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Dr. InControl, those of us who enjoy and support what you do, who you are, and everything you bring to this community (and there are loads of us who do!) understand that any comments/etc are all in good fun. I never would have asked you to apologize for anything thus far, and it sucks that some people made you feel that you had to.
It's totally understandable that being one of the pillars of NASL will demand a bit more professional demeanor, but that comes with starting such a huge, public-facing project. As others have said before me: I really hope you don't change too much! Your personality is a huge part of why people love you, and some tend to hate on you. That's part of being a man imo, if you don't have a polarizing effect on people, you run the risk of fading into the crowd.
That said, you're a guy who I'd love to grab a beer with and shoot the shit. I love what you're doing for SC and esports. Keep on truckin, and be who you are.
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I have never posted on TL before but I just wanted to say this.
Apology accepted.
It's not easy being an image and a face of something. But with professionalism comes responsibility, you need to take that responsibility and stop complaining about the community so much, because that drives a line between what you and the pros want and the general average watcher of e-sports wants.
Day9's success is not hard to capture, you just need to listen and take what you can get from all kinds of feedback, and just be positive. You were not being positive you were just saying you were. Drop the i'm right attitude and work on just being your self and creating a sport that people will enjoy watching. Day9 does so well simply because he cares about the game, not about the money behind the game, and that in term gets him publicity and makes him popular.
Don't be surprised if the replay thing doesn't work for the masses, but if it does, then it does.
Good luck dude, it's a whole new ballgame now.
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I agree that (based on my interpretation of the facts as they've presented here/on reddit/etc) that you made a mistake by restreaming GSL and making sarcastic comments about it (at least, in a place where someone was able to see and screenshot them), especially since you're the public face of NASL.
That being said, the overwhelming backlash is absurdly disproportionate to the mistake that you seem to have made, especially given your quick and sincere apology. It's got to be hard dealing with crap like this, but please don't overwhelmingly reduce your public exposure outside of NASL. Stuff like SotG (as well as the community as a whole) would suffer greatly from your absence.
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Nobody complained when you trashed on Artosis for 5 straight minutes on SotG, because it was all in good fun and quite possibly one of the funniest moments in the history of e-sports.
I never heard what you said about Kelly, but frankly I'm a little bummed you'll be taking a more serious approach in the future 
Either way, this is probably a change for the better, at least until the NASL is a little more established.
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It's okay, we love you.
"I am no longer the joking or "douchy" persona on a podcast, streamer, EG captain or w/e..."well crap, does this mean state of the game will be state of the lame? as in all serious podcast or are you going to still joke around? Incontrol, the community loves U
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ok its obvious the restreaming thing was a mistake.
However outside of that. DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT URSELF.
Do not censor or try to act a certain way simply because you believe that is what constitutes "professionalism". What does that even mean?! You are who you are and that is why the SC community loves listening to you talk. You are freaking hilarious and entertaining. I wouldnt listen to SOTG every week if u wernt on it with ur hilarious jokes and comments. Also thank you for being the brotoss to slap some sense into QQing zergs saying P is OP.
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apology not accepted. I was personally scarred by the stuff you were talking about, on a personal level. Whatever that stuff was. I already forgot.
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Everyone says stupid stuff time to time. It happens to everyone at one point or more in their life and they usually wish they could have taken it back. It is pretty cool that you took the time to write a letter.
Keep on trucking and hopefully everything goes in the right direction for you. I am going to enjoy the NASL and give it a lot of attention in the future. Like anything worth while it will get better as time progresses.
Good luck with your endeavours and I look forward to more of your content you create!
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you can let me buy you a beer at PAX EAST!!!!!
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Wow, I respect you more so than ever now and I apologize for any negativity I may have brought you in the past. Now realize you are a great choice for the NASL. I do also hope you don't just stop joking on sotg for that podcast is freaking great keep it up. I hope all goes well! iNcontrol fighting!!!
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I would rather see you keep being your old self! the good parts way outweigh the occasional mistake.
inc fighting and so on and forth ^_^V
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On February 26 2011 05:52 cpmoney wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:You may think you can name better people but for now you may just have to trust me that there are no others with these factors in alignment with their abilities. No offense, but there are definitely others who could do what you are trying to do.
I can't think of a single person with the ability, drive, and visibility that could do what iNc can. Sure there are better casters, better organizers, better players, but there isn't anyone with a large fan base who combines all of these aspects into a single person. Can you imagine the backlash from TL fans if Nasl.tv removed geoff and replaced him with any caster other than day9? There are very few hyper-visible popular figures in ESPORTS atm, and iNcontroL is one of them (the others being tasteless, day9, djwheat, idra, artosis, etc, and all of them are already commited to other projects). ANYONE else would be entirely unable to draw in viewers and interest.
So get off the man's back and let him do his goddamn job.
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I have nothing but faith in you.
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Amongst all the apologising, which I completely respect, you seem to have neglected the issue with
John 'Total Biscuit' Bain. As I read through I was sure his name would arise at some point. It hasn't.
I heard on SotG that Kelly asked you to stop impersonating her which let to your 'making up' (I don't know the details of course) are you expecting the first move my TB also?
In my honest opinion, I know it's not in your protoss nature but why not just go all in  make the apology here, then I think a lot of fans like me can rest assured knowing everything is all nice at settled.
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As a long time reddit member I want to say that reddit is a huge community, sure we have a starcraft subreddit but it attracts people from all the other subreddits.
With this many people there will be, undoubtedly, many opinions about everything and everyone.
Unfortunately, and as is the case with many other large websides, the "hivemind" attitude will always take things to the extreme - find a funny meme? repost it 100 times, guy needs $5 for lunch? send him 100 pizzas, guy lied about needing $5 for lunch? ruin his life.
That being said, I want to apologize on behalf of /r/sc and hope that theres no hurt feelings over this.
Being a longtime member of both communities I can assure you that we all have the same goal in mind:
Making Western eSports a great success!
glhf~~
BTW love your podcast :D
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There are plentiful of casters but only one inControL.
Sure, mocking kelly was not the best move but I think you will lose popularity if you tone down. The reason people love you is because you say what you think and don't bow down to the pressure from the immature morons.
Whatever way you go, inControL fighting!
Oh, and don't leave State of the game either way. You are the best part of that show!
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I created an account on TL entirely because I wanted to discuss this whole shitstorm. Here's my take, or at least what it's amounted to so far.
A lot of people trying to figure out why things have gotten crazy have focused on the fact that the anonymity of the Internet allows people to be dicks. That's certainly true, and it contributes--no question there. But it's only part of the picture.
The bigger factor by far is that there's a barrier to posting your opinion about anything in a public forum. In in-person conversation, people's expressed opinions on a subject are "eh, whatever" all the time. Who posts that on the Internet?
I would be absolutely blown away if the divide between rabid fans and rabid detractors were really so strong as it seems from reading a random thread on Reddit or something. On Reddit, either you're a racist who hates women and is conducting some sort of under-handed operation with NASL (not even kidding!) or any criticism of you will doom NASL, and because NASL is the one chance for SCII to get big in the West, any criticism of you actually ruins all of our lives forever.
Another problem, I think, is that due to the tremendous extent to which the larger SCII community gets some insight into progamers' lives--we see the inside of apartments, raw footage from parties, live streams--the viewing public is led to believe that they have all the context they need. The end result is that when you BM another pro, they use their preconceived notions about you to determine whether you're doing it because you're a giant tool or because the two of you are friends and you joke around comfortably.
In a totally different competitive activity, I am a vice-president of a major outreach organization (that runs a national championship, to boot), a moderator of its online community, and a player. All three. But I'm careful about putting the right hat on. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to troll it up on State of the Game, and there's no reason you shouldn't be able to whip your hair on your stream. But keep those personae rigorously separate from your NASL persona. I'm a former debater too; I know you can put on a professional face when you need to. And, much as in debate, you can let some levity in, even if it might be easier at first to be all business, just to make sure you keep your boundaries.
I can't imagine a progamer I'd have more faith in than you, Geoff, to start off this league. I'm pulling for you. I hope to be at a LAN sometime, though who knows when--or perhaps I'll buy some coaching. I hope I get a chance to thank you, both for my standard PvZ build and for being a strong leader of this community.
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We all make mistakes big fella. It takes a big man to honestly own up to them. Your passion for gaming and SC2 is fantastic. Learn from mistakes but don't let the haters extinguish your fire and passion. It's people like you who have been building eSports for quite some time now. We're often targeted and hated on but if you keep your eye on the prize you'll find success for yourself and the community that you love.
Best wishes and good luck,
Jason Lake
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I also created an account to say that all you have to do is not be a dick. Everything else is completely alright, just stop being a dick. You weren't as dickish until NASL came out (or at least not as publicly dickish) and people were cool with it.
STOP BEING A DICK.
And ignore all those people who apologize on behalf of /r/sc. There is still a high level of skepticism. If you want to see a crazy change in public perception on reddit, just do an AMA and people will be running over to you trying to suck your dick.
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I think some of the backlash you received over recent events was deserved. However I also believe that you understand where you went wrong and what you need to work on in the future.
However you go about things, this better not result in any reduction of hair whipping, particularly of the back and forth variety.
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