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On May 31 2011 09:28 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
Unless I am mistaken about us not being allowed to roleclaim until Day 2, ? we aren't allowed to talk about who's role we picked, decon said nothing about roleclaiming. Try harder. He just pm'd me again with a *grrr* when i asked if he was kidding. So yeah he can't talk normal in pm land either. Amber if your role pm doesn't explicitly say you have to talk like a dog in pms i think you will be fine to talk normally.
*grrr...*
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EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.
Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game?
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Perhaps it is like how someone suggested earlier, he has a list of everyone'es alignment, but can only speak dog?
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Also cthsazsa how about you contribute instead of try and get me modkilled?
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On May 31 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.
Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game?
*wiggles my tail*
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On May 31 2011 09:31 redFF wrote:
Also cthsazsa how about you contribute instead of try and get me modkilled?
On May 31 2011 09:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
Unless I am mistaken about us not being allowed to roleclaim until Day 2, ?
Not trying, bud.
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On May 31 2011 09:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD.
Ok, we have one retarded roleclaim already. We have two people with posting restrictions, we have lists lists and yet more lists and we have the beggining of a bandwagon. This town needs some help.
For the roleclaim: I'm inclined to beleive his claim is true, Amber can confirm it for us if he truly uses it. However just because we know his role doesn't mean he's clear. It would have been way better to not claim and just come out after the night phase just so you know red.
Posting restrictions: Amber's is actually pretty detrimental to the town. We've already had enough pages talking about it and I don't think we need anymore. If red's role truly does work then Amber will be able to talk then but until that point I think we should stop worry about Amber. We know what yes and no mean so we can ask him questions and we know when he's not happy with someone. As far as I'm concerned that's enough for now.
Now onto Palmar. I'd highly suggest people stop fist pounding him. The fact that he's got people to do it already is really bad imo, come on town, where is your suspiciousness. Palmar apparently has to post bro with every post which isn't a problem but we don't know the affect of responding to a fist pound so until we know what it does I think we should stop responding.
On lists: I have no idea what these lists are. If they're for dts that's just asking for a framer role. If they're for medics that's asking for the mafia to hit somewhere else. People did this in PYPI and guess what, mafia lynched a pretty obvious townie anyway.
Speaking of lynches I'm a little concerned with the group of people who are voting Varpulis. I haven't played a game with him so if this is a meta vote I'd love an explanation. Otherwise I haven't seen him do anything overtly scummy. I'm personally going to wait a bit before placing a vote. I have some suspects but I'm going to see how they act a little longer + read the thread again before persuing them.
Town really needs to calm down and stop spamming. For an example of good activity and fairly good posting look at the later half of PYPI. People should be active (obviously) and contribute (obviously) but this level of activity is actually detrimental to the town as good posts or scumtells can get lost in the general mayhem.
Might as well merge the roleclaim and amber situation together. red already claimed and if amber has anything to offer red can tell us. Bam, dealt with. I haven't really noticed palmar's thing but that fistpound thing definitely reeks of his role. But I highly doubt its something scum beneficial, like a suicide bomber or something. Rather he gets to do something with the people he fistpounded with, or maybe he can check one.
I've explained my reasons on varp, and I think palmar did a good job with a detailed analysis. I dont have anything else on anyone. I'll change it to someone scummier when that someone pops up. And yes less spam = good. Welcome to the zodiac list wooooooooooo....
I still highly doubt a framer role, unless people are saying they made them :/
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On May 31 2011 09:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.
Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game? *wiggles my tail*
Then I'm not sure why we should keep a player around who can't analyze or be analyzed. Either you're a town player who has no value to us or a lying scum.
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kitaman27
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On May 31 2011 09:30 redFF wrote:
I wanted to try and use my role for something useful. I have no reason to randomly be able to pm someone who looks like they are getting lynched because if they are town they will say everything in the thread and if they are scum then they won't tell me anything useful. My claim was an attempt at allowing Amber to tell us what was going on and contribute his thoughts to the discussion.
Mason is a powerful role. To be able to compare notes with someone in a private conversation is incredibly useful. Talking with multiple people will allow you to coordinate plans and discover connections that are not present in the thread. If you target a scum, it forces them to respond, removing their ability to lurk. They are far more likely to slip up in private messages and you can get a better idea of their motives. Its not as useless as you seem to think.
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Oh also if you are getting lynched explain your role to us before you die so we dont have to try and figure out what something like "badass motherfucker" means.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2011 09:26 chaos13 wrote:
redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on.
This leads me to think you might be scum.
redFF scum, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it.
-redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2
redFF scum, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue
redFF town, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however.
-redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie.
redFF town, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly
So, to sum up my thoughts:
1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow.
2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role.
3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2011 09:20 redFF wrote:
I felt like Amber was the person I should be using this role on though, and I wasn't sure how to vote him without claiming, as just voting him for talking like a dog would be kind of dumb and town doesn't need to spend 5 pages discussing if im scum because I voted for Amber with bad reasoning.
I don't see an issue at this point. If he's lying we'll know tomorrow. If they're both scum I'm sure Amber is pissing on redFF's leg in their scum chat right now.
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anyone who is not asking Amber a detect question gets my vote immediately! any other talk is just filler and does not help, SO DON'T DO IT. We have two suspects in the form of Vamp and tnkted. talk about that!
@kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp?
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On May 31 2011 09:35 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:On May 31 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.
Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game? *wiggles my tail* Then I'm not sure why we should keep a player around who can't analyze or be analyzed. Either you're a town player who has no value to us or a lying scum.
So are you suggesting we should lynch him? As of right now I think that's a horrible idea. For all we know he could have some sort of badass power that makes up for having to speak dog.
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redff, can you switch who you have pm rights with by switching your vote? Or is it just one person for the rest of the day?
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EBWOP: I meant a direct question asking Amber....
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On May 31 2011 09:37 Cthsazsa wrote:
So are you suggesting we should lynch him? As of right now I think that's a horrible idea. For all we know he could have some sort of badass power that makes up for having to speak dog.
I'm saying we should definitely consider it. A potential badass power is a huge 'what if'.
And Jackal, they could both claim the roles they were actually given, so if no counterclaims come up, that doesn't mean they're town.
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On May 31 2011 09:38 bumatlarge wrote:
redff, can you switch who you have pm rights with by switching your vote? Or is it just one person for the rest of the day?
I can't switch my vote. Yeah only one person.
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@Amber[Light]
Do you have an ability that can help town?
@Chaos13
There's no reason to kill off Amber[Light] right now. If he's useless town, shooting or lynching is a waste. If he's scum, then he's already made himself a public figure, and also, is incapable of any misdirection. A simple role or alignment check on him will resolve problems.
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On May 31 2011 09:35 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:On May 31 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.
Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game? *wiggles my tail* Then I'm not sure why we should keep a player around who can't analyze or be analyzed. Either you're a town player who has no value to us or a lying scum.
*barks loudly*
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Can we please stop talking about amber's role and what amber can or cannot say. We have 26 pages after about 12 hours. I think that's more than enough to start scumhunting. I'm gonna start rereading the thread. Since you can't talk Amber I think you should as well. Amber can qoute things so here's something useful for him to do that doesn't involve talking, just qoute stuff you find suspicious.
oh and @bum, spam definetly doesn not=good, don't know why you would even say that.
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