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Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 19:54:33
February 26 2011 19:53 GMT
#421
I think the NASL would be awesome with the following casters:

InControl
TotalBiscuit
Khaldor
Artosis
Day9

I think InControl + TotalBiscuit would be an awesome combination. The Overly British Bugger with the Average American Asshole.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
rocky13
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada70 Posts
February 26 2011 19:58 GMT
#422
Don't change iNcontroL ... the kellymilkies impersonation was one of the funniest starcraft related things I ever heard! maybe next to your rant about horses.

Horses+iNcontrol=hilarious
WLV
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada76 Posts
February 26 2011 20:29 GMT
#423
You should use spell check. I had a hard time reading w/ all the grammatical errors.
"I am Terran, hear me RAWR!"
BADSMCGEE
Profile Joined March 2010
United States94 Posts
February 26 2011 20:36 GMT
#424
I, for one, found your conduct sickening. But, i guess if you say you're really really sorry, i can forgive you for this one.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 26 2011 20:39 GMT
#425
On February 27 2011 04:03 ImHuko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 03:59 BluePabs wrote:
On February 27 2011 03:10 ImHuko wrote:
On February 27 2011 03:03 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The problem I and a lot others probably have with you InControl, is you exaggerating with your "making fun" or "kidding around", whatever you want to call it.

When you're constantly making fun of someone in a show as big as SOTG it a) has been said even if you're "just kidding" and b) quite a lot listeners take it seriously.
So when you e.g. call out TB for super childish reactions and what not for apparently unknown circumstances, then guess what, a percentage of your audience does soak it up, changes its view upon TB, thanks to you. I mean look at all the guys hammering on TB because he wants to defend himself, which he kinda has to as you're hurting his image (kinda recursive loop right there).
If you intended that or not, in the end you did just that.

So I don't know, I hope you sometimes take a step back and being less of a douche. Making fun on the expense of someone else always causes trouble.

Apart from that I can only look forward NASL. We actually don't need all the talk. You'll probably proof yourself just fine ;P

I myself couldn't listen to what iNcontrol was saying but kelly herself (I think) said it caused her to get rape threats/emails (apparently he was talking about Tasteless/Kelly doing stuff)


You're a pretty bold person aren't you? I mean for admitting that you didn't actually hear what you're talking about you still seem confident to say that what incontrol said "caused her to get rape threats/emails".

Some people just amaze me.

10-20 people told me about it while it was happening, unless it was a coordinated troll, I am pretty confident it happened.. Kelly posted about it but removed it because she misunderstood the post she responded to, that is why I said "I think". I agree with you, I would have to be some sort of crazyperson to make something like that up


Nah dude. She was getting rape/death threats long before I did any impersonation of her. It's also pretty dumb to try and make me take credit for people making those threats.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 20:46:01
February 26 2011 20:44 GMT
#426
I send iNcontroL rape and death threats all the time if it makes you feel better.
phoenixe17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States13 Posts
February 26 2011 21:07 GMT
#427
Honestly I don't think it was what happened but how iNcontrol reacted to it.

It was a shitty string of events and the criticism was met with sarcasm and a lot of people felt he was just dismissing what people were saying. I don't think people are flipping out he streamed GSL but that he asked for a stream than banned said streamer when he didn't like what they were saying in the chat of the stream(Reddit flips out over censorship, which is where I assume most of whatever TL hate goes on at Reddit stems from).

I don't want to see you change too much from how you are iNcontrol, just keep in mind when dealing with "random gaming forum poster" on the forums that they are going to be customers and you can't use sarcasm and dismissive responses when they raise criticism against you. Another thing people despise is do as I say not as I do type of people so just echo what you expect from the community and we will do the same for you.

As a watcher of all your content out there keep up the good work and don't move too far away from the iNcontrol everyone knows and loves <3.

nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
February 26 2011 21:09 GMT
#428
This is probably the stupidest thread ever. I don't watch or play SC2, but I like Incontrol and want his league to succeed. People whining about Incontrol's personality and acting like he's the prodigal son finally returning to your open arms are honestly retarded. He's funny and actually quite nice and his personality is just fine for an esports persona. I have no idea where everyone got the idea that "legitimate" (whatever that means) organizations always act like their from Victorian England.
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
February 26 2011 21:10 GMT
#429
constructive criticism:
more respect for casters who aren't doing Inception level deep analysis of games they are casting, you can't expect every caster to be a pro gamer + pro commentator as yourself Incontrol, we know you can be professional and you definitely should be towards other casters, they are not your enemies. (I do agree they should do whatever they can to improve themselves, if they won't they probably won't last anyway)

non constructive criticism:
definitely more hair whipping back and forth
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Monsieur
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada71 Posts
February 26 2011 21:14 GMT
#430
CASE SOLVED. Baller post! NASL coming up! Great games incoming! Satan in a wheelchair! what could I possibly want more? EG represent biatchez!
Your tears taste so good! :)
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
February 26 2011 21:17 GMT
#431
I would have preferred you not apologize. She put herself out there in the public eye and when someone does that, they should expect to be made fun of and parodied ect. Bottom line, you need thick skin to be in the public eye. I have no pity for those who don't.
I think putting someone as the English caster for a major event, when their spoken English is simply (IMO) unacceptable, was a mistake. Her pronunciation is poor, she is difficult to understand (especially when she talks fast), and her voice is downright annoying. I tried to watch it and had to turn it off after 5 minutes because it was so terrible. You were right to make fun of it, and shouldn't apologize. Speak your mind, ignore the haters, and let the pieces fall where they may.
:)
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 26 2011 21:23 GMT
#432
There's been a lot of replies to this and I'd like to add mine, even though I'm just yet another voice in the crowd.

I like that he did this, that his apology was public. A lot of people in this thread said he shouldn't have done it and that the concessions to his critics will impact his performance due to his personality/character not being as present any longer. I couldn't agree less. Being a public persona and a spokesperson for a whole enterprise, appeasing critics and accepting personal responsibilty is a right and mature thing to do.

People do emotional and short-sighted things and make mistakes. Incontrol did it (and apologized), but random fans and scene followers do it as well. My guess is a lot of people that chimed in to the general outcry following this whole drama don't really have any issues with Incontrol. But it's fun to not like someone, it's entertaining to be one of two polarized sides and thus a lot of people will eagerly dislike Goeff even though they don't really know him and couldn't care less about what he does or doesn't do. That's why people gossip and read tabloids, and we Starcraft people aren't better than the rest.

I'll freely admit that I was amongst those. I don't know Incontrol but I quickly sided with the critics. Might have to do that I don't like his "in your face" attitude; he's a very outspoken type and I prefer subtle people. But hey, to each his own. But you know what? This apology is all I need to respect this guy. He took the responsibilty. Bravo. He took the blame without faltering and thus showed traits that might come in very handy when managing the NASL: honesty and integrity.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
February 26 2011 21:23 GMT
#433
inControl I love you either way and I don't really care if you were mean w/e.
However as a figurehead I know you'll have to be politically correct somewhat so it's nice to see you shoulder that responsibility.


Anyway I don't really know whats this about but I'm behind you buddy.
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 26 2011 21:24 GMT
#434
On February 27 2011 04:53 Techno wrote:
I think the NASL would be awesome with the following casters:

InControl
TotalBiscuit
Khaldor
Artosis
Day9

I think InControl + TotalBiscuit would be an awesome combination. The Overly British Bugger with the Average American Asshole.

Not singling any casters out, but that list has some serious disparity between game knowledge and ability. Simply put, some of those casters know what they're talking about and some have no clue.
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 21:29:32
February 26 2011 21:24 GMT
#435
On February 27 2011 05:39 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 04:03 ImHuko wrote:
On February 27 2011 03:59 BluePabs wrote:
On February 27 2011 03:10 ImHuko wrote:
On February 27 2011 03:03 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The problem I and a lot others probably have with you InControl, is you exaggerating with your "making fun" or "kidding around", whatever you want to call it.

When you're constantly making fun of someone in a show as big as SOTG it a) has been said even if you're "just kidding" and b) quite a lot listeners take it seriously.
So when you e.g. call out TB for super childish reactions and what not for apparently unknown circumstances, then guess what, a percentage of your audience does soak it up, changes its view upon TB, thanks to you. I mean look at all the guys hammering on TB because he wants to defend himself, which he kinda has to as you're hurting his image (kinda recursive loop right there).
If you intended that or not, in the end you did just that.

So I don't know, I hope you sometimes take a step back and being less of a douche. Making fun on the expense of someone else always causes trouble.

Apart from that I can only look forward NASL. We actually don't need all the talk. You'll probably proof yourself just fine ;P

I myself couldn't listen to what iNcontrol was saying but kelly herself (I think) said it caused her to get rape threats/emails (apparently he was talking about Tasteless/Kelly doing stuff)


You're a pretty bold person aren't you? I mean for admitting that you didn't actually hear what you're talking about you still seem confident to say that what incontrol said "caused her to get rape threats/emails".

Some people just amaze me.

10-20 people told me about it while it was happening, unless it was a coordinated troll, I am pretty confident it happened.. Kelly posted about it but removed it because she misunderstood the post she responded to, that is why I said "I think". I agree with you, I would have to be some sort of crazyperson to make something like that up


Nah dude. She was getting rape/death threats long before I did any impersonation of her. It's also pretty dumb to try and make me take credit for people making those threats.

Oops sorry about that then. People call me terrible, but in every way possible that is just wrong.
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
February 26 2011 21:28 GMT
#436
i fear lovable incontrol will have to be hidden from now on due to being such a public figure
i hope he does not get bored being a upstanding role model for everyone

gl
Brood War Remake - SC2BW - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316
UberThing
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain410 Posts
February 26 2011 21:37 GMT
#437
Thing is if InControl says sorry (or at least acknowledge it was wrong or whatever) to those he personally offended (none of the random haters) and stayed low key, this would all blow over quickly.

Be direct and concise if you are apologising. END OF MATTER.
Wag1
Robellicose
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England245 Posts
February 26 2011 22:23 GMT
#438
Hi iNcontrol.

I respect you for doing this. it is always hard to own up when you've done something wrong, and ten times so over the internet. I personally believe that people would not be giving you this much stick if the mistakes you're owning up to happened around the NASL announcement. In a way, it's good that the community is expecting so much from you - If you match their expectations, which from your OP I imagine you will, it will improve your image and the image of professional starcraft.

Best of luck with the NASL, keep cracking the jokes that originally made me find you hilarious and entertaining as a caster - I don't want those to disappear now that you have a more public casting job.

P.S. the showmatch was not as bad as everyone seems to love saying. For one, I thought Gretorp and yourself were a very good commentating partnership.
Portentious and Pretentious
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
February 26 2011 22:58 GMT
#439
On February 27 2011 06:24 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 04:53 Techno wrote:
I think the NASL would be awesome with the following casters:

InControl
TotalBiscuit
Khaldor
Artosis
Day9

I think InControl + TotalBiscuit would be an awesome combination. The Overly British Bugger with the Average American Asshole.

Not singling any casters out, but that list has some serious disparity between game knowledge and ability. Simply put, some of those casters know what they're talking about and some have no clue.


You'd be better off just coming out and saying it rather than being passive-aggressive.

On the flip-side, there is also a serious disparity in broadcast training. Some of us have it, some don't. Game knowledge is not the only skill you require to commentate at a professional level and it is not the only thing you can bring to the table in a co-commentary situation.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
rkffhk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
474 Posts
February 26 2011 23:03 GMT
#440
On February 27 2011 07:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 06:24 hmunkey wrote:
On February 27 2011 04:53 Techno wrote:
I think the NASL would be awesome with the following casters:

InControl
TotalBiscuit
Khaldor
Artosis
Day9

I think InControl + TotalBiscuit would be an awesome combination. The Overly British Bugger with the Average American Asshole.

Not singling any casters out, but that list has some serious disparity between game knowledge and ability. Simply put, some of those casters know what they're talking about and some have no clue.


You'd be better off just coming out and saying it rather than being passive-aggressive.

On the flip-side, there is also a serious disparity in broadcast training. Some of us have it, some don't. Game knowledge is not the only skill you require to commentate at a professional level and it is not the only thing you can bring to the table in a co-commentary situation.

Agreed. Example: Jason Lee
"Did not realize gold was such an important threshold for people, I guess I honestly take it for granted that if people practice / invest enough time into this game then they would make diamond in no time." ~Caihead
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