On February 27 2011 12:36 iNcontroL wrote: I've responded to every PM I've received about that. mani brought it up in this thread for reasons beyond me.. they aren't connected at all and it's out of place here.
I just thought it was related, since this thread seems to be your chance to clear the air on a lot of stuff, especially when you posted this:
"My profession and the community that is exposed to my profession demand a more serious approach. I do not look at this as a sacrifice but a necessary change. If I was just some player trying to commentate some games I would think my persona fine for that role. But I am not. I am the commentator for a league that is seeking to expand eSports in the west. I am a "face" for a brand that means a different future. "
And I was wondering how that new face relates to some of the other brands you have promoted. Maybe now is the time to address it as it might be more damaging later on when you have a higher profile. That was my motivation.
Alright that makes sense I appreciate that.
I have responded each PM I have received but I guess I can mention it here as well:
We originally said we will update the guide with videos and maintain it and that was eveyone's intention. The owner/guy that runs everything had his first child and since then became too busy to maintain the site. he tried to delineate work to others to keep it a float but without the main dude driving everything it kinda slowed to a halt. There were SOME updates but nowhere near what we had talked about.
Since then he has been really busy and obviously so have I/machine. The guide is still 13 hours + of content for a 1 time purchase but it isn't as great as we wanted it to be with the "living document" idea.
Here's the way i see it iNcontroll, if this community was pure Australia(inb4hatefromtrolls) i think people wouldn't give a shit, what you and the production team are doing, is fucking amazing man. Esports needs to be pushed everywhere and in any way possible. I wish we had someone like you in Aus pushing it for us cause over here it fucking sucks. This whole 'drama' is actualy hilarious to me and my friends who are reading this and i know we all agree you shouldn't care so much what the intertrolls say due to you laying down a handfull of jokes around in what like two sentences.
What i think this whole "situation" is like for anyone without a brain
I dont understand this whole expectation of you to act like a robot who is perfect in every single way, i think you need to listen to tasteless' mild rants during GSL when he talks from the perspective of cave-nerds in their basement troll-hut when the slightest hiccup occurs during some cast/production or situation that is so far beyond them that the only satisfaction they will get from wasting 6 seconds of their time is making you upset.
Stay awesome dude and stay above the trolls, its what makes you so entertaining.
I don't think people want him to act like a robot, they just don't want him being a dick to someone for their accent, or hypocritically banning people, and he wrote a really good apology for em both already, can't this be dropped already?
On February 28 2011 08:17 rift` wrote: Some people just don't have thick enough skin from growing up in luxury i guess.
Yeah, only poor people can appreciate his unappropriate jokes properly. Silly remark of the day (I'll stay polite, I'm luxury).
On a side note, trolls be trolls and fanboys be fanboys but since he himself expresses the need to "change" for the good of the community / the new job, asking him not to do it time and again, you should wonder on which side you are.
I like the old offensive incontrol, but I do not think it'd be compatible with his new goals/activities. Past that point, it's a big career opportunity for him that's in line, so he knows better than anyone else what he has and what he wants to do to take it in the right direction.
It's too bad that, like in politics, the idiots are the loudest ones. You gotta do what you gotta do man. I respect and appreciate you for that. I am also one of the lurkers you mentioned on SotG. I'm not good, this is my first RTS but I'm going to tell you the truth, your stream and analysis help me understand the game and make me want to become better.
Your comedy and light heartedness help me relax and unwind from school and homework and frustration in general.
Thanks for everything you do, gl hf with NASL!!! <3
Yeah, only poor people can appreciate his unappropriate jokes properly. Silly remark of the day (I'll stay polite, I'm luxury).
So you interpreted "luxury" as a money based comment?
My point is everyone is spoilt these days and expect perfection out of everything/everyone because they think they deserve it(if that wasn't evident in my youtube link, i'm sorry that your brain couldn't put one and one together) and when something happens everyone has a say on said persons personality like any of this is going to effect anything.
If you ever found iNcontroll offensive that sort of plays in to exactly what i was implying, you are thin skinned as he often takes light hearted jabs at people he knows and loves, at least that is my understanding.
Do you think it's fair that Artosis has been bad mouthing sanzenith for like 4 seaons in the GSL? No, no one talks or cares about this because people just enjoy getting their chance to jump on the hate train.
Clearly you want to argue against him so you can get a little attention and that's understandable. Being the rebel is way easier than being a level headed person who actually uses their brain.
So... Being the guy taking the piss out of minorities is being the level headed person, and me stating that it doesn't look good to sponsors is being the rebel? What would I do with attention? I'm just like all of you - a fucking nobody. I don't intend on trying to change that. However, just like iNcontrol's title doesn't give him a free pass, my lack of title doesn't make my point any less valid.
If you read my past posts, I have wished iNcontrol the best on numerous occasions. The guy means well, but his role in the SC2 scene just sky rocketted in importance.
I can't imagine him begging for that responsibility. I'm not sure, because I'm not at all involved. I don't understand your whole "taking the piss out of minorities" statement. Making fun of a horrible caster warrants that? You make absolutely no sense.
He didn't say that he begged for it. But if you read the OP, he seems to feel entitled to it. He seems to feel that he's deserving.
First off, InControl's personality is why 2-3k people watch his stream even at 3 or 4 in the morning central time. If he didn't have this personality he would be more professional with a lot less exposure. Pretty much along the same lines as IdrA, if IdrA didn't get mad and have such an honest asshole type of personality it would make ESports more professional but more boring at the same time. Just look at any sport, there are trash talkers that can split a room of 50 people into 2 groups of 25 and allows for arguments to ensue just because of someones strong personality. This allows for good back stories on players that have this type of manner and attitude.
All Inc should of done in the huko situation is report him to another mod. The restreaming he did himself was more about joking about the commentators and strats that the players were doing. His impersonations of Kelly and TB are just gentle stabs which weren't racist in the slightest. Even before Kelly went to SK to cast the GSL, INC and Kelly always joked and talked back and forth via twitter like good friends poking fun at each other.
Impersonations and comedy are supposed to be taken as jokes. Today we live in such a hypersensitive world where people like to argue that racism is gone, but people still love to point the finger at other people being racist out of their own insecurities about being racist.
That being said, half the reason I watch SOTG and INCs stream is because he doesn't filter himself and you can tell that he is a smart and decent human being. Honestly, people randomly message him stuff like, "NASL is going to suck you fat fuck" and he doesn't get upset, he just wants to know why people treat him that way. If you watch him coach on his stream, you can see that he tolerates people who don't even listen to him or his coaching, when most people would yell at the player to gg, Inc asks nicely to gg and start a new game to fix small mistakes.
Hope NASL works out for the sake of the SC2 community and I know you will do just fine with the amount of passion and time you put into this game. <3
First off let me say that I (we?) believe that you are truely sorry for what you did/what you are mentioning. But honestly saying sorry is just the first step of many. It takes time to get people to trust you, it really feels like you are doing quick damage control as early as possible so that you do not miss out on a good opportunity to be the face of NASL. No one can blame you for that though.
I am not trying to troll, or stir up trouble here on your thread but just giving you my 2 cents. You were just being yourself, a joking funny guy who likes to give people a hard time. That is who you are. And thats exactly why people may feel you are the incorrect person to represent them. They have an idea or image they are trying to represent and hey, maybe it isn't you. Everyone makes mistakes, but saying sorry 8 different ways in a long wordy post doesn't fix everything right away. Take time, show everyone that you "changed" and that is the most trustworthy worthwhile way of doing anything. You are not a child, you know this.
I do not think anyone doubts that you have the means, time, and devotion to be the representative of NASL, but I do think people (now) doubt that you maybe THE guy for it. If this happened a year ago, making fun of Kelly etc, you would have just laughed it off said sorry in a sentence, act sarcastic, and it would have just faded into the void of TL threads.
In short, you were just being yourself, fantastic. That maybe the exact reason why you got in this spot in the first place.
don't get to serious, i think everyone loves the fresh air of some incontrol jokes and behaviour... just because some people are dicks and don't understand your intelligent humor, doesn't mean u have to change for them! i don't think you have have to stop acting how you were in the past, because NASL and everything other "big" isn't worth to lose yourself.
i mean, why does every big institution or government has to act like they are super-perfect-humans... that's just retarded imo... stay who you are, personally i don't like the super serious business incontrol
Wow, according to most people in this blog incontrol can do no wrong. Did you guys see that clip of him walking on water while he healed a blind man? Unbelievable stuff.
On February 28 2011 14:20 Helios.Star wrote: Wow, according to most people in this blog incontrol can do no wrong. Did you guys see that clip of him walking on water while he healed a blind man? Unbelievable stuff.
Very poor attempt at mocking religion. Sadly though, now that iNcontroL gave up his ban power, who will mod the religion threads in the future... iNcontroL is the manliest man that the starcraft community has ever known. Long Live NASL!
On February 28 2011 11:53 Demonace34 wrote: First off, InControl's personality is why 2-3k people watch his stream even at 3 or 4 in the morning central time.
NASL is going to be MUCH MUCH bigger than that, which is all the more reason to tidy up a bit. There wouldn't be $400,000 on the table if NASL sponsors expected 2-3k people to tune in. NASL needs to appeal to a VERY wide audience in order to be profitable, and in order to break international boundaries, "I"s will need to be dotted, and "T"s will need to be crossed.
On February 28 2011 11:53 Demonace34 wrote: If he didn't have this personality he would be more professional with a lot less exposure. Pretty much along the same lines as IdrA, if IdrA didn't get mad and have such an honest asshole type of personality it would make ESports more professional but more boring at the same time.
The difference is.... IdrA is a spokes person for himself and EG only. If EG don't have a problem, all the more power to them. Don't expect those that IdrA labels "bad" to sign up to support EG.
On February 28 2011 11:53 Demonace34 wrote: Hope NASL works out for the sake of the SC2 community and I know you will do just fine with the amount of passion and time you put into this game. <3
Agreed! <3
Also, to those who bring up Dana White, the difference is... Dana White has a plethora of sponsors throwing money at him to have their product on TV. eSports is NO WHERE near that level. Also, I don't know how often Dana White has done something as childish as mocked an Asian accent. I'm also unaware of the popularity of UFC in Asian countries... I'm not convinced it would rival SC2 in, say, South Korea, for example.
Yeah, only poor people can appreciate his unappropriate jokes properly. Silly remark of the day (I'll stay polite, I'm luxury).
So you interpreted "luxury" as a money based comment?
My point is everyone is spoilt these days and expect perfection out of everything/everyone because they think they deserve it(if that wasn't evident in my youtube link, i'm sorry that your brain couldn't put one and one together) and when something happens everyone has a say on said persons personality like any of this is going to effect anything.
If you ever found iNcontroll offensive that sort of plays in to exactly what i was implying, you are thin skinned as he often takes light hearted jabs at people he knows and loves, at least that is my understanding.
Do you think it's fair that Artosis has been bad mouthing sanzenith for like 4 seaons in the GSL? No, no one talks or cares about this because people just enjoy getting their chance to jump on the hate train.
Sorry, was not interested in your youtube link, didn't bother checking it before. Did now, doesn't really address the issue imo.
If the guy in your video is sitting in his plane and the captain makes a joke/fake announcement about an engine being on fire, thick skinned or not, not sure every passenger will keep on enjoying that "miracle of flying".
Nobody ever asked anybody to be perfect, nor do I have any idea about what you mean with perfection anyway (you define it, thanks).
And again, I like his style of corrosive/agressive humor but with that kind of humor I think you learn you gotta bite your tongue now and then when among strangers because not everyone enjoys or understands or accepts it. Because it's ok with you doesn't mean it's ok with everyone.
He's gonna reach to a much bigger crowd soon, if he wants to address to as many people as possible and not lose people (and money) on the way because of one or two bad jokes, I think tidying his attitude is the smart way to proceed.
On February 28 2011 07:18 Jibba wrote: I wasn't around for what happened but I wish I was. This professionalism thing is being taken too far, and I hope it doesn't start sterilizing everything. Of course the things you said were mean, but so was BiggerT, trolling on BGH and Klazart impressions, and they're all hilarious.
The claim is that "unprofessionalism" will hurt your chances at success, but I haven't seen it negatively impact Dana White and loads of other people promoting niche entertainment.
To be honest, I care more about Mani's points than anything else here.
Perfectly summed up my view on this. G'luck with everything Geoff!
ITT: If he made fun of SuperDanielMan it would be funny but because it was Kelly the white knights of the internet rushed to her defense.
I mean how many other people has he made fun of accents in his usual light-hearted humour and it's been ok?
[QUOTE]On February 28 2011 20:29 Lucian wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2011 08:09 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2011 07:18 Jibba wrote:
I mean how many other people has he made fun of accents in his usual light-hearted humour and it's been ok?[/QUOTE]
How many other times was iNcontrol on the eve of becoming the face of a $400,000 p/year tourney, spanning all over the world, trying to promote eSports globally?
On February 28 2011 07:18 Jibba wrote: I wasn't around for what happened but I wish I was. This professionalism thing is being taken too far, and I hope it doesn't start sterilizing everything. Of course the things you said were mean, but so was BiggerT, trolling on BGH and Klazart impressions, and they're all hilarious.
The claim is that "unprofessionalism" will hurt your chances at success, but I haven't seen it negatively impact Dana White and loads of other people promoting niche entertainment.
To be honest, I care more about Mani's points than anything else here.
Perfectly summed up my view on this. G'luck with everything Geoff!
ITT: If he made fun of SuperDanielMan it would be funny but because it was Kelly the white knights of the internet rushed to her defense.
I mean how many other people has he made fun of accents in his usual light-hearted humour and it's been ok?
I think the kelly thing was only a big deal because kelly was already copping so much shit from the community, it wasn't appropriate to tease her since she had enough to deal with at the time. I'm sure incontrol didn't mean any harm by it and he stopped when she asked him to.
Everyone was already looking for more reasons to hate incontrol at the time, even though the re-streaming incident was poor judgement, it was blown way out of proportion.
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