Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II - Page 22

On May 20 2011 08:36 prplhz wrote:
Oh shit I need to do some roleblock discussion too.

Right, Karshe got killed and I got blocked. We either have Doc+Cop or we have vanilla town. The scum has known this all along.

Now Imagine this. Scum tried to block townie. Why on earth would they do that? Only makes sense if they are trying to do some mind games, but would it not be better to block someone other than me? Someone who is townie but who is acting scummy? Now imagine this: Scum tried to block Doc. If I am doc would their blocking me have helped in their assassination of Karshe? Not likely, I do not think I ever even mentioned Karshe before he was killed so why would they think I would try to save him? So scum tried to block Cop?

What are your thoughts on this?

On May 17 2011 09:26 prplhz wrote:
Sup guys

Right now I am mainly suspecting Mataza, mainly because of something that Mataza said early on:



Now this statement could very well be benign but it is doing two things: degrading the town to diminish people's confidence in their ability to play this game (overestimate) making them more susceptible to get influenced by someone (himself) and setting himself up as a "leader" of the town (my town). I do not know why Mataza is trying to set himself up as a leader of the town but there are two scenarios:

1. He's a scum: He wants to control people and mislead them to vote for innocent people and keep the mafia save.

2. He's a townie: He wants to control people and lead to to vote for guilty scum and keep the town save.

Either way he is trying to be a "leader" of the town and this in itself is bad. A town should never have a leader and should instead have people thinking very independently forming their own opinion, this should happen through discussion and activity of course. Mataza is very savvy and probably knows that having a leader is not good for a town, so why is he trying to set himself up to be one? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.

Now stuff that might talk against this:

First: Mataza is actually not pointing fingers at anybody, I think we should be very careful if he ever decides to "lead" "his town" to vote for someone. Second (as pointed out by Mataza himself): If he is trying to lead this town as a scum would lead it we would quickly find out (we would lynch innocent people). And since we can afford losing people, trading a townie (guy Mataza would want to lynch) for a scum (Mataza) is really a good deal for the town. Maybe he is setting himself and the mafia up for mid/late game? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.

Other than that I think that all the debate around Mataza is hurting the town (we are not talking about someone else). So to stop this I am going to talk about someone else:

VisceraEyes and GiygaS

It is very hard for me to argue against VisceraEyes and GiygaS because I am also suspicious of Mataza.

This is very hard because, while these two guys have been on Mataza's back the whole time they claim that it has been for the sake of activity. This has worked alright since these three guys are arguably the most contributing players in this game right now so their claimed plans have worked out well. But why are they not directing any of this activity against each other? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.

(Bladibla...)



While this might be a whole new game for everybody it should not be hard for an innocent townie to write a simple "hello" post. Maybe nard is having a hard time writing his first post because he is a scum with a hidden agenda and then he is thinking that everybody else is having a hard time too? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.

On May 17 2011 21:48 prplhz wrote:
(Bladibla...)

I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum.

I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis.

I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this:

@Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum?

(Bladibla...)

@VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq?

Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control

(Bladibla...)

It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum!

Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces

On May 18 2011 03:11 prplhz wrote:
@Skrammen

Hi, could you please, in a very short while, provide A LOT more content for us to analyze? I was kinda hoping you would get modkilled.

On May 18 2011 06:20 prplhz wrote:
Maybe we cracked down too much on people trying to create drama 'cause I have to agree with Karshe that there is too little discussion going on.

So I'm asking everybody (and that include you, person who is reading this now) to post who they would like to get lynched on day2 in case they themselves will get assassinated during the night. I think that I might be a target (hoping for a cute nurse to help me out though!) so this is probably quite relevant. This will be great for town, we can have you analytical skills readily available for day2 even if you get killed during the night!

So let me say that I've cracked down a bit on the active people, but in the end I think I am going to vote for an inactive player because the evil you don't know is far more scary than the evil you do know! This will most likely only be for day1 though and I'm sure the scums already know that. So if they eliminate me it will be because they might be afraid that I will try to rally people to kill off someone who I think is a scum, and who is active.

People who fit this description according to my posts so far are VisceraEyes and GiygaS, I said that if they turned on each other they would most likely be one scum, one good guy. So if I happen to get mafia killed on first night I think these are people you should really watch out for, but probably only one of them is scum!

So what about you people, if you had to write a testament to the town today, what would it say?

And by the way, I am going to write a vote post in around an hour, so it will be up before two hours.

((OOC: Oh and Palmar, no hard feelings about the "idiot" thing ))

On May 18 2011 07:35 prplhz wrote:
Yea I'm gonna go ahead and vote now.

##Vote Skrammen

Reason for this is that he just comes in 8 hours before day1 ends, casts and vote with 2 paragraphs of resonable and does not respond to our pleas that he post some more content. I am going to be honest with you and say that maybe he's not the one who is most likely to be scum but I think he's the most harmful for the town right now.

If I should have voted for most likely to be scum I would vote for VisceraEyes for reasons I have already stated. Also his latest post is not really convincing me of anything else either.

To answer the post VisceraEyes just made, the one that was mainly about me; No I don't control anybody Other than that I can't seem to find anything in your post I should need to comment on because mostly you're just saying that you disagree with what I said.

On May 18 2011 07:25 GiygaS wrote:
Hello everyone!

On the subject of me having 3 votes, I'm more worried about who could slip by. Namely Skrammen.

Skrammen hasn't posted at all until suddenly, he burst on the scene: Announcing his business the last few days very vaguely, Then jumps on the current trend of voting for me, without any reasoning behind doing so. This seems very dangerous to me, so I'm going to vote for him for the same reason that prplhz has reasoned: an evil unknown is far greater then a known one.

##Vote Skrammen

On May 18 2011 10:55 prplhz wrote:
Yea this may be a huge mistake but if I'm gonna make it, it is going to be in the first game.

##Unvote Skrammen
##Vote GiygaS

My rationale:

The whole "vote for skrammen" thing was never about him being scum, it was about him being inactive and voting out of the blue. I think that we are going to have a lot better read on VisceraEyes, Mataza and Skrammen if we flip GiygaS, while flipping Skrammen will really give us nothing. Inactive players have hopefully learned their lesson.

Also I think it is very awesome that everybody voted, but it would be more awesome if everybody posted regularly too!

If he does not flip red I think the VisceraEyes is the best bid for a scum next time.

I'll probably be unavailable for the next 24 hours by way, and also for the first part of day1 but I will be here to answer questions just not to provide analysis.

On May 18 2011 06:20 prplhz wrote:
Maybe we cracked down too much on people trying to create drama 'cause I have to agree with Karshe that there is too little discussion going on.

So I'm asking everybody (and that include you, person who is reading this now) to post who they would like to get lynched on day2 in case they themselves will get assassinated during the night. I think that I might be a target (hoping for a cute nurse to help me out though!) so this is probably quite relevant. This will be great for town, we can have you analytical skills readily available for day2 even if you get killed during the night!

So let me say that I've cracked down a bit on the active people, but in the end I think I am going to vote for an inactive player because the evil you don't know is far more scary than the evil you do know! This will most likely only be for day1 though and I'm sure the scums already know that. So if they eliminate me it will be because they might be afraid that I will try to rally people to kill off someone who I think is a scum, and who is active.

People who fit this description according to my posts so far are VisceraEyes and GiygaS, I said that if they turned on each other they would most likely be one scum, one good guy. So if I happen to get mafia killed on first night I think these are people you should really watch out for, but probably only one of them is scum!

So what about you people, if you had to write a testament to the town today, what would it say?

And by the way, I am going to write a vote post in around an hour, so it will be up before two hours.

((OOC: Oh and Palmar, no hard feelings about the "idiot" thing ))

On May 20 2011 11:09 prplhz wrote:
Hey

I just want to clarify that what GiygaS said after his lynching should NOT be considered by anybody as evidence of anything. The game ends when you die but as the rules state you can make a GG post and that's what GiygaS did.



It is very unfortunate that he did not stop his sentence 3 words and a smiley earlier but I am sure that he did not mean anything by it.

I'll post more analysis later but I'm always up for questions directed at me.