This is quite an interesting altercation at the border between Canada and the US. I've crossed the border many times myself, probably at the same crossing as this guy on some occasions.
I had an interesting situation when they discovered I had some bulk diatom powder in my trunk, which incidentally looks just like cocaine yet is deadly if snorted..... But that is completely unrelated.....
What the hell is this? Granted, he didn't have to be such a dick, but there is no way the situation should have escalated like that.
What is TL's thoughts on this type of behavior by border guards? Is this type of thing worth the false security that it provides (what is it, 1% of cargo containers entering the US through shipyards are actually checked for illegal content)?
The border dudes on the US/Mexico are like this with the questions, I could see my dad's eyes flmaing with anger as he is forced to answer calmly.
Anyways I'm still listening.
The guy kinda annoys me, he should have just shut up and went across the border. The border patrol are annoying as fuck, but they are a necessary part of international commerce/traveling. He sounds like such a bitch when he gets arrested.
I honestly think that the point of these border guards isn't actually to intercept potentially harmful or contraband items, but more or less to assuage the fears of the general American public of some ill-defined threat.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
The first officer was completely out of bounds and unreasonable, but the second was a bit more understanding of the situation, and I feel the Canadian guy was a bit smart-talking and provoking. If he was cooperative with the second officer this probably would have been a lot smoother.
Men in charge of garbage disposal are sad sacks of shit that fucked up their lives and have to go get one of those useless jobs that make society better for us.
Border guards are worse in that they don't actually do anything for society.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Or he could have answered the questions calmly/rationally, without provoking the officer, then gone about his day. The cop wouldn't have asked for the stuff if the guy wasn't being a jerk.
On July 03 2010 13:26 youngminii wrote: Men in charge of garbage disposal are sad sacks of shit that fucked up their lives and have to go get one of those useless jobs that make society better for us.
Border guards are worse in that they don't actually do anything for society.
If in a lifetime of work at the border they only catch 1 terrorist, then it is actually worth it.
The officer who asked what store they're going to was retarded. The guy who was answering the questions was retarded. The wife who overreacted was retarded.
i got a similar treatment when i crossed the border from Niagara, after a short conversation about what i had been doing in canada i got told to park my car, they brought me to a waiting room, then told me i was gonna be searched, and proceeded to pull out everything in my car and inspect it with a drug dog. i was definitely not as combative as this guy though, i had nothing to hide and just wanted to leave. detained me for about 25-30 mins and let me go. this clip sounds pretty damning, especially the conclusion, but i can't help but feeling that the guy getting detained blew it out of proportion. had he complied, he probably would have gotten treated the same way i did. these people have a serious job to do, and do NOT have time for BS.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Or he could have answered the questions calmly/rationally, without provoking the officer, then gone about his day. The cop wouldn't have asked for the stuff if the guy wasn't being a jerk.
being a jerk?
Am I supposed to know what exactly am I going to do?, if I just want to visit the mall, then I'm a terrorist cause I have no other plans than to walk the mall around and shop random stuff with my wife?.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Or he could have answered the questions calmly/rationally, without provoking the officer, then gone about his day. The cop wouldn't have asked for the stuff if the guy wasn't being a jerk.
being a jerk?
Am I supposed to know what exactly am I going to do?, if I just want to visit the mall, then I'm a terrorist cause I have no other plans than to walk the mall around and shop random stuff with my wife?.
lol?
While I may agree with you on ideological bases, in practice, I'd certainly want an active police force that responds to situations in which they have a reasonable suspicion of malicious activity. Any person walking around the mall with his wife might not be suspicious, but I'd certainly want someone who was, say, shuffling around the mall, looking around, and leaving unattended bags behind trash cans to be at least questioned.
On July 03 2010 13:27 Megalisk wrote: If in a lifetime of work at the border they only catch 1 terrorist, then it is actually worth it.
By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Or he could have answered the questions calmly/rationally, without provoking the officer, then gone about his day. The cop wouldn't have asked for the stuff if the guy wasn't being a jerk.
being a jerk?
Am I supposed to know what exactly am I going to do?, if I just want to visit the mall, then I'm a terrorist cause I have no other plans than to walk the mall around and shop random stuff with my wife?.
lol?
Their job is to ask those questions, when I was coming from Mexico into the US for a funeral, you wouldn't believe the questions they asked my dad, but its what they have to do. No one (myself included) likes the border process, but its gotta be done.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Or he could have answered the questions calmly/rationally, without provoking the officer, then gone about his day. The cop wouldn't have asked for the stuff if the guy wasn't being a jerk.
being a jerk?
Am I supposed to know what exactly am I going to do?, if I just want to visit the mall, then I'm a terrorist cause I have no other plans than to walk the mall around and shop random stuff with my wife?.
lol?
While I may agree with you on ideological bases, in practice, I'd certainly want an active police force that responds to situations in which they have a reasonable suspicion of malicious activity. Any person walking around the mall with his wife might not be suspicious, but I'd certainly want someone who was, say, shuffling around the mall, looking around, and leaving unattended bags behind trash cans to be at least questioned.
But then you're are just supposing he will be doing these kinds of things, and are reacting towards your beliefs of him being a terrorist. I know this "might" happen like in every other border crossing, but let me tell you, this is an example of some mediocre training there.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
A person that is entering a country in which they are not a citizen and running their big mouth is complete different from your example....use your head
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
someone coming into a completely different country without being a citizen is completely different...use your head
Then I guess everyone in USA assumes everyone who's not a citizen comes to fuck up your shit.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Good thing that you edited out that part of your post where you mocked the person you quoted and actually made a complete fool of yourself.
Yes, that dude in the video is an idiot. He couldve answered calmly to all the questions and he couldve gotten out of there in a matter of minutes but he seriously f*cked himself trying to prove a worthless point.
Yes, at the border an officer doesnt know who you are, where you come from and why are you crossing the border. You can be a terrorist or a murderer or just guy trying to go shopping with his wife. There is no other way to make sure you are not a potential threat and in my opinion, everyone should understand this.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
Good thing that you edited out that part of your post where you mocked the person you quoted and actually made a complete fool of yourself.
Yes, that dude in the video is an idiot. He couldve answered calmly to all the questions and he couldve gotten out of there in a matter of minutes but he seriously f*cked himself trying to prove a worthless point.
Yes, at the border an officer doesnt know who you are, where you come from and why are you crossing the border. You can be a terrorist or a murderer or just guy trying to go shopping with his wife. There is no other way to make sure you are not a potential threat and in my opinion, everyone should understand this.
On July 03 2010 13:23 Dance.jhu wrote: the dude is fucking over reacting....just dont have a smart mouth when you are crossing a border. its common sense
Then is it safe to say, that a cop can..e..take away your cellphone and all your belongings, without giving a reason cause when an Officer tells you to do something, you just do and ask no questions?.
someone coming into a completely different country without being a citizen is completely different...use your head
Then I guess everyone in USA assumes everyone who's not a citizen comes to fuck up your shit.
ok....let's assume everyone not a citizen and coming in is just going shopping...
I'm using the US an example just because they are the ones in the video...it doesnt matter what country you are entering, the same rule applies.
b4 you think im some idiot "america is best" guy, i was born in canada and i am a citzen of both canada and usa. ive also drove across the border atleast 50 times both ways without being arrested
"which stores"...really? If that was me i'd just answer the idiot and move on. Has anyone ever experienced this before coming from America to Canada? Just curious.
On July 03 2010 13:44 reza wrote: "which stores"...really? If that was me i'd just answer the idiot and move on. Has anyone ever experienced this before coming from America to Canada? Just curious.
no, they usually wouldnt ask a dumb question like that, but just answer "we arent sure, it's our first time there" and move on.
Had the same problems twice while crossing to the Canadian side of Niagara a little more than a week ago. The border guards are really temperamental and moody.
Border patrol girl: "Where will you be staying?" Us: "the sheraton fallsview for one night." Border: "Do you have over $10,000 in cash?" Us: "no" Border: "Are you carrying any weapons?" Us: *lol* "no" Border: "Do you happen to be in possession in cocaine, marijuana, etc." (I don't remember if this was the exact question but they were along the same lines) Us: "no" (we are slightly chuckling because of the questions and how serious she is being) Border: "I seem to be missing something here. What is so funny about crossing international borders? Is there something I should know? Tell me." Us: ... My brother: "Well some of us are on vacation and enjoying life, obviously some people here are not." Border: ... "Passenger in the right front seat, you're crossing international borders. Lose the attitude." Brother: "Same to you ma'am"
Except 250 of the last 335 terrorist attacks have been domestic in origin..... The border guards are there to help discourage movement of terrorists? Most of them are already in the freaking country.....
no matter your beliefs on how careful border guards should be, having common courtesy when your job is interacting with people all day long is a must. guy in the OP was a big douche but the border guy was a douche too, if either of them decided to stop being a dick the whole situation would have been resolved
edit: also let's be honest, the cop just wanted to get back at the guy for acting like a snob
Heh, I haven't crossed the US border from Canada alone before but i have heard of many stories similar to this, where the smallest of altercations or misunderstandings lead to a huge hassle/problem. It makes me nervous because i have a short temper and i come from a middle eastern background, but the best thing to do I guess is just answer the officers question no matter how morally or politically justified you think are. Don't let that 5-10 minutes of questions with the border patrol officer ruin you're entire trip. If you think you were treated unfairly than write a letter or make a phone call after, and make you're complaint.
The guy was being a dick, but it also seemed unnecessary for the border guards to be flexing what little power they have on people passing through. Now you send two people to jail that were going to the mall with no priors? You ask them questions and expect an answer, but if they ask you a question all you have to say is "because". I would be quite annoyed by that too. Also, it's ok for you to put your hands on them, but if they even flinch they are assaulting you. I don't know. I think it would of been more clear if there were a video to go along with the audio.
I can see from there point of view that a man losing his temper could be some sort of threat, but it's not like he's a threat to the country because he loses his cool. If that were true every redneck drunk would be a national security threat. This stuff should be a two way street not just a "we say so" sort of thing. Can't give them a reasoning so throw them away until it can become a legal matter.
Moral of the story, stupid questions aren't taken seriously. Ask better and more pertinent questions. Say it was a terrorist that was lying about his intentions... you would receive the same answer, minus the attitude. I don't think anyone of "interest" is going to try to cause a scene.
"when you pulled your arm away from the officer when he went to grab you, that was assault" "you made a clear threat it was on tape we have it all" "we don't need any grounds for our actions" LOL wtf... so stupid i hope he lost his job or got suspended.
When they said "oh you just threatened me?", all he said was what are you going to do? the guy was asking a simple question. such pathetic. Americans picking on Canadians, got a gun? oh i love violence and how it floods my mind when this stuff happens. im out. someone should shoot that prick square in his fucking eyes. BOOM
Some of these questions are pretty ridiculous. But I guess it's better to be safe than sorry. But still, this guy's a jackass about it. "Do you honestly think I'm lying to you?"... Really stupid question to ask. Obviously he's upset but he needs to keep his cool or it's gonna get worse... that should be really obvious.
But wow, the end where the guy's like "you're going to jail" is kind of retarded. lolol u threatened someone and your wife assaulted someone.. people use technicalities way too much. Grabbing someone's arm = life or death situation now, when the person doing it is obviously extremely anxious? Hmm.
I don't blame the border people too much. I agree that the question "what store are you going to" is fairly ridiculous, but just answer their fucking question and don't act like a smart ass. The reality is this, the border people are probably required to pull X amount of people out of their cars a day, and the people they are going to choose are the ones annoying them, it's not like you wouldn't either.
Also, the "interviewer" did absolutely nothing wrong. The guy seriously just needed to grow up, answer their questions and get on with his day, you're not going to win.
Having had a couple jobs in my life, i know that the reality is you adopt the personality that your job requires. Their job requires them to take everything extremely seriously and so they do.
He got an attitude to start with by questioning the worth of the officer's question. And the nervous laugh to go with it. I mean, I don't know if it's reasonable to expect the officer was just annoyed or if he felt that there was actually some suspicion there for avoiding the question. Maybe a little of both.
The guy was also acting like he was special. Apparently, they should use bias in his favor. He is different, but they don't know it yet, so he should get let out anyway. He doesn't seem like a criminal.
But I can't condone the actions of the officers either, and who can say that even if he answered the better way by just saying "I'm just going to browse around," or "I'm not really sure what exact stores there are," or whatever that the officer would've let them on?
I don't know. It's not clear black-and-white to me. On the one hand, the officer has no prior info on the guy, so he has to take anything not a clean answer to his questions as a bit suspicious but could also be letting emotion overtake judgment when it shouldn't. On the other hand, you have a guy who is just provoking and essentially derailing anything the officers say, but he could also be nervous too and had a lapse in judgment as a result. Although the uploader of the video seems to believe the tape was done to prove a point. If so, then it's biased and null as far as I'm concerned.
Talking back to the office probably wasn't the best idea, but it's kind of hard to blame him considering how like-dirt he was treated.
It's almost like the officers had some sort of bring-in-to-interview or arrests quota. When the officers all started screaming 'Are you threatening me?', 'Was that a threat?', 'That was a threat'. It seemed total BS and just about gave me an aneurysm.
He was being completely arrogant. They are trained to take everything serious when it comes to the border. You would be surprised what these officers find from people trying to cross the border.
I know they are talking about terrorist crap, but drugs is also a big deal in every crossing...
This guy is a huge douche bag. It is astounding. I think the border patrol were just fucking with this guy because he was being a huge douche. I just laughed at the end of this cause the guy got what he deserved.
As much as I can understand the hate for border gaurds and what not the guy on the tape was asking for trouble the way he responded to some of those questions. I get that the border gaurd asked some pretty dumb questions like "which store are you going to?" but responding with some smartass answer is just a bad idea. When the second border gaurd asked him the same question he explained that he was going to be walking around looking at many different shops. If he had given that answer earlier instead of his smartass one this shitfest would of easily been avoided.
On July 03 2010 14:59 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: This guy is a huge douche bag. It is astounding. I think the border patrol were just fucking with this guy because he was being a huge douche. I just laughed at the end of this cause the guy got what he deserved.
Hahaha, taking a step back and looking at it like this is pretty great.
Yeah, sure you could handle questions better -- even if you think someone is fucking with you -- but you have to expect that a certain percentage of people are going to react the same way to such questions, thus you just end up wasting time when you could obviously better use your time elsewhere. Realistically, I can't imagine many people with something to hide are going to back talk the boarder control, so eliciting that kinda response doesn't make all that much sense to me.
Well the first cop the guy came across did have an asshole attitude the whole time but when he got to the interviewer (who seemed incredibly patient and reasonable) this guy was just plain retarded in his responses. If anything i feel bad for his wife as it was his stupidity and that alone that got them both arrested.
The guy is a dick. "Do you HONESTLY think that I'm lying? HONESTLY?" Shut the fuck up bro. Assume nothing, verify everything. That is what security people do. He takes this shit sooo personally.
I understand he was being defiant based on some sort of principal, however, there comes a time when it is best to just swallow your pride and act in accordance to the situation. People have to understand that a lot of the rights they think they have become null at the border. It is not wise by any means to provoke people who have the power to do a lot of things that are definitely not good. Neither party handled the situation all that well; but at the end of the day, the guy crossing the border was the only one that could really get burned in that situation and he should have realized that.
Edit: I've listened through twice for the supposed "threats" that were recorded; but maybe I am missing something because I wasn't able to hear any threats.
Since this video has been getting so many views, and ppl have been asking the same questions, I figured Id explain a couple things here. This video was sent to me by someone on facebook. I dont know who the guy is, what the aftermath was, or which crossing this was at.
Im noticing something from all the comments tho. For the most part, it seems like the ppl who have the menatality that "everything is OK", that the war on terror is real, that osama brought the towers down, that terrorists hate us for our 'freedoms' and are hell bent on destroying us all... you know, that whole false paradigm way of thinking.. these people for the most part have this attitude that the guy got what he deserved; that he shouldve just stfu, sat down, and complied. I have a problem with that tho, and thats mainly because these agencies, these ppl, these govt's, are supposed to work for us, the people. Not the other way around. This guys job is not to treat other humans like dogs. They are not there to treat us all like potential criminals, like pieces of shit that have no rights, and should feel privilidged to even be able to travel to the US. It isnt to act like complete dicks, trying to get a reaction... which is exactly what went on here. That cop was looking for this reaction, and escalated it from the second the interview started. Just because this guy gave them a little attitude back, they couldnt take that, so they got pissed off and arrested him. and to make matters worse they tell him moving away from a cop is assult. WTF. Is this not fascism? This is like nazi germany.. show me your papers...
The guy sounded to me like someone whos been throiugh this whole song n dance before, and got aggitated because he knew the nonsense he was about to go through. So why is it that the cop can give this guy attitude, but this guy cant give it right back. People seem to think cops or anyone with a badge is some how above us, and we must do exactly as they say. But in reality these ppl are paid by tax dollars; they are here for us. So for them to turn around and act like this, is inexcusable.
This guy had every right to give a little attitude back to those pricks. How about starting the conversation off with hello fellow human, how are you? instead they set the tone by asking rapid fire questions, giving the guy no time to answer the questions.. and as soon as the guy gives a little attitude back, the cop hates that, because its undermining his power... and thats why 90% of these guys took the job afterall... because theyre power tripping bullies. Soon as some guy takes away their upperhand or lets them know theyre not gonne bend over, this infuriates them. And thats what we see here.
They arrest the guy for talking back. He didnt do anything illegal, he didnt break the law. The cops could easily have said fuck off buddy go home, youre not getting in to this country with that attitude. Instead they just wanted to arrest him and get him in jail. Because who do you think you are, talking back to a border cop.
Moral of the story is fuck these bullies and fuck the over reaching govt, both in the US and in Canada (mind you our shitty policies are a result of the US telling our govt what to do and how to act, under the guise of this bs 'war on terror'.
Everyones being fooled by this false pretense nonsense since 9/11. It wasnt the arabs, stupid!
That guy had it coming, it's not a smart idea to talk back to an officer, or in this case be a complete jackass to one. Jail might have been a little harsh, and I do understand he just wanted to go to the mall. But it's an officer, and it was his attitude that put him in jail.
I don't usually side with the state in these matters, but this guy was being an uncooperative prick and certainly deserved to be detained. I doubt he actually served jail time, especially since his "threat" appears to be absent from the recording. If he did then the officers were abusing their power and also at fault.
Videos (or audio clips) like this surface every now and again. Someone filmed or recorded themselves getting a rough time at the border. A common problem with these videos is the people being "abused" don't take up a position that'll end the situation quickly and calmly. No, they attempt to prove that they're right and the officers are wrong, or just start up some sort of disagreement. What did this guy do? His actions summarize saying "I'm not a terrorist, on that grounds it's obvious you can and should let me go." Border patrol officers don't have the luxury of that kind of trust.
I don't know how much leniency he really deserves. True, all he wanted to do was to go shopping. But if that was it, there should've been no problem if the officers wanted to talk to him inside. He shouldn't have anything to hide, and therefore there's no problem. A minor inconvenience in one's day, but that's the sacrifice made to try and keep nations just a little bit safer.
On July 03 2010 13:27 Megalisk wrote: If in a lifetime of work at the border they only catch 1 terrorist, then it is actually worth it.
By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people.
I could go on forever actually.
So we should let a shitload of terrorists run freely into the U.S/Canada?
On July 03 2010 13:27 Megalisk wrote: If in a lifetime of work at the border they only catch 1 terrorist, then it is actually worth it.
By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people.
I could go on forever actually.
youngminii, that is a ridiculous argument. Think about it for one second. You are making out like terrorists are a commonly enjoyed activity (?) which occasionally damages people or more accurately leads people to damage themselves or others. What an insane view you have of the world and of logic if you think that your post is a valid corollary of Megalisk's.
On topic, I personally felt this border cop was a complete douchebag at the beginning, but actually could see where he's coming from later. Like everyone is saying, this Canadian guy should have just humoured him and come up with a couple of stores he was planning to go to, and then said we haven't fully made our mind up. Next question.
Is it seriously a good idea to try an start shit at an international border crossing? especially at the US border, a country which is rather sensitive to these issues?
As a Canadian who often heads down south to either pick up packages or shop relatively frequently, I believe that the border guard did nothing wrong. They are trained to be suspicious and question you. Although it is pretty obvious that the guy was just being a general jackass, so he deserves this treatment.
A little humility/respect goes a long way. Put on a smile, answer the questions, no matter how mundane, and be polite. Then continue on with your day.
if thats how they think of other people then they should just close the fucking border. maybe then theyll realize that other people can be an asset to your country and not a threat and that you should treat them nicely instead of escalating the situation. was the guy complying the best he could? obviously not. did the cops do the best they could to calm the situation and finish their search/interview? no. if the guy who has to cope with that shit gets a little attitude it is at least understandable, but cops cant afford to have that. cops can never lose moral highground or it will undermine their authority just like it did here. cops must seek to be respected by being respectful to people while at the same time keeping things in order. if they do shit like that then theyre simply not doing their job. at least thats how it is in europe. maybe the job description includes stuff like "powertrip", "domination" and "bullying" for law enforcement officers in the u.s., i dont know. but it certainly is how it seems like.
On July 03 2010 13:48 Superiorwolf wrote: Had the same problems twice while crossing to the Canadian side of Niagara a little more than a week ago. The border guards are really temperamental and moody.
Border patrol girl: "Where will you be staying?" Us: "the sheraton fallsview for one night." Border: "Do you have over $10,000 in cash?" Us: "no" Border: "Are you carrying any weapons?" Us: *lol* "no" Border: "Do you happen to be in possession in cocaine, marijuana, etc." (I don't remember if this was the exact question but they were along the same lines) Us: "no" (we are slightly chuckling because of the questions and how serious she is being) Border: "I seem to be missing something here. What is so funny about crossing international borders? Is there something I should know? Tell me." Us: ... My brother: "Well some of us are on vacation and enjoying life, obviously some people here are not." Border: ... "Passenger in the right front seat, you're crossing international borders. Lose the attitude." Brother: "Same to you ma'am"
Lol I can't believe what a bitch she was
maybe its because there is no audio here, but that situation doesnt seem at all like the same. from the words alone it would seem like the guard was just doing her job calmly, while in the op the cop acted like he had a stick up his ass. (with other words your example sounds like common border controls that i know, while i cant say the same of the op)
I sided with the border patrol all the way until the last minute. He definitely doesn't deserve jail-time, and I don't think what he did was assault (more like reflex... if someone tries to grab me, I might kind of jump away too).
However, he was a big time moron for those first 8 minutes... What the hell was he trying to prove? It doesn't matter if you get asked stupid questions, you can answer any question like that still, "Well, I don't know any specific stores, but I'm looking for pants and my wife is looking for purses..." or something. Don't scoff at the officer for asking a stupid question. Just answer it. I've crossed the border numerous times, and yes, sometimes you get asked odd questions, but you can always just answer them. Some people are just asking for trouble...
Yes sir. Shopping sir. Both canadiens sir. Not sure of exact stores, going to an outlet mall sir. Yes sir. Sir. Search my car? Yes sir. Repeat information. Car searched. Thank you sir. Fin.
On July 03 2010 13:27 Megalisk wrote: If in a lifetime of work at the border they only catch 1 terrorist, then it is actually worth it.
By that logic, we should get rid of all cars because cars kill people. By that logic, we should ban alcohol because alcohol kills people. By that logic, we should ban games because games (WoW) kill people.
The initial guard was a bit of an asshole, but the guy was being a douchebag smart ass the entire time. I think the went overboard near the end, though. I didn't hear a single threat, and pulling away from someone trying to physically grab you being pegged as assault is lolworthy.
On July 04 2010 00:15 So no fek wrote: The initial guard was a bit of an asshole, but the guy was being a douchebag smart ass the entire time. I think the went overboard near the end, though. I didn't hear a single threat, and pulling away from someone trying to physically grab you being pegged as assault is lolworthy.
Pulling away from any officer is a bad idea, they will always slap you with resisting or assault of a public servant.
On July 03 2010 15:23 machinehead.. wrote: Yeah, sure you could handle questions better -- even if you think someone is fucking with you -- but you have to expect that a certain percentage of people are going to react the same way to such questions, thus you just end up wasting time when you could obviously better use your time elsewhere. Realistically, I can't imagine many people with something to hide are going to back talk the boarder control, so eliciting that kinda response doesn't make all that much sense to me.
You just resolved your own problem with the officer's questions.
The fact that the man was so extremely defiant and defensive makes him a higher level suspect than someone who responds calmly. It doesn't matter what his skin was or if he was traveling with his wife or kids or anything. The top concerns from Canada-Michigan borders are drug and human trafficking, not terrorism, btw.
Unless you use the private bridge. o.o EDIT: Also don't lose sight of the fact that this is probably fake. The guy had a hidden microphone on himself the entire time and it was never spotted, even through metal detectors and such.
"I know this dude from Facebook" isn't exactly solid proof, as Xero has taught you poor boys and girls.
Ridiculous.. both the Canadian and the US border patrol. For some reason, this reminds me of a thread on reddit.com. Some guy posted about how the airport security guards picked his hot girlfriend to do a full body scan on. They proceeded to high five each other as well. I'm skeptical of these border patrol/airport people.
This is total BS. The way I see it is that if these officers can't give the man a straight answer they are not justified in any way in their actions. The man would not have been so belligerent if the officer had simply said, "please sit down, we need to interview you," or ANYTHING along those lines.
If these people cannot answer a question as honestly and straightforwardly as they expect THEIR questions to be answered there is a fundamental flaw in the system, simple as that. Any time an authority figure says "because I said so" I immediately know that they don't even know why they are hassling me, except because they think they can. That is the problem with our current system of authority, in all areas, we have entirely one-dimensional questioning, officers are not required to give reasoning for their actions. FUCK THAT.
On July 04 2010 12:07 Soldier92 wrote: This is total BS. The way I see it is that if these officers can't give the man a straight answer they are not justified in any way in their actions. The man would not have been so belligerent if the officer had simply said, "please sit down, we need to interview you," or ANYTHING along those lines.
If these people cannot answer a question as honestly and straightforwardly as they expect THEIR questions to be answered there is a fundamental flaw in the system, simple as that. Any time an authority figure says "because I said so" I immediately know that they don't even know why they are hassling me, except because they think they can. That is the problem with our current system of authority, in all areas, we have entirely one-dimensional questioning, officers are not required to give reasoning for their actions. FUCK THAT.
He was a fucking idiot and deserved everything he got. All you do is answer their handful of questions without giving sarcastic responses like "LOL DOES IT MATTER?" and you are on your way. The next guy he talked to was being incredibly reasonable even though he was becoming more and more irrational and angry for no reason at all. They gave him way more chances than he deserved
I think it's pitiful that you guys think something like this is perfectly acceptable. Are you really going to gently bend over when an officer asks you to, "floor exercise".
Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive?
Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is oftentimes complete bullshit, largely because it's so easy for the police to abuse their power and you guys are FOR it. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have.
On July 05 2010 01:27 Djzapz wrote: I think it's pitiful that you guys think something like this is perfectly acceptable. Are you really going to gently bend over when an officer asks you to, "floor exercise".
Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive?
Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is complete bullshit and it's so easy for the police to abuse their power it's not even funny. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have.
Good job, you're brilliant.
You're posting with prior knowledge of the outcome and actors (again, assuming it's not fake), which is 100% useless when examining the proper behavior of law enforcement. The vast majority of TL seems to be incapable of doing otherwise.
And again, it's probably fucking fake. I'm not sure how I can stress that last sentence enough. Even if he was wearing a hidden mic on purpose so that he could annoy the first officer, he's not going to wear it past a metal detector into the border patrol interview office and he's not going to keep it on through jail and magically upload the audio file later.
If it was from the police's perspective, 1. the audio quality would be a lot worse because they'd be using unidirectional wall/camera mics, 2. the voice quality would not be so consistent throughout every environment such as when they're taking him into the room and then after he sits down, and 3. it'd require 3 or 4 different feeds to be leaked and put back together (and again, they wouldn't all sound the same.)
This is like a thinking puzzle all of you just failed. It should be even more clear when you look at the person's other videos.
On July 03 2010 23:02 GumThief wrote: Yes sir. Shopping sir. Both canadiens sir. Not sure of exact stores, going to an outlet mall sir. Yes sir. Sir. Search my car? Yes sir. Repeat information. Car searched. Thank you sir. Fin.
Yeah this, that guy could have been on his way in 5mins rather than getting pissy about it.
On July 05 2010 01:27 Djzapz wrote: I think it's pitiful that you guys think something like this is perfectly acceptable. Are you really going to gently bend over when an officer asks you to, "floor exercise".
Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive?
Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is oftentimes complete bullshit, largely because it's so easy for the police to abuse their power and you guys are FOR it. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have.
Good job, you're brilliant.
My god, these are customs officers, they are allowed to stop and search anyone they want, we gave them this right when we opened our borders between the two countries. You make simple declarations and they allow you into their country. If they want to search your car you pull over and you let them and then you are on your way. On the way back you do the same thing. It's the worst possible place to stand up for rights you don't have against people who have more power than you even realize and have a pretty stressful job.
No one did anything illegal or violating anyone's rights. They did their job and the guy decided for whatever reason that he should not be subjected to the same general rules as everyone else seeking to cross the border.
If you aren't capable of answering these simple, routine questions without being a sarcastic, self entitled shithead, then you don't deserve to cross the border.
On July 05 2010 01:27 Djzapz wrote: I think it's pitiful that you guys think something like this is perfectly acceptable. Are you really going to gently bend over when an officer asks you to, "floor exercise".
Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive?
Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is complete bullshit and it's so easy for the police to abuse their power it's not even funny. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have.
Good job, you're brilliant.
You're posting with prior knowledge of the outcome and actors (again, assuming it's not fake), which is 100% useless when examining the proper behavior of law enforcement. The vast majority of TL seems to be incapable of doing otherwise.
And again, it's probably fucking fake. I'm not sure how I can stress that last sentence enough. Even if he was wearing a hidden mic on purpose so that he could annoy the first officer, he's not going to wear it past a metal detector into the border patrol interview office and he's not going to keep it on through jail and magically upload the audio file later.
If it was from the police's perspective, 1. the audio quality would be a lot worse because they'd be using unidirectional wall/camera mics, 2. the voice quality would not be so consistent throughout every environment such as when they're taking him into the room and then after he sits down, and 3. it'd require 3 or 4 different feeds to be leaked and put back together (and again, they wouldn't all sound the same.)
This is like a thinking puzzle all of you just failed. It should be even more clear when you look at the person's other videos.
Fair enough. Won't assume it's real. I've heard some real ones in the past and some pretty shitty stuff happens. The woman's voice was seriously extremely annoying too! Just thought I'd throw that in ^^
On July 05 2010 01:27 Djzapz wrote: I think it's pitiful that you guys think something like this is perfectly acceptable. Are you really going to gently bend over when an officer asks you to, "floor exercise".
Maybe for your personal sake, it's better to actually do that. Now, though, do you seriously think that someone should be locked up for committing a PERFECTLY VICTIMLESS "crime"? The guy didn't hurt anybody, he obviously didn't threaten anybody and "obstruction of justice" is ridiculous... What justice was obstructed? The justice of police officers being able to do whatever they want with no motive?
Are you going to say "it's the law" and then go back to smoking your joint alongside basically half the country? The law is oftentimes complete bullshit, largely because it's so easy for the police to abuse their power and you guys are FOR it. Naturally there's bound to be people who are completely fine with having their freedom messed with by people who have more rights than they have.
Good job, you're brilliant.
My god, these are customs officers, they are allowed to stop and search anyone they want, we gave them this right when we opened our borders between the two countries. You make simple declarations and they allow you into their country. If they want to search your car you pull over and you let them and then you are on your way. On the way back you do the same thing. It's the worst possible place to stand up for rights you don't have against people who have more power than you even realize and have a pretty stressful job.
No one did anything illegal or violating anyone's rights. They did their job and the guy decided for whatever reason that he should not be subjected to the same general rules as everyone else seeking to cross the border.
If you aren't capable of answering these simple, routine questions without being a sarcastic, self entitled shithead, then you don't deserve to cross the border.
Why not? You figure someone isn't entitled to standing on a certain landmass based on the fact that it's hard not to laugh about a retarded question? I'm going to the Niagara falls and I'll do some shopping. Where? Seriously, I would have giggled too. And then you have to put up with some serious garbage because you laughed at a stupid question because the "officer" is angry at you for laughing? Do you seriously think laughing at a stupid question is a clue that someone's dangerous somehow?
If this is true, and I don't say it is, it's pretty ridiculous.
Moral of the story: respect officers in a foreign country.
When entering a foreign country, comply with officers of that country and don't give any attitude. Gosh that's hard!
If I took a trip down to Mexico (or Canada) you better believe I'd do whatever ANY officer told me instantly. This guy was just stupid, and if it's real I think he deserves whatever he gets for being an idiot.
IMO the guy was intentionally taping this... there is no way in hell you should act the way he did when crossing the border. I don't care what the officer asks you, you need to comply. It is as simple as that. If he asks you what store you're going to you don't freak out. Instead you could say "I don't know" hell you could even ask him if he knows any good stores in said mall. Seriously if you're gonna act like a dick, don't come to my country.
Yeah some author was recently beaten up and charged with assault because of this BS at the canadian border. -.- (Canadian author by american guards). Guards are asshat thugs.
On July 05 2010 02:12 Merikh wrote: All I got to say is "fuck the police"
My, what an enlightened attitude. How I love a generation spurred on by rap music.
Dude had it coming. Seriously, why does everybody try to turn confrontation with authority figures into a pissing match? You're going to lose. Stop pretending to be hard and do what they say. I've been in front of more than my fair share of cops and never even gotten close to anything less than a fair shake because I know not to be an asshat to them.
Say yes sir or ma'am, be specific with answers, don't be a smartass, and remember that they're just doing their damn job.
Point 1: don't give the fucking police officers attitude. Most police officers (in my opinion and experience anyways, if you don't agree that's your opinion) join the force for a feeling of power over people. They like the feeling of knowing they can people someone in jail for giving them attitude and they don't like it when some smart ass starts giving them shit. Yeah a lot of times you will get arrogant police officers that will give you attitude and you will be expected to just sit there with a dumb pretty smile and say "yes, okay, great officer, Im glad I could help you today, goodbye". This is just the reality of life with police officers and there's nothing you can do about it.
Point 2: Don't fight with the police officers EVER. If they decide to search your car without a warrant on the spot, let them. If they decide to search your belongings when they dont have permission to, let them. If they decide to do ANYTHING illegal, let them. Then after everything happened, brign them to court for it and brign evidence, like a witness or a tape recording, You will NEVER win with a police officer when he's in your presence because he has a gun and a lot og the law behind him, so just do as he says and if he does anything wrong, bring him court and punish him in court for it. A good idea is to read about how to deal with police interigations. This will give you a good understanding of what you can and cannot do.
The guy in the video had a really big attitude. It's his fault he upset the officers and it's his fault he wastes his time in his interview. Next time just smile and let them do whatever they want.
Haha....really, pulling away from an Officer is assault?
For the questioning of why they went so in depth is because its a random anti terrorist measure they take. I would of probably been a smart ass too the cops. What mall are you going too...really? They don't need to know that. Clearly the cops were out of line. I worked over seas for the government doing similar work and we never did any of that shit. I'm pretty sure the 2nd cop that came in knew what happened was wrong but you can never go against your own people when your on the force. You just can't you have to back them up.
Lol I'm actually planning on becoming a Canadian border guard.
Anyways here are my opinions on this issue:
1. When an officer asks questions, just respond in a manner which will best give you the chances of getting through in 1-3 questions. They usually ask, like in the video:
"Where are you going?" "How long are you going to be there?"
etc.
Just don't give attitude, and if you don't know, just say, "I don't know its a mall I've never been to before." Don't make yourself seem more peculiar and suspicious. By saying, "I don't know does it matter?" Gives a sort of implication of disrespect, which might register in the officers brain for disrespect of America, which might lead to TERRORIST.
2. The officer from the States was being precautious. Sure it might seem he was being a dick himself, but he wasn't. Border guards stop people for making any suspicious or peculiar responses. There was this time when my dad answered incorrectly going to the American border (this was our first time).
Officer: Who's car is this? Dad: Joe's car. Officer: Who's Joe? Dad: I'm Joe.
^ they then told us to pass, and park at the inspection bay. Had to go into the office, gave them citizenship cards, insurance, etc, they inspected the car, and then we were let off.
Even while he turned out to be the owner, it was peculiar enough for the officer to stop us. They tend to be super suspicious, so just don't trip up during the questioning at the gate.
But honestly, its assault if he sways his hand away from the officer? Did he even know he was being arrested? BTW, Canadian law isn't that much different from american law, we just have different names for them, there's no charge for rape, its called sexual assault. We don't have felonies, except their called indictible offences. In making comparisons between the law, the border patrol was being a know-it-all.
On July 05 2010 02:12 Merikh wrote: All I got to say is "fuck the police"
My, what an enlightened attitude. How I love a generation spurred on by rap music.
I thought you love bacon? You're either a liar, or you're cheating on that swine.
On a serious note, I figured the recording was fake as well. But I know that the border guards are pretty relentless..... Just think of what it would be like when they see about 40 lbs of what appears to be cocaine in large containers in your trunk..... Yea..... Not a fun experience.....
Honestly, if someone really wanted to cross the border, they'd make sure they were not acting suspicious (and likely make sure that some people right ahead of them are acting suspicious on purpose to distract the guards)..... Those are probably the ones you should be most scared of..... And you'd never know it.....
Really hard to listen to because one person is really quiet and one person is really loud I've never had this when I cross from Canada to US, and most of the time they couldn't care less. They all look really bored and dead lol. So idk about these guards, they are really giving him are hard time, but he could have reacted better.
Unlikely to be real for reasons mentioned in a post above (how did they record it?).
If it is real, the guy is being a little provocative. A polite, calm, and submissive demeanor would have done him good. Likewise, the border patrol guy was a dick, but he's under a lot of stress + deals with who knows how many annoying people a day.
Not all border patrol agents are like this; you get a few bad eggs in every bunch, similar to how not all cops beat up minorities, but a few do and they give the rest a bad name.
When I went to the US the policeman at the airport asked me a bunch of ridiculous questions. It went like this:
Cop: "What are you doing in the US?" Me: "Just looking for some leisure time" Cop: "Where are you going after this?" Me: "I'm going to check in my hotel" (couple more questions like this one later) Cop: "Are you happy?" Me: "I'm sorry?..." Cop: "I ASKED YOU, are you happy?" Me: "I guess so, yes"
Now I understand the cop was doing his job and although I was bored to hell awnsering to the first questions what kind of retarded piece of crap comes up with "Are you happy?".
A bit off topic, I just wanted to share this funny (sad) story.
About the canadian guy... he was a dick. It's true that the "What shop?" was a bit unecessary but if you are entering another country all you want to do is awnser their questions. Simple.
EDIT: I lol'ed at the 3 terrorists per day from Canada. Seriously ahaha.
I'm about six minutes in, and I have no sympathy for this guy at all. The part from six minutes onward is a bit of bullshit from the USA side, but the guy totally brought that shit on himself. He acted like a complete asshole the entire time, to every one involved. Maybe the altercation with the border officer I could see being both sides to blame, as the officer was being a prick as well, but the man inside interviewing was being very respectful, and that guy just wanted to keep being argumentative.
On July 05 2010 11:59 WeSt wrote: When I went to the US the policeman at the airport asked me a bunch of ridiculous questions. It went like this:
Cop: "What are you doing in the US?" Me: "Just looking for some leisure time" Cop: "Where are you going after this?" Me: "I'm going to check in my hotel" (couple more questions like this one later) Cop: "Are you happy?" Me: "I'm sorry?..." Cop: "I ASKED YOU, are you happy?" Me: "I guess so, yes"
Now I understand the cop was doing his job and although I was bored to hell awnsering to the first questions what kind of retarded piece of crap comes up with "Are you happy?".
A bit off topic, I just wanted to share this funny (sad) story.
About the canadian guy... he was a dick. It's true that the "What shop?" was a bit unecessary but if you are entering another country all you want to do is awnser their questions. Simple.
EDIT: I lol'ed at the 3 terrorists per day from Canada. Seriously ahaha.
THREE. TERRORISTS. FROM CANADA. EVERY. DAY
Passing through customs is like this for most countries. Frankfurt airport is especially bad, in my experience.
People need to realize that the questions aren't supposed to be standard. They're supposed to be a bit awkward in case you've just rehearsed them and you're thrown off by something that should be easily answerable.
They don't care about what you say in response to dumb questions like "ware you happy" or "which shops," they're only looking at how you respond.
Anyone that takes that kind of tone with an officer is asking for trouble. From the very beginning he was pushing his luck, and about 2/3's of the way in he was beyond all hope. It's not about what you think you're entitled to, you just respond in a respectful manner and the same respect will be given to you. If your ego gets a little hurt because you think you were asked a stupid question or given a bogus ticket, so what? It's better than pushing the issue and being locked up for the night/day.
I don't know about the assault charge, sounds more like he was resisting arrest and not assaulting anyone, but that's besides the point. For someone who had supposedly been across the border and dealt with this before he should have known better. Probably got too used to used to being shuffled through and was impatient to get going.
This shit reminds me of half the retards that get perma-banned from TL.net. He was like one of those guys that get unbanned from TL only to bitch about why he was banned in the first place. The mods keep tell him to move on and be a good poster from now on, but he just got to keep pushing it and pushing it. Until they get so fed up with his bullshit they finally reban him. This happens all the time, and happened just yesterday in the automated an list thread with that Killphil dude.
Right from the beginning that guy has a way too rough tone of voice, he was asking for it, I've never had any issues with border patrol, toll booths, airport security, or anything. Just go about your business, don't be a complete asshole, don't talk back, and don't have a nasty tone of voice and nothing will happen to you.
On July 05 2010 15:15 ZlaSHeR wrote: Right from the beginning that guy has a way too rough tone of voice, he was asking for it, I've never had any issues with border patrol, toll booths, airport security, or anything. Just go about your business, don't be a complete asshole, don't talk back, and don't have a nasty tone of voice and nothing will happen to you.
Agreed... It almost seems like he's provoking the officer on purpose since he's recording the whole encounter.
How could you possibly support the officers here? I have no idea why everyone thinks he deserved what he got. He was treated like shit by the officers, people get pissed off when they are treated like shit. The border patrol guys were on a HUGE power trip and were hostile from the go. The man only become argumentative after he had been wronged. These officers are public servants. And as public servants they should act like public servants. That means being polite and explaining yourself when you want someone to do something for you. Not acting like you own the fucking country and can do whatever you want. If I was in that situation I would be defiant as well.
On July 05 2010 20:17 Fen wrote: How could you possibly support the officers here? I have no idea why everyone thinks he deserved what he got. He was treated like shit by the officers, people get pissed off when they are treated like shit. The border patrol guys were on a HUGE power trip and were hostile from the go. The man only become argumentative after he had been wronged. These officers are public servants. And as public servants they should act like public servants. That means being polite and explaining yourself when you want someone to do something for you. Not acting like you own the fucking country and can do whatever you want. If I was in that situation I would be defiant as well.
The man and the original officer both had attitudes I feel, so I was not surprised or really had empathy when he was told to pull over to the side for the interview. From that point onward, that man was a complete idiot, not thinking through any of what he was saying. The man interviewing him was being extremely cordial, and he wanted to get anything done about the original officer, he should have been equally respectful, but he wasn't; he was acting borderline irate at times.
Should he have been pulled over? Probably not. Should you know better than to act like that to an officer, and even more so towards the cordial man interviewing you? Definitely. The man had his chance and kept up his attitude because he was upset over the questionable call. The business with the 'assault' sounds like the officers were just fed up with his attitude and we're punishing him. I don't agree with that, but I can't feel sympathy for this man at all.
Look, I compare this to the videos of skateboarders that get questioned by the police and want to be smart-asses about it. They know their friend has the camera, and they want to look cool and impress their friends by having an attitude with the cops. Then when the cop gets fed up and arrests them, or confiscates their skateboard, they get on about their rights and how unjust it was. If you play with fire, you're going to get burned.
On July 05 2010 14:32 p4NDemik wrote: Anyone that takes that kind of tone with an officer is asking for trouble. From the very beginning he was pushing his luck, and about 2/3's of the way in he was beyond all hope. It's not about what you think you're entitled to, you just respond in a respectful manner and the same respect will be given to you. If your ego gets a little hurt because you think you were asked a stupid question or given a bogus ticket, so what? It's better than pushing the issue and being locked up for the night/day.
I don't know about the assault charge, sounds more like he was resisting arrest and not assaulting anyone, but that's besides the point. For someone who had supposedly been across the border and dealt with this before he should have known better. Probably got too used to used to being shuffled through and was impatient to get going.
except not licking the ass of every officer you come across is not a crime yet (at least where im coming from). officers cant (SHOULDNT) be able to do shit about you not being nice and respectful to them as long as you dont break any laws and will eventually do what they ask of you, if they are justified in asking that of you. officers on the other hand are obligated to do their best to not escalate the situation and to refrain from using violence/force as much as possible. this is how it is in europe. from all the videos i have seen it seems to be different in the united states, and im not envious of them. most free country my ass. its sad really, but whats even more sad is that they dont care about it and still hold that their country is the greatest nation on earth. i dont know about you, but thats not what i call a civilized society. its abuse of power whereever you look.
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