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djWHEAT you may be my favorite personality in esports next to Day9 and I toon into his show every night its on so thats saying a lot and I love the way you "straddle" that line, anyone can read a list of facts and opinions but not many can make me actually want to listen to them instead of just read it for myself.
Keep bringing us great info and opinions with a delivery that actually makes me care about more then just the words and I can promise I'll be be a fan for years to come.
And to the people calling them unprofessional, what the hell have you done? I challenge you to do half of what shows like the one spoken about have done for this community and the gaming community as a whole.
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I enjoy the show very much
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Being from the UK, I stayed up until past 6am on a work night just to watch this episode of LO3 and thoroughly enjoyed every moment of it. As Marcus said, there is a place for professionalism and a place for "other" content and I personally really enjoy both. I'm a huge fan of the LO3, EG and WoC crew and my only hope is that they continue to produce this awesome content for the community.
Another point I'd like to bring up, which is probably going to insight some hate form his fans (I'm one too!) is Day9's comments on the whole thing on recent SotG. The LO3 crew, SirScoots especially, downright refused to show the majority of what was going on at the party (for good reason) and it was only down to what appeared to be huge pressure from the stream viewers, that he did a quick 30 second pan of the room late in the cast. This unfortunately caught Sean when he was trying to relax which is what I imagine triggered his, in my opinion, over-the-top negative comments on SotG.
As an additional note: The author of the thread that this is a reply to seemed to be extremely offended by the sexual comments Slasher made in relation to the one female that was in the room at the time. If the author is reading this, please do some research in to who that person was and realise that she get's far worse comments than that on a regular basis from the blog she publishes. Does that make it okay? Probably not, and though I obviously can't speak for her, I don't imagine for a moment she was offended in the slightest and incase you stopped watching, she came and sat next to Slasher at the end of the broadcast.
I personally though InControL's comments were more, um, "interesting"? ;p
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Thumbs up djWheat. I thought Lo3 was great and I hope you do it again. Haters gonna hate.
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oh yeah just remembered, is that content going to be uploaded in vod form eventually?
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i loved the show please dont let anyone tell u otherwise. im sad some people dont understand how to enjoy themselfs and take things for what they are. ITS A DAMN VIDEO GAME THEYRE COVERING!!!! Please continue to give excellent inside of the professional scene. DJ Wheat/DAY9 FTW!!!!!
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DJ Wheat, Keep doing what you're doing. Esports isn't going to grow on professionalism. If it ever gets big it's going to be built on people's enthusiasm and passion for Esports, it's going to be people like you, day9 junkka and everyone else who contributes because they love esports so much.
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great read wheat, although i'm one of those people that just thought the lo3 special was just awesome, i actually didn't think it was this controversial o.o
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Does this mean we can expect the next LO3 to include plenty of hookers and blow?
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djWHEAT is the fucking man.
We've been given a free backstage pass and some people are actually whining about it? Unforgivable.
+ Show Spoiler +language not safe for work
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On November 11 2010 06:52 BroOd wrote: I'm so glad you made this thread, because I also found some of the reactions to the LO3 show troubling. I was only able to catch the last 45 minutes of the broadcast but I found it immensely enjoyable. It was a great way to provide a level of insight and access to the guys that, most of the time, isn't achievable with text interviews, post game interviews or forum posts. I think the format was unrivaled in its ability to generate that "being there" feeling, which was really great for an event which I'm sure so many viewers wish they could have attended. In fact, I can honestly say I'm annoyed I didn't get to see the whole thing.
With regard to the topic of professionalism, and the criticism of of the broadcast as unprofessional, I think most, if not all, of the arguments against this type of broadcast are deeply flawed. The main reason for this is because many people hold an inaccurate view of what professionalism really means. Professionalism isn't a simple set of guidelines that encompasses every job, it's unique to every situation and it's defined by those working in that profession. Professionalism in the board room and professionalism on a talk show are two very different things. While they may share an overlap in similar expectations of decorum and decency, their standards and practices are not necessarily aligned.
I think a lot of posters have conflated this stereotypical, out-of-touch notion of professionalism with real professionalism to produce this idea that, in their head, makes sense but lacks any foundation in the real world. Professionalism isn't about wearing suits, being serious and not swearing. I have two bosses who curse like sailors, but there's nothing about their work ethic or mentality that would have me calling them unprofessional, because they can tailor their standards appropriately to a situation. The same happens everywhere, including on gaming shows.
Comedy Central used to run a show called Insomniac with Dave Attell where they essentially paid Attell, a comedian, to walk around different cities and night and get drunk. In most jobs, getting drunk would be considered unprofessional, but not for Attell, who defined his own standards of professionalism. Did sponsors pull out? Nope. In fact, the show ran for 4 seasons until Attell decided to pull the plug because it was too popular (and lost its crucial spontaneity). Ultimately, professionalism is about how you present a product to an audience while maintaining the integrity of the standards of your industry. Well, lucky for us, we are the audience and we are the industry, and we don't have to conform to some staid interpretation or plain-oatmeal mentality that might govern a Fortune 500 company. Do I think wheat was unprofessional for the LO3 show? Not at all. The fact that he continued to report from the event after his casting duties had ended was, if anything, above and beyond the call of professionalism and helps set a standard that I hope more esports professionals will aspire to.
I very much agree with BroOd's point about professionalism being situational. It is definitely a point that I'm guessing many of the LO3 critics failed to take into account, and being able to recognize and work with situational professionalism and appropriateness is, from my perspective, a sign of true dedication, versatility, and talent. I very much support djWHEAT's comments on this issue, especially as I've considered him a role model/mentor from two years ago when I started out in the eSports scene myself.
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I think it's important to recognize that a major part of the reason djWHEAT can "straddle the line" so effectively is that he has the experience and track record to back it up. In other words, I think this ability in and of itself is situational to djWHEAT and other veterans like Slasher. Those of us who are not as credentialed in the eSports scene would, I think, do well to approach the arena from a more rather than less "professional" (i.e. clean cut, formal as opposed to casual) standpoint as the eSports scene becomes more and more commercialized and developed.
djWHEAT has his own voice and he has stuck by that voice for many years, which is something I and I'm sure many, many other people respect him for. He manages to be "professional" at certain times and "unprofessional" at other times without losing that distinctive voice, which is very difficult to do. So, I think that, generally speaking, unless you have the confidence and experience to know when to be "professional" and when to be "unprofessional," it's better to err on the side of "professional" because it comes off better in most cases. I've been covering this scene on and off for two years and I still get confused sometimes as to when I can be more "unprofessional," which is why I always try to be professional first until I can get a better idea of who or what I'm dealing with. It's a strategy that's done pretty well for me so far in terms of meeting people and finding interesting opportunities.
Relatedly, I think it's important not to equate "unprofessional" with "genuine" or "authentic." For djWHEAT, they may be connected in that he might feel more "himself" when he's kicking back with a beer and calling whoever a douchebag on LO3 than when he has to put on a suit jacket for an official event. Or maybe not, since I think one of djWHEAT's hallmarks is that he finds a way to be genuine no matter the situation. However, there are other people, like myself, who are more comfortable being "professional" (i.e. a little more formal and distant) first before being more casual, but this does not necessarily denote a lack of authenticity. I am still authentic when I say "it's a pleasure to meet you" and "thank you for your time," even if I'm acting "professional." Perhaps this will change in the future, but for now it works the best for me.
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I <3 you, Marcus. Sorry I had to take my dumb tripod away. Forgive me?
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i think your material is great, and your presentation even better. stiff shit doesn't last long in the community consciousness at all - we've seen the rise and fall of various ESPORTS celebs on even these forums based solely on how they resonate with their fellow nerds.
also thx 4 dropping mad knowledge bombs about pee tests at mlg dc lmfao
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Ignore the haters you are still #1 in my book.
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djWheat, I've been a fan since the old TsN days. You continue to be one of the most entertaining and talented persons in casting. Keep up the great work, and I'm excited for the next EG Masters Cup so I can watch you and day[9] again.
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Sounds like its just a bunch of flame-bait posts that you are responding to wheat. Best to ignore that shit and wait for someone to actually make a well thought out and reasonable arguement against the show so you can have a proper discussion.
I'm sure at least one of your detractors had made a good post. I would of liked to see a quote of it so i dont just dismiss them as simply being "haters".
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Loved this show; don't worry about the nay sayers. The lack of 'professionalism' was what made this more exciting to watch.
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Awesome post Wheat. That is all.
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I watched the entire show, it was awesome. Good work Wheat and TEAM!
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I'm really glad you made this post, I think it will definitely make the critics pause and consider the idea of "straddling the line", and why it's important. I wasn't that much a fan of the after show LO3, but that's why i fucking turned it off half-way through, it just wasn't my type of thing, although some of it was quite entertaining. I think a lot of people need to take the whole "don't like it, get out" idea literally. Unless it is somehow affecting you and the community negatively beyond you watching the content, then why are you complaining?
<3 Wheat
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