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On February 26 2011 14:31 Manifesto7 wrote:Is this situation going to be addressed? Even though it was from the Louder era, you are still operating under the same brand. I am not sure where this falls under. Show nested quote +On February 16 2011 11:44 theshin2007 wrote:
I wanted to preface the following by saying that I respect the players involved with this project and this is by no means meant to bash the site or start a flame war, but I felt this issue should be addressed.
So I did a search for any updates about the Gosuguide. As of 2/15/2011 there have been no updates, no roundtables, the only replay packs are dated 8-11-10 and 8-13-10. Several people are asking for refunds in the comments section. I was wondering what the current plans are for completing this guide or providing refunds for people who purchased?
I can not find any response for this and I would like to know what happen aswell.
I am a type of person who will pay for a replay site since i watch replay a lot.
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iNcontroL
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I've responded to every PM I've received about that. mani brought it up in this thread for reasons beyond me.. they aren't connected at all and it's out of place here.
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On February 27 2011 12:08 BrahCJ wrote:
1) YOU are the leader and the face of this movement. You don't see public figures, ie; a sports person, or musician blatantly rip the shit out of others in their field in offensive ways. In order to pull that off, a certain level of friendship between the two at talking point is required.
2) Its about professionalism. You're either a likable 22 year old larrikin, or you're the leader of western ESPORTS. You can't be both. NASLs leader can't be a funny jackass.
1) He's not the pope of fucking SC2, and professional SC2 is not 'a movement'. If he's the leader, what's Russ supposed to be -- the God of Starcraft?
Geoff got a really cool job representing a league in a young and developing sport. It's like the rise of skateboarding in the early 80's and 90's. The 'faces' of skateboarding popularized it by being funny and charismatic, not by being politically correct or 'perfect'.
2) You CAN be both.
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On February 27 2011 12:36 iNcontroL wrote:
I've responded to every PM I've received about that. mani brought it up in this thread for reasons beyond me.. they aren't connected at all and it's out of place here.
Well what is the status of the guide / why is it still for sale with your name all over it? Isn't it kind of bad to leave it out there will tons of misleading information? You owe me no answers but I'd be curious to know what is going on with it.
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On February 27 2011 12:37 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:08 BrahCJ wrote:
1) YOU are the leader and the face of this movement. You don't see public figures, ie; a sports person, or musician blatantly rip the shit out of others in their field in offensive ways. In order to pull that off, a certain level of friendship between the two at talking point is required.
2) Its about professionalism. You're either a likable 22 year old larrikin, or you're the leader of western ESPORTS. You can't be both. NASLs leader can't be a funny jackass.
1) He's not the pope of fucking SC2, and professional SC2 is not 'a movement'. If he's the leader, what's Russ supposed to be -- the God of Starcraft? Geoff got a really cool job representing a league in a young and developing sport. It's like the rise of skateboarding in the early 80's and 90's. The 'faces' of skateboarding popularized it by being funny and charismatic, not by being politically correct or 'perfect'. 2) You CAN be both.
Tiger Woods isn't the "pope" of Golf, however as a professional under the spotlight, he brought the sport into disrepute. That is the power that iNcontrol has been granted here.
Likening SC2 to skating is a bit far fetched too. Back in the day when skating was starting up there wasn't money, there wasn't a worldwide audience, and there wasn't sponsorship. SC2 is already at that stage where A FULL households yearly wage can be won in 1 season of the NASL. Initially, when skating "punks" (I use the term lightly) were getting around, it was for the ride, not the money or fame. SC2 has exceeded the early stages of skating already simply due to the audience and the money.
This shit isn't a game to the sponsors giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars to have THEIR product in the limelight. What would the outcome be to have your line of RAM advertised to Chinese/Singaporean/Malaysian/Taiwanese viewers, by a presenter who has personally attacked the asian accent in the past.
The answer is: FUCKING devastating. While I don't find iNcontrol's comments "racist," others out there might. The NASL will be broadcast world wide. Mocking a minority that is viewing, and very likely buying the products advertised is so unprofessional, and I fear that if iNcontrol doesn't pull his head in, it has the potential to drive sponsors away.
I will restate what I said before. iNcontrol has his heart DEEP in the right place. He meant no malice, but it came across that way. I have no doubt he is the person for the job. I have no doubt he can put this behind him and learn the lesson. I just don't want the lesson to be forgotten too quickly. Serious money, serious market exposure for sponsors is on the line, and what iNcontrol says does represent the companies sponsoring the event. As the face, this is his burden.
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On February 27 2011 13:28 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:37 Defacer wrote:On February 27 2011 12:08 BrahCJ wrote:
1) YOU are the leader and the face of this movement. You don't see public figures, ie; a sports person, or musician blatantly rip the shit out of others in their field in offensive ways. In order to pull that off, a certain level of friendship between the two at talking point is required.
2) Its about professionalism. You're either a likable 22 year old larrikin, or you're the leader of western ESPORTS. You can't be both. NASLs leader can't be a funny jackass.
1) He's not the pope of fucking SC2, and professional SC2 is not 'a movement'. If he's the leader, what's Russ supposed to be -- the God of Starcraft? Geoff got a really cool job representing a league in a young and developing sport. It's like the rise of skateboarding in the early 80's and 90's. The 'faces' of skateboarding popularized it by being funny and charismatic, not by being politically correct or 'perfect'. 2) You CAN be both. Tiger Woods isn't the "pope" of Golf, however as a professional under the spotlight, he brought the sport into disrepute. That is the power that iNcontrol has been granted here. Likening SC2 to skating is a bit far fetched too. Back in the day when skating was starting up there wasn't money, there wasn't a worldwide audience, and there wasn't sponsorship. SC2 is already at that stage where A FULL households yearly wage can be won in 1 season of the NASL. Initially, when skating "punks" (I use the term lightly) were getting around, it was for the ride, not the money or fame. SC2 has exceeded the early stages of skating already simply due to the audience and the money. This shit isn't a game to the sponsors giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars to have THEIR product in the limelight. What would the outcome be to have your line of RAM advertised to Chinese/Singaporean/Malaysian/Taiwanese viewers, by a presenter who has personally attacked the asian accent in the past. The answer is: FUCKING devastating. While I don't find iNcontrol's comments "racist," others out there might. The NASL will be broadcast world wide. Mocking a minority that is viewing, and very likely buying the products advertised is so unprofessional, and I fear that if iNcontrol doesn't pull his head in, it has the potential to drive sponsors away. I will restate what I said before. iNcontrol has his heart DEEP in the right place. He meant no malice, but it came across that way. I have no doubt he is the person for the job. I have no doubt he can put this behind him and learn the lesson. I just don't want the lesson to be forgotten too quickly. Serious money, serious market exposure for sponsors is on the line, and what iNcontrol says does represent the companies sponsoring the event. As the face, this is his burden.
What you fail to understand is that incontrol is in the positions he's in because he's fucking INCONTROL. Would you really even consider him if it wasn't for his personality? No offense to him, but the player incontrol is nothing to the personality incontrol.
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iNcontroL
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On February 27 2011 13:01 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:36 iNcontroL wrote:
I've responded to every PM I've received about that. mani brought it up in this thread for reasons beyond me.. they aren't connected at all and it's out of place here. Well what is the status of the guide / why is it still for sale with your name all over it? Isn't it kind of bad to leave it out there will tons of misleading information? You owe me no answers but I'd be curious to know what is going on with it.
If you have legitimate questions please PM me. Derailing a thread on something important to me with something you feel is another atrocity or something is a derailing attempt I don't care to entertain.
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Mr. Control:
Thank you! I haven't seen any other comments in a while say it, so I thought I would. I appreciate what you're doing for North American Starcraft. Nerd history shall remember you.
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As you have realized, where the line is for what you say or do is much closer when your are a more public figure, and especially so when you are acting in a "professional" capacity. As long as you remain cognizant of this, you should be fine. I don't expect you to be as flamboyant in your NASL casting as you are in SotG, rather retaining your style during your GCPL casts. I see them as basically like sports radio (SotG/forums) where you can be much more edgy/opinionated and a regular broadcast (NASL/GCPL) where there is much more scrutiny.
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On February 27 2011 13:38 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 13:01 floor exercise wrote:On February 27 2011 12:36 iNcontroL wrote:
I've responded to every PM I've received about that. mani brought it up in this thread for reasons beyond me.. they aren't connected at all and it's out of place here. Well what is the status of the guide / why is it still for sale with your name all over it? Isn't it kind of bad to leave it out there will tons of misleading information? You owe me no answers but I'd be curious to know what is going on with it. If you have legitimate questions please PM me. Derailing a thread on something important to me with something you feel is another atrocity or something is a derailing attempt I don't care to entertain.
Not an atrocity to me but maybe the people who spent $100 for a guide under the promise that it would have constant updates only to receive zero.
Is that not important enough to you for this thread? All those hapless noobs with empty piggy banks and empty promises from the GosuThis and the GosuThat might fear being burned a second time when it's the same guy selling them a 3 season pass to a new league.
I don't see it as much of a derailment, I thought this blog was to mark your newfound professionalism by addressing past mistakes. Or am I mistaken and was GosuGuide in fact a rousing success, so much so that you're now ashamed to talk about it
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On February 27 2011 13:38 RaFeStaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 13:28 BrahCJ wrote:On February 27 2011 12:37 Defacer wrote:On February 27 2011 12:08 BrahCJ wrote:
1) YOU are the leader and the face of this movement. You don't see public figures, ie; a sports person, or musician blatantly rip the shit out of others in their field in offensive ways. In order to pull that off, a certain level of friendship between the two at talking point is required.
2) Its about professionalism. You're either a likable 22 year old larrikin, or you're the leader of western ESPORTS. You can't be both. NASLs leader can't be a funny jackass.
1) He's not the pope of fucking SC2, and professional SC2 is not 'a movement'. If he's the leader, what's Russ supposed to be -- the God of Starcraft? Geoff got a really cool job representing a league in a young and developing sport. It's like the rise of skateboarding in the early 80's and 90's. The 'faces' of skateboarding popularized it by being funny and charismatic, not by being politically correct or 'perfect'. 2) You CAN be both. Tiger Woods isn't the "pope" of Golf, however as a professional under the spotlight, he brought the sport into disrepute. That is the power that iNcontrol has been granted here. Likening SC2 to skating is a bit far fetched too. Back in the day when skating was starting up there wasn't money, there wasn't a worldwide audience, and there wasn't sponsorship. SC2 is already at that stage where A FULL households yearly wage can be won in 1 season of the NASL. Initially, when skating "punks" (I use the term lightly) were getting around, it was for the ride, not the money or fame. SC2 has exceeded the early stages of skating already simply due to the audience and the money. This shit isn't a game to the sponsors giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars to have THEIR product in the limelight. What would the outcome be to have your line of RAM advertised to Chinese/Singaporean/Malaysian/Taiwanese viewers, by a presenter who has personally attacked the asian accent in the past. The answer is: FUCKING devastating. While I don't find iNcontrol's comments "racist," others out there might. The NASL will be broadcast world wide. Mocking a minority that is viewing, and very likely buying the products advertised is so unprofessional, and I fear that if iNcontrol doesn't pull his head in, it has the potential to drive sponsors away. I will restate what I said before. iNcontrol has his heart DEEP in the right place. He meant no malice, but it came across that way. I have no doubt he is the person for the job. I have no doubt he can put this behind him and learn the lesson. I just don't want the lesson to be forgotten too quickly. Serious money, serious market exposure for sponsors is on the line, and what iNcontrol says does represent the companies sponsoring the event. As the face, this is his burden. What you fail to understand is that incontrol is in the positions he's in because he's fucking INCONTROL. Would you really even consider him if it wasn't for his personality? No offense to him, but the player incontrol is nothing to the personality incontrol.
Just because he is iNcontrol, he is allowed to offend people that he is trying to sell things to?
What YOU fail to realize is without sponsors trying to sell products, there IS no NASL. There is no esports, there is no late nights cheering your favorite players on from the other side of the world. Sponsors are more important than having a fun-loving guy telling us play-by-plays.
Welcome to capitalism, where it is all about the money. As I said previous, mocking or teasing your target audience in an offensive manner isn't going to get you the sell. Therefor, isn't going to get you the sponsors.
"BUT HE'S INCONTROLL!!!!!" isn't a valid argument. A name doesn't give you a free pass to upset minorities.
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iNcontroL
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As I said dude. Please PM me with questions. Your accusations and general tone is right up there with just about every post you make about me so asking you to change now was a bit silly on my part.
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On February 27 2011 14:04 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 13:38 RaFeStaR wrote:On February 27 2011 13:28 BrahCJ wrote:On February 27 2011 12:37 Defacer wrote:On February 27 2011 12:08 BrahCJ wrote:
1) YOU are the leader and the face of this movement. You don't see public figures, ie; a sports person, or musician blatantly rip the shit out of others in their field in offensive ways. In order to pull that off, a certain level of friendship between the two at talking point is required.
2) Its about professionalism. You're either a likable 22 year old larrikin, or you're the leader of western ESPORTS. You can't be both. NASLs leader can't be a funny jackass.
1) He's not the pope of fucking SC2, and professional SC2 is not 'a movement'. If he's the leader, what's Russ supposed to be -- the God of Starcraft? Geoff got a really cool job representing a league in a young and developing sport. It's like the rise of skateboarding in the early 80's and 90's. The 'faces' of skateboarding popularized it by being funny and charismatic, not by being politically correct or 'perfect'. 2) You CAN be both. Tiger Woods isn't the "pope" of Golf, however as a professional under the spotlight, he brought the sport into disrepute. That is the power that iNcontrol has been granted here. Likening SC2 to skating is a bit far fetched too. Back in the day when skating was starting up there wasn't money, there wasn't a worldwide audience, and there wasn't sponsorship. SC2 is already at that stage where A FULL households yearly wage can be won in 1 season of the NASL. Initially, when skating "punks" (I use the term lightly) were getting around, it was for the ride, not the money or fame. SC2 has exceeded the early stages of skating already simply due to the audience and the money. This shit isn't a game to the sponsors giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars to have THEIR product in the limelight. What would the outcome be to have your line of RAM advertised to Chinese/Singaporean/Malaysian/Taiwanese viewers, by a presenter who has personally attacked the asian accent in the past. The answer is: FUCKING devastating. While I don't find iNcontrol's comments "racist," others out there might. The NASL will be broadcast world wide. Mocking a minority that is viewing, and very likely buying the products advertised is so unprofessional, and I fear that if iNcontrol doesn't pull his head in, it has the potential to drive sponsors away. I will restate what I said before. iNcontrol has his heart DEEP in the right place. He meant no malice, but it came across that way. I have no doubt he is the person for the job. I have no doubt he can put this behind him and learn the lesson. I just don't want the lesson to be forgotten too quickly. Serious money, serious market exposure for sponsors is on the line, and what iNcontrol says does represent the companies sponsoring the event. As the face, this is his burden. What you fail to understand is that incontrol is in the positions he's in because he's fucking INCONTROL. Would you really even consider him if it wasn't for his personality? No offense to him, but the player incontrol is nothing to the personality incontrol. Just because he is iNcontrol, he is allowed to offend people that he is trying to sell things to? What YOU fail to realize is without sponsors trying to sell products, there IS no NASL. There is no esports, there is no late nights cheering your favorite players on from the other side of the world. Sponsors are more important than having a fun-loving guy telling us play-by-plays. Welcome to capitalism, where it is all about the money. As I said previous, mocking or teasing your target audience in an offensive manner isn't going to get you the sell. Therefor, isn't going to get you the sponsors. "BUT HE'S INCONTROLL!!!!!" isn't a valid argument. A name doesn't give you a free pass to upset minorities.
It isn't an argument. I'm not defending his actions as the "face of NASL". My point is that he's only in that position because of who he is (or was, because of people like you). I'm not trying to argue "OMG HES FUCKING INCONTROL HE CAN SAY W/E HE WANTS LOLOL", I'm trying to point out that his personality is part of the reason he was chosen to be in that position in the first place.
Clearly you want to argue against him so you can get a little attention and that's understandable. Being the rebel is way easier than being a level headed person who actually uses their brain.
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On February 27 2011 14:16 RaFeStaR wrote:
Clearly you want to argue against him so you can get a little attention and that's understandable. Being the rebel is way easier than being a level headed person who actually uses their brain.
So... Being the guy taking the piss out of minorities is being the level headed person, and me stating that it doesn't look good to sponsors is being the rebel?
What would I do with attention? I'm just like all of you - a fucking nobody. I don't intend on trying to change that. However, just like iNcontrol's title doesn't give him a free pass, my lack of title doesn't make my point any less valid.
If you read my past posts, I have wished iNcontrol the best on numerous occasions. The guy means well, but his role in the SC2 scene just sky rocketted in importance.
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On February 27 2011 14:33 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 14:16 RaFeStaR wrote:
Clearly you want to argue against him so you can get a little attention and that's understandable. Being the rebel is way easier than being a level headed person who actually uses their brain. So... Being the guy taking the piss out of minorities is being the level headed person, and me stating that it doesn't look good to sponsors is being the rebel? What would I do with attention? I'm just like all of you - a fucking nobody. I don't intend on trying to change that. However, just like iNcontrol's title doesn't give him a free pass, my lack of title doesn't make my point any less valid. If you read my past posts, I have wished iNcontrol the best on numerous occasions. The guy means well, but his role in the SC2 scene just sky rocketted in importance.
I can't imagine him begging for that responsibility. I'm not sure, because I'm not at all involved. I don't understand your whole "taking the piss out of minorities" statement. Making fun of a horrible caster warrants that? You make absolutely no sense.
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On February 27 2011 14:36 RaFeStaR wrote:
I can't imagine him begging for that responsibility. I'm not sure, because I'm not at all involved. I don't understand your whole "taking the piss out of minorities" statement. Making fun of a horrible caster warrants that? You make absolutely no sense.
Mocking an Asian due to their accent is an age-old joke. I think its a joke, however others would call it overt racism. Some of the people who think its overt racism may be paying for season tickets, or buying X brand's RAM.
The responsibility comes with the territory. Lindsey Lohan didn't ask to be photographed snorting coke.
When you nominate yourself to be in the limelight, you need to act professional at all times...
It sucks ass at times, but thats all part of the game.
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On February 27 2011 14:44 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 14:36 RaFeStaR wrote:
I can't imagine him begging for that responsibility. I'm not sure, because I'm not at all involved. I don't understand your whole "taking the piss out of minorities" statement. Making fun of a horrible caster warrants that? You make absolutely no sense.
Mocking an Asian due to their accent is an age-old joke. I think its a joke, however others would call it overt racism. Some of the people who think its overt racism may be paying for season tickets, or buying X brand's RAM. The responsibility comes with the territory. Lindsey Lohan didn't ask to be photographed snorting coke. When you nominate yourself to be in the limelight, you need to act professional at all times... It sucks ass at times, but thats all part of the game.
Shut up already. You've stated your opinion clearly enough and honestly I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets your point and wishes you to let it go at that. If you have something constructive to say that's another matter but please...we get your point already!
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On February 27 2011 14:44 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 14:36 RaFeStaR wrote:
I can't imagine him begging for that responsibility. I'm not sure, because I'm not at all involved. I don't understand your whole "taking the piss out of minorities" statement. Making fun of a horrible caster warrants that? You make absolutely no sense.
Mocking an Asian due to their accent is an age-old joke. I think its a joke, however others would call it overt racism. Some of the people who think its overt racism may be paying for season tickets, or buying X brand's RAM. The responsibility comes with the territory. Lindsey Lohan didn't ask to be photographed snorting coke. When you nominate yourself to be in the limelight, you need to act professional at all times... It sucks ass at times, but thats all part of the game.
I see more of the mocking due to her lack of knowledge rather than her accent (it adds to the funny factor). Even if it wasn't, it's pure comedy gold. Look at where the joke was made, a show where everyone is laid back and open, providing entertainment and an insider for unappreciative people like you. I would consider nony the utmost professional, but even he has his outbursts on SOTG.
Incontrol isn't racist, he's fucking hilarious. Anyone who can't see past that is retarded.
EDIT: To add on one of my last points, do you really think incontrol would act the way he does on SOTG, on a professional stream for a tournament worth that much money? I don't think you can separate a show that is done for the community and a huge tournament worth lots of money and exposure for western esports.
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BluePabs don't tell him to shut up, and RaFeStaR don't call people brainless [Edit: or retarded]. You're actually making the situation worse by being offensive. Keep it civil. It's Inc's apology/discussion blog. Not a brawl.
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tbh listening to you rip on everyone was the only reason i still watched SotG, lol...
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