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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
I know I don't post very much but I like to keep things simple and clean. Anyone who tried to offvote Glygas is a threat and should be considered as one, hiro protagonist Wunder nard I'm not going to vote anyone yet but I am really only looking at these three people. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On May 20 2011 00:54 DeepBlu2 wrote: Hiro gave an explanation how he screwed up and was an error on his part to offvote Glygas. Could you provide a link to this explanation. I re-read from the lynch, but really couldn't find it. Are you perhaps confusing Nard with Hiro? Because Nard created a pretty substantial post with his thoughts. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On May 20 2011 01:05 Palmar wrote: Could you provide a link to this explanation. I re-read from the lynch, but really couldn't find it. Are you perhaps confusing Nard with Hiro? Because Nard created a pretty substantial post with his thoughts. Hm....It appears you are correct. I shall continue searching then. Nard did post a substantial post, indeed, not very defensive which I would have liked to see, but definately substantial. I don't really suspect you, Palmer, as I understand your reasoning behind voting me because I was quiet which can be suspicious obviously, and fully understand your reasoning. I'll look back and analyze every post of Hiros and Wunders, i'm sure I can dig up something. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
What do you think about the rash murder of Karshe? Any ideas about who might be behind it? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Vis eyes is spinning and changing direction like a magnet taped to a ventilatorblade. I am x posts away from a policy lynch against Vis, where x is when I get too annoyed. Here is the thing: Some are reading too much into Karshes death. We might as well hunt for mafia in GMarshal´s posts. My point here is, the mafia is as uncertain about the setup as we are. They fear a good doctor and they fear a good cop. And that´s why they maybe don´t kill the people they want to actually kill. Btw, I am considering a very risky move. It would shed some light on an active player, but also guarantee his death night 2 if he is inno or day3 when he is scum. If I´m wrong you will probably hate me. On the bright side, no mislynch possible. Would you consider it to be worth it? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Judging from your highly hostile response to my accusation, it would appear that I've struck a nerve. Stay tuned... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Report coming soon. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
The only thing I can take away from that, is he got genuinely nervous because of deepblu´s accusation. That was one of his last posts with any content, too. His mates probably told him to be silent after that. Just a hunch of mine. My read on Giygas is the only thing I trust right now. On a side note, inactivity becomes a problem again. As much as I hate to, but I think a policy lynch might be needed. People post. If you have nothing else, post your gut feeling. Sincerety is at least tell. Also be critical and use your own brain  . | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Look at your own posts, you are hysterical and your posts contain more red sprinkles than a butcher convention. You are all over the place, switching your fos, announcing to have solved the game and then switching again. Stop posting any little thought you have. Post bigger and better ones. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
There's one easy way to settle this. Join me in trying to get Palmar lynched tonight. You mentioned you were suspicious of him. Well, I'm 100% on this guy. I'm asking you to trust me as I trusted you in lynching GiygaS. We did a great thing d1. We can do it again if you'll just trust me. To use your initial logic, we still have available to us 3 mislynches. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly take the second mislynch as you'll then have AMPLE information to clear the rest of the Maf. This is a favor, and I'm asking you, PLEADING with you to join me in this. And before you use this to reason against doing it, refusing won't make me auto-FoS you or anything. No strings attached. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Being wrong is not a crime. I mean... I failed day one when I said exactly the same thing about GiygaS, but I still stand by my notion that people who post frantically don't need to be policy lynched. And VisEyes is obviously trying a bit harder than GiygaS was. I mean, I already stated, there is plenty of things that point towards both myself and purplehaze, I refer to my analysis of what the death of Karshe accomplished for the mafia. I wish Vis would look beyond the obivous, but alas... he's annoying, but not dangerous. At least for now. I will not support a policy lynch on VisEyes. @DeepBlu2: Here's the thing. Your calm and cool response to my accusations last night, followed by your insight in voting GiygaS very early on has led me to believe you are one of my safest bets for a townie in this game. I am very much looking forward to hearing your analysis. Both the targets you intended to analyse are of great interest. I already found very suspicious stuff about Hiro, and I'm curious if you reach the same conclusion. Please continue posting actively. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
We lynched a scum on the very first night. We have the upper Hand. im gonna read up on post and come back with a report. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
It´s way harder than yesterday though. Suddenly there are all these people posting :D But at least town is acting on its own now. I will make a longer post when and if I can make a good contribution. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum... best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... This is one of his first posts. Note that he is very eager to start scumhunting. He cares little about inactives. + Show Spoiler + Ok, here are my thoughts so far, the first two people I gonna talk about are the ones i have the most read on/talked the most o far: VisceraEyes: He was the most active in the first few pages, with most of his post wanting simply for all active players to say hi. Also mentioning not to take suspicions of one another as a bad thing. I can agree with this line of logic, as it will foster a more friendly town, and get in on the scum hunting. His FoS of Mataza looks more like a call for discussion then an actual accusation. my worry is that he is almost TOO town, and is a likely prime hit for Mafia, unless of course he IS Mafia. Mataza: considered the most suspicious as of right now, and with good reasoning. His first post was one of feinting a cop role. and Has been very Defensive initially when VisceraEye ask a question. Then he points the finger right back at VisceraEyes. after that he claims that he "just wanted to see how you would react". However he made a good post about how he wants to talk about what everyone else thinks, and his post are in the vein of scumhunting (when his not busy defending himself). not sure what to think of him tbh. Next up GiygaS, nord, Palmar,: These 3 have the most posts with the least amount of Analysis. most likely town wanting to hang low or wait and see before going into to much discussion. GiygaS has done the most in getting discussion going, expesialy around what VisceraEye and Mataza have been saying. not alot to go on. prplhz: quite at first but then a solid post with good analysis. Deepblue, Steff, Karshe: still need to here more from them. deepblue has gotten in pretty late with just a one liner. gonna watch to see if he is gonna just slide under the modkill, as there are still some inactives, and is laying low(as in acting scummy) thats it for now. This time, a solid analysis. He seems to be playing it quite safe: careful not to point at anyone. + Show Spoiler + Ok, LOTS to go on here, gonna give my take on things: The General feeling for the first day started like this: the town began giving intro post that most had no content. the exception to this is of course Mataza, who kinda claimed Cop, and then retracted it.( I still do not like is explanation). the first three people to really get the ball rolling where ViscaraEyes, GiygaS, and Mataza. Of the three, I liked VisEyes approach the most, and Mataza's the least. but these 3 started talking, there still talking, and its leading somewhere. the way I feel about it is the longer they talk, the long one will slip up, and for me that does not make them A high priority lynch. Is one of them Mafia? man it sure looks like it. the next list of people include me: Hiro, Karshe, Palmar, Prplhz, and nard. Of this group, Prplhz and Karshe have had the most helpful post in my eyes. Palmar and nard mostly made some general post about the situation. Im leaving me out because thats a job for someone else. Where does this leave me? I starting to look at inactives to vote for. but which one? The only one I feel right now that would be an ok vote would be Skrammen, and heres why. the only post by Skrammen is one of agreeing with Mataza, apparently for no reason, ether he is a terrible Maffia, or a terrible townie. Mataza, I want to believe your town, but the way you go about playing just rubs me a bit. I LOVE that you are taking swings at people, but as soon as some one wants to have a disscusion, you ether turn your finger on them, or call them a Bandwaggoner. I also dont like that almost every defense you say "I just wanted to see how you would react." that might be true, but it leaves me with no read on you... what would we get if we voted Skrammen? if he flips town, we got a good reason to trust Mataza. If he flips scum, well, Mataza has some explaining to do... will decide in a bit, to give more inactives time to post Another big post. This time he's after me, one of the inactive ones, despite his indication in his earlier post that they were not of priority. Again, he seems reluctant to actually point any fingers at anyone but me, the safest choice. He seems somewhat suspicious of Mataza and VisceraEyes. + Show Spoiler + @VisEyes and while I was posting you say that Jez, I was on board with you Vis, but that's just a lame attitude... Nothing to analyse here really, just putting it out there for easier referance. + Show Spoiler + gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote. Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing. worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another. good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one. Eather way, Im happy with day one. ##Vote: Skrammen This is his last post with any meat on the bones. He explains his reasoning for going the safe route: His arguments are well founded, but still very safe. + Show Spoiler + wow, drama drama :D I have some thoughts and ideas, but they can wait till dawn. Not much else to say, that hasn't been said. Lets see how the night unfolds His last post. Nothing to look at, really. Conclusion Early he seems very eager to start huntin dem scums. After some thinking, he thinks that the safe way is the best way, and votes for the safest lynch of d1. However, his rationale for lynching was just and well-founded and does not strike me as mafia behaviour. However, I am a bit worried that he is perhaps just a bit too safe, and that might hurt us in the long run. As of now, I think he is somewhat suspicious, but not enough to get me pointing the finger. From nard's analysis on him: has a medium amount of posts/content on day 1 with a reasonable townie logic. defends viscera during the early FoS'ing between matazar and viscera. he keeps being slightly suspicious of matazar and offered imo the best reasoning for voting on day 1 All in all, I do not think Hiro is one we should put our focus on just yet. As of now, I am more suspicious of Palmer, and i'll be looking closer at his posts after getting some sleep. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I really want to hear a fourth opinion. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
He still gives me a chaotic read. His behaviour overall seems a little.....off. Like he is planning spontaneous responses. He talks about leaders being obviously bad for town, while a few hours later talking about how good it is to have people under control. Literally. He doesn´t want to help lead the town, he only talks about control. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 21:48 prplhz wrote: (Bladibla...) I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum. I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis. I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this: @Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum? (Bladibla...) @VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq? Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control  (Bladibla...) It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum! Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces He mostly points out things that are bad or "harmful" for town, but never about things that actually help us. All that, while he goes out of his way and calls himself important enough to be the nightkill, because "they might be afraid that I will try to rally people". Him rallying people never looked probable or even possible to me. After rereading all his posts, there is only 2 explanations in my mind: 1) He is greatly holding back, while thinking he is absolutely invaluable. He doesn´t know in the least how he appears to the town 2) He is scum trying to be perceived as invaluable, a good analyst. With superior knowledge he has a deep understanding of what actually happens. But because he is Mafia, he cannot post why his maf buddies are suspicious. I really, really want to think he is town since he was quite active. It just doesn´t fit somehow. | ||
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