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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
April 19 2010 00:47 GMT
#41
twice in a row kespa made the best possible decision to deal with a terrible situation. Props to them, anyone complaining is wrong.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 00:57:37
April 19 2010 00:56 GMT
#42
The power outage didn't affect Flash's play against Jaedong, Effort's mouse or computer or whatever clearly hampered his ability to play against Shine. Tough calls, but I agree KesPA made the right decision both times.

Also, both times, both "robbed" players had chances to win anyway and didn't.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 01:00:39
April 19 2010 00:59 GMT
#43
If Effort didn't get the regame and lost, then he would be eliminated.
When Flash didn't get his regame, he was only down 1-2. Not finished.
Kespa not giving the regame to Flash cannot be compared with them giving the regame to Effort.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 01:03:14
April 19 2010 01:02 GMT
#44
Effort gets a rematch because his "technical difficulty" with his mouse would have impaired his playing performance through-out the match. When he finally asked for a pause, he could attribute his loss to technical error and not actually performance. FlaSh on the other hand had no impairment of his play, he was at a firm disadvantage solely based on his own play. The power outage and efforts technical problem only similarity was they were a premature end to a one-sided game. It's stupid to compare the two, there's no discrepancy
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 01:10:34
April 19 2010 01:08 GMT
#45
On April 19 2010 10:02 n.DieJokes wrote:
Effort gets a rematch because his "technical difficulty" with his mouse would have impaired his playing performance through-out the match. When he finally asked for a pause, he could attribute his loss to technical error and not actually performance. FlaSh on the other hand had no impairment of his play, he was at a firm disadvantage solely based on his own play. The power outage and efforts technical problem only similarity was they were a premature end to a one-sided game. It's stupid to compare the two, there's no discrepancy

Why wouldn't he pause beforehand then? Why wait until he's about to get crushed and then pause? If he had technical issues throughout the game, he should have paused when it first happened.
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condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
April 19 2010 01:17 GMT
#46
Karma could be a bitch.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
April 19 2010 01:25 GMT
#47
On April 19 2010 10:08 Roffles wrote:
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On April 19 2010 10:02 n.DieJokes wrote:
Effort gets a rematch because his "technical difficulty" with his mouse would have impaired his playing performance through-out the match. When he finally asked for a pause, he could attribute his loss to technical error and not actually performance. FlaSh on the other hand had no impairment of his play, he was at a firm disadvantage solely based on his own play. The power outage and efforts technical problem only similarity was they were a premature end to a one-sided game. It's stupid to compare the two, there's no discrepancy

Why wouldn't he pause beforehand then? Why wait until he's about to get crushed and then pause? If he had technical issues throughout the game, he should have paused when it first happened.


Because sometimes, there's that malfunction right before a major battle.
Happens to me all the time. >_< Ugh, I would get into a tense situation, but mis-micro because my mouse just fails and it stops moving completely. I then rely on my touchpad... but yeah. Not cool.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
April 19 2010 01:34 GMT
#48
On April 19 2010 09:32 Roffles wrote:
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On April 19 2010 09:28 Severedevil wrote:
Flash vs. Jaedong:

-Game ended before it should, not the players' fault
-Regame if victor isn't clear
-Victor is clear
-->Game awarded to victor

Shine vs. Effort:

-Alleged equipment failure ruins game for a player
-Regame if equipment failure is real and not the player's fault, else continue (or disqualify pausing player)
-Equipment failure deemed to be real and not the player's fault
-->Regame

But it was inconclusive. It wasn't deemed to be real nor false. So do you regame still?


Can we figure out specifically what the referee found? There are people insisting that the referee did in fact find a problem with EffOrt's mouse, while you are saying that they didn't know if there was a problem or not, which is basically suggesting that they didn't find the problem, but took EffOrt's word for it.

Obviously there is a huge difference between the two options, and the validity of this decision seems to rest directly upon this difference.

That said, as has been pointed out, the comparison to Jaedong/Flash isn't fair at any rate. If we do assume there actually was a problem, and that it took a mutalisk battle to prove to EffOrt how bad it was, than I don't see the issue with calling a replay.
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Neos
Profile Joined June 2009
United States400 Posts
April 19 2010 01:48 GMT
#49
Think of it this way, You (zerg) play some other zerg on iccup and you start screwing up the same way that Effort did. Do you think it'll work if you pp while you report your game to admins asking for your points to not get taken away? Completely unjustified.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 19 2010 02:09 GMT
#50
For those who didn't watch, if Effort hadn't asked for a pause, he would have gotten raped by shine in 10 seconds. From the translations people were giving, it was said that there was a malfunction, but it couldn't be proved on what end it occurred from, so regame was the only option. However I'm pretty sure if Jeadong were in Shines position, kespa would have told Effort to GTFO and give JD the win, but no one really likes shine..
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
April 19 2010 02:10 GMT
#51
On April 19 2010 08:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
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On April 19 2010 08:25 lone_hydra wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story.

It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there.

shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once

yet shine was the one who got "robbed"



Also to Hot_Bid, Effort has never beaten Shine till after that game (4-0), after Shine's mental state was destroyed by taking victory right out of his hands (just like how Flash give up after the power outage). I mean, did you see how close the game was even though effort went 9 pool speed to Shine's 12 hatch? Effort blows chunks.


If EffOrt blows chunks why is everyone so scared of him advancing and predict EffOrt vs Flash finals?


Because some people are fucking retarded.
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 19 2010 02:11 GMT
#52
On April 19 2010 11:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 08:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:25 lone_hydra wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story.

It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there.

shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once

yet shine was the one who got "robbed"



Also to Hot_Bid, Effort has never beaten Shine till after that game (4-0), after Shine's mental state was destroyed by taking victory right out of his hands (just like how Flash give up after the power outage). I mean, did you see how close the game was even though effort went 9 pool speed to Shine's 12 hatch? Effort blows chunks.


If EffOrt blows chunks why is everyone so scared of him advancing and predict EffOrt vs Flash finals?


Because some people are fucking retarded.


Effort will devolve into 2009 mode, where his ZvP and ZvZ were unstoppable, and he NEVER lost twice in one day.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
April 19 2010 02:15 GMT
#53
It really depends on the timing of the whole thing. I wish we could see the FPVOD, and the refs damn well better have been looking at that when they made their decision.

If from the FPVOD, Effort obviously had his mouse not respond for a little bit, and he pp's IMMEDIATELY after, then being lenient with a regame.

If he waited any time to re-evaluate his position before choosing to pp, no regame. Otherwise he could freeroll his mouse malfunction.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
April 19 2010 02:57 GMT
#54
Can't we all just be happy that shine didn't advance
( ・´ー・`)
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 19 2010 03:02 GMT
#55
On April 19 2010 11:57 prototype. wrote:
Can't we all just be happy that shine didn't advance

this guys speaks the truth ;p
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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
April 19 2010 03:04 GMT
#56
yeah this is pretty bullshit i have to agree. could have paused the game. unplugged mouse, put new one in. would've taken like 30 seconds seriously.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 19 2010 03:09 GMT
#57
On April 19 2010 11:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 08:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:25 lone_hydra wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:
On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story.

It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there.

shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once

yet shine was the one who got "robbed"



Also to Hot_Bid, Effort has never beaten Shine till after that game (4-0), after Shine's mental state was destroyed by taking victory right out of his hands (just like how Flash give up after the power outage). I mean, did you see how close the game was even though effort went 9 pool speed to Shine's 12 hatch? Effort blows chunks.


If EffOrt blows chunks why is everyone so scared of him advancing and predict EffOrt vs Flash finals?


Because some people are fucking retarded.


I'm retarded for my thread based on elo ratings? K.

Personally I think ZerO > Effort is likely, but you never know with ZvZ. All that thread said was that Effort's ZvZ elo is currently higher than ZerO's.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
April 19 2010 03:13 GMT
#58
Its fucking joke man. What you said about the Flash Jaedong game and now this. Flash gets screwed against Jaedong when something out of his control with no replay occurs. The judges rule Jaedong has a solid edge. Then, Shine has at least a marginal (maybe a solid) edge against Effort and Effort's equipment just happens to malfunction at that very second? Kespa really wanted Effort to make a ro8 finally. Its bullshit and Kespa makes bias decision to let their preferred winner win.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 19 2010 03:57 GMT
#59
On April 19 2010 11:57 prototype. wrote:
Can't we all just be happy that shine didn't advance

Or go.go
wow imagine go.go in an OSL quarterfinal 0.0
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 19 2010 04:00 GMT
#60
On April 19 2010 12:57 3 Lions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 11:57 prototype. wrote:
Can't we all just be happy that shine didn't advance

Or go.go
wow imagine go.go in an OSL quarterfinal 0.0


bacchus? lol
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