EPTI don't know how much leniency he really deserves. True, all he wanted to do was to go shopping. But if that was it, there should've been no problem if the officers wanted to talk to him inside. He shouldn't have anything to hide, and therefore there's no problem. A minor inconvenience in one's day, but that's the sacrifice made to try and keep nations just a little bit safer.
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
I don't know how much leniency he really deserves. True, all he wanted to do was to go shopping. But if that was it, there should've been no problem if the officers wanted to talk to him inside. He shouldn't have anything to hide, and therefore there's no problem. A minor inconvenience in one's day, but that's the sacrifice made to try and keep nations just a little bit safer. | ||
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Diuqil
United States307 Posts
On July 03 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote: By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people. I could go on forever actually. So we should let a shitload of terrorists run freely into the U.S/Canada? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On July 03 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote: By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people. I could go on forever actually. youngminii, that is a ridiculous argument. Think about it for one second. You are making out like terrorists are a commonly enjoyed activity (?) which occasionally damages people or more accurately leads people to damage themselves or others. What an insane view you have of the world and of logic if you think that your post is a valid corollary of Megalisk's. On topic, I personally felt this border cop was a complete douchebag at the beginning, but actually could see where he's coming from later. Like everyone is saying, this Canadian guy should have just humoured him and come up with a couple of stores he was planning to go to, and then said we haven't fully made our mind up. Next question. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
As a Canadian who often heads down south to either pick up packages or shop relatively frequently, I believe that the border guard did nothing wrong. They are trained to be suspicious and question you. Although it is pretty obvious that the guy was just being a general jackass, so he deserves this treatment. A little humility/respect goes a long way. Put on a smile, answer the questions, no matter how mundane, and be polite. Then continue on with your day. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
if the guy who has to cope with that shit gets a little attitude it is at least understandable, but cops cant afford to have that. cops can never lose moral highground or it will undermine their authority just like it did here. cops must seek to be respected by being respectful to people while at the same time keeping things in order. if they do shit like that then theyre simply not doing their job. at least thats how it is in europe. maybe the job description includes stuff like "powertrip", "domination" and "bullying" for law enforcement officers in the u.s., i dont know. but it certainly is how it seems like. On July 03 2010 13:48 Superiorwolf wrote: maybe its because there is no audio here, but that situation doesnt seem at all like the same. from the words alone it would seem like the guard was just doing her job calmly, while in the op the cop acted like he had a stick up his ass. (with other words your example sounds like common border controls that i know, while i cant say the same of the op)Had the same problems twice while crossing to the Canadian side of Niagara a little more than a week ago. The border guards are really temperamental and moody. Border patrol girl: "Where will you be staying?" Us: "the sheraton fallsview for one night." Border: "Do you have over $10,000 in cash?" Us: "no" Border: "Are you carrying any weapons?" Us: *lol* "no" Border: "Do you happen to be in possession in cocaine, marijuana, etc." (I don't remember if this was the exact question but they were along the same lines) Us: "no" (we are slightly chuckling because of the questions and how serious she is being) Border: "I seem to be missing something here. What is so funny about crossing international borders? Is there something I should know? Tell me." Us: ... My brother: "Well some of us are on vacation and enjoying life, obviously some people here are not." Border: ... "Passenger in the right front seat, you're crossing international borders. Lose the attitude." Brother: "Same to you ma'am" Lol I can't believe what a bitch she was | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5438 Posts
I sided with the border patrol all the way until the last minute. He definitely doesn't deserve jail-time, and I don't think what he did was assault (more like reflex... if someone tries to grab me, I might kind of jump away too). However, he was a big time moron for those first 8 minutes... What the hell was he trying to prove? It doesn't matter if you get asked stupid questions, you can answer any question like that still, "Well, I don't know any specific stores, but I'm looking for pants and my wife is looking for purses..." or something. Don't scoff at the officer for asking a stupid question. Just answer it. I've crossed the border numerous times, and yes, sometimes you get asked odd questions, but you can always just answer them. Some people are just asking for trouble... | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
Repeat information. Car searched. Thank you sir. Fin. | ||
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muse5187
1125 Posts
On July 03 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote: By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people. I could go on forever actually. by that logic you should be banned from thinking. | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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muse5187
1125 Posts
On July 04 2010 00:15 So no fek wrote: The initial guard was a bit of an asshole, but the guy was being a douchebag smart ass the entire time. I think the went overboard near the end, though. I didn't hear a single threat, and pulling away from someone trying to physically grab you being pegged as assault is lolworthy. Pulling away from any officer is a bad idea, they will always slap you with resisting or assault of a public servant. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 03 2010 15:23 machinehead.. wrote: Yeah, sure you could handle questions better -- even if you think someone is fucking with you -- but you have to expect that a certain percentage of people are going to react the same way to such questions, thus you just end up wasting time when you could obviously better use your time elsewhere. Realistically, I can't imagine many people with something to hide are going to back talk the boarder control, so eliciting that kinda response doesn't make all that much sense to me. You just resolved your own problem with the officer's questions. The fact that the man was so extremely defiant and defensive makes him a higher level suspect than someone who responds calmly. It doesn't matter what his skin was or if he was traveling with his wife or kids or anything. The top concerns from Canada-Michigan borders are drug and human trafficking, not terrorism, btw. Unless you use the private bridge. o.o EDIT: Also don't lose sight of the fact that this is probably fake. The guy had a hidden microphone on himself the entire time and it was never spotted, even through metal detectors and such. "I know this dude from Facebook" isn't exactly solid proof, as Xero has taught you poor boys and girls. | ||
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YoonHo
Canada1043 Posts
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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Kruxxen
United States149 Posts
If these people cannot answer a question as honestly and straightforwardly as they expect THEIR questions to be answered there is a fundamental flaw in the system, simple as that. Any time an authority figure says "because I said so" I immediately know that they don't even know why they are hassling me, except because they think they can. That is the problem with our current system of authority, in all areas, we have entirely one-dimensional questioning, officers are not required to give reasoning for their actions. FUCK THAT. | ||
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muse5187
1125 Posts
On July 04 2010 12:07 Soldier92 wrote: This is total BS. The way I see it is that if these officers can't give the man a straight answer they are not justified in any way in their actions. The man would not have been so belligerent if the officer had simply said, "please sit down, we need to interview you," or ANYTHING along those lines. If these people cannot answer a question as honestly and straightforwardly as they expect THEIR questions to be answered there is a fundamental flaw in the system, simple as that. Any time an authority figure says "because I said so" I immediately know that they don't even know why they are hassling me, except because they think they can. That is the problem with our current system of authority, in all areas, we have entirely one-dimensional questioning, officers are not required to give reasoning for their actions. FUCK THAT. u mad? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive? Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is oftentimes complete bullshit, largely because it's so easy for the police to abuse their power and you guys are FOR it. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have. Good job, you're brilliant. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 05 2010 01:27 Djzapz wrote: I think it's pitiful that you guys think something like this is perfectly acceptable. Are you really going to gently bend over when an officer asks you to, "floor exercise". Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive? Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is complete bullshit and it's so easy for the police to abuse their power it's not even funny. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have. Good job, you're brilliant. You're posting with prior knowledge of the outcome and actors (again, assuming it's not fake), which is 100% useless when examining the proper behavior of law enforcement. The vast majority of TL seems to be incapable of doing otherwise. And again, it's probably fucking fake. I'm not sure how I can stress that last sentence enough. Even if he was wearing a hidden mic on purpose so that he could annoy the first officer, he's not going to wear it past a metal detector into the border patrol interview office and he's not going to keep it on through jail and magically upload the audio file later. If it was from the police's perspective, 1. the audio quality would be a lot worse because they'd be using unidirectional wall/camera mics, 2. the voice quality would not be so consistent throughout every environment such as when they're taking him into the room and then after he sits down, and 3. it'd require 3 or 4 different feeds to be leaked and put back together (and again, they wouldn't all sound the same.) This is like a thinking puzzle all of you just failed. It should be even more clear when you look at the person's other videos. | ||
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