EPTProfessionalism: Mostly An Illusion - Page 12
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On November 12 2010 02:57 BroOd wrote: ![[image loading]](http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/1008/mlb_g_rays2_sw_580.jpg) I'm sure ESPN was absolutely appalled. Any company that would make investment decisions off of something like this would have to be run by complete clowns. It isn't fair, nor does it make sense to compare sc2 to a sport which has years of foundation. Also, where is the beerpong and underage drinking in that photo? | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
They drank a couple bud lights in front of the camera, since when was that out of the norm on Wheats shows? Niceguyed was drinking irish whiskey in front of the camera like 4 weeks ago on epileptic gaming, nobody gave him shit for that. I just don't know how to express this but, you're saying you're 26 years old and you're not offended, but you can understnad people who are...., but of cousre we all understand how they can be offended, some people get offended at the smallest fucking things (state of the game thread, gogo). That doesn't mean its reasonable nor should you support more angst against wheat and LO3 for doing something that was generally received as a positive show. I modded something along the lines of 2500 people at 1 AM for that show, and the chat was blowing the fuck up laughing and having a good time watching the show, where were all the haters of the show then? Its pretty evident that they are NOT the majority here, yet the more you guys inflate it, the more you take away from the actual, silent majority. Grow up | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
Also, where is the beerpong and underage drinking in that photo? 1) Why is beerpong somehow considered "worse" than a group of men spraying each other with alcohol. 2) Where was the underage drinking in the LO3 broadcast? | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:06 Siffer wrote: It isn't fair, nor does it make sense to compare sc2 to a sport which has years of foundation. Also, where is the beerpong and underage drinking in that photo? Don't like thatp icture specifically? How about when a 20 year old on the team makes the playoffs and is allowed to celebrate int he locker room? How about after the Canadian women's hockey team won the gold medal at the olympics, and the 17 year old player went in front of the camera with a fucking corona light, on international TV with hundreds of millions of not BILLIONS of people watching. As far as I know, they didn't show anybody drinking underage on the stream, it was implied but they didn't show it, after all there was only one person in mind that was under 21. But since when was it blasphemy for a 20 year old, college-age kid to drink. Unless you don't go to TL meetups or have never been to a party in your lifetime, which makes me think that all these people blowing up are either 16 years old and trying to start a shit storm, or something else similar... | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
I was posting on the livestream chat the entire time, not one person wasn't enjoying themselves. Half the time we were spamming Scoots for requests which he did. It was awesome, we like to see our nerds getting a little ripped and having a good time. @Siffer Oh, now you actually write something worthy instead of blindly attacking LO3. Solid choice of words. @Siffer #2 - If I really wanted to have you warned, I wouldn't have mocked/attacked you in my post, rather I would be sincerely angry by your attacks on the LO3 broadcast which are unwarranted, and unproven in a serious tone. Perhaps a Mod would take my post a touch more seriously then, but if they did warn you it would be a good example, encouraging the people who are actually offended to post meaningful arguments instead of encouraging people to blindly attack the show, like you just did. That doesn't get us anywhere, it only serves to spam Wheat's thread which he obviously took time out of his day to address people. | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:09 ZlaSHeR wrote: I don't get why that should be separated from any other LO3 episode...it was Slasher Scoots and Wheat in front of a camera, having guests come on, talking about esports, specifically the major event tha tjust finished, as well as touching upon SCR, which was an epic epic event in itself. They drank a couple bud lights in front of the camera, since when was that out of the norm on Wheats shows? Niceguyed was drinking irish whiskey in front of the camera like 4 weeks ago on epileptic gaming, nobody gave him shit for that. I just don't know how to express this but, you're saying you're 26 years old and you're not offended, but you can understnad people who are...., but of cousre we all understand how they can be offended, some people get offended at the smallest fucking things (state of the game thread, gogo). That doesn't mean its reasonable nor should you support more angst against wheat and LO3 for doing something that was generally received as a positive show. I modded something along the lines of 2500 people at 1 AM for that show, and the chat was blowing the fuck up laughing and having a good time watching the show, where were all the haters of the show then? Its pretty evident that they are NOT the majority here, yet the more you guys inflate it, the more you take away from the actual, silent majority. Grow up I am not defending the angsty spergs who are crying about the drinking and naughty words. I just think the venue and atmosphere was a poor choice when it comes to representing the community. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:13 ZlaSHeR wrote: Don't like thatp icture specifically? How about when a 20 year old on the team makes the playoffs and is allowed to celebrate int he locker room? How about after the Canadian women's hockey team won the gold medal at the olympics, and the 17 year old player went in front of the camera with a fucking corona light, on international TV with hundreds of millions of not BILLIONS of people watching. As far as I know, they didn't show anybody drinking underage on the stream, it was implied but they didn't show it, after all there was only one person in mind that was under 21. But since when was it blasphemy for a 20 year old, college-age kid to drink. Unless you don't go to TL meetups or have never been to a party in your lifetime, which makes me think that all these people blowing up are either 16 years old and trying to start a shit storm, or something else similar... just a few clarifications there was a HUGE uproar about the canadian women's hockey team, and they did show underage drinking on the cam, but it was just briefly and not sustained at all | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
What in gods name are you arguing? No point you've made has been slightly legitimate yet. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:17 Antoine wrote: just a few clarifications there was a HUGE uproar about the canadian women's hockey team, and they did show underage drinking on the cam, but it was just briefly and not sustained at all HEYOOOO, MAZELTOV! that news lasted all of 6 fucking hours til ESPN decided there was SHIT THAT WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A TEENAGER HAVING A BEER CELEBRATING AFTER A BIG EVENT. hmm, sound familiar? Look man, I go to college, thousands of people on TL have or are or will. Believe it or not *whispers* people drink before 21 *GASP* | ||
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Grond
599 Posts
On November 12 2010 02:44 djWHEAT wrote: I wish people would have at least WATCHED the program before making horribly incorrect statements about it. Why the hell do people that didn't even watch the show to post in this thread? If you feel compelled to post here at least have the decency to go watch the show. | ||
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slowzerg
United States62 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:06 Siffer wrote: Also, where is the beerpong and underage drinking in that photo? Screencaps or it didn't happen. I watched live and saw no underage drinking and no beer pong (although beer pong was referenced in conversation - which is hardly offensive.) Edit: Guess you're just a troll who didn't even watch the program. | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:14 Slardarxt wrote: Stop feeding the trolls. I would warn Siffer right here and now if I was an admin. Look at this tool trying to make an argument or put LO3 in a bad light with absolutely 0 evidence. Look I can do it too, it's easy. "But seriously, I heard a guy got punched to a critical state in the back which wasn't shown? Unacceptable really everyone on LO3 should be arrested for incompetence." I was posting on the livestream chat the entire time, not one person wasn't enjoying themselves. Half the time we were spamming Scoots for requests which he did. It was awesome, we like to see our nerds getting a little ripped and having a good time. @Siffer Oh, now you actually write something worthy instead of blindly attacking LO3. Solid choice of words. Backseat modding is pretty cool, dood. I am pretty sure I am being extremely objective in my arguments. I am not attacking any personalities and have praised wheat for his hardwork and dedication in the esports scene. ALL I am saying is that I think when it comes to representing what starcraft is about, the venue and atmosphere was a poor choice. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Have you never been to a big LAN or event? Because it seems like you haven't, and if you haven't then how would you know what the representation of one should bel ike. | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:06 Siffer wrote: It isn't fair, nor does it make sense to compare sc2 to a sport which has years of foundation. Also, where is the beerpong and underage drinking in that photo? I'm not comparing the two games. I'm comparing the attitudes of the competitors with respect to how they are perceived and consumed by the public, which most certainly is fair and makes plenty of sense. I'm a bit put off by your implication that LO3 was broadcasting underage drinking, which is absolutely not true. | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:28 slowzerg wrote: Screencaps or it didn't happen. I watched live and saw no underage drinking and no beer pong (although beer pong was referenced in conversation - which is hardly offensive.) Edit: Guess you're just a troll who didn't even watch the program. Venue and atmosphere i didn't agree with. You are arguing with someone who went to a top party school in Michigan. I am not against underage drinking or beer pong, why is it so hard to get through your head? To my knowledge, the person who supplied the rooom + alcohol was 20 years old. Do I have a personal vendetta against him because of this? No. Party on! As I said before, I *wish* I was at the party. Looked like a real good time. ALL I am saying is that there could have better options for the actual location of the broadcast. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:32 Siffer wrote: Backseat modding is pretty cool, dood. I am pretty sure I am being extremely objective in my arguments. I am not attacking any personalities and have praised wheat for his hardwork and dedication in the esports scene. ALL I am saying is that I think when it comes to representing what starcraft is about, the venue and atmosphere was a poor choice. Starcraft is "about" many things to many people, and to suggest that every live broadcast needs to be wholly representative of all those things is ridiculous. For some people, Starcraft is just about the community experience and having fun (myself included) and this broadcast encapsulated that perfectly. | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:35 BroOd wrote: I'm not comparing the two games. I'm comparing the attitudes of the competitors with respect to how they are perceived and consumed by the public, which most certainly is fair and makes plenty of sense. I'm a bit put off by your implication that LO3 was broadcasting underage drinking, which is absolutely not true. I admit, there was no explicit underage drinking on camera. Maybe I overstepped there; however, given the demographic of the attendants, it isnt hard to come to the conclusion that there was underage drinking on the premise. Again, I am not trying to hate on wheat, live on 3, or anyone on a personal level. ALL I am saying is that the venue and atmosphere doesn't do a good job of accurately representing of how the community and personalities typically carry themselves. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:36 Siffer wrote: Venue and atmosphere i didn't agree with. You are arguing with someone who went to a top party school in Michigan. I am not against underage drinking or beer pong, why is it so hard to get through your head? To my knowledge, the person who supplied the rooom + alcohol was 20 years old. Do I have a personal vendetta against him because of this? No. Party on! As I said before, I *wish* I was at the party. Looked like a real good time. ALL I am saying is that there could have better options for the actual location of the broadcast. I don't ever recall Lazarus saying the beer was on him. I do recall him saying "enjoy the room" to everyone though, which does not imply that he bought or even paid for the alcohol. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. | ||
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