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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9108 Posts
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Xtal
Haiti385 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:28 IntoTheWow wrote: If EffOrt blows chunks why is everyone so scared of him advancing and predict EffOrt vs Flash finals? Not like Shine advancing would change anything. Well yeah, maybe he would all-in one guy or two, and then die to Movie. LOL very nicely put. | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote: it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story. the stats don't matter. It's this one game that counts. If Shine would have gotten the win who cares if he's 100-3 against effort or 3-203434234 | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
To the people comparing this to Jd vs Flash. In that game Flash was behind because of how he played. Effort was (or at least they say) behind because of a malfunction. Not the same thing. That and theyre trying to keep this professional...therefore EVERYTHING should solely depend on the game itself and nothing external. equipment not working should never be a concern to the players and it would be unprofessional if it was. As for consistency...this is the OSL and that was the MSL. They can make their own rules for their own leagues. Of course the biggest thing ur missing it that its SHINE. Some shitty ZvP only zerg that is totally clueless after the early midgame. He's not gonna go far anyway. At least effort has the chance to revive his career. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
To be honest, Shine was playing the best out of his shitty group up until that point. And Effort hasn't been playing that well as of late either. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
If he did have real computer problems that affected the early game, he should have reported it right away. What he did was basically saying: "what the hell, let's see if I can win with this faulty mouse, and if I can't then I get a regame anyways with no consequence". In the case that the computer problems were sudden, then they should have just resumed. If Effort reported the error right away, the game until that point should have been legit, and therefore after fixing the problems, the entire game would be without problems as well, giving no reason to regame at all. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On April 20 2010 00:15 Roffles wrote: I don't give a flying fuck if Shine sucks balls or if Effort is the new zerg savior. I'm just saying if they didn't have any conclusive evidence to say "Oh damn, our comps messed up", then there shouldn't be any regame whatsoever. Play the game out and let's get it over with if there's no substantial evidence to warrant a pause. To be honest, Shine was playing the best out of his shitty group up until that point. And Effort hasn't been playing that well as of late either. We've been over this, I think you're saying that they couldn't find a problem which is a huge departure from finding a problem, but not knowing where the problem was. I think what was inconclusive was the second option. If you can't rule out the culpability of the computer in this situation, then you can't say the game was played in fair conditions. Three scenarios, and nobody knows exactly which is which. There is, however, a scenario in which ordering the re-game would be the right thing to do. > I think if they could not find a problem, they would not have taken EffOrt's word for it, and they would've resumed the game. > I think if they had found that EffOrt's mouse was causing the problem, they probably would've replaced the mouse, given him a warning, and then resumed the game. > But, if they found the problem was caused by computer error, or that they could not rule out that possibility, than the only fair option is to call the re-game. On April 20 2010 00:34 ketomai wrote: I agree that the regame was bogus. What's stopping all players from just pausing and then citing 'computer problems' as they're about to lose based on this precedent? If he did have real computer problems that affected the early game, he should have reported it right away. What he did was basically saying: "what the hell, let's see if I can win with this faulty mouse, and if I can't then I get a regame anyways with no consequence". In the case that the computer problems were sudden, then they should have just resumed. If Effort reported the error right away, the game until that point should have been legit, and therefore after fixing the problems, the entire game would be without problems as well, giving no reason to regame at all. What's stopping players from pausing and citing computer problems is the fact that sometimes computer problems exist, but usually they don't. They wouldn't just blindly accept the complaint, they'd have to find the problem. Also, you're assuming way too much, EffOrt may have noticed the problem at any point during the game, but he might've dismissed it as a small mistake on his part, or he might've hoped it was a one-time glitch. Any number of reasons why he never called for a pause until the game's most important battle, where he realized exactly how far up a creek without a paddle he was. My point is that you can't assume too much about the nature of this problem, and you can't assume that EffOrt was maliciously playing with a faulty mouse. And finally, your third point has been addressed repeatedly throughout this thread. The mouse problems DID change the game, and EffOrt almost certainly blamed them for the loss in the muta battle that had just occurred. That's the difference between this and the power outage. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 20 2010 00:34 ketomai wrote: I agree that the regame was bogus. What's stopping all players from just pausing and then citing 'computer problems' as they're about to lose based on this precedent? If he did have real computer problems that affected the early game, he should have reported it right away. What he did was basically saying: "what the hell, let's see if I can win with this faulty mouse, and if I can't then I get a regame anyways with no consequence". In the case that the computer problems were sudden, then they should have just resumed. If Effort reported the error right away, the game until that point should have been legit, and therefore after fixing the problems, the entire game would be without problems as well, giving no reason to regame at all. What's stopping all players? The fact that the referees tried out the mouse and concluded there was a problem. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On April 20 2010 00:44 SubtleArt wrote: What's stopping all players? The fact that the referees tried out the mouse and concluded there was a problem. Ok, then I can bring a slightly faulty mouse every game if I wanted with the intention of calling a regame if I gain a disadvantage. Usually players always get their mouse settings set before the game even starts. Effort should have been able to conclude if there were problems then or not. Once the match starts, you can't go back and blame equipment that's already been confirmed by yourself to be satisfactory, especially if you have the ability to pause in the case of immediate, sudden problems. Even in that situation, there should be no reason for a regame. Again, the problem should be fixed and they should continue. If Effort during the game told himself "oh something's weird", but brushed it off, it's his fault. He should just call a pause then and there if there's ANY possibility that the mouse started malfunctioning. Everything played up until the point of his pause was played because according to his judgement, it was playable. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 20 2010 01:00 ketomai wrote: Ok, then I can bring a slightly faulty mouse every game if I wanted with the intention of calling a regame if I gain a disadvantage. Usually players always get their mouse settings set before the game even starts. Effort should have been able to conclude if there were problems then or not. Once the match starts, you can't go back and blame equipment that's already been confirmed by yourself to be satisfactory, especially if you have the ability to pause in the case of immediate, sudden problems. Even in that situation, there should be no reason for a regame. Again, the problem should be fixed and they should continue. If Effort during the game told himself "oh something's weird", but brushed it off, it's his fault. He should just call a pause then and there if there's ANY possibility that the mouse started malfunctioning. Everything played up until the point of his pause was played because according to his judgement, it was playable. If u bring a faulty mouse ur guaranteeing a loss anyway | ||
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djcube
United States985 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
 i'd hope that he'd be more honorable then thatbut then it IS the OSL -__- | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
but either way i believe that neither of them nor shine nor effort will get beyond Zero.. and all this banter will be like the game they took off sea cause of the pp instead of the ppp.. just another bad decision by the refs the flash game was totally f-ed up i still cant believe how bad the msl runs their stuff. | ||
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