I want to apologize for my rude posts yesterday. I let my frustration with other people at work out on you folks, which was neither nice nor acceptable. I still do not agree with djWheats mindset, but after sleeping a night and calming down i see that i let my bad mood take control.
Ofc i consider everyone to be human (though some people i don't consider to be wise, but well, i still have to work with them every day).
Apologies to djWheat and any other person i might have offended.
At the poster above (who was not the motivation for the post btw): I'm not a "porn pusher", i work for one of the two major adult companies in germany, which means i have a thick hide regarding vulgar language, porn, strippers, etc, but there are still some things i can't accept... like strippers at SC2 tournaments.
Still not quite sure why you felt the need to post on the topic or Incontrol felt the need to sermonize once again to those unwashed masses of the internet.
Personally, I thought it was fun to see people in a chill, relaxed, post gaming environment. It was a privledge to see the progamer after party. You deigned to take time out of your deserved chill time to put on a production for us. I and it seems many others appreciate this.
Post like these and the mini rant on SOTG just seem to be making something out of nothing.
What people need to understand is that shows like LO3, Weapon of Choice, Day [9], JP and even the oft maligned HDStarcraft and Husky provide a huge service to the community. Attacking them is bad for the game. I have been in a similar situation and when you are attacked you are not in a good position to defend yourself, your motives or your goals even if it's purely for the benefit of others. SC2 is still in a make or break phase. We should be doing what we can to help, especially regarding those in a position to make a big difference. That doesn't mean you have to be a sycophant, I'm sure constructive criticism is welcome but try and keep it positive.
On November 12 2010 15:55 Sabu113 wrote: Post like these and the mini rant on SOTG just seem to be making something out of nothing.
And you may be right, but I did state in the original thread that I wanted to share my perspective. That thread was closed, and I didn't want to open another one, so I just posted a blog. I didn't realize it would get the feedback it did. Either way, I"m just happy to have gone on record.
Alright. Perhaps I'm stepping out of line by returning to the issue, if I am, feel free to mod me. I don't have many posts to my name, I realize this.
So I watched the entire show live, and I REwatched the show again just recently. Additionally, I rewatched these alleged "final minutes of DOOM" which seemed to start the bandwagon rolling on calling the show unprofessional, uncalled for, and in several cases, ignorant.
After this, I attempted to read through, as closely as possible, the relevant threads in an attempt to understand the complaints. Unfortunately, I've been unsuccessful in finding a complaint detailing a SPECIFIC instance of unprofessionalism.
Sweeping generalizations about profanity at a party are abound, which is irrelevant because you're watching gamers in their dare I say, "natural" setting.
What I'm not hearing are specifics. I haven't heard: - "He called this person a !@$!" - "At 2:35, Wheat cold-cocked Day9 upside the head with a bottle of 80-proof" - "At the two hour mark, we can clearly see two people dry-humping on the couch" - "Somebody exposed themselves on the stream while simultaneously yelling NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED"
We all know nothing of this caliber happened. If you're going to make an argument, you need specifics.
So now my humble question. Can anyone please point out for me what exactly happened in the aforementioned "final minutes" that was so different from the rest of the stream that set this ball rolling? I'm just trying to understand what SPECIFICALLY people didn't appreciate about it.
Personally I've boiled it down to this 1) Slasher wanted to invite millie on, 2) Time was out, she came and sat next to him, 3) He loudly proclaimed the winner of the SoCal SF tournament. 4) Show ended.
Personally I found the show to be an absolutely exciting and insightful experience. It was great to see the gamers personalities shine through, and they are all extremely mature and intelligent people. Honestly after watching shows like this and listening to SotG, I almost want to become a progamer JUST to experience the sense of community and camaraderie that develops at these tournaments. I enjoyed it.
If anyone thinks the setting was unprofessional, they clearly haven't been to a fraternity, or had noisy meatheaded friends decide to throw an impromptu kegger and invite hookers over. When reading the tone of some of these negative responses, without actually watching the stream, you start to think that actually happened.
It didn't. Day9 had a pizza overdose. It was great. Please keep doing what you do Wheat.
I was just bounced back to this post from millie's MLG recap blog. Every part of the weekend was great to watch on stream, up to AND including your post-MLG show. Hope you something like that again in the future!
I liked the show! It was real, raw and uncut! Interviews with the best players and relaxed talks!
I'm amazed how so much hate, some 20 year old kids, can throw just because they talk like you do!!!!! yes, everybody is pissed because they talked like normal guys (altho a bit nerdy hehe)!
If you take starcraft out of the show and put nba or usa football it would be normal! but since it's drinking, starcraft, noise and nerds it's a scandal!! they even got a girl huhuh
On November 12 2010 12:15 Defacer wrote: I'll probably give Weapon of Choice a shot. I don't have time to follow ANOTHER game. And honestly, SC2 has the best players of any e-sport, I think.
Like Wheat said, and I agree with, you can't go around bashing other communities saying they're worse, or that their players aren't better if you want esports to grow individualistically or as a whole.
I follow every game, but Starcraft 2 the closest, there are differences in communities but you can't label one as better than any other one. To do that would just be blatantly ignorant.
On November 12 2010 12:15 Defacer wrote: I'll probably give Weapon of Choice a shot. I don't have time to follow ANOTHER game. And honestly, SC2 has the best players of any e-sport, I think.
Like Wheat said, and I agree with, you can't go around bashing other communities saying they're worse, or that their players aren't better if you want esports to grow individualistically or as a whole.
I follow every game, but Starcraft 2 the closest, there are differences in communities but you can't label one as better than any other one. To do that would just be blatantly ignorant.
Wasn't meant as a 'bash', more as a compliment to the prominent SC2 players.
You're right, I don't know enough about the other communities. I physically just don't have the time to follow that many sports. Between basketball and SC2 boards, that's enough for me.
I'm sure even a sport like billiards or darts could be interesting (probably not) if you really wanted to get into it.
After this, I attempted to read through, as closely as possible, the relevant threads in an attempt to understand the complaints. Unfortunately, I've been unsuccessful in finding a complaint detailing a SPECIFIC instance of unprofessionalism.
Sweeping generalizations about profanity at a party are abound, which is irrelevant because you're watching gamers in their dare I say, "natural" setting.
What I'm not hearing are specifics. I haven't heard: - "He called this person a !@$!" - "At 2:35, Wheat cold-cocked Day9 upside the head with a bottle of 80-proof" - "At the two hour mark, we can clearly see two people dry-humping on the couch" - "Somebody exposed themselves on the stream while simultaneously yelling NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED"
We all know nothing of this caliber happened. If you're going to make an argument, you need specifics.
So now my humble question. Can anyone please point out for me what exactly happened in the aforementioned "final minutes" that was so different from the rest of the stream that set this ball rolling? I'm just trying to understand what SPECIFICALLY people didn't appreciate about it.
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The end of the show was kind of a blur to me. I recall Slasher trying to pull off some kind of elaborate mass bow-down/cock-sucking joke that fell flat.
Profanity is irrelevant, but what people are actually saying is relevant. It all depends on context and intent. When Day9 calls InControl a piece of shit on SOTG it's obvious that it's just two guys busting each other's balls. When Scoots yells at HD and calls him a piece of shit ... well, that's obviously an instance where one guy got so frustrated that he overreacted and mishandled himself a little bit.
Just because a setting is supposed to be "natural" or "casual" doesn't mean that the show exists in a protective bubble, free of criticism of judgement, or normal social rules don't apply. That's just not the way the world, anywhere, works. I'm sure there's a kindergarten teacher out there somewhere, watching a cute 4-year old kid eat some paste during Creativity-Fun-Happy-Freedom-Time, and thinking to herself, "God, that kid's fucking stupid."
Like I was saying before, this is less about LO3's 'professionalism' -- they work hard and are professional whenever they want to be -- but more a case of them experimenting, and trying to find the balance between how casual they can be before it starts to get in the way of the show.
I did like the fact that I was able to time my smoke-breaks with Wheat's. That's something that all casts should have!
On November 12 2010 12:15 Defacer wrote: I'll probably give Weapon of Choice a shot. I don't have time to follow ANOTHER game. And honestly, SC2 has the best players of any e-sport, I think.
Like Wheat said, and I agree with, you can't go around bashing other communities saying they're worse, or that their players aren't better if you want esports to grow individualistically or as a whole.
I follow every game, but Starcraft 2 the closest, there are differences in communities but you can't label one as better than any other one. To do that would just be blatantly ignorant.
Wasn't meant as a 'bash', more as a compliment to the prominent SC2 players.
You're right, I don't know enough about the other communities. I physically just don't have the time to follow that many sports. Between basketball and SC2 boards, that's enough for me.
I'm sure even a sport like billiards or darts could be interesting (probably not) if you really wanted to get into it.
Replying to your later comment - so you didn't actually watch the end of the show, but you continue to speak on it. Just making sure!
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