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Roffles
Pitcairn16460 Posts
So yesterday, the OSL tiebreakers took FOREVER to finish. Especially group D tiebreakers between Effort/go.go/Shine. However, after spoiling myself with results and reading the interview, I'm pretty enraged at how they handled things.
First off, for those who don't know what happened, in the second round of tiebreaks, Shine defeated go.go and was in a great spot to win when Effort pps as Shine is about to attack. At the time, it looked like Effort was down in mutalisk count, as Shine put up his second gas a lot faster and it looked like Shine had a great shot at winning right there. While it wasn't 100% win chance for Shine, it did look like he was somewhat ahead at the time. However, as Effort pp'ed to pause the game, the refs come in and Effort complains that his mouse didn't function and couldn't control his scourge.
So the refs come in and check his mouse and according to some translators in stream and in the LR thread, they couldn't find conclusive evidence or some shit like that. Yet, they still gave him a regame. Fucking bullshit. Absolutely fucking bullshit. First off, I'm pretty sure that since players bring their own mice and keyboard, they're responsible for anything that happens with their equipment.
Sure you can argue that it could have been a computer issue. But realistically, how many times has your computer failed to pick up a mouse signal? Plus, with inconclusive evidence, why should they give him a fucking regame? Doesn't seem fair to the other player who was pretty much about to rape him. The timing of the pp pretty much reeked of suspicion as well. His fucking units were still moving around. Everyone fucking saw it on the replay. I'm just pissed cause I feel like Shine legitimately got robbed.
What I don't understand is: Why didn't Flash get a regame in the MSL Finals? The power outage wasn't his fault, and you could have argued that JD might have screwed up and Flash could have won. Why did Effort get a regame when a mouse issue (that could have been his fault) occured, but Flash doesn't get a regame? Fucking bullshit. Plus, the way they handled it afterwards in the post-match interviews by completely neglecting the most controversial part of the entire tiebreakers was completely disgusting.
I'm thoroughly pissed. Shine got robbed. These guys need to be more consistent with their calls.
  
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Didn't know about this until I just read it here. But, maybe they learned their lesson from the way they handled Flash vs JD. Maybe they realized that giving a regame is the best way to handle those kinds of situations, so they did it properly this time instead of dealing with a whole bunch of drama like last time.
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Braavos36097 Posts
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story.
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Sure you can argue that it could have been a computer issue. But realistically, how many times has your computer failed to pick up a mouse signal?
Never in 10 years of my computer use. Unless I didn't plug the mouse in lol.
Unfortunately I was asleep at the time, so I can't judge how far Shine was ahead, but giving a regame still seems pretty fucking retarded. Give him a new mouse and unpause the game, end of story.
I swear to god Kespa has some sort of teenage girl reverse logic, Flash should have been given a regame, because there was no other way to finish the game. Effort should not have gotten it, because you CAN FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM WITHOUT RESTARTING THE GAME.
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On April 19 2010 08:10 Roffles wrote:
What I don't understand is: Why didn't Flash get a regame in the MSL Finals? The power outage wasn't his fault, and you could have argued that JD might have screwed up and Flash could have won. Why did Effort get a regame when a mouse issue (that could have been his fault) occured, but Flash doesn't get a regame? Fucking bullshit. Plus, the way they handled it afterwards in the post-match interviews by completely neglecting the most controversial part of the entire tiebreakers was completely disgusting.
I'm thoroughly pissed. Shine got robbed. These guys need to be more consistent with their calls.
This is exactly what I thought after last night. I don't wanna spark up another argument about the MSL finals, but it really IS bullshit.
I guess the MSL and OSL work differently, but seriously, they need to come to a conclusion together as to what situation calls for a regame.
I feel just as bad for Shine here as I did for Flash.
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Roffles
Pitcairn16460 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story.
It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there.
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wow, I can't believe it TT
poor shine, I was rooting for him from the beginning
damn the people who run osl, shine deserved the win
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Completely agree. What pisses me off more is now there is a thread predicting the most likely finals to be between Effort and Flash.
I mean, if the mouse busted, that is Effort's own fucking fault. And think how many games that were played before the game in question and after the game with no comp. problems at all and no tweaking of the computer. And Effort played 2 games just fine without any problems.
He didn't pause at the start of game in question, he didn't pause when him and Shine were on equal footing, he didn't pause during the battle, he paused after he lost the battle. it was not like the mouse disconnected or anything, Effort was still microing the mutas during the battle and I could not see any real difference from how zergs usually microed.
Effort, you should never win game again, you only put in effort into how much bullshit you can use. Kespa you fail also for re-gaming without any conclusive evidence, mostly from Effort's word of mouth.
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France2061 Posts
Heh, when it's Flash and Jaedong in the MSL finals people are all over this sort of thing. When it's Effort and Shine in the sordid depths of the tiebreakers...  I gotta say, I'm just happy that go.go didn't advance. And imagine if this situation had arised when he was playing and he got a regame -- fucking scandal I say.
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is awesome31455 Posts
The mouse could have failed due to driver malfunction or for a bad port on the pc (among other reasons). That would be OGN's fault.
EffOrt wasn't 100% out. If you ever played as a Zerg you know how it's not impossible to change battles around with one good wave of scourge.
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is awesome31455 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story. It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there.
Because EffOrt already lost his scourge/muta due to mouse malfunctioning.
This is a different scenario from Flash vs JD.
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Braavos36097 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story. It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there.
shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once
yet shine was the one who got "robbed"
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United States12381 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story.
I can't imagine how you can call the person who went 2-2 against go.go the "most deserving."
Actually yeah I can. But I hope you understand my point that given this format of tiebreakers, saying "oh yeah so-and-so went 2-3 against so-and-so, there's no way you can say he was robbed" is kind of stupid.
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On April 19 2010 08:23 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story. It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there. shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once yet shine was the one who got "robbed"
Also to Hot_Bid, Effort has never beaten Shine till after that game (4-0), after Shine's mental state was destroyed by taking victory right out of his hands (just like how Flash give up after the power outage). I mean, did you see how close the game was even though effort went 9 pool speed to Shine's 12 hatch? Effort blows chunks.
And all Shine needed was that game. I repeat, Effort did not complain at the start, he did not complain when he and Shine went mirror builds, he did not complain when they were engaging, he complained when it was clear who had the major advantage.
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Roffles
Pitcairn16460 Posts
I'm aware that he only beat Effort once, but that one game he probably would have won would have catapulted him into the Ro8. And all he needed was one game.
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On April 19 2010 08:10 Roffles wrote:
So the refs come in and check his mouse and according to some translators in stream and in the LR thread, they couldn't find conclusive evidence or some shit like that. Yet, they still gave him a regame. Fucking bullshit. Absolutely fucking bullshit. First off, I'm pretty sure that since players bring their own mice and keyboard, they're responsible for anything that happens with their equipment.
Sure you can argue that it could have been a computer issue. But realistically, how many times has your computer failed to pick up a mouse signal? Plus, with inconclusive evidence, why should they give him a fucking regame? Doesn't seem fair to the other player who was pretty much about to rape him. The timing of the pp pretty much reeked of suspicion as well. His fucking units were still moving around. Everyone fucking saw it on the replay. I'm just pissed cause I feel like Shine legitimately got robbed.
I have a Razer Salmosa and it works perfectly fine most of the time, but on the rare occasion it decides to just stop working and I have to unplug and plug it back in. It's happened to me once or twice since I bought this mouse (roughly a year ago) and it happens in like the middle of games for just some random reason. I'm guessing that that's what happened to EffOrt during his match yesterday.
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is awesome31455 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:25 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story. It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there. shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once yet shine was the one who got "robbed" Also to Hot_Bid, Effort has never beaten Shine till after that game (4-0), after Shine's mental state was destroyed by taking victory right out of his hands (just like how Flash give up after the power outage). I mean, did you see how close the game was even though effort went 9 pool speed to Shine's 12 hatch? Effort blows chunks.
If EffOrt blows chunks why is everyone so scared of him advancing and predict EffOrt vs Flash finals?
Not like Shine advancing would change anything. Well yeah, maybe he would all-in one guy or two, and then die to Movie.
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This is just some OSL tiebreaker. Big deal.
The one person who truly got robbed was Flash. That was MSL FINAL and kespa guys just told him "yo noob we watched rep, you dont have a chance there, so we will award JD win, GG bye LOL"
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On April 19 2010 08:10 Roffles wrote:
But realistically, how many times has your computer failed to pick up a mouse signal?
In the middle of a Starcraft game?
Exactly once, for a period of about a minute. I paused, but not before my army died at a critical point of the game.
This shit does happen.
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On April 19 2010 08:28 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 08:25 lone_hydra wrote:On April 19 2010 08:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 19 2010 08:19 Roffles wrote:On April 19 2010 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:
it wasn't 100% for shine. the refs determined that it could have been a computer error, so they rematched. i can't imagine how you think someone who went 1-3 (ok 2-3 if you count the malfunctioning mouse game) against effort got "robbed". the player that deserved it advanced, end of story. It wasn't 100% for Shine, but it also wasn't 100% for JD as well. Yes, Shine could have lost the engagement, but why not just continue on if it's inconclusive? It's not like they had a power outage and couldn't continue like in MSL. They could have easily just pressed Resume and continued it from there. shine had 4 tries total to beat effort and only won once yet shine was the one who got "robbed" Also to Hot_Bid, Effort has never beaten Shine till after that game (4-0), after Shine's mental state was destroyed by taking victory right out of his hands (just like how Flash give up after the power outage). I mean, did you see how close the game was even though effort went 9 pool speed to Shine's 12 hatch? Effort blows chunks. If EffOrt blows chunks why is everyone so scared of him advancing and predict EffOrt vs Flash finals? Not like Shine advancing would change anything. Well yeah, maybe he would all-in one guy or two, and then die to Movie.
Who is predicting Effort vs. Flash finals? And who is this everyone you speak of?
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