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On May 31 2011 09:06 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:56 bumatlarge wrote:On May 31 2011 08:29 tnkted wrote:
This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward. Deflecting without giving an alternative. Check! Lol, ok, fair enough. I think we need to set up a system of balances in this game. The chances of the mafia being unlucky enough to have given each others roles is very slim. Therefore I propose this: If somebody claims in the thread, whoever gave that role needs to look at the claim carefully. If it lies or is an entirely different role, announce you gave that person the role in the thread. This way we can catch fakeclaims. However, this won't be very effective later in the game because the people who gave the roles will be dead, and the possibility of fakeclaiming will be much less likely. For example, I'm much more inclined to trust redff1's roleclaim if nobody claims today... since everybody will read it and the real person who gave Red's role will undoubtedly counterclaim. tldr; if your person claims a fake role in thread, say so. otherwise stfu and let them be.
We're not allowed to claim what role we picked & who we picked it for until day 2, the host said. We can check RedFF's role easily though, by asking Amber. Unless they're both mafia, it'll be accurate.
Amber, is RedFF pming you?
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That's the only way to tell really.
Also, to add on to that, if RedFF tells us anything about Amber, we'll need amber to confirm that it's true. That is, if Amber isn't restricted in PMs as well -_-
A word on masons, if they exist:
Add people you think are town, to contribute to analysis, but don't be afraid to add people you are unsure of so that you can poke and prod in PM land as well. PMs are a good way to gather information as town, and so long as you don't do anything stupid (Read: Claim in PM), I don't think it can hurt but only help to find scum if they're present in a mason circle.
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD.
Ok, we have one retarded roleclaim already. We have two people with posting restrictions, we have lists lists and yet more lists and we have the beggining of a bandwagon. This town needs some help.
For the roleclaim: I'm inclined to beleive his claim is true, Amber can confirm it for us if he truly uses it. However just because we know his role doesn't mean he's clear. It would have been way better to not claim and just come out after the night phase just so you know red.
Posting restrictions: Amber's is actually pretty detrimental to the town. We've already had enough pages talking about it and I don't think we need anymore. If red's role truly does work then Amber will be able to talk then but until that point I think we should stop worry about Amber. We know what yes and no mean so we can ask him questions and we know when he's not happy with someone. As far as I'm concerned that's enough for now.
Now onto Palmar. I'd highly suggest people stop fist pounding him. The fact that he's got people to do it already is really bad imo, come on town, where is your suspiciousness. Palmar apparently has to post bro with every post which isn't a problem but we don't know the affect of responding to a fist pound so until we know what it does I think we should stop responding.
On lists: I have no idea what these lists are. If they're for dts that's just asking for a framer role. If they're for medics that's asking for the mafia to hit somewhere else. People did this in PYPI and guess what, mafia lynched a pretty obvious townie anyway.
Speaking of lynches I'm a little concerned with the group of people who are voting Varpulis. I haven't played a game with him so if this is a meta vote I'd love an explanation. Otherwise I haven't seen him do anything overtly scummy. I'm personally going to wait a bit before placing a vote. I have some suspects but I'm going to see how they act a little longer + read the thread again before persuing them.
Town really needs to calm down and stop spamming. For an example of good activity and fairly good posting look at the later half of PYPI. People should be active (obviously) and contribute (obviously) but this level of activity is actually detrimental to the town as good posts or scumtells can get lost in the general mayhem.
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I felt like Amber was the person I should be using this role on though, and I wasn't sure how to vote him without claiming, as just voting him for talking like a dog would be kind of dumb and town doesn't need to spend 5 pages discussing if im scum because I voted for Amber with bad reasoning.
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On May 31 2011 08:54 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 07:19 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Amber
*grrrr...*--->"no"
*wiggles his tail*---> "yes"
Is the above correct?
*sniff sniff...*
*woof*
*barks loudly*
*growls*
does one of these mean you suspect scum?
*whines sadly*
*lies down*
not sure about these... now for the most important question, am I going about this in the right way?
Amber: can you answer these questions for me 
*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*
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On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote:
Ok, I'm gonna claim.
I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day.
I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation.
I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest.
My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage.
I can't decide if you're joking or being serious -_-
I apologize for coming in a little late. I just finished reading all 12 pages, though honestly I skimmed through a few of them.
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On May 31 2011 09:11 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:06 tnkted wrote:On May 31 2011 08:56 bumatlarge wrote:On May 31 2011 08:29 tnkted wrote:
This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward. Deflecting without giving an alternative. Check! Lol, ok, fair enough. I think we need to set up a system of balances in this game. The chances of the mafia being unlucky enough to have given each others roles is very slim. Therefore I propose this: If somebody claims in the thread, whoever gave that role needs to look at the claim carefully. If it lies or is an entirely different role, announce you gave that person the role in the thread. This way we can catch fakeclaims. However, this won't be very effective later in the game because the people who gave the roles will be dead, and the possibility of fakeclaiming will be much less likely. For example, I'm much more inclined to trust redff1's roleclaim if nobody claims today... since everybody will read it and the real person who gave Red's role will undoubtedly counterclaim. tldr; if your person claims a fake role in thread, say so. otherwise stfu and let them be. We're not allowed to claim what role we picked & who we picked it for until day 2, the host said. We can check RedFF's role easily though, by asking Amber. Unless they're both mafia, it'll be accurate. Amber, is RedFF pming you?
*wiggles his tail*
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For people attacking me, what is so terrible about my claim? people just going -_- isn't helping anybody.
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kitaman27
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Red, is Amber allowed to talk normal in pms?
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redFF, expect your death to come shortly.
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On May 31 2011 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Red, is Amber allowed to talk normal in pms?
I pm'd him and his reply was *wiggles my tail* so i assume not. I sent him another pm asking for him to confirm my claim in the thread and also to make sure he wasn't joking about his earlier pm. It's looking like he can't talk normal in pms though. -_-
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Unless I am mistaken about us not being allowed to roleclaim until Day 2, ?
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On May 31 2011 09:24 Cthsazsa wrote:
redFF, expect your death to come shortly.
*grrr....*
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redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on.
This leads me to think you might be scum.
redFF scum, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it.
-redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2
redFF scum, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue
redFF town, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however.
-redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie.
redFF town, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly
So, to sum up my thoughts:
1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow.
2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role.
3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them.
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On May 31 2011 09:25 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Red, is Amber allowed to talk normal in pms? I pm'd him and his reply was *wiggles my tail* so i assume not. I sent him another pm asking for him to confirm my claim in the thread and also to make sure he wasn't joking about his earlier pm. It's looking like he can't talk normal in pms though. -_-
*wiggles my tail*
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On May 31 2011 09:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
Unless I am mistaken about us not being allowed to roleclaim until Day 2, ?
we aren't allowed to talk about who's role we picked, decon said nothing about roleclaiming. Try harder.
He just pm'd me again with a *grrr* when i asked if he was kidding. So yeah he can't talk normal in pm land either. Amber if your role pm doesn't explicitly say you have to talk like a dog in pms i think you will be fine to talk normally.
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On May 31 2011 09:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:24 Cthsazsa wrote:
redFF, expect your death to come shortly. *grrr....*
This doesn't make sense to me either. You seem to have a problem with redFF being killed. You should have no reason not to suspect him as scum, however.
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Okay, finally caught up.
So far I'm seeing a lot of people judging from previous experience/previous games. While this leaves me feeling at a disadvantage due to only playing the one game, I also feel like I have an ADVANTAGE because I can view the thread objectively and take peoples posts at face value.
That being said, I'd like to answer some questions I've seen floating about.
@GM
First, I think that YOU appear to be the most pro-town right now because you seem to be the MOST focused on scum-hunting. Everyone else is concerned about thread cleanliness and order, which is nice, but you appear to be one of the only people actively asking questions and trying to get telling information from anyone. Cheers.
Second, I have hardly any expectations about who should and shouldn't have posted by now. The only game I've played had a few active players and a few who hardly posted anything, so it's hard to say. Going back and reading the other games isn't the same. I remember with vivid detail how long between certain responses from the game I was actively engaged in...it's different viewing it from the outside.
@Palmar
Given the nature of the game, I'm wary of giving you any kind of pounding of fists until I understand your role better, no offense....so don't ask.
@redFF
If your claim is real, I like it. Amber appears to have a lot of street cred in the mafia forums; but make sure that before you pursue any further actual action, you consider that the posting restriction might extend into the PMs you'd get to share.
@everyone making lists
Stop it. Unless it's a list about the happenings INSIDE THIS THREAD, I for one am NOT interested. I'm assuming EVERYONE is EQUALLY badass at this game...and as such, everyone would be on my list. If you want to make a list, make a list of instances x player contradicted himself in posts in this game...or a list of people that Palmar has tried to get a bro-fist from. These are more telling than lists of people who may or may not be good mafia members in theory.
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Amber, will you be forced to post like this the whole game, or at some point will you be able to speak normally?
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I wanted to try and use my role for something useful. I have no reason to randomly be able to pm someone who looks like they are getting lynched because if they are town they will say everything in the thread and if they are scum then they won't tell me anything useful. My claim was an attempt at allowing Amber to tell us what was going on and contribute his thoughts to the discussion.
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