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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
(10) GGQ: deconduo, Believer, GMarshal, Mr. Wiggles, chaoser, thefluffyone93, Coagulation, ilovejohn, beefy187, JBright (1) deconduo: GGQ Currently not voting: SiNiquity, aidnai (1) GMarshal: Insanious Bleh. GGQ's dead, but I don't think he's Mafia. WIFOM I guess but seems too easy. Vote: chaoser - seems to have escaped all attention (as has Insanious with all of his 5 posts). | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:02 GMarshal wrote: ok at this point I guess GGQ is just going to persist in being useless, we may as well hang him in reply to Insanious , I don't but when town all jumps on a single lynch and there is next to no protest along with the person being lynched happily spouting nonsense there's something wrong, at least in my opinion. I had some hope that maybe GGQ would be a little bit more helpful, but I guess not. Also LD, I hadn't considered that as a viable defense method, mostly because it seems so strange. Note that I still don't believe GGQ is scum, but since he seems to be hanging himself, I won't stop him. The fact that we have pretty much decided a lynch does not mean that we should stop scumhunting however, we need to get cracking on that since as far as we know its 13 to 3 probably with a third party out there who may or may not be interested in helping town. I really do not have time to do an analysis of anyone right now, however I will try to get one done during the night cycle today, but please for the love of god people don't get complacent because we have a set lynch for today. There's still 7 hours (where most will be asleep so admittedly it would take a miracle at this point). If you don't think GGQ's scum, don't vote for him. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On February 14 2011 15:43 chaoser wrote: BACK! I will 100% read and analyze tomorrow, you can hold me to that, if I don't you can lynch me =p On February 15 2011 13:47 chaoser wrote: Wow, finally caught up. Man, taking 5 modkills up the butt ain't so good at all. I was just wondering, why isn't aidnai being pressured more? Maybe it's just me reading too fast combined with a slight fever cause I have a cold but his claim against Ace and then Ace coming in to show just how wrong everything was seems really strange...Am I just not getting something? Either way FoS aidnai. On February 16 2011 04:47 chaoser wrote: ##Vote GGQ Bandwagoning ain't a thang  | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:03 SiNiquity wrote: (1) SiNiquity: gryffindor (10) GGQ: deconduo, Believer, GMarshal, Mr. Wiggles, chaoser, thefluffyone93, Coagulation, ilovejohn, beefy187, JBright (1) deconduo: GGQ Currently not voting: SiNiquity, aidnai (1) GMarshal: Insanious Bleh. GGQ's dead, but I don't think he's Mafia. WIFOM I guess but seems too easy. Vote: chaoser - seems to have escaped all attention (as has Insanious with all of his 5 posts). Please, call me thugnificentser. I've decided on a new name. | ||
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why
United States215 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
@sin On February 13 2011 06:41 SiNiquity wrote: Ironically, my character profile states I don't have much time for mafia anymore LOL so true. But anyway, I just caught up with the thread and there's a shit ton of Kita bashing for no apparent reason. You guys are dumb if you think he's mafia. On February 13 2011 06:46 SiNiquity wrote: No shit, because when I post I'm right. So no, I don't make a ton of haphazard posts saying "Well what about this itty bitty thing over here that someone said that makes me tingle in funny places? And it's not my SPIDEY SENSEEEE" because let's face it, I don't have a need to crap all over the thread like the rest of you. On February 13 2011 07:59 SiNiquity wrote: Yes mum. Sorry mum. -_- On February 14 2011 05:24 SiNiquity wrote: I'd post a rolleyes smiley but even a thousand wouldn't cut it so: http://i54.tinypic.com/28k6no3.gif On February 14 2011 11:42 SiNiquity wrote: Hmm. also on top of what you already said about misder his only post from the start of the day: Lies. you haven't said much of anything either | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So many people are being abnormally inactive... What's up wit' that hey? They forgot this forums existed | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:39 LunarDestiny wrote: At least you guys are alive, I am dead. That'll teach you to become so romantically involved with people. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On February 16 2011 02:35 deconduo wrote: Aidnai: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote: Rofl...I see Kenpachi and Pandain are not playing, so I hate to say it Coag but you're our only viable day 1 lynch. I see that there are only 3 scum, and there's no abstaining. We're almost certainly gonna be lynching a lot of townies this game. KP will be our best indicator of lynch success it looks like, though if we kill the GF we may not realize immediately. I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business: Vote: ELITECubWarman8 for being new and having such a long fricking name. Random vote. I don't approve but it doesn't mean anything really. On February 11 2011 14:34 aidnai wrote: Oh WTF zerroth is playing? he got modkilled I thought he was doing a 1 game ban right now. Hmm... I guess that will start after this game then. And, I suck Kita? I'm guessing this is just your character talking... + Show Spoiler + @Ace: I agree 27/3 is pretty stacked. Since the OP specifically says Mafia is 2 grunts + Godfather, I'm guessing there's a third party. Possibly mafia can recruit, possibly there are "townies" that win with scum (can't remember the term for that). Or as you say, OP scum roles. I'm tempted to browse pevergreen's games at the other site since I have a feeling he's run this exact setup before... No time for that at the moment unfortunately. Nothing too important here but not spam. Kind of wishy washy comment at the end. 'I would help contribute but I don't have time. I want to appear good though so I'll say it.' On February 11 2011 15:37 aidnai wrote: First off, don't edit. It's a cardinal sin, or perhaps a mortal sin (anyone know which is worse?). Second, before you start defending Coag, I'd go look at some of his prior games. His play style is hard to read at best, and harmful to town at worst... Why, thanks for doing that extra research. I'll tentatively assume we're dealing with cult(s) for now. Did you happen to see what kind of KP or abilities the cults had? Sorry for not looking myself, but I'm trying to develop a function/algorithim for a spreadsheet for work at the moment... Again, nothing significant here that I can see but it isn't spam. Speculation on the setup is always good I suppose when theres not much else to talk about. That little 'I would contribute but I don't have time' comment pops up again. I really don't like it. On February 11 2011 17:44 aidnai wrote: So let me get this straight... You ask for meta on Coag because he's acting strange, Node gives it to you, then all the sudden Node is scum for buddying up to Coag who is all of a sudden likely town? Damn, you're either light years ahead of me...or...That doesn't really make sense does it? FOS on gryffindor. I won't change my vote yet, until more people have posted and I have reads on more people. But your logic for voting Node is suspect to say the least. Node is correct about Coag by the way, whether or not either of them is scum. Coag has done nothing unusual for his own 'meta' so far this game. Yeah, I have to agree with him here. That was a scummy move by gryffindor and he was right to point it out. On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote: Gryffindor. You'll notice towns on TL.net like to throw around FOSs at the most active players. Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present. People with no posts since day start: - Siniquity - Zerroth - Project Psycho* - Johnhughthom* - ELITEcubwarman8* - Insanious - Beefy187* - me_viet* * indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more. Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either. IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out. Also, I'd like to say this post is scummy. 1) generic advice to town (our job is scumhunting, recommendations etc) 2) posting a vote count (easy way to contribute without contributing) 3) 3rd paragraph is just weird. The point of putting votes on lurkers is to force them to talk...why are you trying to coax some contribution out of zerroth by being buddy-buddy? Overall this feels like a forced post, aka, scum trying to figure out something town-like to post. Pushes inactives, which is good (but doesn't seem to have worked  ) DTs on the people who voted for zerroth is not a bad idea as mafia do like an easy lynch. However I disagree with all his points on SR's post.1)Considering the number of new players, this was needed imo. 2)Vote counts are actually important if the mod isn't doing them regularly. Look how many votes it has take to lynch each day: 5 and 4.... 3)We want inactives to contribute. One way to do that is to threaten with being lynched. If being nice works too, why not? Aidnai seems to think the two are mutually exclusive for some reason. I feel this was a small bit forced. On February 12 2011 07:49 aidnai wrote: I agree with you (gryffindor and deconduo) about GGQ, but ilovejonn falls in the same category. So directing DT checks at the people voting zerroth is really a great option I believe. Yep. On February 12 2011 09:26 aidnai wrote: Rofl I have no idea what you guys are talking about... this is like culture clash forum mafia style! Welcome to TL mafia, by the way, glad you could join.  Irrelevant/spammish On February 12 2011 12:54 aidnai wrote: Rofl dude... Well, I'm hoping that you just got excited because you misread, or perhaps it's just your role... you got ants in your pants or something? Also, coag, I want to point out to you why Ace's directions to DT's were good. A pressure vote on zerroth that was started rather trivially was rapidly turning into a legit bandwagon. Now, is zerroth a scum? Who knows, he hasn't posted yet. Only the mafia know if he's one of them or not. Now the point is, if zerroth is town (or just non-mafia), then he represents a 'safe' lynch target for scum to vote on. He won't fight back, there won't be repercussions when he's lynched because he was not pro-town etc. So, as a townie, should you defend zerroth and try to stop the lynch? If you do, you might end up defending a mafia, a third party, or a lurker that gets modkilled, and you'll look suspicious yourself later. So do you just let zerroth die? that lets mafia pick off a random townie, leave no associations to follow up on, and no day 1 discussion about the lynch. So the correct answer in this situation is, check the sheep who voted zerroth to get an easy 'safe' lynch. Now the supposedly safe lynch for scum puts them at risk of being DT'ed. If DT's RNG their target, they have a 3/29 chance of hitting mafia. If there is even 1 scum on a list of 5 people voting for zerroth, the odds of finding scum are almost double. And if there's 2 scum, now that list is looking pretty unsafe for scum, don't you think? Good post. Good logic. I approve. On February 12 2011 13:13 aidnai wrote: This is rich Kita, really rich... Let's summarize your case, if that's possible. 1) Jumps on the lynch Coag day 1 bandwagon with an obvious joke post that is followed by me later saying 'Coag is hard to read, don't waste your time defending him' and 'Coag is within his normal meta'. 2) gives generic town advice actually saying DT's should check the zerroth vote list is pretty specific, but unfortunately I can't take credit for the idea :/ 3) FoSing and pressuring people is a bad thing? I should be vote hopping instead? lol... You know what, this really feels like an Annul vs LSB situation from, uh, what mafia was hmm.. it's slipped my mind. You remember, when Annul was godfather and tunneled LSB to his day one lynch with the expectation of not being held accountable later. Good response to kita I think. On February 12 2011 14:04 aidnai wrote: How many times are you going selectively crop my quotes so that you can misconstrue what I said? In the whole quote, I did address your 'analysis', ridiculous as it was. You did it in your original analysis as well, looks like you're grasping at straws. Not to mention your bizarre behaviour in the thread earlier, lashing out randomly, I really believe you must be acting out a very strange role, a role that is forcing you to target me for some reason. See, both of these quotes are actually the same post, yet you pick one part to show me hopping on Coag's bandwagon and another part to show me "pushing" a lynch on elitecubwarman8. That's so far fetched...it's impossible for you to be this bad without any ulterior motives... So tell us Kitaman, are you scum, or is it a pro-town role that is making you behave this way? More defense. Doesn't do anything scummy as far as I can see. On February 12 2011 16:54 aidnai wrote: Now that Kitaman has proven his insanity, you two mind taking your votes off me? Good question. I don't know why people would have listened to kita in the first place tbh. On February 13 2011 07:28 aidnai wrote: Are you joking, or did you miss kita's posts somehow? Only reason there hasn't been more kita bashing is that everyone knows he's not really as crazy as he's been acting, there must be something else going on. Thinking he's mafia isn't dumb either, Annul pulled a similar move to get LSB lynched day 1 in a recent game. If you can think of a reason for a normally intelligent townie to hardcore tunnel another townie without any evidence or proof, please share because I've been racking my brain and come up with nothing. BTW, I understand there's some arguments for not being active at night or whatever, but come day I hope there's a bit more discussion -_- Yep I didn't like that post of sinq's either. On February 14 2011 05:43 aidnai wrote: Wassup ACE?!?! I'm going to full on role claim here, minus the red text of course. - Since my power was activated, I was being targeted as a kill, not a roleblock or anything else - Since Ace was targeting me for the kill and he was affected by the curse which affects mafia, Ace was in fact mafia My job here is done, if they kill me for realz they still can't shut me up lol I highly recommend that any advice, opinions etc given by Ace from here on out be ignored. Last thing to say, we'll hopefully know after tonight's KP if Ace was a GF or a grunt. I think probably a grunt was sent to kill, but Ace as GF is smart from mafia perspective so I dunno... Now we get to the juicy part. As he hasn't been opposed its pretty safe to assume he is Kage. The .org players agree that his roleclaim makes sense, so if something is faked its probably subtle. Claims Ace must have tried to kill him because his power activated but we know this to be wrong now. Jumping to conclusions? On February 14 2011 05:57 aidnai wrote: I think you made an incorrect assumption about the GF not being killable Bum. Check it out That means Ace could have been GF, and it means you can throw out the scenario where Ace was killed for targeting the GF. Not important I think. On February 14 2011 15:53 aidnai wrote: Hmm... I did not receive a PM that my power activated, and I do realize my role PM says that "whenever you are killed at night" is when my power activates. BUT It also says I'm a veteran type which I assume means I have night life, so what seems more likely: my power activates after I actually die (2nd hit) or that it was just not perfectly worded? I kinda think it's more likely that my power activates when I'm hit the first time... Additionally, and I really think this is important, IF Ace was trying to kidnap me, why the hell would that show up in the day post? even more so considering it failed!? I'm certain there are plenty of roles and night actions going on, none of them showed up...except for kills. Now Ace is trying to use his psychological intimidation to shut me up or bully me around as well.. In Insane mafia, Ace used an 'inconsistency' in a role claim alongside psychological intimidation like this to not only beat a sure lynch, but get the blue lynched as well... if you're interested, check it out here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=172#3422 and keep reading the next 20 pages or so lol... Now, that said, I'm considering the possibility that Ace is innocent and I just made a complete ass of myself. Along those lines, I've PMed pevergreen about what kind of notification I can expect if/when my power activates. I guess I'll just post the same questions here in the thread: If he answers via PM, i'll post that. He realises he might be wrong about his ability. On February 14 2011 16:48 aidnai wrote: Yes, so consider, Ace wrote a nice story where he tied me up in a gunny sack and then fed me to a lion but then pevergreen changes the story to fit the fact that Ace ended up dying. I really don't understand how this game mechanic provides evidence in favor of Ace... Again, the points: - Only kill targets showed up in the night post - I showed up in the night post - My killer died - I have a vet role with an unknown power that is bad for mafia Ace claims he was kidnapping me, but it doesn't make any sense that I (my role) would be named in the night post if I was simply a failed kidnap attempt. If Ace was kidnapping me, he wouldn't be writing me into a kill post; his killer would know nothing of me and not write me into the post; why would pevergreen edit me into the story? Logical On February 14 2011 16:52 aidnai wrote: ok wtf, and now I get this from pevergreen... I take this to mean I had nothing to do with Ace's death wtf... Admits he was wrong, sorta. On February 14 2011 18:06 aidnai wrote: kita, the pm's i sent you before you died -- did you find any inconsistencies? can you say anything about gryffindor? and orgahs, just for kicks, what is the backstory between pevergreen and kagemusha? I saw kagemusha is a mod over at TW, and then in the day2 post there was this (from my character) I'd like to know this too. On February 14 2011 18:33 aidnai wrote: Not used to these short days... only two hours left, and I have no idea who to vote for T.T I think we'll be seeing some modkills soon too. For OMGUS voting and contributing nothing, Vote Beefy187 Bad vote imo, there were better candidates Ok, quite a lot to go through but overall I think he's much more likely to be town. Especially because of the roleclaim and his assumption that he took out ace. I think a mafia would have thought it through a bit more and been more cautious. He has said I few things that I don't like, but overall I wouldn't be wary of him yet. One last note, his roleclaim means that: -If he is mafia, he has an excuse for not being targeted when other TL veterans are dying all around us. -If its legit, the only way mafia can safely get rid of him is to get him lynched. I would certainly encourage a DT to check people who pushed for his lynch after his roleclaim. Thanks for doing all these analyses decon, you're about the only player who isn't being scummy, stupid or useless this game it seems (i fall into the middle category unfortunately :/) GGQ is making himself impossible to defend, it's no wonder no one is (besides gmarshal I guess). I definitely consider his behaviour lynchable and will not oppose his bandwagon, but I would hate for discussion of other lynches to suffer from this one... Speaking of other lynches, chaoser volunteered for a lynch, and I'm thinking it'd be a good idea to take him up on it. On February 14 2011 15:43 chaoser wrote: BACK! I will 100% read and analyze tomorrow, you can hold me to that, if I don't you can lynch me =p Promises to read/analyze the following day, but then this is his only post the following day: On February 15 2011 13:47 chaoser wrote: Wow, finally caught up. Man, taking 5 modkills up the butt ain't so good at all. I was just wondering, why isn't aidnai being pressured more? Maybe it's just me reading too fast combined with a slight fever cause I have a cold but his claim against Ace and then Ace coming in to show just how wrong everything was seems really strange...Am I just not getting something? Either way FoS aidnai. You can take your FoS and shove it where the sun don't shine. And his only post so far today: On February 16 2011 04:47 chaoser wrote: ##Vote GGQ Bandwagoning ain't a thang Keep in mind that this promise of contributing was a day after an earlier promise to contribute, which came after a list of spam/useless posts/random votes etc. On February 13 2011 08:43 chaoser wrote: Hey guys, I'm in NY for business but I'll be back home by tomorrow night and will catch up and contribute then! Promise! Also, about my vote last time, the reason is a secret =p + Show Spoiler [spam posts] + On February 11 2011 12:30 chaoser wrote: OHHHH SNAP! THEMS FIGHTING WORDS One other post worth mentioning: On February 11 2011 15:01 chaoser wrote: Assuming we have some blue roles (DT, medic, etc.) who should we be looking to check? Ace obvs =] but who else? BB? He gently directs DT checks away from himself, even though he's as much a veteran as brownbear. Vote chaoser This guy needs to die. Since his lynch is pretty unlikely today, vig hit tonight would be great, or I'll push it again tomorrow. (checking the thread I see siniquity saw the same stuff as me but posted quicker meh..) | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:39 LunarDestiny wrote: At least you guys are alive, I am dead. Hey, but you can still help out. Being dead doesn't mean you automatically lost. On February 16 2011 14:37 chaoser wrote: They out in PM land probably, sadly I'm not part of it =[ you'd think an invite would make me actually want to be a bit more active lol I feel you. Sometimes these PM circles are too restrictive. I also find it hard to believe that GGQ is scum, but it's not really easy to identify a better candidate. There have been quite a few analyses already and most of them give mixed messages at best. It's also especially hard to give a good analysis since people can claim a different personality was forced upon them by the role PM. By now, everyone except aidnai has voted for this day and no one will get modkilled. I guess I'll jump off the bandwagon and vote for someone who didn't get a registered vote for day 2. Unvote Vote:ilovejonn | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:31 chaoser wrote: I will say that I'm not scum though, I just have no idea how to play this particular game. No role flips, no clues, weird rules/restrictions for every person that we can't speak about or tell people, maybe multiple factions? @sin you haven't said much of anything either On February 16 2011 14:32 chaoser wrote: At least my inactivity is just straight up that, yours is more of the contributing but not really kind. Your criticism of siniquity is off the mark... Although most of siniquity's posts were useless, scummy, spammy, etc, I don't see how you can characterize any of those posts as "contributing without contributing" or "trying to seem like contributing". You are the one that promised contribution two days in a row and failed completely to deliver. @jbright, you could hop on this wagon instead of wasting your vote. Just saying. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 16 2011 14:57 aidnai wrote: Your criticism of siniquity is off the mark... Although most of siniquity's posts were useless, scummy, spammy, etc, I don't see how you can characterize any of those posts as "contributing without contributing" or "trying to seem like contributing". You are the one that promised contribution two days in a row and failed completely to deliver. @jbright, you could hop on this wagon instead of wasting your vote. Just saying. Sorry, I didn't mean contributing without contributing, I just meant that they're longer than one liners but still useless. I really don't see much to contribute tbh, I feel like this game is all about surviving till end game and then trying to figure out if anyone in the last few people are mafia or not. There's way too many unknowns for me to even make sense of anything. I've never played with multiple factions but I feel like that totally throws off scum hunting for me, I don't know if I should read someone as third party but still wins with town or mafia or third party working against mafia and town or a mess of other things. At this point I'm just trying to remember what everyone said and hoping I can get to 11 peoples and see what I can do from there, feel like every shot we're making is a shot in the dark =[ | ||
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pevergreen
Australia252 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:57 GMarshal wrote: can we get what his name was please pevergreen? atheotes. | ||
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