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When I read your tweet, I thought you were going to completely change your personality or something. Glad to see thats not the case. I don't think the those 2 reddit threads would have gotten as heated and full of hate as they did if NASL wasn't happening.
Since you're going to be public face of it, it's natural to expect a little more hate than you're used to, but all the recent drama certainly hasn't helped things. I don't think anyone will hold it against you since this is a sincere post and was probably difficult for you to write. As much as the entire community can focus hate on someone, I'm also certain that they can forgive.
Maybe it was a good thing the way all this stuff happened, I'm sure you can recognize that being the school bully wasn't really going to fly with NASL happening and your involvement. I don't know if you knew that before, but hey you certainly do now, so don't sweat it. I don't know that what people really wanted was for you to reduce your exposure outside of NASL events, but certainly injecting a bit of neutrality and manner into your persona is almost necessary for your position to work.
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Lets do it!! You're the man for the job Geoff!!
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That meant a lot to many of ous, atleast me Good to hear from u Geoff, we believe in u! We believe in ESPORTS! NASL will be great!
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Everyone makes mistakes but the best thing you can do is learn from it and move on. I would still hire you as a life coach, because your still an amazing person
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Sounds cool. I don't expect you to suddenly be picture perfect and never speak negatively or joke about anyone, but maybe be a bit more wary of when it's time to lay off a certain track.
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It is a sad fucking day when iNcontroL, a proven member and veteran of the esports community has to write an apology like this. All this hyper-PC bullshit combined with the ridiculous smear campaign from a few people avalanching due to senseless bandwagoning really makes me sick.
Ultimately, however, if there is one person who I KNOW I can count on to put his ego aside, and do what is best for ESPORTS no matter how much it hurts, it is iNcontroL. You have my respect, Geoff. Seriously.
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reddit are morons. you're doing great, keep it up
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Good to hear man, but i hope you dont change too much! Everyone makes misstakes.
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On February 26 2011 05:36 elmizzt wrote: It is a sad fucking day when iNcontroL, a proven member and veteran of the esports community has to write an apology like this. All this hyper-PC bullshit combined with the ridiculous smear campaign from a few people avalanching due to senseless bandwagoning really makes me sick.
Ultimately, however, if there is one person who I KNOW I can count on to put his ego aside, and do what is best for ESPORTS no matter how much it hurts, it is iNcontroL. You have my respect, Geoff. Seriously. I don't think it's ridiculous that he had to apologize... I mean, as he wrote, it was the right thing to do. He made a couple bad decisions and when you're the public face of something and you make those mistakes an apology is the reasonable thing to do.
That said, iNcontroL... I love what you do for ESPORTS, GL HF with NASL :-)
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On February 26 2011 05:36 elmizzt wrote: It is a sad fucking day when iNcontroL, a proven member and veteran of the esports community has to write an apology like this. All this hyper-PC bullshit combined with the ridiculous smear campaign from a few people avalanching due to senseless bandwagoning really makes me sick.
The way an esports figure could behave in the past is not necessarily the way an esports figure could behave in the future. We want our community to grow, not to be insular. We want to be a crowd of friendly and fun, but first and foremost serious-minded and competitive people if we want to really be taken seriously and have mass appeal. We can't be a community that goes "kelly says banerings hahahah"(didn't actually catch the jokes incontrol made fwiw) or drops the word "rape" in shoutcasts or has edgy and controversial figures at its forefront. If Incontrol wants to be the figurehead of this operation, if he feels he has to be the figurehead of this operation, he has to be willing to adjust to the level of his station.
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I'll admit that I didn't like the fun made of Kelly, and I do think that your argumentative style tends too much toward "that's retarded" instead of "I disagree". But I still like hearing your opinions and respect you as a good source of Starcraft 2 knowledge.
I really hope you don't stop streaming or doing state of the game. I think the NASL is a really great thing for esports, and I'm really grateful you're leading the charge. You might have to learn to be a little more 'professional', but don't let the bastards grind you down.
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No longer a banling? Good luck Inc. I hope the changes you chose to make work out for you. Everyone makes mistakes. Its how you deal with them is what is important.
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incontrol... you have done so much for the community the least the community could do is to forget the whole issue and just keep on celebrating western esports which is exploding right now.
i appreciate your work at nasl, you work as a player and you as a funny, entertaining guy
keep it up
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We all make mistakes big fella. It takes a big man to honestly own up to them. Your passion for gaming and SC2 is fantastic. Learn from mistakes but don't let the haters extinguish your fire and passion. It's people like you who have been building eSports for quite some time now. We're often targeted and hated on but if you keep your eye on the prize you'll find success for yourself and the community that you love.
Best wishes and good luck,
Jason Lake
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hey incontrol
It seems the stress of Nasl has been getting to you.
From what i see is that you need balance, you don't need to be the tightly strung professional, nor can you be as casual as you were before you were such a pulbic figure.
I give you an expample. look at Day9. if you look back to a lot of his older posts, you can see he clearly made some that were a little crude. he has since deleted most of them. Reason he deleted them was because he is now the biggest figure in starcraft, and he deemed those posts not to be good for him if those were ever to be found.
Day9 still is himself, he still is funny and charming, but he had to tone it down for the sake of professionalism. he has found the balance between both. you shold do the same. you need to represent NASL on a professional level, and be yourself at the same time.
to be honest what i understand from everything is that you restreamed gsl and essentialy mocked and made fun of kelly. for many reasons that was no tthe right thing to do. there were lines that were crossed, and you knew that. we are humans and make mistakes, yours just happend to be in the spotlight.
what i think is you really need to be who you are, but be careful not to cross lines like you have before. like i had said, find the balance. many other people have found their balance, and done really well.
still be who you are, but just be a little more cautious not to cross lines. its what every pulbic figure does.
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I just think that sometimes the joking is a bit too personal and disrespectful-sounding, more like bullying. While as a normal person among friends that can no doubt be absolutely hilarious, it's not too becoming when it comes from a professional player and caster regarding other players and casters.
Artosis is (or used to be) pretty similar I feel, but he has toned it down some and to me done it just the right amount as well. I feel if you just tone down some of the more extreme stuff that we all know (and usually like) you're just saying to get people riled up, it would be ok. I recognize the situation because I'm exactly like that myself and have to make an effort among strangers I don't wish to offend too much, to restrain myself and my candid humor to a somewhat more appropriate level. You don't have to go all the way and become a children's program host though like Day9.
I've never been much of a fan before but I will wish you good luck in your career and personal development so hopefully I and many others can become fans some day.
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Nice words. Can't wait for NASL.
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Don't take it too harshly! Some people are blowing this way out of hand! There are very many of us who love you they way you are, we just got out-shouted by the haters. The re-streaming incident was obviously not the greatest, but do not take it too badly: You made a mistake and apologized. The amount of hate is not even remotely proportional or justified. We love you Geoff!
Keep whipping your hair back and forth! <3 <3 <3
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Now they are taking iNcontroL from us; who is next? I'm asking. And who can bear the weight of his mighty Banhammer? Is there another man for the job?
Goddamn political correctness...
Good Luck Geoff, go win a tournament so you can show IdrA how to spend the prize money, m'kay?
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On February 26 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:You may think you can name better people but for now you may just have to trust me that there are no others with these factors in alignment with their abilities.
No offense, but there are definitely others who could do what you are trying to do.
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