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On February 26 2011 23:51 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 22:52 bistri wrote:
@kelly "incident" i love her, she's great and i fully support her, but she speaks funny and thats the fact. Making fun of something is the most normal thing in the world and stereotypes are base of 90% of jokes.
If u "change" yourself on TL/SOTG beacuse of bunch of internet trolls, than you become a little bitch. And i for sure wont watch your stream or listen to SOTG cuz thats who you are and why people love you.
Proffesionalisam aside, if you are not speaking OFFICIALY IN NASL NAME, you have full rights to speak your mind. Mocking someone with nothing but malice isn't ok. There was no hint of any kind of gleam in the corner of his eyes, just pure malice.
Sounds like you're doing too much creeping in the bushes outside of his house trying to peak in...
I thought it was pretty standardized by now that he knows Kelly on a personal level and there was no malicious intent. But if you choose to ignore all of this I guess it is your prerogative.
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I like it when you're a douche. Don't let the haters get you down, imho you are hilarious.
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To be honest I haven't heard you 'bitching' on Kelly, and if I had i would've felt it was wrong. She didn't even finish casting her first game and she got bashed to the ground by the community, a sad sight. I mean she's not the best, maybe not the best for the job, that's discusable but she's trying hard and all-in-all she's not doing a horrible job. That aside though.
I appreciate you showing you want to change yourself since you're now a figure of the e-sport community and when the NASL kicks off possible one of the major figures 'promoting' e-sports/SC2 in the NA/non-korean scene. I don't know you well enough to say anythign meaning full but what I know is that everyone who wants to change should deserve a chance! Go for it iNcontrol, help e-sports get all hype!
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On February 26 2011 09:40 kethers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 09:23 leakingpear wrote:
Honestly I can understand changing to a more watered down 'professional' attitude if it was insisted by the TV station/event producer, even if I don't approve of it, what I can't understand is advocating people do it ahead of time in order to appease some imaginary sponsor/TV station that decides what to broadcast based on this arbitrary and easily fixable metric of professionalism over actual properties that matter like popularity, charismatic figures and how easy it is to get into. Ok, so if a basketball player who does crack and gets into physical fights is trying to get into the NBA, you would tell him," No, no, you may be popular in your neighborhood and your demeanor creates controversy, but don't change unless someone from the NBA Actually TELLS you to change." is your mindset? There is nothing wrong with trying to create a more professional image, and I'm sure Geoff would know better than me and you what direction he is going and what he is trying to achieve. If he has made this post, I'm sure he took into consideration a great deal of factors to make this post. And by the way, it's not an "imaginary sponsor." NASL _IS_ being sponsored by something real. I still stand by my original post.
How on earth do you read my post then reply with that many misconceptions about what I said?
Why are you trying to make an analogy to a basketball player in an already established sport beating people up and smoking crack to someone casting an SC2 league (an unestablished sport) having divisive opinions and making fun of other luminaries in the SC2 scene?! They're not at all similar, I mean really you're comparing a kellymilkies impression to advocating the use of crack?
The second paragraph again completely misses the point of my post, 'a more professional image' is such an insanely subjective term, not only because now you've made it relative to whatever a 'less professional image' is, but also because the gamut of opinion with regards to what constitutes commentator professionalism seems be wider than the grand canyon.
And the imaginary sponsor thing... REALLY? How on earth did you get from my post that I was saying the NASL didn't have an actual sponsor?! I can't comprehend how you can miss the point of my post so entirely as to post that. Incontrol didn't post on here because the sponsors told him to act more like john madden, he's asking ahead of time whether he should dilute himself for the sake of 'e-sports' as a whole. My entire point is that doing this in advance is ridiculous because it's not a factor taking seriously by TV producers and sponsors, yes they obviously don't want people actively shitting on their product, but if a lot of the appeal of Inc as a caster is his honesty and this results in a more accessible and popular event, then that's far more important for investors in whatever the scheme is.
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Good on you Geoff for being the bigger man; but I think most of the community was in your corner even without the apology.
From what I could tell, there were a few over sensitive individuals who tore you down for something I felt was pretty minor. You shouldn't give these drama queens the time of day.
As for the Kelly ordeal, Nony said it best, the accent turns me off immediately. You should be able to say something like that without facing scrutiny; in fact, on SOTG you probably took the softer stance, but somehow are accused of being too critical/insulting? Perhaps because of your reputation, but it's just not the reality of things. The internet is silly.
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Wanted to get off the "haters gunna hate" bandwagon. I like you Geoff, this apology seems very sincere and is appreciated. Look foward to watching your stream and you are a huge part of what makes SoTG loved by so many fans of the game and the great personalities that come with it. I can't think of anyone i'd rather see as the face of NASL... you are and honest and steadfast figure in a community that it seems is struggling a bit with all of this growth
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The problem I and a lot others probably have with you InControl, is you exaggerating with your "making fun" or "kidding around", whatever you want to call it.
When you're constantly making fun of someone in a show as big as SOTG it a) has been said even if you're "just kidding" and b) quite a lot listeners take it seriously.
So when you e.g. call out TB for super childish reactions and what not for apparently unknown circumstances, then guess what, a percentage of your audience does soak it up, changes its view upon TB, thanks to you. I mean look at all the guys hammering on TB because he wants to defend himself, which he kinda has to as you're hurting his image (kinda recursive loop right there).
If you intended that or not, in the end you did just that.
So I don't know, I hope you sometimes take a step back and being less of a douche. Making fun on the expense of someone else always causes trouble.
Apart from that I can only look forward NASL. We actually don't need all the talk. You'll probably proof yourself just fine ;P
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On February 27 2011 02:05 BluePabs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 23:51 Hynda wrote:On February 26 2011 22:52 bistri wrote:
@kelly "incident" i love her, she's great and i fully support her, but she speaks funny and thats the fact. Making fun of something is the most normal thing in the world and stereotypes are base of 90% of jokes.
If u "change" yourself on TL/SOTG beacuse of bunch of internet trolls, than you become a little bitch. And i for sure wont watch your stream or listen to SOTG cuz thats who you are and why people love you.
Proffesionalisam aside, if you are not speaking OFFICIALY IN NASL NAME, you have full rights to speak your mind. Mocking someone with nothing but malice isn't ok. There was no hint of any kind of gleam in the corner of his eyes, just pure malice. Sounds like you're doing too much creeping in the bushes outside of his house trying to peak in... I thought it was pretty standardized by now that he knows Kelly on a personal level and there was no malicious intent. But if you choose to ignore all of this I guess it is your prerogative.
It should also be noted that if he owed anybody an apology, it was Kelly herself (which I believe he admitted to doing), not anybody who witnessed the event. If somebody insults my friend Tom while Tom isn't around, I don't ask that person to apologize to me because I heard it. This is just mob mentality run amok.
If you want to scale it back a little bit, that's fine. Things you do or say were going to be scrutinized more, and now after this "event" people will just be looking for another reason to jump on you, regardless of if the situation warrants it.
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On February 27 2011 03:03 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The problem I and a lot others probably have with you InControl, is you exaggerating with your "making fun" or "kidding around", whatever you want to call it.
When you're constantly making fun of someone in a show as big as SOTG it a) has been said even if you're "just kidding" and b) quite a lot listeners take it seriously.
So when you e.g. call out TB for super childish reactions and what not for apparently unknown circumstances, then guess what, a percentage of your audience does soak it up, changes its view upon TB, thanks to you. I mean look at all the guys hammering on TB because he wants to defend himself, which he kinda has to as you're hurting his image (kinda recursive loop right there).
If you intended that or not, in the end you did just that.
So I don't know, I hope you sometimes take a step back and being less of a douche. Making fun on the expense of someone else always causes trouble.
Apart from that I can only look forward NASL. We actually don't need all the talk. You'll probably proof yourself just fine ;P
I myself couldn't listen to what iNcontrol was saying but kelly herself (I think) said it caused her to get rape threats/emails (apparently he was talking about Tasteless/Kelly doing stuff)
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I think all of this was massively blown out of proportion, kellymilkies is a personal friend - as far as I know she hasn't commented either way - seems she doesn't care. As for restreaming he stopped it when he realized it was bad, this guy is taking massive steps for the community and benefiting esports, some people are just too spoiled
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I never even knew about the GSL restreaming, LOL. Anyways, what I was slightly cheesed about before was the KellyMilkies mocking/bashing, but I might have took it too seriously anyways. I'm really glad that you apologized and that you're changing (as much as I hate that) for the good of eSports. Just remember that you're always freaking amazing, awesome, and a gift that has been bestowed unto the community. iNcontrol HWAITING!
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On February 26 2011 06:09 chiyiw wrote:
I also created an account to say that all you have to do is not be a dick. Everything else is completely alright, just stop being a dick. You weren't as dickish until NASL came out (or at least not as publicly dickish) and people were cool with it.
STOP BEING A DICK.
And ignore all those people who apologize on behalf of /r/sc. There is still a high level of skepticism. If you want to see a crazy change in public perception on reddit, just do an AMA and people will be running over to you trying to suck your dick.
This pretty much.
There's no need to reduce public exposure as long as you're willing to just keep it civil. I never really understood in what planet was it ok to ridicule another person in a live broadcast, even if I do truly believe you obviously meant no harm by it.
I'm glad you're acknowledging your status in the community and the repercussions and impact of what you do (or not do).
Even though I do not wish for you to reduce your involvement with the community, one thing you should definitely stop doing however, is getting involved in arbitrary public forum discussions. Most of the time these discussions are not representative of the big picture, and will just most likely tarnish your reputation.
Looking forward to NASL in April,
iNcontroL fightin'!!
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On February 27 2011 03:10 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 03:03 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The problem I and a lot others probably have with you InControl, is you exaggerating with your "making fun" or "kidding around", whatever you want to call it.
When you're constantly making fun of someone in a show as big as SOTG it a) has been said even if you're "just kidding" and b) quite a lot listeners take it seriously.
So when you e.g. call out TB for super childish reactions and what not for apparently unknown circumstances, then guess what, a percentage of your audience does soak it up, changes its view upon TB, thanks to you. I mean look at all the guys hammering on TB because he wants to defend himself, which he kinda has to as you're hurting his image (kinda recursive loop right there).
If you intended that or not, in the end you did just that.
So I don't know, I hope you sometimes take a step back and being less of a douche. Making fun on the expense of someone else always causes trouble.
Apart from that I can only look forward NASL. We actually don't need all the talk. You'll probably proof yourself just fine ;P I myself couldn't listen to what iNcontrol was saying but kelly herself (I think) said it caused her to get rape threats/emails (apparently he was talking about Tasteless/Kelly doing stuff)
You're a pretty bold person aren't you? I mean for admitting that you didn't actually hear what you're talking about you still seem confident to say that what incontrol said "caused her to get rape threats/emails".
Some people just amaze me.
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On February 27 2011 03:59 BluePabs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 03:10 ImHuko wrote:On February 27 2011 03:03 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The problem I and a lot others probably have with you InControl, is you exaggerating with your "making fun" or "kidding around", whatever you want to call it.
When you're constantly making fun of someone in a show as big as SOTG it a) has been said even if you're "just kidding" and b) quite a lot listeners take it seriously.
So when you e.g. call out TB for super childish reactions and what not for apparently unknown circumstances, then guess what, a percentage of your audience does soak it up, changes its view upon TB, thanks to you. I mean look at all the guys hammering on TB because he wants to defend himself, which he kinda has to as you're hurting his image (kinda recursive loop right there).
If you intended that or not, in the end you did just that.
So I don't know, I hope you sometimes take a step back and being less of a douche. Making fun on the expense of someone else always causes trouble.
Apart from that I can only look forward NASL. We actually don't need all the talk. You'll probably proof yourself just fine ;P I myself couldn't listen to what iNcontrol was saying but kelly herself (I think) said it caused her to get rape threats/emails (apparently he was talking about Tasteless/Kelly doing stuff) You're a pretty bold person aren't you? I mean for admitting that you didn't actually hear what you're talking about you still seem confident to say that what incontrol said "caused her to get rape threats/emails". Some people just amaze me.
10-20 people told me about it while it was happening, unless it was a coordinated troll, I am pretty confident it happened.. Kelly posted about it but removed it because she misunderstood the post she responded to, that is why I said "I think". I agree with you, I would have to be some sort of crazyperson to make something like that up
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you can always stream yourself talking about the GSL games live. So long as it audio only and u don't show us the picture of the game themself thats legal. Because your recasts are pretty damn funny and i'd hate for that to be the last.
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Im extremely excited for you to be the face of NASL. I just realllllllllly hope you dont have to tune down the humor too much. The TB and Kelly impressions are amazing and seriously absolutely make my day. Especially on SoTG. Dont lose yourself in this whole process!
gl hf gg
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Incontrol, I just want to let you know you've still got many supporters. And to me personally, I really enjoy having a personality that speaks their mind. Everyone is too politically correct. But you aren't, and that makes listening to you a breath of fresh air. I know that you are now the face of the NASL and can no longer be quite as outspoken as you once were. Just be careful not to lose the personality that brought the entire community behind you.
Incontrol and NASL fighting!
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You don't need to change... people need to change and harden up or SC2 as an esport will have a very hard time in the west.
Anyway, gl with whatever persona you choose.
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On February 26 2011 06:09 chiyiw wrote:
I also created an account to say that all you have to do is not be a dick. Everything else is completely alright, just stop being a dick. You weren't as dickish until NASL came out (or at least not as publicly dickish) and people were cool with it.
STOP BEING A DICK.
And ignore all those people who apologize on behalf of /r/sc. There is still a high level of skepticism. If you want to see a crazy change in public perception on reddit, just do an AMA and people will be running over to you trying to suck your dick.
I disagree. I have no problem with anything you've done other than the silly GSL restream. Yes, you've made fun of people, and yes a lot of it could be seen as inappropriate, but everyone who's followed you at all knows that none of what you say is malicious or supposed to be taken personally. Everyone who has a problem with what you've done up until now has taken things out of proportion or out of context, or just hasn't gotten the whole story.
A lot of the criticisms you've brought up are completely valid and are ones shared by numerous other community members. A lot of us don't the voice to express these opinions, or the credibility to seen as anything other than a flaming troll. I'm glad you have spoken out on these issues, and given us a legitimate voice in the community. I think it will be a real shame if you do start censorriing yourself and a disservice to the community.
Here's hoping you keep it going.
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