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Sounds like she's toying with your feelings and crying for attention.
She's the one making you react to her. But you're the man; make her react to you. Be a leader. Initiate things. If she doesn't want to go along with that then she's not interested in you and you should probably move on.
Good job trying to escalate with her though. If you have the balls to do that then finding another girl will be easy for you. gl with it
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On September 16 2010 06:11 Hawk wrote: Why would you wanna date a whore??? Get your rocks off and all, but you don't actually date a ho that cheats on her boyfriend for you. That shit's a law like gravity and stuff.
So every girl that broke up with her boyfriend because she met someone else she loved is a whore? You are pretty old from what I remember, how are you even saying this. Another thing, what reasons do you date for? Sometimes it's just pure passion, you don't even need to know if she's a whore or not. I wonder if any of the great poets bothered with something as trivial as girls "relationship status".
On September 16 2010 06:18 Spiffeh wrote: Sounds like she's toying with your feelings and crying for attention.
She's the one making you react to her. But you're the man; make her react to you. Be a leader. Initiate things. If she doesn't want to go along with that then she's not interested in you and you should probably move on.
Good job trying to escalate with her though. If you have the balls to do that then finding another girl will be easy for you. gl with it
I mostly agree.
These stories are rarely successful, yet I'm not blaming OP for expressing his feelings and going along with it. Good effort, you will be lucky in love.
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Wow I actually really enjoyed that read. Sad but good story, reminds me of the days when there were women I actually cared about T_T
and omg JackMcCoy you're my new hero, rofl so good. Incontrol with a nice post as well :p Not sure I'm in a position to give any advice though
oh and this better not be fake ^^
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On September 16 2010 06:18 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 06:11 Hawk wrote: Why would you wanna date a whore??? Get your rocks off and all, but you don't actually date a ho that cheats on her boyfriend for you. That shit's a law like gravity and stuff. So every girl that broke up with her boyfriend because she met someone else she loved is a whore? You are pretty old from what I remember, how are you even saying this. Another thing, what reasons do you date for? Sometimes it's just pure passion, you don't even need to know if she's a whore or not. I wonder if any of the great poets bothered with something as trivial as girls "relationship status".
'Breaking up' and 'breaking up after confessing that you drunkenly fucking a random dude' are not the same thing. If you've been there, you know the difference.
Date in that sense that I was talking about would mean being exclusive, which he seemed to allude to at the end... Thought that was conveyed with the get your rocks off bit, but sometimes people don't understand my crude statements! But yeah, that's from experience. Girl who cheats on a bf always does it again. She's a ho. Go for it if you wanna get rocks off, but know what it is. You ain't finding love there (and it doesn't come after a few drunken trysts either!)
And I am not old >:[
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On September 16 2010 06:44 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 06:18 News wrote:On September 16 2010 06:11 Hawk wrote: Why would you wanna date a whore??? Get your rocks off and all, but you don't actually date a ho that cheats on her boyfriend for you. That shit's a law like gravity and stuff. So every girl that broke up with her boyfriend because she met someone else she loved is a whore? You are pretty old from what I remember, how are you even saying this. Another thing, what reasons do you date for? Sometimes it's just pure passion, you don't even need to know if she's a whore or not. I wonder if any of the great poets bothered with something as trivial as girls "relationship status". 'Breaking up' and 'breaking up after confessing that you drunkenly fucking a random dude' are not the same thing. If you've been there, you know the difference. Date in that sense that I was talking about would mean being exclusive, which he seemed to allude to at the end... Thought that was conveyed with the get your rocks off bit, but sometimes people don't understand my crude statements! But yeah, that's from experience. Girl who cheats on a bf always does it again. She's a ho. Go for it if you wanna get rocks off, but know what it is. You ain't finding love there (and it doesn't come after a few drunken trysts either!) And I am not old >:[
To expand and reiterate on what Hawk just said here, there is a difference between breaking up to go out with someone else, and breaking up because you enjoyed fucking some other guy, the latter is a whore, every time.
If OP doesn't mind being a douchebag, and is fine with some casual sex that isn't leading to an actual relationship (not convinced of that), then keep it up, you might get lucky.
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Where did you see her planning to fuck OP and only then try to break up with her boyfriend? If she's worried to the extent where she's crying and suffering trying to make a choice between the two - she would most likely break up with her bf first rather than just cheat on him. Because if she wanted to cheat and keep it a secret she could've done it long ago, it only seems logical. If she was a slut she would've done it.
She wouldn't be breaking up because of fucking another guy while drunk, she would be breaking up because she met someone she liked more - isn't that fair? Would you want her to stay with the guy she's probably lost most of her feelings for?
Another thing - who cares whether she is going to cheat on OP in the future or not, they are in this dramatic situation right now where they could be having the time of their lives. They are young people who are going to date other guys/girls, I assume this is one of their first few love experiences.
And Salv, if every sex leads to an actual relationship - you are in for a lot of disappointment. Sex is only a small part of a relationship.
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On September 16 2010 05:28 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 04:28 saltywet wrote:On September 16 2010 02:20 Salv wrote:On September 16 2010 02:07 dudeman001 wrote:On September 16 2010 00:51 Salv wrote:On September 16 2010 00:48 dudeman001 wrote: First off, nothing is your fault. If the girl is really that keen on cheating on a boyfriend she's had for 3-4 years, you can't blame yourself.
Second, let her make her own choices. Not much sense getting in a relationship with her if she goes into it not sure what she's doing. Let her sort what she really wants and plan from there. Can you specify what you mean when you say nothing is the OP's fault? What about his role in this girl cheating on her boyfriend? It's not the OP's fault because in the situation, he's just a guy who's attracted to a girl. Yeah she's taken, but if she had the decency to not cheat on her boyfriend there'd be no issues here (unless our OP made a move anyway). If a girl has a boyfriend and is flirting with you anyway, are you going to feel like you're doing something wrong? You shouldn't, since she's the only using guys as she chooses. I still see it as a dick move, it's promoting cheating as long as the other person is willing. Maybe I just have more moral scruples to this situation than most of the people in this thread, but I think if you're moving in on a girl that you know is taken, regardless of whether or not she's into it, you're a dick. Lol at people bashing him OP for dating a girl with a boyfriend... as long as the girl isn't engaged or married she's free game to chase, being GF/BF is only a course to decide whether they should marry and stay together forever or not you're only a dick if you move on a girl if she's your buddies' girl, you don't move on a friends girl Disagree. You're an asshole for promoting cheating. Look, assuming a couple is exclusive of course, if you go after a girl with a boyfriend and she had any class, she would turn you down. If you go after a girl with a boyfriend and she's fine with that, she's a whore. Her actions promote the idea that it's acceptable to cheat. Your actions of going after any girl, regardless if they are taken are not, also promotes the idea that it's acceptable to cheat. If you do that, IMO, you're an asshole. You wouldn't care much for it if it happened to you, so you shouldn't pull that crap with others; it's altruism that benefits everyone who values monogamy. Moving in on your friends girlfriend is just being an asshole to a higher degree. Congratulations for having some line you're not willing to cross.
I'll concede that if the OP were friends with her boyfriend, this situation would be completely different imo. But since the boyfriend is some stranger in another country, I still can't blame the OP for his actions. Yeah in a perfect world we wouldn't have cheaters. And cheating shouldn't be condoned. But people stay in relationships longer than they truly want to and want that freedom they're being denied. Ideally, she should've just broken up with her boyfriend, gotten together with the OP, then if it wasn't working she could try to get back together with her foreigner bf. Psychologically so many things are going on it's a massive clusterfuck inside that girl's head. Even so, OP did nothing wrong.
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On September 16 2010 07:12 News wrote: Where did you see her planning to fuck OP and only then try to break up with her boyfriend? If she's worried to the extent where she's crying and suffering trying to make a choice between the two - she would most likely break up with her bf first rather than just cheat on him. Because if she wanted to cheat and keep it a secret she could've done it long ago, it only seems logical. If she was a slut she would've done it.
She wouldn't be breaking up because of fucking another guy while drunk, she would be breaking up because she met someone she liked more - isn't that fair? Would you want her to stay with the guy she's probably lost most of her feelings for?
Another thing - who cares whether she is going to cheat on OP in the future or not, they are in this dramatic situation right now where they could be having the time of their lives. They are young people who are going to date other guys/girls, I assume this is one of their first few love experiences.
And Salv, if every sex leads to an actual relationship - you are in for a lot of disappointment. Sex is only a small part of a relationship.
She already has cheated on him, the OP and this girl have been making out, possibly other things; that's cheating. As far as what I said about fucking a guy and then breaking up, I was speaking in general terms, not specifically to this situation. However for this situation, the girl has a boyfriend, but has been making out with OP and admitted that she was tempted to have sex with him, so the entire point I was making about this girl not being someone you would want a relationship with still stands.
Yes it's fair to break up with someone if you meet someone you like more, obviously. Secretly making out with other guys and things of the like however is cheating, so IMO she's of unsavory character. Also, the OP seemingly cares a lot and is borderline obsessed (like with any crush) with this girl, I doubt highly that his intention is just to have sex with her and then move along, he wants her as a girlfriend. Like I said, if his fine with being a douchebag by promoting cheating, and is fine with some casual sex, then that's his choice. BTW I've been in relationships and I'm currently in one now, that's why it's irritating to read so many people say, "Oh who cares if she cheats" or "It's not like they're married".
On September 16 2010 07:37 dudeman001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 05:28 Salv wrote:On September 16 2010 04:28 saltywet wrote:On September 16 2010 02:20 Salv wrote:On September 16 2010 02:07 dudeman001 wrote:On September 16 2010 00:51 Salv wrote:On September 16 2010 00:48 dudeman001 wrote: First off, nothing is your fault. If the girl is really that keen on cheating on a boyfriend she's had for 3-4 years, you can't blame yourself.
Second, let her make her own choices. Not much sense getting in a relationship with her if she goes into it not sure what she's doing. Let her sort what she really wants and plan from there. Can you specify what you mean when you say nothing is the OP's fault? What about his role in this girl cheating on her boyfriend? It's not the OP's fault because in the situation, he's just a guy who's attracted to a girl. Yeah she's taken, but if she had the decency to not cheat on her boyfriend there'd be no issues here (unless our OP made a move anyway). If a girl has a boyfriend and is flirting with you anyway, are you going to feel like you're doing something wrong? You shouldn't, since she's the only using guys as she chooses. I still see it as a dick move, it's promoting cheating as long as the other person is willing. Maybe I just have more moral scruples to this situation than most of the people in this thread, but I think if you're moving in on a girl that you know is taken, regardless of whether or not she's into it, you're a dick. Lol at people bashing him OP for dating a girl with a boyfriend... as long as the girl isn't engaged or married she's free game to chase, being GF/BF is only a course to decide whether they should marry and stay together forever or not you're only a dick if you move on a girl if she's your buddies' girl, you don't move on a friends girl Disagree. You're an asshole for promoting cheating. Look, assuming a couple is exclusive of course, if you go after a girl with a boyfriend and she had any class, she would turn you down. If you go after a girl with a boyfriend and she's fine with that, she's a whore. Her actions promote the idea that it's acceptable to cheat. Your actions of going after any girl, regardless if they are taken are not, also promotes the idea that it's acceptable to cheat. If you do that, IMO, you're an asshole. You wouldn't care much for it if it happened to you, so you shouldn't pull that crap with others; it's altruism that benefits everyone who values monogamy. Moving in on your friends girlfriend is just being an asshole to a higher degree. Congratulations for having some line you're not willing to cross. I'll concede that if the OP were friends with her boyfriend, this situation would be completely different imo. But since the boyfriend is some stranger in another country, I still can't blame the OP for his actions. Yeah in a perfect world we wouldn't have cheaters. And cheating shouldn't be condoned. But people stay in relationships longer than they truly want to and want that freedom they're being denied. Ideally, she should've just broken up with her boyfriend, gotten together with the OP, then if it wasn't working she could try to get back together with her foreigner bf. Psychologically so many things are going on it's a massive clusterfuck inside that girl's head. Even so, OP did nothing wrong.
Ideally yes, she should have acted like a decent person, so should the OP, so I don't see how you conclude the OP did nothing wrong. OP is promoting cheating with his actions, which in your own words is condoning cheating, which you just said shouldn't be; why not conclude that the OP has blame? It's entirely warranted.
I'm not trying to run the OP in to the ground, it's not like he killed someone or made some massive mistake, but considering a lot of the responses here, I think it was being overlooked that his actions are rather shitty.
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I would sum up your value to this deceptive woman in two words: BACK BURNER
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On September 16 2010 05:53 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 05:49 EpiK wrote: I'm going to be blunt here and say you're a complete douche for even considering doing anything with this chick. I mean what the fuck, she's been with a guy for 4 years and you want to ruin that just cuz you've got a little crush on her after just a few months? Man up, stop focusing on yourself for a sec and put yourself in that other guys shoes.. Burn the bridge completely and move the fuck on. The be the guy that causes another guy to contemplate suicide over a bad breakup.
And in response to your comments on how unhappy she is with the relationship.. What gives you the right to be the judge of that. You don't even fucking understand what she's saying and you're making that conclusion off of her tone during a phonecall? They've been together for 4 years and she's calling him from abroad from another guys room. Of course they're going to have a few arguments. You don't have any say in what's a healthy relationship and what's not because you are clearly self centered yourself. Jesus christ I am genuinely disturbed that someone with a mindset like yours will be a doctor someday A lot of these girls have only been dating one guy, that's why they don't know how to behave in that situation and have so many doubts. If she isn't going to spend the rest of her life with him - you can definitely become the next guy she dates. And if you get that impossible girl it is so much more rewarding. You'd wake up with a "fuck yeah" face on. And there is no "healthy relationship". Sometimes you will meet someone that is not with you but that would most likely be your dream girl. You can stay away or you can try at it - depends on your mentality, I rather regret something that I've done than regret not doing anything. Sometimes you have to take responsibility - would you not touch a girl if she was a virgin? Because this is the same premise - you might be ruining something that you don't want to be responsible for in the long run.
lf you wake up with a big "fuck yeah" face on because you stole some guy's girl than you better keep up being an asshole double time because one day a bigger one is going to show up and screw your life up in some way.
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On September 16 2010 08:23 Xyik wrote: lf you wake up with a big "fuck yeah" face on because you stole some guy's girl than you better keep up being an asshole double time because one day a bigger one is going to show up and screw your life up in some way.
So this is not going to happen to you because.. why? 
If you think "stealing someones gf" makes you particularly happy - by all means go with it. I was talking about finally getting with someone you tried hard to get with, not some dick measuring contest. Sorry to disappoint.
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On September 16 2010 07:12 News wrote: Where did you see her planning to fuck OP and only then try to break up with her boyfriend? If she's worried to the extent where she's crying and suffering trying to make a choice between the two - she would most likely break up with her bf first rather than just cheat on him. Because if she wanted to cheat and keep it a secret she could've done it long ago, it only seems logical. If she was a slut she would've done it.
She wouldn't be breaking up because of fucking another guy while drunk, she would be breaking up because she met someone she liked more - isn't that fair? Would you want her to stay with the guy she's probably lost most of her feelings for?
Another thing - who cares whether she is going to cheat on OP in the future or not, they are in this dramatic situation right now where they could be having the time of their lives. They are young people who are going to date other guys/girls, I assume this is one of their first few love experiences.
And Salv, if every sex leads to an actual relationship - you are in for a lot of disappointment. Sex is only a small part of a relationship.
She already cheated on her bf with this guy, while it didn't lead to having sex, it's happened multiple times.
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On September 16 2010 08:27 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 08:23 Xyik wrote: lf you wake up with a big "fuck yeah" face on because you stole some guy's girl than you better keep up being an asshole double time because one day a bigger one is going to show up and screw your life up in some way. So this is not going to happen to you because.. why?  If you think "stealing someones gf" makes you particularly happy - by all means go with it. I was talking about finally getting with someone you tried hard to get with, not some dick measuring contest. Sorry to disappoint.
So that 'impossible girl' you were talking about was some random that you've had your eye on and not somebody's girlfriend? I'm pretty sure you were the one promoting how happy you would be to be able to get with that girl who's 'impossible' because she already has someone.
Sorry, you did disappoint. And no, that would not happen if people like you did not exist. 'I'd rather try and experience it than not try at all'. That applies to stealing things from people?
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On September 16 2010 08:30 FabledIntegral wrote: She already cheated on her bf with this guy, while it didn't lead to having sex, it's happened multiple times.
People can do more than their senses normally allow them to while being intoxicated.
I am currently observing a similar scenario where a girl from eastern europe is flirting with some dude that gets her high/drunk, they sporadically make out while under the influence. Her girlfriend made a bet with me that she isn't going to have sex with the guy ( she did dodge it thus far). She's on skype with her actual bf almost daily.
So I am going to lose that bet (I knew the guy pretty well and was confident he'd succeed). Might come off as a surprise, but kissing and cuddling alone in some girls minds isn't really cheating. Can you really call her a slut since she refused sex no matter how much she wanted it?
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On September 16 2010 08:37 News wrote: People can do more than their senses normally allow them to while being intoxicated.
I am currently observing a similar scenario where a girl from eastern europe is flirting with some dude that gets her high/drunk, they sporadically make out while under the influence. Her girlfriend made a bet with me that she isn't going to have sex with the guy ( she did dodge it thus far). She's on skype with her actual bf almost daily.
So I am going to lose that bet (I knew the guy pretty well and was confident he'd succeed). Might come off as a surprise, but kissing and cuddling alone in some girls minds isn't really cheating.
1. I assure you for the vast vast majority of males, if your women is making out and feeling another guy up, it's blatant cheating. 2. It's not some mistake when she's intoxicated once, it's a regularly occurring thing that happens because she has feelings for him.
In short, by most men's standards, she's a whore.
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On September 16 2010 07:12 News wrote: Where did you see her planning to fuck OP and only then try to break up with her boyfriend? If she's worried to the extent where she's crying and suffering trying to make a choice between the two - she would most likely break up with her bf first rather than just cheat on him. Because if she wanted to cheat and keep it a secret she could've done it long ago, it only seems logical. If she was a slut she would've done it.
She wouldn't be breaking up because of fucking another guy while drunk, she would be breaking up because she met someone she liked more - isn't that fair? Would you want her to stay with the guy she's probably lost most of her feelings for?
Another thing - who cares whether she is going to cheat on OP in the future or not, they are in this dramatic situation right now where they could be having the time of their lives. They are young people who are going to date other guys/girls, I assume this is one of their first few love experiences.
And Salv, if every sex leads to an actual relationship - you are in for a lot of disappointment. Sex is only a small part of a relationship.
Ok. Let me put it like this: What does this say about someone's character if they have a person they've been seeing 'exclusively' for 3-4 years--a person so dedicated that they are coming to a whole new country for their gf--and this girl has been drunkenly kissing and fucking around on several occasions??
Whore would probably be one of the nicer things I'd call her. treat it as a fling or whatever, but the last thing i'd do is worry about her feelings and start actually dating her. rekrul is a beacon of wisdom. He will agree.
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On September 16 2010 08:31 Xyik wrote: So that 'impossible girl' you were talking about was some random that you've had your eye on and not somebody's girlfriend? I'm pretty sure you were the one promoting how happy you would be to be able to get with that girl who's 'impossible' because she already has someone.
Sorry, you did disappoint. And no, that would not happen if people like you did not exist. 'I'd rather try and experience it than not try at all'. That applies to stealing things from people?
"Impossible girl" I was talking about was simply a girl that was hard to get because she was burdened with some "relationship" that she couldn't overcome no matter how hard she wanted to. If you made her do it - be happy.
And you are not "stealing things from people". It's her choice first, she isn't anyone's "thing" either. Fail analogy.
On September 16 2010 08:39 FabledIntegral wrote: 1. I assure you for the vast vast majority of males, if your women is making out and feeling another guy up, it's blatant cheating. 2. It's not some mistake when she's intoxicated once, it's a regularly occurring thing that happens because she has feelings for him.
In short, by most men's standards, she's a whore.
You can't see yourself being drunk making out with another girl because she is your cute roommate? If you can't - that's you, my moral standards must be rotten.
If she's a whore - so be it, she's the whore for OP because she can't resist it. He's the fucking man.
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On September 16 2010 08:39 Hawk wrote: Ok. Let me put it like this: What does this say about someone's character if they have a person they've been seeing 'exclusively' for 3-4 years--a person so dedicated that they are coming to a whole new country for their gf--and this girl has been drunkenly kissing and fucking around on several occasions??
Whore would probably be one of the nicer things I'd call her. treat it as a fling or whatever, but the last thing i'd do is worry about her feelings and start actually dating her. rekrul is a beacon of wisdom. He will agree.
I'd be ruined if she did that to me. But, honestly, she might be over him, what are you going to do Life is a bitch, I'd have to accept my miserable fate and move on.
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On September 16 2010 08:41 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 08:31 Xyik wrote:On September 16 2010 08:39 FabledIntegral wrote: 1. I assure you for the vast vast majority of males, if your women is making out and feeling another guy up, it's blatant cheating. 2. It's not some mistake when she's intoxicated once, it's a regularly occurring thing that happens because she has feelings for him.
In short, by most men's standards, she's a whore. You can't see yourself being drunk making out with another girl because she is your cute roommate? If you can't - that's you, my moral standards must be rotten. If she's a whore - so be it, she's the whore for OP because she can't resist it. He's the fucking man.
If I'm drunk and making out with another girl when I have a girlfriend then I fucking cheated on her. Yeah, I'd say you're probably in the bottom 5% of morality concerning relationships if you don't think that is cheating. If you do make out with other girls when you have a girlfriend, and use being drunk as an excuse, then you're cheating on her. Don't be friggin' exclusive if you can't "help yourself."
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On September 16 2010 08:41 News wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 08:31 Xyik wrote: So that 'impossible girl' you were talking about was some random that you've had your eye on and not somebody's girlfriend? I'm pretty sure you were the one promoting how happy you would be to be able to get with that girl who's 'impossible' because she already has someone.
Sorry, you did disappoint. And no, that would not happen if people like you did not exist. 'I'd rather try and experience it than not try at all'. That applies to stealing things from people? "Impossible girl" I was talking about was simply a girl that was hard to get because she was burdened with some "relationship" that she couldn't overcome no matter how hard she wanted to. If you made her do it - be happy. And you are not "stealing things from people". It's her choice first, she isn't anyone's "thing" either. Fail analogy. Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 08:39 FabledIntegral wrote: 1. I assure you for the vast vast majority of males, if your women is making out and feeling another guy up, it's blatant cheating. 2. It's not some mistake when she's intoxicated once, it's a regularly occurring thing that happens because she has feelings for him.
In short, by most men's standards, she's a whore. You can't see yourself being drunk making out with another girl because she is your cute roommate? If you can't - that's you, my moral standards must be rotten. If she's a whore - so be it, she's the whore for OP because she can't resist it. He's the fucking man.
lol how can you be burdened with a relationship. Stop making it sound like the girl is 'trapped' and just wants out to justify stealing. If she wanted out that badly she'd be out. She stays with the same guy because shes comfortable with him. Shes comfortable with the same guy because, hey, you know what he must not be that bad after all. I wonder why she even got together with that guy in the first place? He must have done something right. Shes curious about new guys because hey, all humans are inherently curious to 'try' things they've never experienced. That doesn't mean she wants out, or she would be out.
That 'temptation' of trying something new is exactly what religious refer to as a sin. And theres a reason for it. But forget the girl's point of view.
If you had the choice between making two people happy or making yourself happy, which would you choose? One answer is whats 'right' the other is 'wrong'. Some people know which one makes the world a better place, others don't.
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