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On May 31 2011 07:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:57 Rean wrote:
Sigh. This is silly. The dog appears to be some kind of guard dog, so i'm guessing he acts like a watcher/tracker or something like that. Useful later on, a waste of time for now.
As for the LAL plan: no. You lynch people when there is a good reason to do so, not simply because you lied. There could be many reasons that town would be lying, and blindly lynching them for it is not a good idea.
The list is unneccesary. People should be capable of deciding for themself who is worth protecting or inspecting, you don't need someone holding your hand telling you what to do.
Oh, and props for whoever thought up the dog role, that's just hilarious. Actually, reading through what Ace said, he actually said the list should be avoided by DTs. The entire point of it, is that it creates pressure on the people on the list to act pro-town, and also, as people on the list die, the pressure is increased, letting glaring scum slips show.
But he said that in a framer set-up. I think a framer/GF role would be rare in this set-up since you give the role before you know alignment. But there could be role disguising roles. Generally it's better to rolecheck quieter players as a rule of thumb, since you can't analyze them as hard beyond calling them lurkers. And as a matter of course, vets become objects of scrutiny.
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I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum.
About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan.
I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.
what does NoC stand for?
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Here's my list for what it's worth. To keep it in the vein of Ace's and the Zodiac, I made it 12 people.
# Mr. Wiggles
# GMarshal
# tnkted
# BloodyC0bbler
# Jackal58
# Barundar
# Meapak_Ziphh
# bumatlarge
# Rean
# kitaman27
# Node
# sandroba
This is based mostly off of meta right now, but some people, notably BC, bum, GM, san, are put on there also for their posting this game, because it's been notable for me in one way or another.
The only other thing about this list, is that I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the people here, so it's likely to change as people post and lurk, etc. As it stands, it's mostly a list of players I know can be good as scum or town, or who have had a presence in this game so far.
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kitaman27
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On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.
So you're going to alter your thread presence the moment you become under scrutiny?
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noose of condemnation
nail of caught-scum
nugget of castration
needle of carcinogenicness
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kitaman27
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On May 31 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote:
This thread is already way too spammy.
We don't need 5 pages discussing Amber's dog noises.
We don't need any further discussion of this "zodiac list" which allows people to post without contributing.
k thx.
Next person that posts a list gets lynched.
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On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum.
About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan.
I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.
what does NoC stand for?
You're getting accused of fluffy posting. Defend your ideas mostly or accept your fate! I'm not saying you are making bad posts, I'm seeing them as intentionally inflated to make it look like your saying something. Kita didn't explain his vote which he should. If someone votes for you without putting reasons, ignore them.
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On May 31 2011 08:07 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do. So you're going to alter your thread presence the moment you become under scrutiny?
I'm assuming that I'm being voted for because my actions are scummy, or at the least not pro-town. When I have a better idea of what's going on, and something to contribute, I'll speak up. I realize that spamming the thread with hollow statements of the obvious is not helpful, so I'm not going to do that. Is there a problem?
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I'm happy people started to call out Varpulis, especially experienced players, as his posting doesn't sit too well with me.
On May 31 2011 06:10 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:07 bumatlarge wrote:On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote:
BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys. I'm not loving your posting so far bro. General sweeping obvious statements. I think you'll be joining my scum list very soon, and in case I need to remind you in (order for me to beef up this post with content-less blabber) I play this game based off my scum list  Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all?
He made a valid point and you told him to come at you? I don't see why a town player would do this. No he doesn't want you to stop posting. He wants you to stop posting bad, pointless stuff.
On May 31 2011 05:56 Varpulis wrote:
mafia has plenty of KP. You can be sure of that. There's no way every single scum got a non-kp role. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some 3rd party roles though.
This is weird, I'm not so sure we can be sure mafia has plenty of kp. Also saying you wouldn't be surprised if you saw some 3rd party roles when the OP says they are a distinct possibility is kind of weird and unnecessary.
On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 04:58 Varpulis wrote:
role and alignment recieved. Decon still hasn't told me where the quicktopic is though... Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment! #1 scumspect Varp!
I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess.
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As a newer player I don't understand the purpose of the zodiac lists. Every game is different. Everyone should be under the same level of scrutiny, right?
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For what it's worth, when I have a DT role I don't check the players I'm sure are scum, I check the players whose alignment I have no clue about and can't get a good read on. It helps me stay more organized and keeps me less paranoid. Take it or leave it, but it might be a good approach to take if we're working around a town-wide "zodiac list".
I'd like to point out that redFF's posts have been largely fluffy and pointless. I don't feel comfortable FOSing him just yet, but I'd really like to see him step it up a bit.
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I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go.
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On May 31 2011 08:13 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:On May 31 2011 04:58 Varpulis wrote:
role and alignment recieved. Decon still hasn't told me where the quicktopic is though... Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment! #1 scumspect Varp! I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess.
It was said half seriously, its a pretty common scumtell that mafia make jokes about being scum, since "no scum would do that"
On lists. You people are doing it wrong, these lists are supposed to be a point of discussion, just posting names is easy. All lists need to include *reasons*. "BC is on my list because he is pro-town" is not an acceptable statement. "BC is on my list because he has tried to keep town discussion focused and promoted a good environment for scum hunting" is a good reason.
The point of this list is to provide a focal point for discussion.
For example, all the people who said they think bum is town. Why do you think this? Which posts of his indicate his 'towniness' lists without reasons are just dead words
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On May 31 2011 08:17 chaos13 wrote:
I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go.
BC posted the plan that kept us from doing pointless discussion on the pros / cons of claiming various things and got the town back on track to do real analysis. It doesn't confirm him town, but it's a move that mafia definitely wouldn't want to make.
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Woah, that bro sure got some explainin' to do.
Ya feel me? He's playing like a bitch, and not a man. Let's keep it real VarpuliS, look at these posts from early SNMMI
+ Show Spoiler +On April 16 2011 05:19 Varpulis wrote:
Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to
a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on.
b) Wait to see how things play out.
I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 16 2011 06:27 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:19 sandroba wrote:
That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me. This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious. I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing. Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though.
Gotta take a note, these are first two posts from that game, this aint the VarpuliS we're seein' here today, hell naw, this bro got something fishy goin' on.
He even does an analysis on a mafia, day 1, not afraid of nothin', that bro. I liked that man, he didn't take no shit from anyone
+ Show Spoiler +On April 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis
But now, compare it to the worthlessness that is VarpuliS this game:
On May 31 2011 05:23 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:22 chaos13 wrote:On May 31 2011 05:15 Mataza wrote:
Wait, how does Traitor even fit my initial description.
Town hates traitors and I can´t imagine people getting traitor being unsatisfied, no?
It is the exact opposite! Mole? I'm guessing something to do with either an alignment switch or an alternative win condition.
On May 31 2011 05:35 Varpulis wrote:
I think that we should claim not who we designed the role for, but what purpose the role has. This doesn't put the person with the role in any danger, and gives us a rough idea of what we have to work with. It could be as simple as
[ ] KP
[ ] Information
[ ] survivability (extra lives)
[ ] unlisted
check all that apply.
That's vague enough that nobody should be able to tell that they got the role that you're pointing out, but specific enough to be useful. I for one would like to know how many roles with DTesque powers there are.
thoughts?
Silly idea from a silly man, we don't want to tell the mafia what kind of roles we designed, we don't need to give mafia info to work with man...
On May 31 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote:
My plan could get fucked up bigtime by scum fake claiming, just like any other. I think that it's a better alternative to sandroba's plan, which I don't like.
Why don't we ditch them both? Neither is very good, I think. Later on, they could be more useful. Until crazy shit starts happening, i'm going to treat this like we're all vanilla, like Palmar suggested.
Here he's just backing off cause y'know, this VarpuliS aint got no balls, now he just afraid like a little bitch.
Then he goes on and tries to communicate with the dog for a while, that's just silly derailing, I ain't buying that shit.
And then man, the worst of all...
On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum.
About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan.
I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.
what does NoC stand for?
A goddamn excuse? A real man, a man that aint got nothin' to hide just sticks to his guns and grabs his balls of steel and says, yo, look, I'm smarter than you bro, so just shut up.
No, this bro aint no baller, this bro is a damn scum.
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On May 31 2011 08:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote:
This thread is already way too spammy.
We don't need 5 pages discussing Amber's dog noises.
We don't need any further discussion of this "zodiac list" which allows people to post without contributing.
k thx. Next person that posts a list gets lynched.
Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff.
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On May 31 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum.
About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan.
I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.
what does NoC stand for? You're getting accused of fluffy posting. Defend your ideas mostly or accept your fate! I'm not saying you are making bad posts, I'm seeing them as intentionally inflated to make it look like your saying something. Kita didn't explain his vote which he should. If someone votes for you without putting reasons, ignore them.
Alright, let me summarize what I've been saying: - Don't start shooting early. I don't want townies to die needlessly because the vigi or vigi type role doesn't like them. Wait for evidence. Simple enough
- I support LAL. I think that unless you've got a damn good reason to make something up, don't. If somebody claims without a good reason, we check him, and lynch/vigi him if he's lying. I really don't see a problem with this. There will obviously be exceptions, but I think LAL is a good guideline.
- I like the Zodiac lists, but am not qualified to make them/comment on them because i'm not familiar with most of the players
- Bum and BC have been pro town, because of their efforts to add order and keep the town on track. Following that logic, I'd add sandroba and now kita to the list. Kita has experience and is attempting to keep the thread clean. Sandroba has shown strong play in the games I've played with him.
The rest of my posts are either about a bad plan that I've abandoned or Amber.
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This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward.
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On May 31 2011 08:26 Eternalmisfit wrote:Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff.
I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list.
Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well.
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tnkted, it aint no plan that's worrying me bro, it's his blatant removal from the assertive and analytical Varpulis we saw in SNMMI
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