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^ Right, because people weren't thinking that already. How in the world could someone possibly think it's hard to understand her.
Don't get me wrong, i thought it was mildly offensive as someone who is half asian, but on the other hand it isn't far off what many people are thinking already. But it's much more enjoyable to get an honest opinion from someone, than simply being quite about it. If we want esports to improve, their should be open (albeit immature) dialogue. If we just accept the way everything is going, things will never improve. There is nothing wrong with questioning the choice of someone who will represent esports.
Love what you do iNcontrol. I think you're a great person for this, you show to those outside the community that you don't have to be some awkward nerd to enjoy esports. i can't believe people are up in arms about what you've done, that's right in line with people bashing howard stern, tom green, and others because they have their panties in a bunch. Get over it.
Keep things in check, remember where your priorities are, but at the end of the day haters gonna hate and if you have an opinion about anything, someone is going to get offended by it, but you interest many more. That's why we remember you, and others remember esports.
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On February 27 2011 19:22 Belial88 wrote:
^ Right, because people weren't thinking that already. How in the world could someone possibly think it's hard to understand her.
Don't get me wrong, i thought it was mildly offensive as someone who is half asian, but on the other hand it isn't far off what many people are thinking already. But it's much more enjoyable to get an honest opinion from someone, than simply being quite about it. If we want esports to improve, their should be open (albeit immature) dialogue. If we just accept the way everything is going, things will never improve. There is nothing wrong with questioning the choice of someone who will represent esports.
Love what you do iNcontrol. I think you're a great person for this, you show to those outside the community that you don't have to be some awkward nerd to enjoy esports. i can't believe people are up in arms about what you've done, that's right in line with people bashing howard stern, tom green, and others because they have their panties in a bunch. Get over it.
Keep things in check, remember where your priorities are, but at the end of the day haters gonna hate and if you have an opinion about anything, someone is going to get offended by it, but you interest many more. That's why we remember you, and others remember esports.
Look dude, here's the thing: just because people who are half-Asian or Asian say that they are not offended by by InC does not mean that I, and others, are not offended by him. When I heard the way he mocked Kelly, it was seriously a WTF moment for me.
Now, stepping away from what I feel personally, let's think about what InC represents for the growth of E-Sports, and Starcraft in North America. How many female, non-white English casters are there out there, and more importantly, why is the lack of such diversity so important?
Look into the audience of any professional SC1 studio broadcast in Korea. What is the gender ratio? I bet you will find young women, as well as men, and sometimes even families all watching Starcraft. We don't have this culture in the United States. Whenever someone comes around, someone like Kelly who might be a "noob" in your opinion, we just flame them to death. Hell, even a "respected member" like InC mocked her publically.
Look guys, I know you are all friends with Inc and wish him the best but if you want E-Sports to be mainstream, you CANNOT marginalize certain members of the community the way InC did. If he, or other members continue to do so, Starcraft will continue to be something that is enjoyed by men in the 14-26 year old bracket and no one outside of that.
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On February 27 2011 18:23 frodoguy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 16:37 fer wrote:
What's wrong with Huko?
In what planet does
"Watching a re-stream" == "Restreaming".
If anything, iNcontroL should've been warned / banned / whatever for dubious judgement or abusive use of his moderating powers, but your ban should have never been lifted. what dubious judgement? and what abusive use of his moderating powers? Watching a restream and restreaming both give out the same result i.e showing live gsl matches, but it is free anyway (unless you watch HQ, but people aren't gonna restream something that they paid for, i mean would you feel like showing hq stream to others when you paid for it and they didnt?) so i don't know what the big fuss is about with the restreams.
People frequently share things that they payed for and other people didn't. Have you never shared a pack of crisps that you bought with someone?
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True, there really is too much sexism around for it to be conducive to getting more women as players, fans. SuperDanielMan's english wasn't great either. I never once remember someone bashing him for it. Maybe the community has changed and become less tolerant, but I think it's more likely the reason that Kelly is a woman that she is copping so much shit.
Before anyone jumps in and says 'Hey! I'm not sexist and I don't like her casting' for a), b), c) reasons, I'm not saying every single person who has any criticism of Kelly is sexist. Simply that the amount of abuse is fueled in part by it. And really, reading some of the comments tonight like:
someone put a dick down kelly's throat, she needs to stfu and let tasteless talk, I can;t understand kelly have the time
Kelly's job requires good English and frankly her accent is unbearable. If you think she's hot, watch your porn before your Starcraft
lilsusie had x10 more fluent English and way hotter than Kelly -_-
Super daniel man had an accent but it's one we enjoyed and he had REAL insight into the game. Super daniel man was funny and he told it like it is. Bring back SDM! or even lilsusie for her big juggs!
Yeah... It's definitely not sexism...
(note these were from the GOM forums but the point is THOSE people are the community. The reason most of them aren't so blunt here is because we have good moderation).
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On February 27 2011 11:22 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Jesus man, you're beating a dead horse. Stop trying to win people to your side against iNcontroL whilst professing to be a fan. You're not making yourself look very good. If you have a beef with him still, discuss it with him personally. Stop trying to sway people to your side of events. Whilst Inc is being contrite and apologising you're still banging away at his sins, while not apologising yourself for anything or accepting any blame for what happened. At this point you're just damaging your own version of events.
Like I said before, I indeed look like a complete douche because I was involved. This is a deadhorse to everyone who actually knows what happened, but the majority don't (as you can see in this blog). Post after post its like, haters gon hate, keep doing what you do, so I am responding to the fact that "haters" have a perfectly valid reason to hate.
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On February 27 2011 20:25 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:22 Subversive wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Jesus man, you're beating a dead horse. Stop trying to win people to your side against iNcontroL whilst professing to be a fan. You're not making yourself look very good. If you have a beef with him still, discuss it with him personally. Stop trying to sway people to your side of events. Whilst Inc is being contrite and apologising you're still banging away at his sins, while not apologising yourself for anything or accepting any blame for what happened. At this point you're just damaging your own version of events. Like I said before, I indeed look like a complete douche because I was involved. This is a deadhorse to everyone who actually knows what happened, but the majority don't (as you can see in this blog). Post after post its like, haters gon hate, keep doing what you do, so I am responding to the fact that "haters" have a perfectly valid reason to hate.
Let them read the thread. What are you trying to do, reply with the same complaints over 90 pages because they didn't read the previous comments? They're not going to read your responses then either. They'll make their comment of support, then close the tab.
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On February 27 2011 20:05 Simplistik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 18:23 frodoguy wrote:On February 27 2011 16:37 fer wrote:
What's wrong with Huko?
In what planet does
"Watching a re-stream" == "Restreaming".
If anything, iNcontroL should've been warned / banned / whatever for dubious judgement or abusive use of his moderating powers, but your ban should have never been lifted. what dubious judgement? and what abusive use of his moderating powers? Watching a restream and restreaming both give out the same result i.e showing live gsl matches, but it is free anyway (unless you watch HQ, but people aren't gonna restream something that they paid for, i mean would you feel like showing hq stream to others when you paid for it and they didnt?) so i don't know what the big fuss is about with the restreams. People frequently share things that they payed for and other people didn't. Have you never shared a pack of crisps that you bought with someone?
Well you practically share a pack of crisps with a friend, whereas the HQ restream is 1 person buying and letting some randoms get same privilege for free.
And what's with all this sexism talk? How does sexism come into this? I get that kelly is hugely critisised and that shes a women, but i mean, i must be missing something.
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Takes some balls to write these types of posts. Respect.
Now lets get ready to rumble, bring on the sc2 and the GOSUNESS. 
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First of all, what happened to the banhammer?
On topic: I think that you raise a valid point. However consider that your (online) personality is what your fans like about you, trying to change that will be forced and weird. I will follow your casts and content no matter how you decide to adress this issue but in my opinion simply trying to cut down a little on the things that people take serious offense to should be enough.
And your restream of the GSL was not even that big of a deal to be honest. No one was watching that instead of the GSL streamed matches. It was a totally different type of content and you might aswell had been doing an audio only stream. Then it would be no problem. You had the window for the stream so small that people couldnt really make out what was happening.
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On February 27 2011 14:44 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 14:36 RaFeStaR wrote:
I can't imagine him begging for that responsibility. I'm not sure, because I'm not at all involved. I don't understand your whole "taking the piss out of minorities" statement. Making fun of a horrible caster warrants that? You make absolutely no sense.
Mocking an Asian due to their accent is an age-old joke. I think its a joke, however others would call it overt racism. Some of the people who think its overt racism may be paying for season tickets, or buying X brand's RAM. The responsibility comes with the territory. Lindsey Lohan didn't ask to be photographed snorting coke. When you nominate yourself to be in the limelight, you need to act professional at all times... It sucks ass at times, but thats all part of the game.
Anyone who takes offense at impersonating an accent is a buffoon. You hear mocking of British accents, Italian accents, French accents, why isn't that considered racist? Just because those cultures are all white? Mocking one of those cultures is equally insensitive to mocking Singaporean culture, and in any case it is completely innocuous. It's not even comparable to an embarrassing and crippling drug addiction.
iNcontroL, you have nothing to apologize for, except perhaps the ambiguous "restreaming" (it barely qualifies as that, I guess). It angers me that you're being punished and put in a position to censor yourself. Look at Artosis, he makes fun of the players in the GSL all the time, does GOM care? Do the fans care? No way. This whole thing is being overblown just because a few people want to pretend it's a race issue.
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What was the quote ? ""With great power comes great responsibility ?"
I like Incontrol's sense of humor most of the time despite (but also because of) his cockyness, arrogance and so on, but maybe only because it's never been directed at a community I was part of (or I didn't care that much about it) so the whole damn thing is hard to judge. People saying he had nothing to apologize for just see things from their own perspective. I don't know what Kelly's exact reaction to the impersonation was, nor if players from Singapore watching the stream or hearing about it later on thought it was so funny. I'd be interested to have their opinion but I guess they don't spend that much time on TL. What's funny in one culture might not be in another. If you plan to go international, it's a thing to be taken into account.
I once criticized Rotterdam's casting (was it here or on irc, don't remember), just mentioning I didn't like his accent because it was hard for me to understand and got fanboys jumping at me in a sec calling me ignorant, american (!), troll, etc - when we're actually almost neighbours...
Being a public figure and used to the forum heat Inc should have expected that reaction from the Kelly-thing. Well what's done is done, it's good that he apologized and as they say...there's no such thing as bad press(?).
Still, if you're a public figure and you wanna appeal to a huge international audience, it's 100% certain Inc will have to add water to his wine, otherwise he's (and nasl) could quickly get sponsor/audience whipped . There's always gonna be a lot of people supporting him whatever he does, but I think part of their project is to attract new people to starcraft/e-sport and if some newcomer from Singapore or France just tune in to a nasl stream for the first time and hear a joke with racist undertones (and no, I'm not saying he's racist, don't even go there), not all of them will stay around until the second one pops out.
The whole Kelly thread reminded me a bit of a light version of the Michael Richards thingie, one (sad/bad) joke gone awfully wrong and seems he's had to hear about it since (and excuses didn't do much about it, but maybe made him feel better about himself...)
I personally can't wait for the whole NASL, I'm glad he's a part of it, I liked the old incontrol, I'll just wait and see what the new one is gonna be worth.
Diet Coke never worked for me, but you never know, I hope he surprises me with a new formula.
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Don't worry, most people didn't give a shit about the GSL stuff and you being a rep. Only the same people that always start crap.
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hi incontrol. i know you probably wont read this, but i hope youre doing what YOU want to do. f**k what everyone else says. youre hilarious and people need to stop being so sensitive. it blows my mind how people dont understand sarcasm, satire, and just jokes in general. sometimes the starcraft community's nerdy-ness really disappoints me. this goes with the whole "bm" thing with idra. people need to get over it. who cares.
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You didn't do anything wrong you shouldn't have to apologize, you acted in a way that people know and already expect you to act in which is both enjoyable and endearing. You take the good with the bad, if throwing around a few inappropriate jokes was grounds for removal Dana White wouldn't have a career in the UFC.
Stay the course bud
Stay the course
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On February 27 2011 22:35 lisafrankgirl wrote:
hi incontrol. i know you probably wont read this, but i hope youre doing what YOU want to do. f**k what everyone else says. youre hilarious and people need to stop being so sensitive. it blows my mind how people dont understand sarcasm, satire, and just jokes in general. sometimes the starcraft community's nerdy-ness really disappoints me. this goes with the whole "bm" thing with idra. people need to get over it. who cares.
The People you are referring to are the consumers that will buy the products sponsoring the events. It is those consumers that are "sensitive" that the sponsors are targeting... it would be bad business for the sponsors not to be concerned.
iNconTrol has apologized and I believe he has learned that with this new position he must be more responsible and sensitive to what the masses require of such a position. I personally commend him for stepping up and accepting what had happened and commend him even more for understanding how the capitalism machine operates.
Good luck to you kind sir.
Enigma
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I read the thread of the original incident, and the reddit thread started by Huko, and I've gotta say; I really hope this whole thing doesn't stop you from doing your usual shenenigans 
GL with the NASL!!!
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can I find a VOD of the restream somewhere? sry if this already has been asked
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Sigh, I feel an apology is having a reverse effect. By apologizing, you underline that there is a problem with you, your attitude and how you talk to people. You admit there are flaws, we all do, but it becomes the focus of you. Those who talked, sputtered crap, those who were fine with you did what mattered: watched your stream and support you. We won't come to your rescue in these topics because we all know it's pointless.
The haters will talk and they'll talk loud ruining everyone's enjoyment and making the waters mucky.
But honestly? You're a great man and your deeds are not under appreciated or unappreciated at all. Remember that.
Did you cross the line a few times? Not to me, but that's my perception, it's good that you apologized for those a bit sensitive, but in the end, your actions will speak louder than words and you know this.
That's it, just wanted to give you a pat on the back, shield my face and continue cheering you on. I hate Protoss but I know we're brotosses mang!
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Like most have said, don't take the haters too seriously. Either they love a good debate too and want to spark controversy wherever they can, either they are idiots and don't really care about the game. Keep joking around and being awesome, but you might want to avoid streaming illegal content ( ).
Just keep being fucking awesome like you have been.
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I need my incontrol streaming and SoTGing! Don't give it upand keep moving forward. When I saw that you had restreamed the GSL I kind of facepalmed and then searched the forums for an apology because I knew you would give one.
Just try to take it easy on other casters and don't restream GSL xD
Other than that, keep doing what you are doing.
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