Professionalism: Mostly An Illusion - Page 3

eakzor

Sweden35 Posts

November 10 2010 22:02 GMT

#41

I think you have to put it into context really, I mean it wasnt like this was a national tv broadcast or anything, this was casted late night on an internet stream which didnt promise it to be anything else than what it reallly was; progaming without the fluff.

I think djwheat did an excellent job during mlg and that the lo3 show didnt disappoint in anyway either, rather I look forward to more of said 'behind-the-scences' content - maybe not on TV but on the internetz - where it'll work just great.

Thank you for supporting esports and keep up the good work djwheat & crew.

Quetz

United Kingdom28 Posts

November 10 2010 22:03 GMT

#42

Honestly, I don't think the vast majority of your viewers would have you any other way. It certainly seems to me that the players also appreciate the flip side of the professional coin and queue up to be interviewed...certainly seemed that way at that broadcast anyway (I swear it looked like ret was standing right off camera for like an hour waiting for his turn

)

Keep it up Wheat, the haters just need to see more of your stuff to know why it works as it is

Zelniq

United States7166 Posts

November 10 2010 22:03 GMT

#43

The entire LO3 cast of the MLG afterparty can be seen here:

first part: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10714898

second part: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10715149

since several in this thread seem to think they missed it and that's that.

ThatsNoMoon

Mexico344 Posts

November 10 2010 22:05 GMT

#44

Hey man I just want to personally(as personal as an anonymous post on a forum can be...) thank you guys and the crew for the production you give us every week.

I really appreciate it and it adds a lot to the community and eSports in general.
Whenever Lo3 is on I spread the word like an STD.

Thanks for doing what you do, i'm proud to be part of the same community as you guys.
Big ups and keep being the fuckin awesome Wheat that you are.

P.S. Bring MiniWheat on more :D

chobopeon

United States7342 Posts

November 10 2010 22:06 GMT

#45

there's not a lot to add. while the critics seemed to have good intentions, they were mostly off. you've obviously got a firm grasp on what you're doing and are pretty damn good at doing it. it's good to see you taking serious note of criticism and better still to see you calmly defend the way you work when you feel it necessary.

at the risk of being redundant in this thread, keep it up. you're a highlight in this community. fuck yeah, keep being yourself.

SmoKim

Denmark10305 Posts

November 10 2010 22:07 GMT

#46

concerns that because of the negative responses in that thread we would discontinue shows "like" this one.

DO NOT WORRY. It'll never happen. Ever

oh thank god, i can't wait for the next show as always

DjWheat > whiners

nekuodah

England2409 Posts

November 10 2010 22:09 GMT

#47

Dude the show was great if anything it let us see the players in a bigger light (outside of the game) and you then felt more involved in the whole scene, never change and fuck the haters like everyone above is saying.

a176

Canada6688 Posts

November 10 2010 22:09 GMT

#48

Its a stupid argument. Have they never listened to a sports radio station? Wheat's radio show is often more 'professional' than 90% of radio shows out there in the 'regular' world. Only when some drama erupts in the sportsnation does everyone get serious, otherwise its just bickering and crackjokes all the time.

Regular sports broadcasts only seems professional because they are on national television and wear suits. There is a form and etiquette they have to follow otherwise the stupid drones that watch them may start writing in the complaints.

But a good example of a show that can be serious, professional, and yet still have fun - NBA on TNT. They are a smart, humorous, and well mixed group of people that provide great insight and great entertainment - much like what I find with various SC2 presentations like wheat's show and state of the game.

Much like the stupid commentator threads that plague TL, just ignore the criticism. You guys do a great job for esports. Keep it up.

Monarch.StarCrack

United States169 Posts

November 10 2010 22:09 GMT

#49

This post was epic. 99.9999% of the people here fully support what you do, in the manner that you choose to do it.

theqat

United States2856 Posts

November 10 2010 22:11 GMT

#50

I love all your shows and especially loved the MLG after-party broadcast. It gave great insight into the players as people instead of just players, which lets people develop real affiliation even if they can't travel 1,700 miles to the event

Thanks for all your hard work!

desRow

Canada2654 Posts

November 10 2010 22:12 GMT

#51

People shouldn't be whining about that lo3. Lo3 always has been with no fluff and it was awesome to get a taste of the after party, props to wheat.

soulcrusher

United States143 Posts

November 10 2010 22:12 GMT

#52

cerebralz

United States443 Posts

November 10 2010 22:12 GMT

#53

As someone who generally doesn't like vulgarity and curse words, i dislike fake people even more. LO3 showed us the real people behind the curtain, so to say, and it was very entertaining. We end up seeing the pro's and such as real people not just faces of players we would like to be as good as.

Although i wasn't able to catch the whole thing (the ending) where maybe more or less of the "offensive" stuff happened, i totally disagree with people ripping the show for it. It would be different if the show was clothed in a "100% clean cut family zone" wrapping, then faked you out. Wheat's programming has always been adult and never tries to make itself something it's not. If you don't like it, you're welcome to change the channel.

It's not like it was the headline of MLG, where those two dudes try to give a sportscenter type look at the matches/previews. It's a niche event, for a certain type of audience. Maybe in the future, just for concience sake, put a disclaimer on the ustream so the soccer moms will get fair warning of what little Jimmy is watching. Other than that, i think the content that was able to be shown, with everyone able to let their hair down, was much more valuable, then trying to show everyone on their best behavior. You already had the whole MLG weekend for that.

darksub

Argentina302 Posts

November 10 2010 22:13 GMT

#54

why you do something is always more important that what you do, there a lot of gaming shows, but very few have real passion for games, thats more important than professional or not

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

November 10 2010 22:15 GMT

#55

I really enjoyed the show! One thing that I learned maybe a year and a half ago was the separation between the "professional" and "off-air" aspects of e-sports. I mean I doubt it's any different in "professional sports", such as basketball, where you don't go around dropping f-bombs in the middle of interviews or when you're in uniform- but in any other case, who the hell cares?! In the same way, if say iNcontroL had been swearing while official interviews were being given, ya that wouldn't be a good thing- but once he's out of that setting, who the hell cares?!

It's stated every episode of State of the Game, it's posted all over the forums, hell even Artosis said it:

Take the stick out of your asses!

I think a good contrast to the Starcraft community is the Street Fighter community. The only "professional" cast I have seen is evo, all the other big events are, as the LO3 folks put it, very "urban". So, yeah when pretty much all of your biggest events are like this it's a bit more difficult to get money into the scene. As an aside, I love the SF community- I think the work the casters do is great, and I also get the feeling that the state of mind is that most people just want to keep it to it's "roots", which is fine. The Starcraft scene doesn't have this problem (if you consider it to be one). All of the biggest events are casted in a professional manner, as to attract viewership (and therefore sponsorship).

In short, thank you for the show djWHEAT! I am glad to hear that you won't discontinue that kind of thing, I think it really adds a lot to the community.

ucDarchon

Germany119 Posts

November 10 2010 22:16 GMT

#56

Just keep doing what you're doing man, don't want to see it any other way.

dudeman001

United States2412 Posts

November 10 2010 22:17 GMT

#57

Just tagging along the agree-with-wheat train. You absolutely nailed it, people need to calm down and not take everything like it's a presidential debate. This is the gamer community, and with it comes gamer culture. We're not formal corporations, politicians or television broadcasters. We're gamers showing off our passions for games that we love as we know best. Personally I wouldn't even mind if every Lo3 show was as laid back as that MLG night. As a child of the Internet I know there's faaaaar worse out there than gamers swearing at each other and engaging in jokes of the sexual variety. The show gave us real personalities, real emotions and felt incredibly inspiring to me, making me think "wow, the pros are just like you or me. They can lose to an opponent in a massive tournament and party with him a few hours later no problem." It was a really awesome show to watch and I hope to see another one like it in the future.

Artifice

United States523 Posts

November 10 2010 22:17 GMT

#58

I watched the whole cast from "It's muted bitches" to finish, and I just wanted to say that I absolutely loved every minute of it, and that pompous, douchey sounding "open letter" response on the forums had me very concerned that you might not do something like this again. I thought about sending you a PM on the matter, but I assumed (correctly, it seems) that a bunch of others already had. Keep it up Wheat, I, and a shit ton of other people, love your work. Also thanks for getting me into SF4.

On November 11 2010 06:27 ZlaSHeR wrote:People may not realize it but he is in my eyes the most influential person in esports, Na'vi, SK Gaming, Daigo, Boxer, Flash, Day9, Tasteless, all of them are a slice of the cake but WHEAT is the frosting that covers everything.

I have a sick mind

Neroin

Germany173 Posts

November 10 2010 22:19 GMT

#59

Unfortunately I missed everything but the last 5 minutes but I've seen quite a lot of stuff by you and I really have to say that I think you're the last to be called "unprofessional". I don't really know how to say it but whenever I see you doing something whether it'd be casting or an interview or your shows or even an event like this I always get the feeling you're acting appropriately with a professional mindset in the back of your head. I have a lot of respect for you and I hope you keep doing what you're doing for ESPORTS!

Also you and Day[9] are the very best commentating duo currently casting (along with Chill to make a trio, that'd be awesome!)

okuraku

United States210 Posts

November 10 2010 22:19 GMT

#60

I wish I was as eloquent as Zlasher but I'm not so I'll just say yeah, djWHEAT you are definitely my favorite personality in all of eSports, probably because of how easy to relate to you are for me personally. It was so cool to meet you in person and see how you're just like you are on stream (in fact, everyone is in the sc2 community really..)

Anyway I'm pretty much an esports spectator only, with a full time developer job & a wife, so I'm right there with you about supporting multiple communities. When you guys mentioned SCR at the MLG after show, I immediately tuned in and got to see an amazing game against Daigo (who lost again, wow).. I hope you guys keep it up (I know you will), and I'll be tuning in for years to come, I'm sure.

Day9 mentioned on SotG that it'd be the coolest thing ever if in the future esports is mainstream and he can look back and say "I had a part in that" and I think we can all agree that if that day comes it's 100% certain that you'll be able to say that.

Cheers

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