EPTI repeat, prplhz did NOT CLAIM DOC. Stop telling people to claim roles...this is getting out of hand. lol
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I repeat, prplhz did NOT CLAIM DOC. Stop telling people to claim roles...this is getting out of hand. lol | ||
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hiro protagonist
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nard
Germany124 Posts
deepblu2, i would suggest reading up the first pages again. the reasoning behind his suspicions make a lot of sense if you see them in the context of the wild finger-pointing in the early game. also - as i stated already - the reason leading up to his vote (and me bandwagoning it) convinced me the most (kill the most inactive on day1 if we have nothing to be sure of yet - check. stay aware of giygas, who might spoil more for mafia if he is indeed mafia? - check.) since my last big post you suddenly showed up with way more posts & content than before and try to raise suspicion of me, and now you're blaming the one i'm convinced the most of being a townie - funny coincident that you were the most suspicious in my post  i was unsure of you being a inactive/inexperienced player or mafia, but this presses me to FoS deepblu2 I would love to see some other opinions on deepblu2, especially from our most active guys  --- I'm also not a fan of blowing up eventual power roles today. Nobody claimed doc as far as i know, so what use would it be to have a potential "real" doc stand up? Only advantage i can see is to maybe know if purplehaze lied about being roleblocked which i dont see as the most important point, especially coupled with the high cost of our blues being unveiled.. to finish up this post, a small explanation about my posting hours - right now its 7:30 am for me, work starts around 8. as the daycycle ends at 9am for me i was throwing in my vote on day 1 just after waking up and reading up on the thread. i'll create my 2nd part of the analysis this afternoon (my time). | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
First of all: Do not roleclaim. Here is what will happen if a cop claims: Mafia immediately knows the setup. If they have a roleblocker, they know there is a doctor too. If they don't have a roleblocker, they know there is no doctor. a) If they do have a roleblocker, they'll just roleblock the cop until the end of the game, making it useless. b) If they don't have a roleblocker, they know there is no doctor, so they just.... shoot the cop. The only situation a roleclaim is advisable, is if the cop actually found Mafia. And even then it'd be better to simply go back, read the post of whoever they found to be scum, and try to get them lynched the old way. | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
If we have a cop he MUST claim. The reward is instantly getting an innocent report and a mafia. The risk is getting heavily messed with by scum. this makes no sense. yes we know one more innocent (the cop himself) who now needs doc protection every night. mafia will have it easier to go after doc. also cop might have been unlucky on day1 and scanned a townie, so the possibilty of knowing a mafia for sure is slim... also we might have no doc/cop at all. if we have one, i strongly suggest staying undercover for now and come out in the open when you have done some important scans, be it a mafia or a important townie who is under a lot of pressure. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I can and I will explain every little detail about my plan once I am sure that we 100% have a cop/do not have a cop. Also as far as voting is concerned: 18:01 VisceraEyes -> stefftastiq 18:59 Palmar -> DeepBlue2 19:54 DeepBlue2 -> GiygaS 01:00 Mataza -> GiygaS 01:39 VisceraEyes -> () 02:48 Skrammen -> GiygaS 07:25 GiygaS -> Skrammen 07:35 prplhz -> Skrammen 07:51 VisceraEyes -> prplhz 09:01 VisceraEyes -> () 09:01 VisceraEyes -> GiygaS 09:05 Karshe -> Skrammen 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 09:58 stefftastiq -> GiygaS 10:08 nard -> Skrammen 10:55 prplhz -> () 10:55 prplhz -> GiygaS 11:00 Voting ends We know Giygas is mafia. He was the first to vote Skrammen. A short time later, but not immediately afterwards, prplhz follows. Skrammen of course was a perfect safe lynch, chosen by mafia. Also consider this: On May 18 2011 07:25 GiygaS wrote: Hello everyone! On the subject of me having 3 votes, I'm more worried about who could slip by. Namely Skrammen. Skrammen hasn't posted at all until suddenly, he burst on the scene: Announcing his business the last few days very vaguely, Then jumps on the current trend of voting for me, without any reasoning behind doing so. This seems very dangerous to me, so I'm going to vote for him for the same reason that prplhz has reasoned: an evil unknown is far greater then a known one. ##Vote Skrammen His voting on Skrammen was not his own choice, but apparently Purplehaze´s. ##vote prplhz Only thing that could make me think he is town is a very good analysis or a cop claim. Trust me on this, we didn´t need a blue role day 1, we don´t need a blue day 2. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Didn't Mataza claim to be an experienced player? Is there a chance this unhelpful roleclaim idea wasn't a simple mistake, but an elaborate plan? I was pretty sure Mataza wasn't one of the people I had to really analyse, but I guess I might have to spend some time re-reading his stuff. | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
also - what??? in the same post you say: I can and I will explain every little detail about my plan once I am sure that we 100% have a cop/do not have a cop. Trust me on this, we didn´t need a blue role day 1, we don´t need a blue day 2. this doesnt make sense.. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:51 Mataza wrote: Prplhz is not doc, he is scum. I can and I will explain every little detail about my plan once I am sure that we 100% have a cop/do not have a cop. Also as far as voting is concerned: We know Giygas is mafia. He was the first to vote Skrammen. A short time later, but not immediately afterwards, prplhz follows. Skrammen of course was a perfect safe lynch, chosen by mafia. Also consider this: His voting on Skrammen was not his own choice, but apparently Purplehaze´s. ##vote prplhz Only thing that could make me think he is town is a very good analysis or a cop claim. Trust me on this, we didn´t need a blue role day 1, we don´t need a blue day 2. I still think nord or Hiro is one of the mafia, maybe both, if your incorrect that is... I'm kind of stuck as to who to lynch tonight. I agree with your reasoning, but consider, that my reasoning was near identical. While you picked purplehaze because of the timing, 2-3 people who I suspect did the same exact thing basically when it became more clear that that the mafia was trying to save Glygas. 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 10:08 nard -> Skrammen | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
dude, youre digging your own grave. gotta go now, i will be back in ~ 8 hours happy scum hunting everyone :> | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
However, right now we have a scenario in which we either get - a lot of confirmed innocents, which facilitates scumhunt immensely - 1 scum - 2 scum I know what I´m doing. Prplhz was right when he called me a risktaker. I did this before and I will do it again, if the risk/reward is favorable. | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
did you go back and check Wunder? I am very interested in what an analysis of him might reveal. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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nard
Germany124 Posts
this is getting intense, i'll put a 2nd FoS on Matazar. summing up: FoS deepblu2 FoS Matazar now i really gotta go, 2 minutes till work starts ,_, | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
*weep* | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:56 nard wrote: the voting time is suspicious but not enough for me to cast a vote just yet. also - what??? in the same post you say: this doesnt make sense.. Why, it makes good sense. We got Giygas without any blue role. And if the maf really has a roleblocker, we could be all townies. If a blue role would be so important that you couldn´t win without it, it wouldn´t be a possible setup. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On May 20 2011 10:02 Mataza wrote: Why, it makes good sense. We got Giygas without any blue role. And if the maf really has a roleblocker, we could be all townies. If a blue role would be so important that you couldn´t win without it, it wouldn´t be a possible setup. 18:01 VisceraEyes -> stefftastiq 18:59 Palmar -> DeepBlue2 19:54 DeepBlue2 -> GiygaS 01:00 Mataza -> GiygaS 01:39 VisceraEyes -> () 02:48 Skrammen -> GiygaS 07:25 GiygaS -> Skrammen 07:35 prplhz -> Skrammen 07:51 VisceraEyes -> prplhz 09:01 VisceraEyes -> () 09:01 VisceraEyes -> GiygaS 09:05 Karshe -> Skrammen 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 09:58 stefftastiq -> GiygaS 10:08 nard -> Skrammen 10:55 prplhz -> () 10:55 prplhz -> GiygaS 11:00 Voting ends “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” -Galileo Galilei | ||
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