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On November 12 2010 02:57 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 02:15 Siffer wrote:
However, like I said, I am surprised that wheat decided to air an "official" Live on Three at a party. He, more than anyone else, should know that potential sponsors and interest groups will look at a community before dumping money into it. It isnt that *I* was appalled at the setting, I just know that if a company like ESPN looked at live on three as a source for community maturity and professionalism, that broadcast would reflect poorly not on the live on three cast, but the starcraft 2 community. If a potential investor saw the Lo3 MLG episode without having previous knowledge of wheat, scoots, and slasher, it would be a terrible first impression based on the environment alone.
![[image loading]](http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/1008/mlb_g_rays2_sw_580.jpg) I'm sure ESPN was absolutely appalled. Any company that would make investment decisions off of something like this would have to be run by complete clowns.
Bad example. I wouldn't want to watch three hours of this either. It would be like Girls Gone Wild without the girls.
I don't follow DJ Wheat's show regularly. I'm new to the scene, and follow SOTG, Day9 Daily and GSL religiously. That's already a lot of time out of the week.
I watched the show in it's entirely, mostly for the guests. I thought the guests came off really well.
In terms of the format ... I don't know if it made the best first impression Live on Three could have made on first-time viewers. It was a little to chaotic at points, and there were moments were I thought you, Slasher and Scoots would have benefited from being a bit more ... gracious.
For example, Rule Number 1 of a good party host/guest should be to not call another random guest a peice of shit so loudly that it kills the buzz of the party. It's better to pull that dude aside and say, "Listen, do you mind dude? We're in the middle of something."
I can pick on a bunch of other little things, but that's not the point. I understand and agree with your argument that videogames SHOULD straddle the line of "professionalism", and in this situation it wasn't warranted. I think the after-party format has potential. But there's room for improvement, even if it's just a matter of figuring out, "How lax is too lax?"
Basically, the format is designed to show players "as they really are", and if someone acts like a dick or a jackass, even inadvertently, well ...
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On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show.
And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well.
I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand.
All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion.
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Good thing SC2 is so open for outsiders. Atleast, it is in my opinion. Good post and let's hope elitism will not prevail on TL ("04 user > 09 user", etc.)
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On November 12 2010 03:54 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 02:57 BroOd wrote:On November 12 2010 02:15 Siffer wrote:
However, like I said, I am surprised that wheat decided to air an "official" Live on Three at a party. He, more than anyone else, should know that potential sponsors and interest groups will look at a community before dumping money into it. It isnt that *I* was appalled at the setting, I just know that if a company like ESPN looked at live on three as a source for community maturity and professionalism, that broadcast would reflect poorly not on the live on three cast, but the starcraft 2 community. If a potential investor saw the Lo3 MLG episode without having previous knowledge of wheat, scoots, and slasher, it would be a terrible first impression based on the environment alone.
I'm sure ESPN was absolutely appalled. Any company that would make investment decisions off of something like this would have to be run by complete clowns. Bad example. I wouldn't want to watch three hours of this either. It would be like Girls Gone Wild without the girls.
Well, you've completely misinterpreted why I posted that picture. It was to refute the notion that ESPN would be automatically put off by a situation where competitors are relaxing, celebrating and consuming alcohol, not to suggest that it would be appropriate to have an entire show dedicated to gamers drinking and going crazy.
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On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion.
I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose.
The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining.
If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast?
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On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion. I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose. Show nested quote +The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast?
Well to me, it wasn't a LO3 broadcast, but an opportunity for the LO3 guys to pick up regular viewers of other shows: MLG, State of the Game, etc. Just in terms of a business strategy to boost their audience, it just seemed like a bit of a missed opportunity, especially with access to amazing guests.
Maybe they should do a short, "real" LO3 for half-an-hour after MLG, than go into after party mode. Best of both worlds.
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On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast?
Because when I tune in on a normal Sunday, it isnt in an extremely loud environment with camera pans showing a bunch of people drinking and playing beer pong.
That is it. The venue and atmosphere just didn't fit a typical Lo3 setup and I just think it gives a poor representation of what wheat does on a weekly basis.
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On November 12 2010 04:14 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion. I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose. The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast? Well to me, it wasn't a LO3 broadcast, but an opportunity for the LO3 guys to pick up regular viewers of other shows: MLG, State of the Game, etc. Just in terms of a business strategy to boost their audience, it just seemed like a bit of a missed opportunity, especially with access to amazing guests. Maybe they should do a short, "real" LO3 for half-an-hour after MLG, than go into after party mode. Best of both worlds.
If you think that's what that was about then you don't know Wheat at all. I 100% guarantee the conversation that spawned that show went something like this:
Wheat: We should do a LO3 after MLG when everyone is hanging out and we can get like everyone on the show at once. How badass would that be?
Slasher: Yea dude that'll be awesome!
Scoots: We need pizza for this to work..
Wheat: Let's do it, it'll be a lot of fun!!!"
Note the bolded word there. I know these guys well enough to know they did it for the fun factor and nothing else. If they cared about ratings they would have just created another show on Ustream under Wheat's main channel regardless what when Wheat's stream was having issues, and would not have used Cat In a Box.....
Seriously this was on channel Cat In a Box, I know I keep coming back to this but there is no universe out there that you can join on and notice it's called Cat in a Box and go to yourself "oh, this must be the MLG off hours channel, makes sense."
Now if you were an animal lover that only turned on the channel full expecting a cat in a box you may very well have a legitimate bitch....
On November 12 2010 04:18 Siffer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast? Because when I tune in on a normal Sunday, it isnt in an extremely loud environment with camera pans showing a bunch of people drinking and playing beer pong. That is it. The venue and atmosphere just didn't fit a typical Lo3 setup and I just think it gives a poor representation of what wheat does on a weekly basis.
When you tune into LO3 on Sunday's, you tune in at 11PM EST and right after the MLG Championships on channel Cat in a Box? The fact that is was at a time that did not even make sense for the show's name, after the championships, and on a channel that you 100% have never ever watched LO3 on EVER before that should have all been strong clues that this show may be slightly different then normal.
I think it only strengthens it. To me this is no different then having reporters in the locker rooms after sports games championships interviewing the players as they drink and party their asses off. It's just the E-Sports industry receives so little attention Wheat is one of the first guys to do this in SCII. The nice thing about E-Sports is instead of only showing the winners partying and the losers being all sad, you see EVERYONE hanging out having a good time. That spoke volumes to me right there to show where the overall level of respect in the SCII community is.
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On November 12 2010 02:36 djWHEAT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 23:34 Klamity wrote:
The most disturbing part about all of this is that people find watching a bunch of nerds getting drunk interesting. Seems to me like people enjoy it because it gives them a chance to live vicariously through your show, which more or less was the ultimate fantasy for a lot of gamers/nerds. To each his own I suppose.
Dismissing the OP's letter as a bunch of crap doesn't seem like the correct approach to me. He made a calm, collective argument and whether you agreed with it or not, it wasn't something you can shoot down claiming it was wrong. You're so worried about the community and audience, but you seem to be neglecting the fact that he was part of that audience as well. The 24 pages of flame buried the fact that he actually liked 98% of your show.
Some people are saying, "well don't tune in if you don't like it." Unfortunately, the majority of us are not mind-readers and cannot predict everything that will happen next. The idea was excellent - providing a glimpse into a post-tournament setting for "professional" players. You can hardly blame anyone for tuning in, but at that point, perhaps you should consider your audience isn't composed entirely of mindless idiots.
Il like your casting and the work you've done, but this is unbelievably close-minded. If you think the show was "a bunch of nerds getting drunk" then you A. didn't watch it, and B. are making a gross assumption about the entire content. That's far more closed minded than my own arguments. In fact, I didn't even bring up the OP of the closed thread. I simply stated my own feelings on the matter. I never said someone was WRONG, or what he said was WRONG. I didn't attack a single person or poster, yet you're doing it to me. How am I being closed-minded but you are not?
I apologize. It was more of the latter in that it was a gross over-generalization.
And perhaps the second part of your post comes down to a misunderstanding. It seems to me like you're more or less saying you don't care about criticism of the show and are going to continue doing whatever the hell you feel like doing.
Regardless, my main point is that you seem to neglect the fact that the people who the cast were also viewers. I'm disappointed that you don't seem to be taking their words or worries seriously. Criticism isn't meant to be insulting to you, it's meant to help.
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On November 12 2010 04:40 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:14 Defacer wrote:On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion. I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose. The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast? Well to me, it wasn't a LO3 broadcast, but an opportunity for the LO3 guys to pick up regular viewers of other shows: MLG, State of the Game, etc. Just in terms of a business strategy to boost their audience, it just seemed like a bit of a missed opportunity, especially with access to amazing guests. Maybe they should do a short, "real" LO3 for half-an-hour after MLG, than go into after party mode. Best of both worlds. If you think that's what that was about then you don't know Wheat at all. I 100% guarantee the conversation that spawned that show went something like this: Wheat: We should do a LO3 after MLG when everyone is hanging out and we can get like everyone on the show at once. How badass would that be? Slasher: Yea dude that'll be awesome! Scoots: We need pizza for this to work.. Wheat: Let's do it, it'll be a lot of fun!!!" Note the bolded word there. I know these guys well enough to know they did it for the fun factor and nothing else. If they cared about ratings they would have just created another show on Ustream under Wheat's main channel regardless what when Wheat's stream was having issues, and would not have used Cat In a Box..... Seriously this was on channel Cat In a Box, I know I keep coming back to this but there is no universe out there that you can join on and notice it's called Cat in a Box and go to yourself "oh, this must be the MLG off hours channel, makes sense." Now if you were an animal lover that only turned on the channel full expecting a cat in a box you may very well have a legitimate bitch....
What exactly am I bitching about? I'm making a suggestion. He can take it or leave it. You make it sound like I want to suck the fun out of his life.
Sheesh.
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On November 12 2010 04:50 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:40 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On November 12 2010 04:14 Defacer wrote:On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion. I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose. The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast? Well to me, it wasn't a LO3 broadcast, but an opportunity for the LO3 guys to pick up regular viewers of other shows: MLG, State of the Game, etc. Just in terms of a business strategy to boost their audience, it just seemed like a bit of a missed opportunity, especially with access to amazing guests. Maybe they should do a short, "real" LO3 for half-an-hour after MLG, than go into after party mode. Best of both worlds. If you think that's what that was about then you don't know Wheat at all. I 100% guarantee the conversation that spawned that show went something like this: Wheat: We should do a LO3 after MLG when everyone is hanging out and we can get like everyone on the show at once. How badass would that be? Slasher: Yea dude that'll be awesome! Scoots: We need pizza for this to work.. Wheat: Let's do it, it'll be a lot of fun!!!" Note the bolded word there. I know these guys well enough to know they did it for the fun factor and nothing else. If they cared about ratings they would have just created another show on Ustream under Wheat's main channel regardless what when Wheat's stream was having issues, and would not have used Cat In a Box..... Seriously this was on channel Cat In a Box, I know I keep coming back to this but there is no universe out there that you can join on and notice it's called Cat in a Box and go to yourself "oh, this must be the MLG off hours channel, makes sense." Now if you were an animal lover that only turned on the channel full expecting a cat in a box you may very well have a legitimate bitch.... What exactly am I bitching about? I'm making a suggestion. He can take it or leave it.
I am sorry I misread your previous post, I thought you were saying Wheat did it to try and get ratings, not that he missed out. To which I disagree, I have a feeling he gained A LOT more fans then he lost that night.
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On November 12 2010 04:43 Klamity wrote:
I apologize. It was more of the latter in that it was a gross over-generalization.
And perhaps the second part of your post comes down to a misunderstanding. It seems to me like you're more or less saying you don't care about criticism of the show and are going to continue doing whatever the hell you feel like doing.
Regardless, my main point is that you seem to neglect the fact that the people who the cast were also viewers. I'm disappointed that you don't seem to be taking their words or worries seriously. Criticism isn't meant to be insulting to you, it's meant to help.
I never once said I don't care about criticism of the show... if I really didn't care, I probably wouldn't have even bothered to post my thoughts on the situation. I take viewer criticism very seriously and while we don't try to cater to every single request, complaint, etc. I'd rather know and understand every view and angle from the audience/community.
Maybe the point I should have made is... this isn't much different that what I've been doing for the past 8 years with these shows. And that hasn't "prevented" me, the communities I'm involved in, or my co-hosts from having a successful career in video gaming.
My only complaint about the criticism is from those who didn't even watch the show, and so they just made assumptions about the content without actually seeing what it contained (or they took someone else's assumptions and ran with it...). Everyone who watched it all learned a great deal about the players/staff/personalities interviewed, yet some made it sound like we were bringing Ret on and asking him what his favorite sexual position was. That was simply NOT the case.
I completely stand by the content we created that night. If people didn't like the venue or felt the environment wasn't acceptable for that show, there's not much I CAN do about that.
But I certainly don't dismiss the intelligent criticism we get about the shows and the content we create... sometimes I just don't agree with it.
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On November 12 2010 04:54 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:50 Defacer wrote:On November 12 2010 04:40 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On November 12 2010 04:14 Defacer wrote:On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion. I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose. The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast? Well to me, it wasn't a LO3 broadcast, but an opportunity for the LO3 guys to pick up regular viewers of other shows: MLG, State of the Game, etc. Just in terms of a business strategy to boost their audience, it just seemed like a bit of a missed opportunity, especially with access to amazing guests. Maybe they should do a short, "real" LO3 for half-an-hour after MLG, than go into after party mode. Best of both worlds. If you think that's what that was about then you don't know Wheat at all. I 100% guarantee the conversation that spawned that show went something like this: Wheat: We should do a LO3 after MLG when everyone is hanging out and we can get like everyone on the show at once. How badass would that be? Slasher: Yea dude that'll be awesome! Scoots: We need pizza for this to work.. Wheat: Let's do it, it'll be a lot of fun!!!" Note the bolded word there. I know these guys well enough to know they did it for the fun factor and nothing else. If they cared about ratings they would have just created another show on Ustream under Wheat's main channel regardless what when Wheat's stream was having issues, and would not have used Cat In a Box..... Seriously this was on channel Cat In a Box, I know I keep coming back to this but there is no universe out there that you can join on and notice it's called Cat in a Box and go to yourself "oh, this must be the MLG off hours channel, makes sense." Now if you were an animal lover that only turned on the channel full expecting a cat in a box you may very well have a legitimate bitch.... What exactly am I bitching about? I'm making a suggestion. He can take it or leave it. I am sorry I misread your previous post, I thought you were saying Wheat did it to try and get ratings, not that he missed out. To which I disagree, I have a feeling he gained A LOT more fans then he lost that night.
Appreciated.
I credit the cast for making me a bigger fan of the PLAYERS, like Nony and PainUser. LO3 ... not so much.
To be frank, I found Slasher annoying. There you go. I said it. Wheat seems perfectly fine though.
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On November 12 2010 05:02 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:54 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On November 12 2010 04:50 Defacer wrote:On November 12 2010 04:40 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On November 12 2010 04:14 Defacer wrote:On November 12 2010 04:02 BroOd wrote:On November 12 2010 03:56 Siffer wrote:On November 12 2010 03:43 ZlaSHeR wrote:Like we've said several times who gives a shit if there was drinking, it was a party, that happens, they weren't broadcasting this under the FCC or under federal control, it was just a show. And as I have stated, it was a great, entertaining stream. However, I feel *in my opinion* having it stamped as a live on 3 show just doesn't fit well. I went to three CPL events. Each time, we(the players) had outrageous after parties. I am not against having fun. Hell, I encourage it. I *WISH* I was at MLG to experience it first hand. All I ask is that people quit bringing strawman into the discussion. I think the problem is that your interpretation of what LO3 is supposed to be is at odds with it's actual purpose. The reason I do things like the LO3 Post-MLG Show, [...] is cause I'm a nerd just like you guys. That's my outlet. That's where I get to yell and bitch about this horrible game I played, vent about a developer who I think has screwed us over, argue the finer points of micro-transactions, etc. My outlet also happens to best convey my own personality which is loud, a little obnoxious, and (hopefully) entertaining. If that's what wheat envisions for the show, how was this broadcast inappropriately stamped as a LO3 broadcast? Well to me, it wasn't a LO3 broadcast, but an opportunity for the LO3 guys to pick up regular viewers of other shows: MLG, State of the Game, etc. Just in terms of a business strategy to boost their audience, it just seemed like a bit of a missed opportunity, especially with access to amazing guests. Maybe they should do a short, "real" LO3 for half-an-hour after MLG, than go into after party mode. Best of both worlds. If you think that's what that was about then you don't know Wheat at all. I 100% guarantee the conversation that spawned that show went something like this: Wheat: We should do a LO3 after MLG when everyone is hanging out and we can get like everyone on the show at once. How badass would that be? Slasher: Yea dude that'll be awesome! Scoots: We need pizza for this to work.. Wheat: Let's do it, it'll be a lot of fun!!!" Note the bolded word there. I know these guys well enough to know they did it for the fun factor and nothing else. If they cared about ratings they would have just created another show on Ustream under Wheat's main channel regardless what when Wheat's stream was having issues, and would not have used Cat In a Box..... Seriously this was on channel Cat In a Box, I know I keep coming back to this but there is no universe out there that you can join on and notice it's called Cat in a Box and go to yourself "oh, this must be the MLG off hours channel, makes sense." Now if you were an animal lover that only turned on the channel full expecting a cat in a box you may very well have a legitimate bitch.... What exactly am I bitching about? I'm making a suggestion. He can take it or leave it. I am sorry I misread your previous post, I thought you were saying Wheat did it to try and get ratings, not that he missed out. To which I disagree, I have a feeling he gained A LOT more fans then he lost that night. Appreciated. I credit the cast for making me a bigger fan of the PLAYERS, like Nony and PainUser. LO3 ... not so much. To be frank, I found Slasher annoying. There you go. I said it. Wheat seems perfectly fine though.
I think that's one of the major benefits. Many of these players are just screename's and a race without things like these. Before the IEM's and MLG's I knew most of these players only by their b.net avatars  ....
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Is Weapon of Choice DJ Wheat's own show? I might follow that.
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On November 12 2010 05:09 Defacer wrote:
Is Weapon of Choice DJ Wheat's own show? I might follow that.
He casts that with Chill.
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I just wanted to make a quick point about the "venue".
Have you ever tried to herd cats? I'd imagine it would be really difficult. Let's pretend for a minute that StarCraft 2 players are a bit like cats. Difficult to herd. It's hard enough to schedule ONE player for an interview after the event let alone 10-12 players.
nLazerus offered to let us use his room as the place to record BECAUSE everyone was going to be there already, and from a production standpoint, that seemed to be the easiest way to actually accomplish what we wanted to accomplish... which was to pack as many guests into the show as humanly possible.
TRUST ME, if I could do it over again, I would definitely change a few things. For example, we were literally right in the middle of the "party". If I could do it over again, I would have moved the setup to a bit quieter of a location, but it would have still been within the party. Because the broadcast was there, with all the guests, it made it incredibly easy to bring them on and I wouldn't want to lose that ability.
When I look at the show from a production perspective there's no way that show could have been done WITHOUT being at that gathering of gamers. You can read that as an excuse all you want, but most people don't consider the production side of this show. It's not as easy as setting up some equipment and magically everything happening. In fact, it took us 2 hours just to get everything ready for the show... and that was after a grueling 12 hour day of Finals.
Regardless, I understand why some believe the venue wasn't the best. And that's fine. I get it. However, I don't agree that it reflected poorly on LO3. I think LO3 has proven in the past that our aim isn't to have the most amazing sets or production... our aim is to bring as much of esports as we can to the masses... and this presented a great opportunity to do just that. Where there is eSports, LO3 will follow. And if that happens to be in a hotel room with nearly every top gamer from the MLG Dallas tournament... then so be it.
tl;dr - I accept that some people didn't think the venue was a good choice, but at the end of the day, the show wouldn't have been possible without a post-event party in which all the top gamers were attending. Also if I could do it over again I wouldn't change the "venue" but I would try to find a quieter location within said venue for the show.
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On November 12 2010 05:02 Defacer wrote:
To be frank, I found Slasher annoying. There you go. I said it. Wheat seems perfectly fine though.
Many people have this same first impression of Slasher. But in his defense, he is one of the most passionate people in eSports as far as I'm concerned.
There's not another person on this planet that knows as much as this guy knows about nearly every single community in gaming. Whether Quake, StarCraft, WoW, Counter-Strike, Street Fighter... he may come off as brash and rude, but his dedication is unmatched.
He doesn't pit communities against one another, he doesn't try to claim one community is better than another... he just wants to see eSports grow, and he has his own way of doing it. I think he gets a bit of hate from this particular community because he's not as intimate with the members as others are. But people should at least give him the benefit of the doubt, because he's done nothing but help promote the community to OTHER communities.
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On November 12 2010 05:11 djWHEAT wrote:
I just wanted to make a quick point about the "venue".
Have you ever tried to herd cats? I'd imagine it would be really difficult. Let's pretend for a minute that StarCraft 2 players are a bit like cats. Difficult to herd. It's hard enough to schedule ONE player for an interview after the event let alone 10-12 players.
nLazerus offered to let us use his room as the place to record BECAUSE everyone was going to be there already, and from a production standpoint, that seemed to be the easiest way to actually accomplish what we wanted to accomplish... which was to pack as many guests into the show as humanly possible.
TRUST ME, if I could do it over again, I would definitely change a few things. For example, we were literally right in the middle of the "party". If I could do it over again, I would have moved the setup to a bit quieter of a location, but it would have still been within the party. Because the broadcast was there, with all the guests, it made it incredibly easy to bring them on and I wouldn't want to lose that ability.
When I look at the show from a production perspective there's no way that show could have been done WITHOUT being at that gathering of gamers. You can read that as an excuse all you want, but most people don't consider the production side of this show. It's not as easy as setting up some equipment and magically everything happening. In fact, it took us 2 hours just to get everything ready for the show... and that was after a grueling 12 hour day of Finals.
Regardless, I understand why some believe the venue wasn't the best. And that's fine. I get it. However, I don't agree that it reflected poorly on LO3. I think LO3 has proven in the past that our aim isn't to have the most amazing sets or production... our aim is to bring as much of esports as we can to the masses... and this presented a great opportunity to do just that. Where there is eSports, LO3 will follow. And if that happens to be in a hotel room with nearly every top gamer from the MLG Dallas tournament... then so be it.
tl;dr - I accept that some people didn't think the venue was a good choice, but at the end of the day, the show wouldn't have been possible without a post-event party in which all the top gamers were attending. Also if I could do it over again I wouldn't change the "venue" but I would try to find a quieter location within said venue for the show.
Question for you sir: was the MLG LO3 indicative of regular LO3? If I enjoy Day 9 and SOTG, which one of the billions of shows that you're on should I give a chance?
And yes, I give you and JP credit for even getting people to show up. Kudos.
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On November 12 2010 05:17 djWHEAT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 05:02 Defacer wrote:
To be frank, I found Slasher annoying. There you go. I said it. Wheat seems perfectly fine though. Many people have this same first impression of Slasher. But in his defense, he is one of the most passionate people in eSports as far as I'm concerned. There's not another person on this planet that knows as much as this guy knows about nearly every single community in gaming. Whether Quake, StarCraft, WoW, Counter-Strike, Street Fighter... he may come off as brash and rude, but his dedication is unmatched. He doesn't pit communities against one another, he doesn't try to claim one community is better than another... he just wants to see eSports grow, and he has his own way of doing it. I think he gets a bit of hate from this particular community because he's not as intimate with the members as others are. But people should at least give him the benefit of the doubt, because he's done nothing but help promote the community to OTHER communities.
Dude's just got to simmer down a bit. I'm sure he's a great guy, but you know how you'll go to a party and there's a guy that almost comes on too strong and doesn't know when to back off?
Just relax. Be Nony. Chill.
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