Rofl, I wasn't saying that the genres that you don't listen to provide the rest of the depth. I was saying that the shit you have listed are seriously only the tip of music in general regardless of genre. It's obvious that you yourself are not well versed in music just from reading your posts, and that's why I find it absolutely hilarious that you have the nerve to belittle the music taste of others.
Even if someone is extremely well versed in music, they still have no reason to belittle the taste of others. The arts are subjective, and everyone has different preferences. Besides, most people don't listen to music, they just hear it. These people don't truly have a deep interest in music, and it's ridiculous to derail them for it. That's like derailing a casual gamer for not knowing how to wavedash in SSBM. Except here, it's more like you derailing a casual US East gamer for not playing on ICCUP when you're only a D player.
On October 15 2009 08:43 Mora wrote: aren't you the dude who got 30/30 on that mensa test?
really? Wonder Girls?
SNSD is better imo. What does that have to do with anything
sorry, it's distasteful of me to charge into your blog and to make fun of you. I just truly don't understand the appeal of kpop. It's completely mind-baffling.
When i was in junior high school it was annoying enough to see all the popular girls running around screaming about the Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls, but at least they were stupid blonde ditzes, so it didn't really get to me.
To see someone with intelligence (or at least implied intelligence) admire/enjoy such shallow empty music is again, baffling. Those girls from my high school had an excuse - they didn't know any better. But with intelligent individuals i'm just left wondering.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Wow. Seriously? I wasn't going to post anything until what you said in your last sentence.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Completely off-topic: Talk about buying into stereotypes. You know, I used (and still do, to some extent) to get the exact treatment that he is getting right now from you. People would always be baffled that I (salutorian at my high school and currently at a Top 10 university) enjoyed RnB or hip-hop and would be outright surprised that I don't listen to much classical music at all. And so I ask, well, why the hell not?
People are so intent these days on categorizing "intellectual" or "intelligent" people that they lose track of the fact that MANY people are in fact - hold your breath on this one - normal!. Who would've thought that the so-called smart people have their own preferences in music, as opposed to what people stereotype their preferences to be! They must not be who they say they are if they don't listen to what they're supposed to be. God forbid, if a supposed "intelligent individual" listens to music by the Spice Girls they should absolutely stop it right at this moment: they should KNOW better than to listen to such trash music!
sorry to get you so riled up.
But i guess to be honest, i think you should listen to classical music. There's incredible beauty and depth found in classical music, and while the taste may be an acquired one, i think it's worth acquiring. I'm not well-versed in classical music, and i'm certainly not trying to hold you up to 'unfair stereotypes' due your intelligence, hell, i haven't even graduated from high-school, so i'm certainly not an intellectual, nor am i qualified to give voice on such matters. But there is value in classical music, just as i think there is similar value found in RnB, hip-hop, and rap music.
I was not trying to create a dichotomy between classical music and everything else, but more trying to (albeit not hard enough, and completely failing to) express that i don't see what the attraction is in kpop. I was presumptuous in my implying that there was no value to be found, when i should have instead asked a fan to explain it to me. I did not appreciate classical music until a few of my friends introduced me to their favourite pieces, and why they were their favourites. The same can be said for my favourite band, Radiohead, who i absolutely despised until i was also encouraged to explore their music further. The same can be said for The Beatles, Pink Floyd, rap, and folk music, among others.
I like all kinds of music except for mainstream country (ie: i love folk music, but hate country), kpop, and teen-pop, pretty much. I just don't understand the appeal of those genres.
Enlighten me.
Why should we have to 'enlighten' you?
You don't have to enlighten me. It's up to you. If you'd like to share your joy of kpop music with someone who is largely open to all styles of music but has thus-far been unable to enjoy kpop, then please do so!
If you don't find me worth your time, by all means, don't waste it.
I'm not *that* bored. I'm also a great advocate of people going and doing the research themselves instead of having it spoon-fed to them. A list of artists I would recommend for experiencing the most diverse amount of Korean music include;
Urban Humming Stereo. Yozoh. W&Whale. Crying Nut. No Brain. The Trax. Epik high. Lee Ssang. SG Wannabe. Super Junior. Big Bang. Dong Bang Shin Ki. SHINee (mainly for Jonghyun's vocal talents.) SS501. SNSD. K Will. Outsider. Taegoon. Wheesung. Shinhwa. H.O.T. G.O.D. Seo Taji. 2PM/2AM/One Day. Kangta (and Vaness Wu if you want a laugh.) Anything indies including bands which only play festivals and don't have a large domestic commercial presence. These are harder to source though. Traditional Korean folk/court music. Trot. (For the record Trot is *not* one of my preferences. I do find it quite funny though.)
These are only my preferences, but they're a good starting point. (LOL After saying I wouldn't enlighten you I'm doing it anyway. Maybe I am that bored....)
First, grats l10f for getting to see WG in person - and getting a few autographs! Seeing the celebrities IRL is a whole new fresh experience (I've seen a few IRL - and a member of SujuM is a high school friend of mine) and probably a pleasant one overall.
Being an SNSD fan, I am going to say outright that SNSD is better. xD but it doesn't mean if WG somehow shows up where I live, I'm not going to see them - being a fan of one group doesn't make you anti- for all other groups.
I think the reason JYP sent WG overseas is because he saw that with the massive uprise of more talented girl groups in the kpop scene (it was already getting tough for WG to compete against both SNSD and Kara, then now there's 2NE1, 4minute, Afterschool, Tiara, f(x), etc.). Not going to lie, and JYP probably knows it himself, WG is bottom 2 or 3 if a group was judged solely on live singing. Smart business move to get them out of Korea and market them somewhere else, and most of the news so far seems to indicate that WG had moderate success here - I'm happy for them.
For tastes in music - it's whatever you want! There are studies done that say listening to Mozart helps you study better, classical is good, blablabla, but then so what? I'd argue that listening to the music you like is much better for your /whatever purposes/ than any other generic "genius" music (i.e. fugues by Bach, which are structurally "perfect" with some exceptions <- arrr don't pick me on this, I haven't been analyzing music for years). I mean, not to be boastful or anything, but I consider myself a pretty intelligent human being (also happen to have an ARCT for piano performance - it's a music conservatory graduate degree) and I'm a huge fan of Asian pop (K/J/C) and also a huge Muse fan (yay Muse! their new album was sort of disappointing though).
Mora really doesn't deserve all the hate that he's been getting. He's already apologized for being brusque with his opinion about kpop, but hey, that's what taste in music is - an opinion. I myself hate kpop for the same reasons Mora does, that I simply don't like the cheap lyrics and bad singing but hey, that's my opinion.
On October 15 2009 08:43 Mora wrote: aren't you the dude who got 30/30 on that mensa test?
really? Wonder Girls?
SNSD is better imo. What does that have to do with anything
sorry, it's distasteful of me to charge into your blog and to make fun of you. I just truly don't understand the appeal of kpop. It's completely mind-baffling.
When i was in junior high school it was annoying enough to see all the popular girls running around screaming about the Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls, but at least they were stupid blonde ditzes, so it didn't really get to me.
To see someone with intelligence (or at least implied intelligence) admire/enjoy such shallow empty music is again, baffling. Those girls from my high school had an excuse - they didn't know any better. But with intelligent individuals i'm just left wondering.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Wow. Seriously? I wasn't going to post anything until what you said in your last sentence.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Completely off-topic: Talk about buying into stereotypes. You know, I used (and still do, to some extent) to get the exact treatment that he is getting right now from you. People would always be baffled that I (salutorian at my high school and currently at a Top 10 university) enjoyed RnB or hip-hop and would be outright surprised that I don't listen to much classical music at all. And so I ask, well, why the hell not?
People are so intent these days on categorizing "intellectual" or "intelligent" people that they lose track of the fact that MANY people are in fact - hold your breath on this one - normal!. Who would've thought that the so-called smart people have their own preferences in music, as opposed to what people stereotype their preferences to be! They must not be who they say they are if they don't listen to what they're supposed to be. God forbid, if a supposed "intelligent individual" listens to music by the Spice Girls they should absolutely stop it right at this moment: they should KNOW better than to listen to such trash music!
sorry to get you so riled up.
But i guess to be honest, i think you should listen to classical music. There's incredible beauty and depth found in classical music, and while the taste may be an acquired one, i think it's worth acquiring. I'm not well-versed in classical music, and i'm certainly not trying to hold you up to 'unfair stereotypes' due your intelligence, hell, i haven't even graduated from high-school, so i'm certainly not an intellectual, nor am i qualified to give voice on such matters. But there is value in classical music, just as i think there is similar value found in RnB, hip-hop, and rap music.
I was not trying to create a dichotomy between classical music and everything else, but more trying to (albeit not hard enough, and completely failing to) express that i don't see what the attraction is in kpop. I was presumptuous in my implying that there was no value to be found, when i should have instead asked a fan to explain it to me. I did not appreciate classical music until a few of my friends introduced me to their favourite pieces, and why they were their favourites. The same can be said for my favourite band, Radiohead, who i absolutely despised until i was also encouraged to explore their music further. The same can be said for The Beatles, Pink Floyd, rap, and folk music, among others.
I like all kinds of music except for mainstream country (ie: i love folk music, but hate country), kpop, and teen-pop, pretty much. I just don't understand the appeal of those genres.
Enlighten me.
Why should we have to 'enlighten' you?
You don't have to enlighten me. It's up to you. If you'd like to share your joy of kpop music with someone who is largely open to all styles of music but has thus-far been unable to enjoy kpop, then please do so!
If you don't find me worth your time, by all means, don't waste it.
I'm not *that* bored. I'm also a great advocate of people going and doing the research themselves instead of having it spoon-fed to them. A list of artists I would recommend for experiencing the most diverse amount of Korean music include;
Urban Humming Stereo. Yozoh. W&Whale. Crying Nut. No Brain. The Trax. Epik high. Lee Ssang. SG Wannabe. Super Junior. Big Bang. Dong Bang Shin Ki. SHINee (mainly for Jonghyun's vocal talents.) SS501. SNSD. K Will. Outsider. Taegoon. Wheesung. Shinhwa. H.O.T. G.O.D. Seo Taji. 2PM/2AM/One Day. Kangta (and Vaness Wu if you want a laugh.) Anything indies including bands which only play festivals and don't have a large domestic commercial presence. These are harder to source though. Traditional Korean folk/court music. Trot. (For the record Trot is *not* one of my preferences. I do find it quite funny though.)
These are only my preferences, but they're a good starting point. (LOL After saying I wouldn't enlighten you I'm doing it anyway. Maybe I am that bored....)
I approve. Not that it means anything but I'm 육촌 with DBSK's Yunho! (Grandma's sibling's grandson)
Although you're really not related past 사촌
On October 15 2009 10:31 koreasilver wrote: Outsider's first album was so good.
Then his second album was absolutely wretched. ):
I memorized Outsider - Loner by heart. Will be singing it for TL idol if I have time in the next couple of days!
On October 15 2009 10:32 ilovezil wrote: Mora really doesn't deserve all the hate that he's been getting. He's already apologized for being brusque with his opinion about kpop, but hey, that's what taste in music is - an opinion. I myself hate kpop for the same reasons Mora does, that I simply don't like the cheap lyrics and bad singing but hey, that's my opinion.
Take that stick out of your ass, folks.
Oh come on, if you tell people to listen to classical when you yourself don't know classical much, then derail their musical taste while spewing some absolute nonsense about intelligence and music taste you deserve to get a swift kick. I really don't like most Korean music either, but you don't see me derailing every kpop thread while telling people to listen to serialism or some shit like that.
On October 15 2009 08:43 Mora wrote: aren't you the dude who got 30/30 on that mensa test?
really? Wonder Girls?
SNSD is better imo. What does that have to do with anything
sorry, it's distasteful of me to charge into your blog and to make fun of you. I just truly don't understand the appeal of kpop. It's completely mind-baffling.
When i was in junior high school it was annoying enough to see all the popular girls running around screaming about the Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls, but at least they were stupid blonde ditzes, so it didn't really get to me.
To see someone with intelligence (or at least implied intelligence) admire/enjoy such shallow empty music is again, baffling. Those girls from my high school had an excuse - they didn't know any better. But with intelligent individuals i'm just left wondering.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Wow. Seriously? I wasn't going to post anything until what you said in your last sentence.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Completely off-topic: Talk about buying into stereotypes. You know, I used (and still do, to some extent) to get the exact treatment that he is getting right now from you. People would always be baffled that I (salutorian at my high school and currently at a Top 10 university) enjoyed RnB or hip-hop and would be outright surprised that I don't listen to much classical music at all. And so I ask, well, why the hell not?
People are so intent these days on categorizing "intellectual" or "intelligent" people that they lose track of the fact that MANY people are in fact - hold your breath on this one - normal!. Who would've thought that the so-called smart people have their own preferences in music, as opposed to what people stereotype their preferences to be! They must not be who they say they are if they don't listen to what they're supposed to be. God forbid, if a supposed "intelligent individual" listens to music by the Spice Girls they should absolutely stop it right at this moment: they should KNOW better than to listen to such trash music!
sorry to get you so riled up.
But i guess to be honest, i think you should listen to classical music. There's incredible beauty and depth found in classical music, and while the taste may be an acquired one, i think it's worth acquiring. I'm not well-versed in classical music, and i'm certainly not trying to hold you up to 'unfair stereotypes' due your intelligence, hell, i haven't even graduated from high-school, so i'm certainly not an intellectual, nor am i qualified to give voice on such matters. But there is value in classical music, just as i think there is similar value found in RnB, hip-hop, and rap music.
I was not trying to create a dichotomy between classical music and everything else, but more trying to (albeit not hard enough, and completely failing to) express that i don't see what the attraction is in kpop. I was presumptuous in my implying that there was no value to be found, when i should have instead asked a fan to explain it to me. I did not appreciate classical music until a few of my friends introduced me to their favourite pieces, and why they were their favourites. The same can be said for my favourite band, Radiohead, who i absolutely despised until i was also encouraged to explore their music further. The same can be said for The Beatles, Pink Floyd, rap, and folk music, among others.
I like all kinds of music except for mainstream country (ie: i love folk music, but hate country), kpop, and teen-pop, pretty much. I just don't understand the appeal of those genres.
Enlighten me.
Why should we have to 'enlighten' you?
You don't have to enlighten me. It's up to you. If you'd like to share your joy of kpop music with someone who is largely open to all styles of music but has thus-far been unable to enjoy kpop, then please do so!
If you don't find me worth your time, by all means, don't waste it.
I'm not *that* bored. I'm also a great advocate of people going and doing the research themselves instead of having it spoon-fed to them. A list of artists I would recommend for experiencing the most diverse amount of Korean music include;
Urban Humming Stereo. Yozoh. W&Whale. Crying Nut. No Brain. The Trax. Epik high. Lee Ssang. SG Wannabe. Super Junior. Big Bang. Dong Bang Shin Ki. SHINee (mainly for Jonghyun's vocal talents.) SS501. SNSD. K Will. Outsider. Taegoon. Wheesung. Shinhwa. H.O.T. G.O.D. Seo Taji. 2PM/2AM/One Day. Kangta (and Vaness Wu if you want a laugh.) Anything indies including bands which only play festivals and don't have a large domestic commercial presence. These are harder to source though. Traditional Korean folk/court music. Trot. (For the record Trot is *not* one of my preferences. I do find it quite funny though.)
These are only my preferences, but they're a good starting point. (LOL After saying I wouldn't enlighten you I'm doing it anyway. Maybe I am that bored....)
I approve. Not that it means anything but I'm 육촌 with DBSK's Yunho! (Grandma's sibling's grandson)
On October 15 2009 10:31 koreasilver wrote: Outsider's first album was so good.
Then his second album was absolutely wretched. ):
I memorized Outsider - Loner by heart. Will be singing it for TL idol if I have time in the next couple of days!
Are you talking about 외톨이? Meh, "maestro" was a really big let down of this year for me. "Soliloquist" was such a brutally honest and uncompromised album which made it such an amazing album, but "maestro" was the complete opposite. I was actually pretty angry the first time I sat down and listened to it because Outsider is one of the few Korean artists I really enjoy. Oh well.
On October 15 2009 08:43 Mora wrote: aren't you the dude who got 30/30 on that mensa test?
really? Wonder Girls?
SNSD is better imo. What does that have to do with anything
sorry, it's distasteful of me to charge into your blog and to make fun of you. I just truly don't understand the appeal of kpop. It's completely mind-baffling.
When i was in junior high school it was annoying enough to see all the popular girls running around screaming about the Backstreet Boys and Spice Girls, but at least they were stupid blonde ditzes, so it didn't really get to me.
To see someone with intelligence (or at least implied intelligence) admire/enjoy such shallow empty music is again, baffling. Those girls from my high school had an excuse - they didn't know any better. But with intelligent individuals i'm just left wondering.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Wow. Seriously? I wasn't going to post anything until what you said in your last sentence.
Shouldn't you be playing mozart or something?
Completely off-topic: Talk about buying into stereotypes. You know, I used (and still do, to some extent) to get the exact treatment that he is getting right now from you. People would always be baffled that I (salutorian at my high school and currently at a Top 10 university) enjoyed RnB or hip-hop and would be outright surprised that I don't listen to much classical music at all. And so I ask, well, why the hell not?
People are so intent these days on categorizing "intellectual" or "intelligent" people that they lose track of the fact that MANY people are in fact - hold your breath on this one - normal!. Who would've thought that the so-called smart people have their own preferences in music, as opposed to what people stereotype their preferences to be! They must not be who they say they are if they don't listen to what they're supposed to be. God forbid, if a supposed "intelligent individual" listens to music by the Spice Girls they should absolutely stop it right at this moment: they should KNOW better than to listen to such trash music!
sorry to get you so riled up.
But i guess to be honest, i think you should listen to classical music. There's incredible beauty and depth found in classical music, and while the taste may be an acquired one, i think it's worth acquiring. I'm not well-versed in classical music, and i'm certainly not trying to hold you up to 'unfair stereotypes' due your intelligence, hell, i haven't even graduated from high-school, so i'm certainly not an intellectual, nor am i qualified to give voice on such matters. But there is value in classical music, just as i think there is similar value found in RnB, hip-hop, and rap music.
I was not trying to create a dichotomy between classical music and everything else, but more trying to (albeit not hard enough, and completely failing to) express that i don't see what the attraction is in kpop. I was presumptuous in my implying that there was no value to be found, when i should have instead asked a fan to explain it to me. I did not appreciate classical music until a few of my friends introduced me to their favourite pieces, and why they were their favourites. The same can be said for my favourite band, Radiohead, who i absolutely despised until i was also encouraged to explore their music further. The same can be said for The Beatles, Pink Floyd, rap, and folk music, among others.
I like all kinds of music except for mainstream country (ie: i love folk music, but hate country), kpop, and teen-pop, pretty much. I just don't understand the appeal of those genres.
Enlighten me.
Why should we have to 'enlighten' you?
You don't have to enlighten me. It's up to you. If you'd like to share your joy of kpop music with someone who is largely open to all styles of music but has thus-far been unable to enjoy kpop, then please do so!
If you don't find me worth your time, by all means, don't waste it.
I'm not *that* bored. I'm also a great advocate of people going and doing the research themselves instead of having it spoon-fed to them. A list of artists I would recommend for experiencing the most diverse amount of Korean music include;
Urban Humming Stereo. Yozoh. W&Whale. Crying Nut. No Brain. The Trax. Epik high. Lee Ssang. SG Wannabe. Super Junior. Big Bang. Dong Bang Shin Ki. SHINee (mainly for Jonghyun's vocal talents.) SS501. SNSD. K Will. Outsider. Taegoon. Wheesung. Shinhwa. H.O.T. G.O.D. Seo Taji. 2PM/2AM/One Day. Kangta (and Vaness Wu if you want a laugh.) Anything indies including bands which only play festivals and don't have a large domestic commercial presence. These are harder to source though. Traditional Korean folk/court music. Trot. (For the record Trot is *not* one of my preferences. I do find it quite funny though.)
These are only my preferences, but they're a good starting point. (LOL After saying I wouldn't enlighten you I'm doing it anyway. Maybe I am that bored....)
I approve. Not that it means anything but I'm 육촌 with DBSK's Yunho! (Grandma's sibling's grandson)
Although you're really not related past 사촌
On October 15 2009 10:31 koreasilver wrote: Outsider's first album was so good.
Then his second album was absolutely wretched. ):
I memorized Outsider - Loner by heart. Will be singing it for TL idol if I have time in the next couple of days!
Are you talking about 외톨이? Meh, "maestro" was a really big let down of this year for me. "Soliloquist" was such a brutally honest and uncompromised album which made it such an amazing album, but "maestro" was the complete opposite. I was actually pretty angry the first time I sat down and listened to it because Outsider is one of the few Korean artists I really enjoy. Oh well.
yes 외톨이
I still have to memorize the intro and the instrumental part that are not actually part of the song.. If I remember correctly something like
Oh hey!!! Wonder Girls are still around the NY-NJ area?!?!? I wanna go meet them!!! Well.... not really... but still, it would be interesting though....
That being said, I really lost interest in WG for quite a while.... I'm a big time SNSD fan now.... and oh, I only plan to meet celebrities when I become famous and a celebrity myself so I have a better shot at them ^_^
On October 15 2009 11:43 QuickStriker wrote: and oh, I only plan to meet celebrities when I become famous and a celebrity myself so I have a better shot at them ^_^
Why would a celebrity want another celebrity? They wanna marry rich ahjussas and rich ahjummas, not another poor celebrity.
On October 15 2009 11:43 QuickStriker wrote: and oh, I only plan to meet celebrities when I become famous and a celebrity myself so I have a better shot at them ^_^
Why would a celebrity want another celebrity? They wanna marry rich ahjussas and rich ahjummas, not another poor celebrity.
yep. in five or so years you are going to see all of snsd except hyoyeon in a relationship/married to old fogies.
On October 15 2009 11:43 QuickStriker wrote: and oh, I only plan to meet celebrities when I become famous and a celebrity myself so I have a better shot at them ^_^
Why would a celebrity want another celebrity? They wanna marry rich ahjussas and rich ahjummas, not another poor celebrity.
yep. in five or so years you are going to see all of snsd except hyoyeon in a relationship/married to old fogies.
In five or so years I'll have won the lottery about 5 times, became a billionaire, and be living with Jessica
On October 15 2009 11:43 QuickStriker wrote: and oh, I only plan to meet celebrities when I become famous and a celebrity myself so I have a better shot at them ^_^
Why would a celebrity want another celebrity? They wanna marry rich ahjussas and rich ahjummas, not another poor celebrity.
yep. in five or so years you are going to see all of snsd except hyoyeon in a relationship/married to old fogies.
In five or so years I'll have won the lottery about 5 times, became a billionaire, and be living with Jessica
EPT
(Grandma's sibling's grandson)
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