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On March 10 2010 20:45 mahnini wrote:
i like the degree of control linux gives you but windows is just way too far ahead in terms of usability. even for the most obscure windows programs it's as simple as run installer -> finished. for linux you have to go through readmes and junk if you find that it doesnt have an installer and while that's all fun and dandy when you have spare time sometimes you really just want / need things to work.
that being said i really like how robust the default file manager was with ubuntu and gnome is so minimalistic and customizable. oh and they have virtual desktops which is sooooo useful if you just have one monitor.
Did you read the OP?
You dont need to read any man pages unless you need to develope something, or need something really special.
And if you need it, al man pages are alredy there, and the comunity is so fucken awesome, that any problem can be solve by just being good mannered.
And I use skype in linux, it kick ass, is way more stable and faster than the windows version. And i didnt need to config a shit, just installed it (I downloaded a deb package from the skype site and double clicked it... of course i could get it from repositories, but who cares, i wanted the last version.)
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On March 10 2010 22:45 Manit0u wrote:
And I really don't understand so many people here bitching about poor hardware support in it... I've yet to experience a SINGLE problem with that and I tried it out on various computers with various configuration. Oh, and Photoshop works flawlessly under Linux. The problems come when you need to do something in C# since Mono is a bit behind.
"I have yet to experience it" is a very flawed argument to prove that something does not exist  If you want to experience what people are talking about, get an ATi HD4800 series card and try to make it work in your SuSE with proprietary drivers.
And be honest, have you been using Photoshop, trying to stay on the latest version, extensively under Linux for any considerable time? "One can make it start if they try hard enough" is hardly equal to "it works flawlessly".
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I always wanted to try Linux but since i got a legit Seven pro 64 for free i just feel too lazy now.
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Does it run all programs and games properly? That would be my main concern and why I'd never want a mac even if it is superior in other ways.
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haha
windows is a much, much better operating system at the moment (and for the foreseeable future)
Like others have outlined already, unlike Linux, Windows "just works". That means at worst i have to run an installer and i'm good to go. My experience with gutsy ubuntu (fairly recent) was fraught with editing text files, searching for guides on how to do things and recovering my data when i inevitably fucked up. These weren't minor things too, these were show-stopping problems, like wireless not being consistent, my ati gfx card not functioning properly (and it wasn't even blacklisted!!) and my external hardware just plain ignored.
It's a friggin' nightmare. Choosing my hardware carefully? Screw that, I can use windows and it just works. Worst case scenario? Run an installer. No hours of googling, none of that bullshit.
And this comes up over and over and over again. Want to run a game? Get ready to spend hours figuring out why the fuck it crashes at the menu or runs at 2fps. Want to find some windows equivalents? good luck, the majority of them are unfinished, unpolished and not nearly as functional.
In the end I got it all to work. I'm a very patient person.
Then I wanted to try a new game. I wanted to run some new software. I got a new printer. And I realized: fuck, i have to go through this again?
So I went back to windows. 8 months well spent on linux, but it's not anywhere close to being usable for anyone that doesn't have time to read guides and google for hours on how to fix your stuff. Sorry to burst your bubble >.<
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The lack of applications is what kills Linux for me. OOO is a piece of crap, and there is really no good alternative to MSFT Excel. Flash on Linux is terrabad as well (not great, but better on Windows).
For average users, Windows is definitely, by far, the most suitable OS.
For developers (like me) who still use 3rd party applications, Mac is superior.
For devs who only do dev, Linux is probably better.
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On March 11 2010 09:32 JeeJee wrote:
haha
windows is a much, much better operating system at the moment (and for the foreseeable future)
Like others have outlined already, unlike Linux, Windows "just works". That means at worst i have to run an installer and i'm good to go. My experience with gutsy ubuntu (fairly recent) was fraught with editing text files, searching for guides on how to do things and recovering my data when i inevitably fucked up. These weren't minor things too, these were show-stopping problems, like wireless not being consistent, my ati gfx card not functioning properly (and it wasn't even blacklisted!!) and my external hardware just plain ignored.
It's a friggin' nightmare. Choosing my hardware carefully? Screw that, I can use windows and it just works. Worst case scenario? Run an installer. No hours of googling, none of that bullshit.
And this comes up over and over and over again. Want to run a game? Get ready to spend hours figuring out why the fuck it crashes at the menu or runs at 2fps. Want to find some windows equivalents? good luck, the majority of them are unfinished, unpolished and not nearly as functional.
In the end I got it all to work. I'm a very patient person.
Then I wanted to try a new game. I wanted to run some new software. I got a new printer. And I realized: fuck, i have to go through this again?
So I went back to windows. 8 months well spent on linux, but it's not anywhere close to being usable for anyone that doesn't have time to read guides and google for hours on how to fix your stuff. Sorry to burst your bubble >.<
Perhaps you were using bad distro?
Distros I've used listed by increasing amount of problems I've had with them:
openSUSE < Mandriva < Ubuntu < Kubuntu
It's not like all of the distros are the same thing in a different wrapping you know...
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On March 11 2010 16:44 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2010 09:32 JeeJee wrote:
haha
windows is a much, much better operating system at the moment (and for the foreseeable future)
Like others have outlined already, unlike Linux, Windows "just works". That means at worst i have to run an installer and i'm good to go. My experience with gutsy ubuntu (fairly recent) was fraught with editing text files, searching for guides on how to do things and recovering my data when i inevitably fucked up. These weren't minor things too, these were show-stopping problems, like wireless not being consistent, my ati gfx card not functioning properly (and it wasn't even blacklisted!!) and my external hardware just plain ignored.
It's a friggin' nightmare. Choosing my hardware carefully? Screw that, I can use windows and it just works. Worst case scenario? Run an installer. No hours of googling, none of that bullshit.
And this comes up over and over and over again. Want to run a game? Get ready to spend hours figuring out why the fuck it crashes at the menu or runs at 2fps. Want to find some windows equivalents? good luck, the majority of them are unfinished, unpolished and not nearly as functional.
In the end I got it all to work. I'm a very patient person.
Then I wanted to try a new game. I wanted to run some new software. I got a new printer. And I realized: fuck, i have to go through this again?
So I went back to windows. 8 months well spent on linux, but it's not anywhere close to being usable for anyone that doesn't have time to read guides and google for hours on how to fix your stuff. Sorry to burst your bubble >.< Perhaps you were using bad distro? Distros I've used listed by increasing amount of problems I've had with them: openSUSE < Mandriva < Ubuntu < Kubuntu It's not like all of the distros are the same thing in a different wrapping you know...
It's great if it works for you. For a lot other people, though, it doesn't.
I reckon most of the animosity towards Linux comes from actual bad experiences and not some myths that need to be debunked.
As for your list, openSuSE is actually the one that caused the most problems for me. The installer wouldn't even give me mouse support and after putting up with all that I wouldn't call the first days of using it a smooth ride, either. Granted, a lot of the issues I ran into were probably more related to KDE4's unpolishedness but nonetheless, it's still part of the distro and gave me a harder time than I would have liked. Don't even get me started on the load of bullshit YaST and the package manager are, though I admit the latter had improved quite a bit from earlier versions.
Not all distros are like this. I ran through most of the popular ones and a lot of them are working really well. My favorites are Ubuntu (needs the least amount of tweaking) and Gentoo (portage is just awesome) but despite all that they still miss out on some things. I really love Linux but as I already said in my earlier post, I miss a lot more by not using Windows than I do by not using Linux.
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Guess it's just a personal experience/needs then.
If not for DoW II I'd never even consider looking at Windows again.
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Canada9720 Posts
i won't dispute that windows is definitely better for users who are in between software developers and grandmas.
but on either edge, it's better. for programming, i find no environment as enjoyable or productive as linux.
those of you speaking of bubble bursting: you don't know anything about linux. personally, i hope users who aren't programmer stay the fuck away from linux forever so i don't have to read posts like jeejee's anymore
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On March 11 2010 16:44 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2010 09:32 JeeJee wrote:
haha
windows is a much, much better operating system at the moment (and for the foreseeable future)
Like others have outlined already, unlike Linux, Windows "just works". That means at worst i have to run an installer and i'm good to go. My experience with gutsy ubuntu (fairly recent) was fraught with editing text files, searching for guides on how to do things and recovering my data when i inevitably fucked up. These weren't minor things too, these were show-stopping problems, like wireless not being consistent, my ati gfx card not functioning properly (and it wasn't even blacklisted!!) and my external hardware just plain ignored.
It's a friggin' nightmare. Choosing my hardware carefully? Screw that, I can use windows and it just works. Worst case scenario? Run an installer. No hours of googling, none of that bullshit.
And this comes up over and over and over again. Want to run a game? Get ready to spend hours figuring out why the fuck it crashes at the menu or runs at 2fps. Want to find some windows equivalents? good luck, the majority of them are unfinished, unpolished and not nearly as functional.
In the end I got it all to work. I'm a very patient person.
Then I wanted to try a new game. I wanted to run some new software. I got a new printer. And I realized: fuck, i have to go through this again?
So I went back to windows. 8 months well spent on linux, but it's not anywhere close to being usable for anyone that doesn't have time to read guides and google for hours on how to fix your stuff. Sorry to burst your bubble >.< Perhaps you were using bad distro? Distros I've used listed by increasing amount of problems I've had with them: openSUSE < Mandriva < Ubuntu < Kubuntu It's not like all of the distros are the same thing in a different wrapping you know...
i have said i used ubuntu's gutsy
and at this:those of you speaking of bubble bursting: you don't know anything about linux. personally, i hope users who aren't programmer stay the fuck away from linux forever so i don't have to read posts like jeejee's anymore
fun fact i used to program for a living. and like i said, it's not like i used linux for a week or 2 and declared it garbage. i stuck it out for the better part of a year then declared it garbage.
i'm just stating the truth of my experience; sorry if it hurts.
actually maybe garbage is harsh. let's say unpolished.
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