EPTMataza, WHY??? it makes no sense to me for you to have acted the way you did...
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hiro protagonist
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Mataza, WHY??? it makes no sense to me for you to have acted the way you did... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Thank you, that is all. | ||
Wunder
United Kingdom2950 Posts
This is backed up by his vote against Mataza, who tried to come up with a plan to expose at least one scum in the process. Unfortunately it was stopped by a starting vote by nard, and then followed by Prplhz, hiro, Skrammen, and most importantly VisceraEyes. Now Vis, why did you suddenly change your vote from being so adamantly against Palmar? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:30 GiygaS wrote: Finally, more then 3 people talking! Welcome to the game prp and nard, nice to see some europeans now. Inactives: 2 Guys we haven't seen, may get modkilled. Can't make an opinion on them yet. Karshe: + Show Spoiler + Hasen't really posted anything good at all. Might get modkilled, I don't know about him. stefftastiq: + Show Spoiler + Hasen't posted much but a brief "hello". Mentionned something about people being trigger-happy. I'm a tad suspicious as he should have posted again by now. Deepblu2 + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 05:41 DeepBlu2 wrote: I am here. This is off to a good start. I am active..Not sure who I think atm. On May 17 2011 11:57 DeepBlu2 wrote: I'm leaning towards Mataza at the moment. I'm not positive yet but just the fact he's defending himself so aggressively and has been caught with a couple of contradictions while blaming others as well. I'm going to be keep looking at his posts but he's my only suspect currently. I'm not saying it's definitely Mataza just the way he's handling himself is very defensive. Deepblu just posted so I haven't really had a chance to analyse his most recent post, but I'll give it a shot. His first post detailed how he's indeed "active" and he's formulating an opinion. Initially a bit scummy, if he hadn't posted anything, but he has now, so that lowers a bit of his suspicion. Based on his recent entry, he's leaning towards Mataza, based on his defensive stance. Overall, hasen't really produced much content, so I can't really say much about him. More active people: Mataza + Show Spoiler + Now, this guy seems a bit scummy to me, PROBABLY the most so far. The reasons have been brought up already: - He's implying he wants to become A leader of the town (maybe so he can control people? I don't know) - He is very defensive about his spot, very resilient to abandon anything. I don't know if this means he's mafia, but a person who goes out his way to say he's innocent seems a bit guilty :/ - Mentioned how many days Mafia has to stay alive. Good just be some helpful math. - HOWEVER after all this, he said he puts himself officially on trial. And he will only answer questions specifically asked at him. This implies he knows he has done wrong and wants to get a bit out of the spotlight. This is most likely because he's tired of constantly defending himself, but it could also be that he's Mafia and wants to sink back in to the shadows. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Also, he's got my name wrong twice now (it's not gigays, or gigas, it's giygas  )VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + Got into Mataza as soon as the game begun, might just because he wants activity. The fact he HAS been avoiding questions to attack Mataza some more, which may imply he's trying to avoid them so that he doesn't have any answers. Don't know what I think of him, a bit suspicious. prplhz (anyone got tricks for this guy's name? )+ Show Spoiler + Seems very rational to me. Got some more discussion other then the back and forth between me, Mataza and VisceraEyes. Seems very pro-town to me, but once again, your best friends can sometimes be your worst enemies. I'm not very suspicious of him. nard + Show Spoiler + Kind of interesting. This guy has posted three times. Once to remind us all that it's too early to start making conclusions about Mataza, one that reminds us all that we have 48 hours before we have to make a decision and to take some time, and finally one that answers some suspicions on his first post, and saying he's not too suspicious of Mataza, and suspicous of me and Viscera (more Viscera). I don't know what this means, but IF we find out that Mataza is indeed a Mafia, I believe this guy is probably a cohort based on his behind-the-scenes support for the guy. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Palmar: + Show Spoiler + Has mostly mentioned inactives and getting some debate going on that topic. He may just be curious. That said, he was the first one to mention and notice Nard's post on being saying it was difficult to post the first time. Hasen't really added a lot of real content, but I believe he's pro-town. Only the minutest amount of suspicion. hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote: Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum... best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... That's his only post. Unfortunately, we don't get any background info on what country he lives in, so we can't analyse when he'll post. Unfortunate :/ The fact that he did add SOMETHING (scum have probably posted) shows he MIGHT be pro-town in his behavior. Don't know what to think on him due to inactivity. EDIT: Okay, he just posted another one that added a bit more content, so I moved him down here. Basically listing his suspicions. Seem's a bit more mafia now to be honest based on his bandwagonning to everyone else, but he may just agree with some people. EDIT: Yes, this is my first time EVER playing mafia, so this is a new experience for me. i'm gonna be interested to see if anything else develops. This is GiygaS first real content post. Please note that the only two people he doesn't really suspect are Palmar and prplhz. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 02:43 Palmar wrote: I mean, great success on the first day might render my approach irrelevant in this game, but you can't count on every game getting lucky with a loud-mouth the first day. Sometimes that same loud-mouth will be a bad townie. I don't want to lynch inactives. I want to threaten them with a lynch to the point they are forced to contribute to the game, and then we can start scumhunting. While written information for analysis is the best way to approach scum hunt, as I'm sure both you and mataza will agree with me in, vote patterns are also something you can base scum-hunting on. I am all for putting pressure on inactive people to step up and provide us with information, but I did not get much support for it last night, so I'll just admit... I'm kind of giving up on that approach, and gonna go with the ammunition I have at hand to get the baddies. I had a bad read on Gyig, looks like I had a good read on Mataza. I actually thought they were both townies pointing fingers at each other. But yeah, Mataza looks really clean now. But listen up here: I'm going to retract my first statement about only analysing the people who did not vote for Giyg. I went back and re-read all his posts, and he's so chaotic and bad, that there is a possibility of the mafia simply throwing him under the bus to gain trust, because he was always going to get lynched anyway. I'm not going to start pointing fingers just yet, but someone like purplehaze looks really damn safe now after being the deciding vote that got a mafia lynched. It's not far-fetched to think that any smart mafia would consider throwing their useless buddy under the bus to buy safety. Lastly: It is important to no end that VisEyes and Mataza leave their thoughts in this thread before day breaks, you two are by fare the most likely mafia targets. Of the townies that actually contributed on day one, myself and Kersha are probably safe, seeing as it'll be easy to convince the town to vote against us. purplehaze is in a weird spot, but I don't think he'll get murdered. Might post your thoughts anyway though. As I pointed out in the post referenced, I remain VERY suspicious of Palmar's decision to keep his post on DeepBlu2. Not only was the rest of town voting between Giygas and Skrammen, but his reasoning for keeping his vote on DeepBlu2 was 'Well, I saw no reason to change. I wanted them both out of the game, and one of them was going home' What I find interesting is that he viewed it from such a departed standpoint. WE (rest of Town) were already voting. I find this VERY suspicious because rather than taking a stand with the rest of his 'team', he let everyone else decide the fate of the lynch d1...as if he were a scum trying to not be on the wrong side of the lynch. Not to mention the fact that he states in VERY BOLD LETTERS I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH INACTIVES - I WANT TO FORCE THEM INTO ACTIVITY WITH VOTES...but he doesn't change his vote when DeepBlu2 posts analysis THE VERY NEXT POST...he sticks with DeepBlu2 in spite of that. Based on shaky reasoning and absolutely NO analysis beyond "Oh, well, he bandwagoned."....most of the votes that day were bandwagon votes...and you know what? Mafia got lynched. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Allow me to offer up another, perhaps more likely scenario. One that doesn't rely on utter noobiness as the basis of its believability. Revisiting my scumlist we see that I had prplhz, Palmar and GiygaS. For this example, I'm going to assume you're all three mafia. At any rate, before your switch, we see that you and GiygaS were both voting for Skrammen. Not only does this effectively block the vote for GiygaS, but it allows Palmar to Off-vote (vote for someone NO ONE ELSE is voting for..very scummy behavior at the end of the day) to ensure that even if in the event someone switches last minute, he could swoop in and recast his vote for Skrammen. Good. Great. But then we take into account the fact that A) GiygaS is highly under suspicion of the most active (and most accurate so far) scumhunter, Mataza and B) He's playing bad scum and C) Mafia can converse with each other, it isn't far-fetched to believe that a last-minute switch from inactive Skrammen to obvScum GiygaS would not only clear your name ("See? I voted for scum too!", but pave the way for Palmar to then go on a witch-hunt of those who voted against GiygaS lynch. "But VE, why wouldn't Palmar just vote for GiygaS himself?" you might be asking...well, if you'll read the rules, the person with the most votes first is the target in the event of a tie...which would've resulted in Skrammen getting lynched anyway. BOOM HEADSHOT. GG Maf. Fire away...I don't even NEED to post anymore! Mataza, this is what's happening. They can't kill us both. I suggest Palmar first as he appears to be the brains. prplhz won't know how to cope.I included this post because it outlines my prediction of how the first day's lynch went down. Now that Mataza has flipped green, I feel absolutely confident that this is an accurate assessment of what happened. Also to add to this prediction, I feel it's worth noting that Palmar and prplhz haven't voted together YET in this game. As town we have to try and come to a consensus on who to vote off...as Mafia, it's dangerous to vote with your buddies as voting patterns can be analyzed. A common defense to this is to try and fool the town into voting who you want off, and voting seperately from your scum friends. Obviously this is a WIFOM scenario, but I do find it extremely convenient for them that one cannot put them together based on voting patterns. To close, I know I've been a very outspoken and peculiar character in this game. I know I've come close to quitting and leaving you all to deal with this mess without me...I'm sure some of you wish I had. I just want to say that this has been a VERY fun game and I've enjoyed playing it with you. (even the inactives ) Hopefully I'll survive the night and I'll get to play with you guys more when dawn breaks. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I stated this in the vote post, but I switched my vote to vote with town. It's going to be VERY important in the next few cycles. I realize that bandwagon voting is suspicious, but I stand by my vote and will not apologize for it further. | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
Of the 6 people who voted for GiygaS on day1; Mataza and DeepBlu2 voted for prplhz on day2, Skrammen, VisceraEyes and prplhz voted for Mataza on day2, stefftastiq voted for Palmar on day2. oh, that was just a correction for prplz post earlier, didnt realize there were more posts  | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Day 3 ![[image loading]](http://www.dailytravelphotos.com/images/2010/100106_jaisalmer_india_fort_town_sunrise_full_travel_photography_MG_8800.jpg) After a fear filled night of waiting for the sun to rise again the town awoke ready to hunt some mafia, well, some of the town awoke at least. DeepBlu2 did not. He was found dead in his house, his throat slit, spreadsheet after spreadsheet open on his laptop, with meticulously written notes about voting patterns and likely mafia candidates. Apparently he had been so busy trying to find the mafia he had failed to hear the murder sneaking into his house. DeepBlu2 the vanilla townie , is dead! The day has begun and someone must be lynched! You have 48 hours to get your votes in. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
Good luck people. | ||
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Wunder
United Kingdom2950 Posts
##Vote: Palmar From the evidence that VisEyes has presented, it is clear that Palmar is one of the 2 remaining scum and that he was simply waiting for instruction, but prplhz took action and got rid of GiygaS at the last minute. I'm not too sure who the other scum is, but the possibility of it being prplhz or VisEyes is quite high. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: Palmar ...I'm just getting started! I agree with a vote for Palmar because DeepBlu2 was Palmar's target d1 and it's reasonable to assume that after the mafia missed their suspect for a PR n1 they went for the easiest candidate that suspected them n2. And since DeepBlu2 was suspicious of prplhz, he seems like a safe candidate for lynch d3 if Palmar flips red, for obvious reasons (at least to me...) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
You were never in any danger of dying VisEyes. As long as you keep up the crusade to get me lynched you're providing a great distraction. Just to quickly summarize. Your current argument against me is that I did not switch my vote day 1. But I wonder, where should I have switched my vote to? If I went for skrammen, I would be ensuring (remember, that at this point prplhz hadn't switched his vote) the death of an inactive, which I've told you countless times is not my goal. The other option was to go after someone who was really loud. At the time I didn't know he was a mafia. Here's the post where I explained to Mataza my reasoning for not switching to GiygaS. I honestly believed back then that everyone in the game would eventually step up and provide content. On May 18 2011 02:23 Palmar wrote: I want to keep him because I'm not afraid of him. What I'm afraid of is going into day two with very little or no information about half the players in the game. How on earth are you going to analyse who is mafia amongst the people that have hardly said anything so far in the game? Any information is better than no information. This is why I don't want to just let everyone bandwagon you in the first place, and then Gyig now. I want one of the people that aren't contributing against the wall. This is very much true. But I'd rather have to filter through tons of bad information injected by mafia, than having no information at all and just playing a guessing game. Actually, here's a promise for you, if everyone comes into the thread, contributes and makes good analysis of the situation, I will switch my vote to GiygaS and help you get him lynched. In hindsight, I of course wish I had listened to Mataza, because then I probably would be busy hunting scum rather than explaining why I am not one. Anyway, I'm much more interested in breaking down Mataza's lynch and DeepBlu2's death. | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
Fantastic. I'm pretty staunch on my vote today, so I will throw it out immediately. ##Vote: Palmar From the evidence that VisEyes has presented, it is clear that Palmar is one of the 2 remaining scum and that he was simply waiting for instruction, but prplhz took action and got rid of GiygaS at the last minute. I'm not too sure who the other scum is, but the possibility of it being prplhz or VisEyes is quite high. @Wunder if VisEyesare the other mafia - why should you vote for Palmar, based on his theory? These two sudden votes seems strange :[ | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
please put some time into it and get a proper analysis / reasoning done, even if you end up voting on the same guys. i guess i have to start from scratch again now that deepblu2 is dead - is mafia trying to discredit me or what? lol | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
You are the one that did the original analysis on DeepBlu2. Your conclusion may have been wrong, but your effort is still valid. Re-do your analysis, adding in everything DeepBlu2 said from the point you accused him until the point where he got killed, and look at it all from the point of view we now know that DeepBlu2 was innocent. As for myself, I will be working on an analysis on prplhz. While I can't be certain he's guilty at the moment, when I go back and re-read the thread, knowing Mataza and DeepBlu2 had honest intentions and both accused prplhz, I feel there is desperate need to re-visit his entire posting history. Perhaps he's just unlucky, perhaps he got set up. But perhaps his lack of accusation towards myself has blinded me to his true intentions. It seems like a very dangerous thing to do... accusing prplhz. Mataza and DeepBlu2 paid with their lives. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Link On May 18 2011 09:50 Wunder wrote: Hey guys! Sorry I've been so inactive, didn't know the game moved so fast  I'm reading through the pages now, so I will edit this post to cast my vote.+ Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 09:56 Wunder wrote: Wow, looks like I got in just under the clock. Whew. I haven't played forum mafia before, and I've only played the SC2 mod of it, but that seems to take a few rules from F11's version and adds some new roles in it too. But I generally dislike having a lynch day one, although it seems to be mandatory, so I'm going to go with the safer option here and vote for ##Vote: Skrammen + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 10:00 Wunder wrote: I think there's one hour? Good thing I woke up early today. His two first posts came 1 hour before deadline on day1. Judging from their timestamps he apparently read through 8 pages of posts in 6 minutes. The only posts inbetween his first two posts are; one from Karshe saying "welcome" and Mataza commenting on him arriving just in the nick of time. Analysis I think his false claim to having read 8 pages of posts in 6 minutes is so blatant that he is not trying to trick us. I think he just doesn't want to say "Hey everybody, I'm gonna bandwagon because I didn't put any effort into this game at all so far" because that would pretty much ruin the fun for everybody else. So I really think he showed up late. In the third post he correctly answers the question "when do we have to vote?". I don't think there's a real scum-tell here so he'll get the benefit of the doubt. + Show Spoiler + Link On May 18 2011 18:18 Wunder wrote: Hi! Sorry, can dead people still post? Probably not, right? Anyways, sorry for the wrong vote - decided to go with the safer vote rather than have a bunch of suspect innocents. I'll hopefully participate more tomorrow! Just to clarify, we can PM anyone here right? To have like secret conversations? This post was made 7 hours into night1. One of our awesome and lovely hosts GMarshal promptly answers his question. Analysis You could say that Wunder was only wondering about this because he really did not know about this. I think that if he was scum it would be very likely that one of his scum companions had already PM'd him so in that case he should have known. I think this is a slight townie-tell. + Show Spoiler + Link On May 19 2011 19:52 Wunder wrote: I may have stepped too deep here, the level of analysis is quite mindboggling. I'd love to contribute, but I'm not sure how or where to start, even after reading a lot of the newbie guides... One thing that can be said though is that VisEyes, Palmar and Mataza are all very active, and I do believe at least one of them is Mafia. Sadly, I don't have much proof and I'm not sure how all of you guys have to time to sift through and analyze everyone's posts :< what does FoSing someone actually do, other than make your suspicions more concrete? I will try to monitor this situation more, but I think a lot of my opinions are siding with VisEyes right now, though I'm not sure why. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 20:00 Wunder wrote: @Palmar: But what does that entail? Does it just mean that everyone knows you think that X is mafia? Is that all it does? Also, I agree with VisEyes that all his calls, though a bit irrational, are somewhat based from the information in front of him. I do think that purplehaze could be suspicious, and that him and the other mafioso turned GiygaS in, in an attempt to throw a few people off their tail. I currently have my eye of both Palmar and PurpleHaze + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 20:17 Wunder wrote: @Nard: pretty nice post, and... pretty bad pun I agree somewhat with your analysis, however I doubt a lot of the inactive people would be mafia, especially since reading the newbie guide one would assume mafioso to be active, rather than inactive. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 20:30 Wunder wrote: @Palmar: Oh. Ok That makes sense then. FoS on Palmar and PurpleHaze@VisEyes: I agree. Palmar's argument and evidence against you have been somewhat shakey, though I'd have to go through and analyze it word for word >< These posts were made 9-11 hours into day2. Within 3 hours before both VisceraEyes and Palmar had posted some very comprehensive analysis with VisceraEyes FoS'ing Palmar and I quite heavily, Palmar somewhat calmly defending us both. Before the 3rd post in this series nard posted some analysis of hiro protagonist, DeepBlu2, me and Palmar, mostly suspicious of DeepBlu2. Analysis He is continuing his newbie/bandwagon act. In his second post I think it's worth noticing that he is using the phrase "information in front of him". This sounds a lot like he knows about WIFOM. If he knows about WIFOM then how can it be that he asks silly questions about FoS? Both terms should be easily google-able anyway yet he goes out of his way to ask about it on the forums. Seems like he might be going out of his way to inform everybody that he is newbie and that he does not have too much time for this game. + Show Spoiler + Link On May 20 2011 16:05 Wunder wrote: Wait, so what's happening here? PurpleHaze is claiming he got roleblocked and so we have a potential roleblocker and with that, either 8 vanilla townies, or 6 vanilla townies, 1 doctor and a Detective. Mataza is claiming he knows who the doctor is because of 'observational skills'. I doubt a mafia would openly expose himself to such a thing as the only guarantee he'd know is if he was a mafia and one of them roleblocked the doctor, thus sealing the only way Karshe could have survived. Am I right in this analysis? o-o + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 16:06 Wunder wrote: Also, when do we have to vote? + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 23:11 Wunder wrote: Aha, this is something important that hadn't been addressed. If mafia were apart of the offvoter group, why would they narrow it down further by killing off an innocent offvoter? That doesn't mean that all offvoters are suddenly innocent, but it does make it a somewhat level playing field. Unfortunately I won't be able to stay up to read the rest of the day's discussion, so I'm going to have to bandwagon again. The 4 votes already cast are all over the place, but I think there's one person here that currently stands out relative to the other active posters. ##Vote: Palmar These first two posts were made 19 hours before deadline day2. The third was made 12 hours before deadline day2. Analysis These posts are the first of his with any real content. He's very vaguely claiming that Mataza is innocent and asking a question to which he probably already knows the answer, as he's posted it before. In the end he votes for Palmar with close to no reasonable. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 11:41 Wunder wrote: Ah fuck. The people who voted for Mataza didn't really think of the implications. What does this achieve? That the doubters of Mataza are now all possible mafia? + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 22:00 Wunder wrote: you dun goof'd. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2011 09:31 Wunder wrote: Hmm, I don't have time to do the analysis, but I'll say this much, looking at the votelist from two days ago as well as the general back and forth in the posts, I have a heavy FoS on Prplhz. This is due to the fact that he swung the vote against GiygaS, meaning the third scum convinced him to let GiygaS go as he wasn't a great scum player. This is backed up by his vote against Mataza, who tried to come up with a plan to expose at least one scum in the process. Unfortunately it was stopped by a starting vote by nard, and then followed by Prplhz, hiro, Skrammen, and most importantly VisceraEyes. Now Vis, why did you suddenly change your vote from being so adamantly against Palmar? These posts are from 40 minutes after deadline day2, 11 hours after deadline day2, and 22 hours after deadline day2. Analysis First post here appears to be a townie flustered with the lynching of a townie. Second post is not worth my attention :D Third post is another bandwagon as well as somewhat shallow analysis. Conclusion I do not think there is anything overly suspicious about this guy. He genuinely appears to be somewhat new at forum mafia. His analysis is short and shallow and he hasn't really attracted too much attention so far. Either he's a very good scum or a not too great townie (sorry dude ). I'm gonna go with the latter. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Apparently nard wasn't accusing Wunder of anything btw :D But I only noticed that half way through my analysis and then I thought "what the hell, lets just finish this up". | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Link + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 02:02 hiro protagonist wrote: good morning team. first timer here. I agree, this is off to a good start. there is no reason to suspect anyone right now, as there is very little to go on, so its a little wait and see I agree with VisceraEyes, its important to ask alot of questions. I will want clarifications on posts I find suspicious, and please do the same for me!Link + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote: Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum... best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... Posts from around 10-11 hours into the game. IIRC VisceraEyes and Mataza were going at it at this point with occasional input from GiygaS. Analysis No incriminating content so far because ... not really much content at all so far. The second post is on page 5, that means after about 2-3 pages of play and maybe it's a bit weird to think that we should just focus on the actives since there's not too much to go by. At this point there had been some accusations against Mataza by VisceraEyes and GiygaS and a couple of "hello" posts and a couple of "man, these inactives are a nuisance" posts and that was it. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 12:23 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, here are my thoughts so far, the first two people I gonna talk about are the ones i have the most read on/talked the most o far: VisceraEyes: He was the most active in the first few pages, with most of his post wanting simply for all active players to say hi. Also mentioning not to take suspicions of one another as a bad thing. I can agree with this line of logic, as it will foster a more friendly town, and get in on the scum hunting. His FoS of Mataza looks more like a call for discussion then an actual accusation. my worry is that he is almost TOO town, and is a likely prime hit for Mafia, unless of course he IS Mafia. Mataza: considered the most suspicious as of right now, and with good reasoning. His first post was one of feinting a cop role. and Has been very Defensive initially when VisceraEye ask a question. Then he points the finger right back at VisceraEyes. after that he claims that he "just wanted to see how you would react". However he made a good post about how he wants to talk about what everyone else thinks, and his post are in the vein of scumhunting (when his not busy defending himself). not sure what to think of him tbh. Next up GiygaS, nord, Palmar,: These 3 have the most posts with the least amount of Analysis. most likely town wanting to hang low or wait and see before going into to much discussion. GiygaS has done the most in getting discussion going, expesialy around what VisceraEye and Mataza have been saying. not alot to go on. prplhz: quite at first but then a solid post with good analysis. Deepblue, Steff, Karshe: still need to here more from them. deepblue has gotten in pretty late with just a one liner. gonna watch to see if he is gonna just slide under the modkill, as there are still some inactives, and is laying low(as in acting scummy) thats it for now. These posts from 10-11 hours before deadline day1. Analysis Seems to be very vague though, of the most active players so far, he is most critical of VisceraEyes and Mataza while somewhat letting GiygaS off the hook. He mentions nard and Palmar but never says anything about them. Is actually vaguely accusing everybody he talks about except me and GiygaS. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 09:05 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, LOTS to go on here, gonna give my take on things: The General feeling for the first day started like this: the town began giving intro post that most had no content. the exception to this is of course Mataza, who kinda claimed Cop, and then retracted it.( I still do not like is explanation). the first three people to really get the ball rolling where ViscaraEyes, GiygaS, and Mataza. Of the three, I liked VisEyes approach the most, and Mataza's the least. but these 3 started talking, there still talking, and its leading somewhere. the way I feel about it is the longer they talk, the long one will slip up, and for me that does not make them A high priority lynch. Is one of them Mafia? man it sure looks like it. the next list of people include me: Hiro, Karshe, Palmar, Prplhz, and nard. Of this group, Prplhz and Karshe have had the most helpful post in my eyes. Palmar and nard mostly made some general post about the situation. Im leaving me out because thats a job for someone else. Where does this leave me? I starting to look at inactives to vote for. but which one? The only one I feel right now that would be an ok vote would be Skrammen, and heres why. the only post by Skrammen is one of agreeing with Mataza, apparently for no reason, ether he is a terrible Maffia, or a terrible townie. Mataza, I want to believe your town, but the way you go about playing just rubs me a bit. I LOVE that you are taking swings at people, but as soon as some one wants to have a disscusion, you ether turn your finger on them, or call them a Bandwaggoner. I also dont like that almost every defense you say "I just wanted to see how you would react." that might be true, but it leaves me with no read on you... what would we get if we voted Skrammen? if he flips town, we got a good reason to trust Mataza. If he flips scum, well, Mataza has some explaining to do... will decide in a bit, to give more inactives time to post From 2 hours before deadline day1. Analysis He's agreeing with me and Karshe who at this point are saying that we will vote for inactives. Karshe furthermore says that Mataza will be his pick for day2 lynch. He's again critical against Mataza but the most interesting thing he says is that if Skrammen flips town we have a good reason to trust Mataza. Mataza is voting for GiygaS at this point. If this means that if Skrammen is townie hiro protagonist is indirectly supporting a lynch of GiygaS on day2. If Skrammen is scum, Mataza would go free. With the knowledge we have now that Mataza is townie I think this is very townie behaviour displayed by hiro protagonist. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote: @VisEyes and while I was posting you say that Jez, I was on board with you Vis, but that's just a lame attitude... This is in response to VisceraEyes basically saying that he quits the game. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 09:48 hiro protagonist wrote: gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote. Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing. worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another. good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one. Eather way, Im happy with day one. ##Vote: Skrammen This is around 1 hour before deadline day1. Analysis At this point GiygaS has 4 votes and hiro protagonist is about to cast the 4th vote for Skrammen. He considers the situation where GiygaS is scum first. This may be a scum-tell as I think most people would probably write about the scenario they consider is most likely first. I don't think he is being fair in his evaluation of the boons of lynching Skrammen in favor of GiygaS. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 07:56 hiro protagonist wrote: wow, drama drama :D I have some thoughts and ideas, but they can wait till dawn. Not much else to say, that hasn't been said. Lets see how the night unfolds This is 3 hours before deadline night1. The drama is many of us (me, VisceraEyes, Mataza, Palmar) of us discussing heavily even though we actually nailed a scum. Analysis I don't know why drama would warrant a ":D". Maybe it's the inner troll. He's also not at all afraid to get killed this night. I think these are slight scum-tells too. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 05:19 hiro protagonist wrote: ok guys, slow down. We lynched a scum on the very first night. We have the upper Hand. im gonna read up on post and come back with a report. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote: So looks like a lot of people are looking into me DeepBlu2: no I never gave a explanation into my vote after day1. I gave my reasons for the vote BEFORE voting. Something all good townies should do. I still stand behind that vote. Palmar, nord, and Skrammen have posted some anyalisis of me. All three analyises me equaly well in my opinon, and each draw up different conclusions! Palmar wants to lynch me whill nord thinks im a safe townie. Skrammen is unsure (thanks for steping into the game btw). I find this intriguing... One thing I will addresses (sense no one really asked me any questions), Is of my play being safe. true. I see no reason to not continue to do so. We got a scum day 1. we have the advantage. I am gonna keep on making my opinions heard, and any suspicion I have known. As for the rest of the game, my thoughts around Karshes death are like this: mafia does not know if we have a doc. It would be to risky to go Mataza in case the was one, because they cant afford a miss hit. they chose the next best thing; going for blue roles. they took a shot in the dark in hopes off hitting blue. And if they missed, well, It was very unlikely Karshe had a doc on him, so at least its a guarantee town kill. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 09:24 hiro protagonist wrote: Mataza, I don't get what your plan would accomplish. Mafia can read it to. could you explain it better perhaps, or am i not getting it Link + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 09:42 hiro protagonist wrote: but then they kill the cop... the longer he stays under, the more reports he can do, the better for us These posts came 6 hours and 10-11 hours into day2. Analysis In the two first posts he is kinda trying to take responsibility for the day1 scum-lynch, even though he in fact voted for Skrammen and never accused GiygaS of anything. He ridicules attempts to analyse him without directly adressing them. I think these are scum-tells. The nightkill analysis in the last paragraph of the second post is quite straight forward and I don't think this is indicative of anything. In the two last posts he is very interested in what Mataza's blue role plan is about. And by very interested I mean, he has never asked anyone a question in this game before that point. This interest could be a result of him having a blue role. Maybe this is what Mataza meant by him knowing who the doc was. I think there could be another explanation but I'm gonna leave this up to hiro protagonist to answer. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 08:26 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, I am at work, so I dont have a lot of time to explain my vote, but here it go's: Mataza has been less then helpful day 2. there is so much scumminiss going on with his actions that i dont have time to point them all out. i will just point out a few. 1. He used his trust that he built with the town to try to get people to rolecall blue roles, and as everyone pointed out, thats a very bad idea for us, great for mafia, who are behind. 2. He wants to lynch prplhz. Really? the guy who's very last minute vote switch got us a scum lynch on day one in very dramatic fashion? 3. before prplhz vote switch, GiygaS was safe. This could have been planned between them both, with Mataza looking like a townie. Im gonna put my money on Mataza is S to the scummy ummy. ##Vote Mataza Link + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 10:06 hiro protagonist wrote: @ stefftastiq prplhz and I voted for different people. These post are from 3-1 hours before day2 deadline. His vote for Mataza put him at 3 to Palmar's 2, my 2, and a single vote on himself. The single vote on him was by Palmar. Analysis His vote was not an OMGUS as he provides somewhat sufficient reasonable. None of these reasons are original though as they had already been talked about in the game, so this is somewhat of a bandwagon. He also does not discuss why he is not voting for me nor Palmar who had just as many votes. Overall I think these are townie-tells. Link + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2011 02:33 hiro protagonist wrote: T_T Mataza, WHY??? it makes no sense to me for you to have acted the way you did... This was 3.5 hours after Mataza's lynching. Analysis An emotional outburst after a lynching. He also did this after day1 lynch. Conclusion I think I very much want to know why hiro protagonist was so interested in Mataza's blue role exposure plan. I don't think I can conclude anything before he gets back to us on this. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I find it interesting that you're so certain I was in no danger of getting lynched. What, prplhz didn't like the idea? Thought you guys might be able to leverage my living the night as a way to discredit me? Fair enough. @prplhz I agree with your assessment that Wunder is probably town and there isn't much suspicious about Hiro. I assume this is leading somewhere in the direction of 'This guy is innocent, this guy is innocent...oh, what have we here Vis Eyes?'...but I'll go ahead and disagree with you in advance that VisceraEyes is suspicious. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
No you're actually the one I'm most sure about not being scum but I doubt that I will post an analysis concluding that. By the way, imagine that neither me nor Palmar are scum, who do you think has been acting most scummy then? | ||
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