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iNcontroL
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On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for making criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same.
Again, Kelly's situation is far and away not typical. Lets stop pretending it is/was. If you want to make the argument that kelly is in fact exactly the same as anyone else I've ever teased I will have to ask that you reevaluate your world view.
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On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same.
Teasing is not the same as "verbal assault", and you weren't banned for criticizing, you were banned for being a douche and repeatedly breaking rules.
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On February 27 2011 09:55 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. You might need another edit.
Did I misread something? The way I read it was, it is alright to make fun of you because you can take it, but less secure people it is not alright.
On February 27 2011 09:57 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Teasing is not the same as "verbal assault", and you weren't banned for criticizing, you were banned for being a douche and repeatedly breaking rules.
That is what happened wrong with this apology. No one knows exactly what happened and iNcontrol didn't say everything. So it just turned into a pity party instead giving more meaning to the apology. iNcontrol banned me for personal reasons, not breaking rules. He even apologized for it, please get a clue.
I feel like a douche speaking about it because I was involved but I am sick of all these people that don't know what happened (cause no one told them) and in return are talking down to the people who actually care.
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On February 27 2011 09:58 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:55 alexpnd wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. You might need another edit. Did I misread something? The way I read it was, it is alright to make fun of you because you can take it, but less secure people it is not alright.
I didn't understand what you wrote, however it's not directed at me so forget about it. Sorry.
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Your exposure as a "celebrity" is growing and there are caveats that go with the territory.
No matter what you do, no matter what your personality, there will be people that hate you. It's sad and unjustified sometimes but whether it's personal issues or personality clashes there's nothing you can do about it.
In people's minds you now have three prominent roles in Starcraft 2 eSports: INcontroL the player. INcontroL the aficionado, and INcontroL the face of NASL. Soon will be INcontroL the commentator. I guess the trick is to establish benchmarks of professionalism for each role. An analogy might be that as a player in a major tournament you would be well mannered, GG, and act as a professional player.. but in practise games with friends you'd joke around and tease them for risky plays or whatever.
If you're on SOTG or whatever then let your hair down, joke around and tease. This is the aficionado. This is the voice of the fan in the know and at times will be contentious. I wouldn't make fun of accents or whatever as SC2 is global with wide exposure everywhere. On your stream it's pretty much the same. In a tournament you already know how to act. When speaking on behalf of NASL act as professional as possible. Obviously don't do anything illegal.
It's difficult because the more you tone down the more people will find your personality acceptable but it also becomes less unique and and less interesting as it's toned down. It's just something to work on and learn as you grow into and get comfortable with new roles. If you try to change like flipping a switch you'll spend every moment second guessing yourself.
That's my uninformed and meandering take on it.
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On February 27 2011 09:58 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:55 alexpnd wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. You might need another edit. Did I misread something? The way I read it was, it is alright to make fun of you because you can take it, but less secure people it is not alright. Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:57 elmizzt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Teasing is not the same as "verbal assault", and you weren't banned for criticizing, you were banned for being a douche and repeatedly breaking rules. That is what happened wrong with this apology. No one knows exactly what happened and iNcontrol didn't say everything. So it just turned into a pity party instead giving more meaning to the apology. iNcontrol banned me for personal reasons, not breaking rules. He even apologized for it, please get a clue.
Oh really? What's your explanation for Manifesto banning you?
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I really don't agree with the idea that Incontrol couldn't be pretty much universally accepted the way, say, Day9 is. I think that Incontrol is perfectly capable of toning it down without becoming bland or boring, and either way he'll still make a great caster.
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On February 27 2011 10:05 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:58 ImHuko wrote:On February 27 2011 09:55 alexpnd wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. You might need another edit. Did I misread something? The way I read it was, it is alright to make fun of you because you can take it, but less secure people it is not alright. On February 27 2011 09:57 elmizzt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Teasing is not the same as "verbal assault", and you weren't banned for criticizing, you were banned for being a douche and repeatedly breaking rules. That is what happened wrong with this apology. No one knows exactly what happened and iNcontrol didn't say everything. So it just turned into a pity party instead giving more meaning to the apology. iNcontrol banned me for personal reasons, not breaking rules. He even apologized for it, please get a clue. Oh really? What's your explanation for Manifesto banning you?
iNcontrol banned me permanetly after watching my restream and saw me talking shit/criticizing him. Mani lowered the ban, because why should he not trust iNcontrol with his ban, iNcontrol gave a good reason with "re-streaming". Later it was found out that iNcontrol was looking for a restream himself and just banned me because saw me talking about him in my stream. Later on the ban was removed when all the evidence came to light.
I believe the apology and can tell from his responses he really means it. It is just shame this apology only told about a little portion, cause now he has people trying to fight by his side defending him with something he has already apologized for outside the blog. In return the people who actually appreciate the apology(in and outside the blog) and respect him for it are getting put down because "haters gon hater"
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On February 27 2011 10:08 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 10:05 elmizzt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:58 ImHuko wrote:On February 27 2011 09:55 alexpnd wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. You might need another edit. Did I misread something? The way I read it was, it is alright to make fun of you because you can take it, but less secure people it is not alright. On February 27 2011 09:57 elmizzt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Teasing is not the same as "verbal assault", and you weren't banned for criticizing, you were banned for being a douche and repeatedly breaking rules. That is what happened wrong with this apology. No one knows exactly what happened and iNcontrol didn't say everything. So it just turned into a pity party instead giving more meaning to the apology. iNcontrol banned me for personal reasons, not breaking rules. He even apologized for it, please get a clue. Oh really? What's your explanation for Manifesto banning you? He removed the permanent ban of iNcontrol and gave a week ban, because iNcontrol brought attention to it. I deserved a little ban for being rude with my comment (which incontrol didn't ban for), but it was removed it assuming because it only happened from iNcontrol letting personal feelings get the best of him
That agrees exactly with what I said. Thanks.
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On February 27 2011 10:09 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 10:08 ImHuko wrote:On February 27 2011 10:05 elmizzt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:58 ImHuko wrote:On February 27 2011 09:55 alexpnd wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. You might need another edit. Did I misread something? The way I read it was, it is alright to make fun of you because you can take it, but less secure people it is not alright. On February 27 2011 09:57 elmizzt wrote:On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Teasing is not the same as "verbal assault", and you weren't banned for criticizing, you were banned for being a douche and repeatedly breaking rules. That is what happened wrong with this apology. No one knows exactly what happened and iNcontrol didn't say everything. So it just turned into a pity party instead giving more meaning to the apology. iNcontrol banned me for personal reasons, not breaking rules. He even apologized for it, please get a clue. Oh really? What's your explanation for Manifesto banning you? He removed the permanent ban of iNcontrol and gave a week ban, because iNcontrol brought attention to it. I deserved a little ban for being rude with my comment (which incontrol didn't ban for), but it was removed it assuming because it only happened from iNcontrol letting personal feelings get the best of him That agrees exactly with what I said. Thanks.
I edited because you needed an in depth explanation.
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He Incontrol,
the way I see it is, that you are going to step over boundaries again. Its just the nature of your humor (and mine btw). I think the most important thing is to try to think about a statement before saying it, even this is really hard, especially in enviroments like SotG, because you are basiclly talking to your friends, but the whole world is listening. And if you mess up again, just apologize again. Its the way I handle this stuff in my life and it works out for me (in job, university and personal life), but of course I'm not nearly as publicly exposed as you are.
keep up the good work, I'm a big fan
Meilo
edit: too stupid to write my own name :D
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^ restreaming a stream while jamming on /commercial, and then banning people for restreaming while asking people for $25 bucks for your own tournament stream is not a humor problem
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^ yes the restreaming was wrong, but I'm sure that he has learned his lesson on this so I see no point in addressing it.
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On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same.
Jesus man, you're beating a dead horse. Stop trying to win people to your side against iNcontroL whilst professing to be a fan. You're not making yourself look very good. If you have a beef with him still, discuss it with him personally. Stop trying to sway people to your side of events. Whilst Inc is being contrite and apologising you're still banging away at his sins, while not apologising yourself for anything or accepting any blame for what happened. At this point you're just damaging your own version of events.
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incontrol, cutie, one of the only reasons I even listen to sotg, or watch your stream is your ability to make internet nerds spew cola from their mouths with your witty remarks and great sense of humor. Changing your personality due to a few nerds who can't handle minuscule bullshit is changing everything about who you are and what you do.
While I don't agree with how you led everyone on with the show match and misleading comments, I think apologizing for insulting certain people is stupid and contradicting who you are to the core. While you are the face of what could potentially be the biggest thing to happen to esports in the west, changing your attitude changes why you are fucking wanted by these people in the first place.
TL;DR
Suck it up sally 
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im actually disappointed that you made an apology... oh noes the internet has gotten to you...
just be yourself dude...
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On February 27 2011 11:22 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same. Jesus man, you're beating a dead horse. Stop trying to win people to your side against iNcontroL whilst professing to be a fan. You're not making yourself look very good. If you have a beef with him still, discuss it with him personally. Stop trying to sway people to your side of events. Whilst Inc is being contrite and apologising you're still banging away at his sins, while not apologising yourself for anything or accepting any blame for what happened. At this point you're just damaging your own version of events.
I tried to take this guy seriously after reading a few of his posts here. But looking at his post history about the NASL and control I just can't do it anymore. Was thinking about responding earlier but figured it wasn't even worth the effort. I think you nailed it on the head.
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On February 27 2011 09:26 iNcontroL wrote:
Are you seriously arguing on behalf of never teasing anyone?
If you want to be the face of an enterprise, then yes, I would jump on the no-more-teasing train.
The difference between you, and all the other people here. All the other people here are nobodies in the scene. No one gives a fuck what they say, and immediately anything that anyone can say can be put down to "Troll." and move on.
YOU are the leader and the face of this movement. You don't see public figures, ie; a sports person, or musician blatantly rip the shit out of others in their field in offensive ways. In order to pull that off, a certain level of friendship between the two at talking point is required.
Its about professionalism. You're either a likable 22 year old larrikin, or you're the leader of western ESPORTS. You can't be both. NASLs leader can't be a funny jackass.
To a far lesser degree, the same can be applied to my job. As a Sales Representative, I have to convince prospective accounts to swap over to my line of product. The second you badmouth the opposition, you're seen as rude and unprofessional. You have to make it on your own merits. Make sure your squeaky clean.
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On February 26 2011 05:19 Logo wrote:Boo serious iNcontrol! Long live inappropriate sarcastic and awesome iNcontrol! What's the point of growing ESPORTS if it loses it's heart and soul along the way  .
This ^
I hate using one word sentences, but. Meh.
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On February 27 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote:
So now because people can't take being verbal assaulted they are now less secure. After all, you did ban someone for criticizing you. So other than being asian, it is in fact the same.
So petty. Just stop.
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