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Professionalism: Mostly An Illusion - Page 6
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AJ-
United States316 Posts
that's the reason i didn't follow this cast | ||
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Diggity
United States806 Posts
But for me at least there is a certain line where I defer to professionalism out of respect for the game itself. I don't know where the line of professional vs fake or immature vs pandering is but I think it comes across in the soul of the material almost instantly. I can only hope that viewers resonate to this accordingly. I myself try to cast towards the idealistic image of the player and the crowd, not necessarily the reality of it. Hopefully a degree of professionalism with honesty is communicated as a result. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:22 Clamev wrote: I just really really want to thank you wheat. It´s because of people like you that i love the current E-sports foreigner scene so much. Because it has character there are real fucking people playing this game, expressing they´re emotions, being competitive and celebrate wins and sometimes just the awesomeness of the game itself. I don´t want "professionalism in esport.At least not right know.I mean i really don´t want the players and or casters to be suit wearing puppets speaking the same corporate Bullshit that we hear from "profesional" sports like football(soccer for people who call Handeg football). I want to see that those people that i am watching and rooting for are real people with real emotions and people like you are making it so we can all see that and take part in the experience. And THAT is what keeps most people watching not the game itself(unfortunately) but the personalities and dramas around it.There is a reason why Firebathero is so famous,There is a reason why it was SUCH a huge upset that Bisu raped Savior.(for people who followed sc:bw). In the end what i want to say is, Do i want esports to be bigger and for it to be profitable and socialy acceptable to be a Progamer? Yes. Do i want it to be clean cut Dry washed coorperate bullshit like moste other things are? Fuck NO.So fuck " profesionalism " . And FUCK Yeah DjWheat. I've seen this argument so many times. Being immature is not having personality. Being polite is not having no personality. People are rude and immature and you think that it is called showing emotion. You probably rage after every game and type strings of curses to your opponent, and now you want the pros to be like that too. Why? Because you have a self-serving need to see your own faults mirrored by those you look up to. You don't want the pros to show personality, you want them to show your personality. A large amount of people who play video games project a volatile personality into the game to make up for a deficiency in real life. But not everyone. Btw, firebathero was more infamous than famous for his dance. Also, if you look at his recent interviews, he has matured greatly and seems to see the value in doing so. And yea I enjoyed the show but I feel bad for all of the children who watched because although most teens probably are used to that stuff, there are probably a few young and innocent kids who enjoy playing Starcraft and watching MLG. So maybe some sort of warning to them or their parents would be nice. They'll have their chance to go to frat parties later. | ||
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Rylune
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
There are different formats for different things. Many football play-by-play guys, who rarely give an opinion on broadcast, also have their own radio shows where they tell it how they see it and are very opinionated. They fit the content to the audience. Any person worth their salt in that industry will do the same. They key is knowing when and when not to do this. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:59 Enervate wrote: I've seen this argument so many times. Being immature is not having personality. Being polite is not having no personality. People are rude and immature and you think that it is called showing emotion. You probably rage after every game and type strings of curses to your opponent, and now you want the pros to be like that too. Why? Because you have a self-serving need to see your own faults mirrored by those you look up to. You don't want the pros to show personality, you want them to show your personality. A large amount of people who play video games project a volatile personality into the game to make up for a deficiency in real life. But not everyone. Btw, firebathero was more infamous than famous for his dance. Also, if you look at his recent interviews, he has matured greatly and seems to see the value in doing so. And yea I enjoyed the show but I feel bad for all of the children who watched because although most teens probably are used to that stuff, there are probably a few young and innocent kids who enjoy playing Starcraft and watching MLG. So maybe some sort of warning to them or their parents would be nice. They'll have their chance to go to frat parties later. I would take that argument and ask "Why where the kids parents letting him stay up till 2 am on internet streaming sites?" | ||
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towers
33 Posts
As for the IGN and G4 community bit, that's just nonsense. Both the sites have a community. Maybe you do not agree with it, but to suggest Starcraft has a community because someone can openly be passionate (aka drop swears, get drunk on camera) and the others don't (they don't do said things) is a pretty naive statement. | ||
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HyruleanTubist
United States189 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
On November 11 2010 09:01 towers wrote: I didn't watch the LO3 show because when I loaded it up, it was djwheat and some others getting drunk and frat-boying it up. That's fine, but I would like you to know I quickly turned it off. As someone who regularly watches the usual fair, I was disappointed with that show. As for the IGN and G4 community bit, that's just nonsense. Both the sites have a community. Maybe you do not agree with it, but to suggest Starcraft has a community because someone can openly be passionate (aka drop swears, get drunk on camera) and the others don't (they don't do said things) is a pretty naive statement. The second video is the better one. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On November 11 2010 09:00 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I would take that argument and ask "Why where the kids parents letting him stay up till 2 am on internet streaming sites?" The lack of responsibilities in others doesn't justify our own abandonment of responsibility. And I'm sure kids browse teamliquid and there was a link to the stream at top of the site. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
I don't think they should moderate themselves, but I don't think it's as easy as "flipping a switch" or "straddling a line". No matter how much you don't want it to be the case you will always be the same Wheat or the same SC2 player to people watching, even in your personal time, even in your "non-professional" time. That being said, I agree with you that I don't think we're under that much scrutiny, yet. But we see the press that SC2 is getting already. We want this to be big. If we want it to be as big as Korea someday, that will involve it getting to be under that much scrutiny. To that end, at least we should be careful what we do behind the camera, right? To illustrate my point, I think the "line" might be this. Swearing, f-bombs, trash talk, drinking, that's seemingly fine to me. Seems reasonable. That's normal people being normal. But InControl's joke about dicks and assholes might be closer to the line. Overall I find myself conflicted, because I did not find anything offensive about the show. However, I couldn't help but find some truth to what some of the people in the other thread were saying. I think prominent figures in the community do have some responsibility when they are portrayed in media, even if that is self-produced media. I don't know what that entails, but I think it should be in the conversation. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 11 2010 09:06 Enervate wrote: The lack of responsibilities in others doesn't justify our own abandonment of responsibility. And I'm sure kids browse teamliquid and there was a link to the stream at top of the site. Should the kids also be allowed to watch Cinamax or Showtime at 2AM? You know what happens there? People fuck each other in full nudity. Seriously check it out, it's pretty cool stuff. If this event had ran at 1PM EST, I could see a point but this is much like the issue of no kids being allowed to play violent video games. It should be the parents responsibility to choose what their kids do or don't watch and or play and to know when appropriate times for those activities are. | ||
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Azuremen
United States71 Posts
The after show was the best thing I've seen. And has made it so I'll put some serious effort into getting to the next MLG. Like you said, the less professional aspect, such as State of the Game (which is amazing) really do build the community. We like seeing other people that we relate to, getting pissed off about whatever we get pissed off about, and expressing it. So, keep up the awesome work. | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
As for the debate I'll simply quote the great thinker Prozac "it was no big deal, my dick was out for like two seconds." Now the dick has been put away and it can't hurt you anymore. | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
Totally agree with you. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
I loved that post-game show, wheat. G4 is plastic. | ||
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phantem
United States163 Posts
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Artifice
United States523 Posts
On November 11 2010 09:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Should the kids also be allowed to watch Cinamax or Showtime at 2AM? You know what happens there? People fuck each other in full nudity. Seriously check it out, it's pretty cool stuff. If this event had ran at 1PM EST, I could see a point but this is much like the issue of no kids being allowed to play violent video games. It should be the parents responsibility to choose what their kids do or don't watch and or play and to know when appropriate times for those activities are. To further your point Diamond, I just thought I'd throw in that it was a Sunday night (school night). | ||
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KRaver
Canada1264 Posts
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