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On January 09 2011 10:36 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 15:48 Qatol wrote:On January 08 2011 12:01 flamewheel wrote:
Insanious and Brocket have been modkilled in TL Mafia XXXV for inactivity. Okay updated. PM from and response to Insanious dealing with his "voting but not posting" modkill.
I do have to apologize for that--unfortunately that's Incognito that didn't do the aforementioned modkilling, so in fairness I'll make it so you aren't punished on the ban list for this. Either way, these rules (must post and must vote) may seem slightly arbitrary, but the purpose of these "activity requirements" is, well, to promote activity. Even though you did vote, you did not post in the main thread. Inactivity is a pain to everybody. As the host, I don't like seeing people not show interest in the game. As a player, I hate seeing an empty thread. Show nested quote +Original Message From Insanious: I hate to post? I voted... you didn't mod kill 5 people before for not posting, why are you mod killing people now? Original Message From flamewheel:
You haven't posted in the thread for this cycle. If you do not do so before 10:00 EST you will fail to meet activity requirements and thus be modkilled.
There needs to be some new way of dealing with these increasingly prevalent and aggravating activity (or the lack thereof) issues. Too many people have simply voted/posted "as so not to get modkilled." If I am to host games in the future, I'll be following in Ace's stead and not accepting people that I know will not be active.
Warning instead or nothing?
And I'll leave the "posting not to be modkilled" problem up to you. I don't really see it as something that the ban list should be dealing with. I think it is up to the hosts to determine what activity levels are acceptable to them and they should moderate based on their standards. If someone joins a game knowing that doing stuff like that is unacceptable to that host, then they are at fault for whatever punishment they get.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
A warning will suffice then.
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On January 09 2011 17:41 flamewheel wrote:
A warning will suffice then.
Okay, Insanious has been added to the warning list, removed from the ban list, and PMed about this.
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Hmm I guess a 1 game on Chaoser is fine. I mean I usually think the ban list exists to punish someone who is chronically inactive. I'd say give him a warning because he is consistently not an inactive player but now there is no point since he is already serving out one of his bans. I think maybe we should implement some sort of consistent inactive is rewarded. Like for every 10 games you play where you don't get modkilled you get 1 game mistake pass. I think that works better for rewarding good players and not arbitrarily banning people we would prefer to be in our games.
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On January 09 2011 18:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hmm I guess a 1 game on Chaoser is fine. I mean I usually think the ban list exists to punish someone who is chronically inactive. I'd say give him a warning because he is consistently not an inactive player but now there is no point since he is already serving out one of his bans. I think maybe we should implement some sort of consistent inactive is rewarded. Like for every 10 games you play where you don't get modkilled you get 1 game mistake pass. I think that works better for rewarding good players and not arbitrarily banning people we would prefer to be in our games.
The first thing that comes to mind with a policy like this is keeping track of all of those players would be a nightmare. I agree that Chaoser might be getting the short end of the stick, but we're trying to make long term policy here. Are you advocating something more along the lines of what BC was saying?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 14 2011 15:35 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:31 TheMango wrote:
super crazy ranting lunatic the past day Yeah. That's it. I've had enough of TL mafia.
In the own words, this seems to be a permanent ban. I'll be discussing this with Incognito later, but textwise this seems to be what all parties want.
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On January 15 2011 12:04 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:35 orgolove wrote:On January 14 2011 15:31 TheMango wrote:
super crazy ranting lunatic the past day Yeah. That's it. I've had enough of TL mafia. In the own words, this seems to be a permanent ban. I'll be discussing this with Incognito later, but textwise this seems to be what all parties want.
Except he came back and posted a long game-related analysis after that post. I wasn't sure what orgolove wanted. Though what you and Incognito want obviously comes first.
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no dont perma orgolove
his anger pleases me.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
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Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well ok so your ranting and raving for the past several pages has really pissed me off. I count -two- total posts of me "ranting" in the past three pages. The rest were analysis of vote patterns and trying to convince the rest of the town to vote the right people. What, did those two posts hurt your ego so much? Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:You've fallen so far to use ad hominem attacks and been unable to maintain any appearence of civility. Try harder. "ad hominem" lol, I called Pandain an idiot for being a fucking idiot. A sense of civility does not preclude one from calling a dumbass out for being one. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:You've raged at people for sheeping or being afk in both games however you yourself have barely been active and when being called out about being inactive you've flamed those people. Where the -hell- did I flame people for calling me inactive? In the first few pages of this, I clearly explained that I've been busy with holidays and the turn of the year. Once flamewheel pmed me to be more active, I tried to be such. I don't see anywhere I flamed specifically for people calling me inactive, unless the originator was hypocritical. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
When you were killed last game you proceded to rage out causing several people to call you out and you promptly flamed them. I made ONE post that game after death. ONE. It was a response to, again, ONE player who called me out, after death, and the primary purpose of that post was to point out that kicking a dead horse is kinda, not fair, since I can't reply to them. Nowhere did I "flame" without reason. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
In this game several people have asked you to calm down and you've either ignored them or further flamed them. Rebirth was the only one that asked me to calm me down. And as I wrote above, I spent a total of TWO posts where I flamed pandain for being a dumbass. After that I went right back into the game. Actually read over the page before wasting my time like this. And you say what Fishball and Foolishness did is "calming someone down"? Calling someone a fool is, objectively, a pretty bad way to calm someone down, don't you think? Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:27 Foolishness wrote:
my nice way of telling you to calm down Hell, if that was his nice way of telling someone to calm down, I'd hate to see what his mean way would be. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I know that it's up to Qatol to deal with these sort of situations and if he thinks this post is out of line then I'll be more than happy to delete it but I for one will not be signing up for any games you in which you choose to participate in the future.
/Rage Every post after my few discussions with Shockeyy has been responses to -other- non-participants in the game who incited this conflict further instead of letting us get back into the discussion of the game itself. If that hurts your ego so much that you post a full on flame with zero content to the game, then I'm sorry for any future players who will play in your games.
Every one of my so-called rage posts, apart from my first two directed against Pandain, was in response to others that barged in the thread with unrelated comments. Notice that immediately after my first two rage posts, I immediately tried to get back into the game and analyze it. And even in between my responses to the outsiders that entered the thread, I still tried to get in my analysis of the game,
Listen. After you asked me to be more active, I tried to be more active. I invested my time and heart into the game, and tried to revive a failing game despite active townies actively working, knowingly or unknowingly, to screw up the game.
Was those two posts any worse than the rage posts of some of the other well-known members? This almost feels like a double standard, of people really getting on my case whenever I call a stupid play stupid, but let established players say as please without consequences i.e. annul's game quitting threats.
It's not like I threatened a player or insulted the very humanity of a player. I merely expressed my frustration in all of TWO posts. Look at the game objectively please.
Are you really going to ban me because of TWO rage posts, which were of no stronger degree than some other rage posts we've seen from established players throughout TL mafia? Come on now.
And btw, if you were in my situation, and got a hornet's nest of players who got onto your case, including a MOD that called all your hours-long efforts nothing but crazed ranting, then I'm sure you would also feel like quitting, at least temporarily.
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I support orgolove, but maybe just a warning, I know that others made rage posts and got of with a warning and I don't see any reason why Orgo should be treated differently
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I don't see why orgolove should really get a ban. He was just being mad at how he perceived a "dumb town". It's like what I felt in...I forgot the specifics. But I was being dumb(again) and felt that everyone was following RoL's analysis of aidnai, which i felt was complete BS. Turns out he was right later on, but then I was so just...disillusioned I had to get myself replaced.
Just warn him imo
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I personally have a problem with anyone calling anyone a cunt for any reason. In the words of Mani,
On June 26 2009 13:45 Manifesto7 wrote:
Don't call someone a cunt, ever. Not here, not in real life.
WheelOfTime was just banned by Manifesto7.
That account was created on 2009-10-28 17:59:59 and had 331 posts.
Reason: You called a Korean boy who plays video games well a "cunt" for defeating another boy who also plays video games well. Seriously. A cunt.
Call me old fashioned, but cunt is on the very end of the swearing spectrum. Cunt is reserved for the girl that strings you along for years for your money while simultaneously fucking your best friend. Cunt is reserved for the boss who forces you to work overtime so that she can leave early, causing you to miss the gold medal hockey game between your country and your most bitter rivals. Cunt is the word that instantly stops a conversation, no matter the topic, and turns people instantly angry.
And you used it to describe a Korean boy who plays video games well.
Don't ever come back.
I didn't like the frequent use of "fuck" either, but I'm not going to push that as hard because society has become a lot more desensitized to the word. Regardless, I totally understand Incognito's reaction. Yes, orgolove was angry and whatnot, but if you can't get away with a post anywhere else on TL, you can't get away with it here. I am in favor of something harsher than a warning, especially considering that orgolove has been modkilled/banned in the past for aggressive posting. That being said, I'd like to hear the opinions of others, particularly Incognito and Flamewheel (who have promised me they will take care of this in the next few days).
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And btw, if you were in my situation, and got a hornet's nest of players who got onto your case, including a MOD that called all your hours-long efforts nothing but crazed ranting, then I'm sure you would also feel like quitting, at least temporarily.
I don't see anything wrong with what I posted. Sorry you took it personally, but I feel what I wrote is well in the spirit and rules of the game. Especially since your analysis was totally off base and wrong  You on the other hand, you took it way too far with your curse laden rant and your over the top replies to people criticizing you. At a certain point, you have to step back and realize this is just a game. There's no reason why you cant be both competitive and civil.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 15 2011 15:05 Qatol wrote:but if you can't get away with a post anywhere else on TL, you can't get away with it here.
If you're going to focus on the word "cunt" that much:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98457¤tpage=49#972
long post.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2009 00:34 Elemenope wrote:Ok, listen up cunts. Ver has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of giving us new information. All of it is just information ALREADY STATED. No one gives a fuck who found Clazz or who found Kuja. Fuck, if Kuja weren't such a dumbfuck and turned out to be townie, you guys would start crying because half of you already role claimed to Ver based on UNVERIFIABLE INFORMATION. Ver *still* hasn't posted these mafia names. And for what? "THEY'LL IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE!" Ok, gee. If it were *anybody* other than Ace, L, Ver, all you cunts would be saying "WE CAN'T TRUST HIM, RELEASE THESE NAMES." You guys are playing with Ver's balls so much. The only reason Ver can get away with this is because he's a big name. "Hey, let me write a long post and not explain anything new and rehash information while saying I also have new mafia names while not stating who these mafia are, even after they can't kill me or these people that would be compromised". Jesus fucking christ, how the fuck can you guys even role claim after nothing new was said. Ver brought *nothing new* to the table at all. He's giving us a "Hey, trust me, I have mafia, not going to say who, but trust me, I'm a big name". You guys are backwards like hell. Asking Ace to role claim based on his Clazziquai information, yet you guys blindly trust Ver based on his.....old information? At least Ace fucking did something to help the town so far. "OH BUT THEY'RE GOING TO RAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY" Jesus christ this is a fucking non-issue. It's 3 people max that can rally. Oh look at that, we have at least 2 vigs, and we have a lynch tomorrow. HOLY SHIT PROBLEM SOLVED. They can't get other people into their doomed 3 person circle as everybody else can be like "hey man, this is a long PM explaining why I'm mafia, trust me, everybody seems to do it" "BUT MY ASSOCIATES AND FRIENDS ETC ARE GOING TO DIIIIIIIIIE BY THESE MAFIA IF NAMES ARE RELEASED" So we trade 3 people for 3 mafia when they're already going to be down 4. So you think there's 20 mafia or something? They get no new information, no new rallying point. In comparison, we can get our own communication web set up based upon the veracity of your claims of these mafia which means coordination between remaining power roles unlike mafia, who are boned because of Kuja and going to be down 7 mafia by 4th night if you were to release these names. "BUT HE'S VER, HE DOESN'T NEED TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF" Right. Jesus christ, you guys are like fucking sheep every single goddamn game. Why you guys don't have the word 'doubt' in your vocabulary is beyond me. Moving on to a different subject: Motbob's roleclaim. This is so fucking far out there, I am seriously fucking doubting it. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 15:21 motbob wrote:
The mafia thought he still had me convinced he was NKVD. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 15:27 motbob wrote:
Well Ver has a good reason for keeping his mafias a secret, but I guess I don't. It's RebirthofLegend. Ok. Anybody who got the PM, which is everybody in the WHOLE MAFIA FORUM it seems since even fucking CALLER GOT THE PM, knows that it didn't REMOTELY IMPLY NKVD AT FUCKING ALL. Show nested quote +yo mannn I just used my role check today to check you, and you came back as a Ukrainian too, I was trying to figure out how Caller wrote clues and I guess I got it (or got lucky rofl) just PM me back so we can get this Ukrainian death machine rolling, the sooner we organized the better. If you don't want to PM me back yet, I suggest using your power and checking me too. I can surely see what is going on through medic motbob's mind: "OH SHIT, THIS GUY IS CLAIMING TO BE UKRAINIAN AND IS CALLING ME UKRAINIAN. HE IS SURE DOING A GOOD JOB CONVINCING ME HE'S NKVD. LET ME ROLE CLAIM TO HIM." Like come the fuck on. I'm going to restate it: Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 15:28 Elemenope wrote:
I'm going to have to call bullshit on this.
No one can possibly be so fucking moronic as to role claim to this guy. YOU CAN'T EVEN USE THE EXCUSE OF NOT READING THE THREAD SINCE HE HAD NO MENTION OF NKVD OR IMPLICATION OF SUCH IN THAT FUCKING PM. And somehow you protecting Ver makes Ver legit. Because mafia can't target other mafia. BECAUSE HE GOT SAVED TWICE! Because that second save is full of as much truth as that first save. OK BRB GOING TO ROLE CLAIM TO VER. How the fuck you're even still alive after night 2 if you truly did R/C to someone is beyond me since RoL could've had someone else kill you. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS, JUST FUCKING QUIT THE GAME. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 20:20 Shikyo wrote:
I don't get some things still. Elemenope, for example. Suggesting that everyone is scum? Could be a mafia ploy to cause confusion, or it could be a method to make people ignore you. But it could also just be for the sake of bragging that you were right in the case you were a townie. Not anywhere close. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 18:25 coltrane wrote:
We need info. Stop trolling the thread.
Funny, since the guy you guys seem to blindly trust is lacking in the whole giving the town information department. There has been quite many lulz going on in these 3 days, but it's more becoming of a facepalm as I see people blindly trusting others based upon word simply because they want an easy way out of thinking. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBT AND THINK, DON'T PLAY THE FUCKING GAME.
And I see no Elemenope in your ban list.
Oh, and this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=4933541
On April 01 2010 05:06 XeliN wrote:
It got to me more than I would care to admit but in my eyes he is a massive cunt for doing so and I'm not even religious
Though Xelin's on your banlist, he wasn't banned directly after this game.
FInally.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119295¤tpage=2#23
On April 13 2010 01:37 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of quick comments on the tone/language issue:
1. Dealing with dismissive language is a big part of the game. I have no problem with JeeJee now for example, despite all that was said during the last day of the WoW mafia game (including the lying cunt bit). Same thing with people doing it on purpose in any other mafia game - I understand what they did and think it was a good strategy after the fact. This is a good area to improve for me personally - I've generally been quite good at catching reds but often got sidetracked unnecessarily.
etc etc. Also:
On January 15 2011 15:05 Qatol wrote:
if you can't get away with a post anywhere else on TL
Do you want me to go through the whole site and look for every instance when FakeSteve said the word "cunt"?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=3398¤tpage=37#967
On February 20 2007 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
STOP BEING A CUNT KENNETH
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=23676¤tpage=26#513
On February 21 2005 09:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2005 09:27 Sw1tCh wrote:
Steve, cork your cry-hole. Dredg > you besides the fact that your taste in music is pathetic you're an abrasive cunt and i'm better than you at everything
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=93792¤tpage=14#264
On May 24 2009 17:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
last night at this italian place some drunk dumpy norwegian cunt assaulted nvnplatypus and i with her repulsive personality
Oh wait, since you quoted manifesto7, I can use the search too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71609#15
On May 18 2008 09:04 Manifesto7 wrote:
And we dont know why the stream died at first... it is just the software acting like a cunt
Point is, anyone can say words like that in the heat of the moment. You can't just make that the sole basis of a ban. You realize that I spent only -two- posts raging. The primary cause of the rage was because
1. flamewheel asked me to be more active
2. I became more active, and in the meantime became a lot more invested into the game
So. when I saw the whole town sheep repeatedly towards a player who did not play well, to put it lightly, I couldn't help but feel frustrated.
Did I spam the thread with this rage? No. You have to realize this - Immediately after I posted the two rages, I went right back into the game, like any good player would, and tried to get the town back on track. Any sidetracked posts after this were directly caused by the nonparticipating outsiders barging in and derailing the thread. EVEN THEN. I still tried to keep going, and did my best to convince Shockeyy inbetween answering the hornet's nest of... demeaning remarks.
I was called a fool and an egomaniac, and then my entire efforts for the past two days were dismissed by a MOD as crazy raving. How can anyone stay calm in such a situation?
Pandain, to whom I had directed the two posts of rage and thus is the one with the greatest say in my "punishment," does not want me to be banned (and this was through no request by me - you can ask a mod if you wish.) Further, even though the OP of the mafia I participated in clearly states that I will be given a warning before being modkilled, the hosts ignored this and immediately struck me out.
Please look at the situation objectively. I don't deserve a ban for this.
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1. elemenope's post was in a game hosted by Caller, and you already know that Caller doesn't follow the ban list, so his standards aren't reflected here. Beyond that, that game was played before the ban list was established.
2. xelin's post was in a game hosted by Ace, who notoriously has different posting standards than other hosts.
3. citi.zen's post was quoting something that JeeJee said in said game hosted by Ace.
The point is you played in a game hosted by Incognito and Flamewheel. They decide what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. They decided that your language was not acceptable. That is their prerogative. Heck, they even warned you in the OP that they have extra strict standards towards aggressive posting.
Disregarding the fact that you're taking the context away from those posts, Fakesteve is staff and gets away with stuff that you would not. Additionally, most of those posts are directed towards either Fakesteve's friends or inanimate objects (which won't be offended).
I can understand a little rage, but I still feel like you lost control and it had a negative effect on the game environment.
Regardless, what you are still failing to recognize is that I do not have the final say on this. This is just my opinion on the situation. Believe it or not, I do not make all of the decisions. In fact, I get overruled all of the time (look at the current poll in the OP if you don't believe me - I advocated 2 games). What really matters is how Incognito and Flamewheel feel and how everyone in this thread reacts to the situation.
I think it would be best for everyone if we just calm down and let this rest until Incognito and Flamewheel actually ask for a punishment.
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On January 15 2011 15:54 orgolove wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 15:05 Qatol wrote:but if you can't get away with a post anywhere else on TL, you can't get away with it here. If you're going to focus on the word "cunt" that much: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98457¤tpage=49#972long post. + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2009 00:34 Elemenope wrote:Ok, listen up cunts. Ver has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of giving us new information. All of it is just information ALREADY STATED. No one gives a fuck who found Clazz or who found Kuja. Fuck, if Kuja weren't such a dumbfuck and turned out to be townie, you guys would start crying because half of you already role claimed to Ver based on UNVERIFIABLE INFORMATION. Ver *still* hasn't posted these mafia names. And for what? "THEY'LL IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE!" Ok, gee. If it were *anybody* other than Ace, L, Ver, all you cunts would be saying "WE CAN'T TRUST HIM, RELEASE THESE NAMES." You guys are playing with Ver's balls so much. The only reason Ver can get away with this is because he's a big name. "Hey, let me write a long post and not explain anything new and rehash information while saying I also have new mafia names while not stating who these mafia are, even after they can't kill me or these people that would be compromised". Jesus fucking christ, how the fuck can you guys even role claim after nothing new was said. Ver brought *nothing new* to the table at all. He's giving us a "Hey, trust me, I have mafia, not going to say who, but trust me, I'm a big name". You guys are backwards like hell. Asking Ace to role claim based on his Clazziquai information, yet you guys blindly trust Ver based on his.....old information? At least Ace fucking did something to help the town so far. "OH BUT THEY'RE GOING TO RAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY" Jesus christ this is a fucking non-issue. It's 3 people max that can rally. Oh look at that, we have at least 2 vigs, and we have a lynch tomorrow. HOLY SHIT PROBLEM SOLVED. They can't get other people into their doomed 3 person circle as everybody else can be like "hey man, this is a long PM explaining why I'm mafia, trust me, everybody seems to do it" "BUT MY ASSOCIATES AND FRIENDS ETC ARE GOING TO DIIIIIIIIIE BY THESE MAFIA IF NAMES ARE RELEASED" So we trade 3 people for 3 mafia when they're already going to be down 4. So you think there's 20 mafia or something? They get no new information, no new rallying point. In comparison, we can get our own communication web set up based upon the veracity of your claims of these mafia which means coordination between remaining power roles unlike mafia, who are boned because of Kuja and going to be down 7 mafia by 4th night if you were to release these names. "BUT HE'S VER, HE DOESN'T NEED TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF" Right. Jesus christ, you guys are like fucking sheep every single goddamn game. Why you guys don't have the word 'doubt' in your vocabulary is beyond me. Moving on to a different subject: Motbob's roleclaim. This is so fucking far out there, I am seriously fucking doubting it. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 15:21 motbob wrote:
The mafia thought he still had me convinced he was NKVD. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 15:27 motbob wrote:
Well Ver has a good reason for keeping his mafias a secret, but I guess I don't. It's RebirthofLegend. Ok. Anybody who got the PM, which is everybody in the WHOLE MAFIA FORUM it seems since even fucking CALLER GOT THE PM, knows that it didn't REMOTELY IMPLY NKVD AT FUCKING ALL. Show nested quote +yo mannn I just used my role check today to check you, and you came back as a Ukrainian too, I was trying to figure out how Caller wrote clues and I guess I got it (or got lucky rofl) just PM me back so we can get this Ukrainian death machine rolling, the sooner we organized the better. If you don't want to PM me back yet, I suggest using your power and checking me too. I can surely see what is going on through medic motbob's mind: "OH SHIT, THIS GUY IS CLAIMING TO BE UKRAINIAN AND IS CALLING ME UKRAINIAN. HE IS SURE DOING A GOOD JOB CONVINCING ME HE'S NKVD. LET ME ROLE CLAIM TO HIM." Like come the fuck on. I'm going to restate it: Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 15:28 Elemenope wrote:
I'm going to have to call bullshit on this.
No one can possibly be so fucking moronic as to role claim to this guy. YOU CAN'T EVEN USE THE EXCUSE OF NOT READING THE THREAD SINCE HE HAD NO MENTION OF NKVD OR IMPLICATION OF SUCH IN THAT FUCKING PM. And somehow you protecting Ver makes Ver legit. Because mafia can't target other mafia. BECAUSE HE GOT SAVED TWICE! Because that second save is full of as much truth as that first save. OK BRB GOING TO ROLE CLAIM TO VER. How the fuck you're even still alive after night 2 if you truly did R/C to someone is beyond me since RoL could've had someone else kill you. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS, JUST FUCKING QUIT THE GAME. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 20:20 Shikyo wrote:
I don't get some things still. Elemenope, for example. Suggesting that everyone is scum? Could be a mafia ploy to cause confusion, or it could be a method to make people ignore you. But it could also just be for the sake of bragging that you were right in the case you were a townie. Not anywhere close. Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 18:25 coltrane wrote:
We need info. Stop trolling the thread.
Funny, since the guy you guys seem to blindly trust is lacking in the whole giving the town information department. There has been quite many lulz going on in these 3 days, but it's more becoming of a facepalm as I see people blindly trusting others based upon word simply because they want an easy way out of thinking. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBT AND THINK, DON'T PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. And I see no Elemenope in your ban list. Oh, and this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=4933541On April 01 2010 05:06 XeliN wrote:
It got to me more than I would care to admit but in my eyes he is a massive cunt for doing so and I'm not even religious Though Xelin's on your banlist, he wasn't banned directly after this game. FInally. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119295¤tpage=2#23On April 13 2010 01:37 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of quick comments on the tone/language issue:
1. Dealing with dismissive language is a big part of the game. I have no problem with JeeJee now for example, despite all that was said during the last day of the WoW mafia game (including the lying cunt bit). Same thing with people doing it on purpose in any other mafia game - I understand what they did and think it was a good strategy after the fact. This is a good area to improve for me personally - I've generally been quite good at catching reds but often got sidetracked unnecessarily. etc etc. Also: On January 15 2011 15:05 Qatol wrote:
if you can't get away with a post anywhere else on TL Do you want me to go through the whole site and look for every instance when FakeSteve said the word "cunt"? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=3398¤tpage=37#967On February 20 2007 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
STOP BEING A CUNT KENNETH http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=23676¤tpage=26#513On February 21 2005 09:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2005 09:27 Sw1tCh wrote:
Steve, cork your cry-hole. Dredg > you besides the fact that your taste in music is pathetic you're an abrasive cunt and i'm better than you at everything http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=93792¤tpage=14#264On May 24 2009 17:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
last night at this italian place some drunk dumpy norwegian cunt assaulted nvnplatypus and i with her repulsive personality Oh wait, since you quoted manifesto7, I can use the search too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71609#15On May 18 2008 09:04 Manifesto7 wrote:
And we dont know why the stream died at first... it is just the software acting like a cunt Point is, anyone can say words like that in the heat of the moment. You can't just make that the sole basis of a ban. You realize that I spent only -two- posts raging. The primary cause of the rage was because 1. flamewheel asked me to be more active 2. I became more active, and in the meantime became a lot more invested into the game So. when I saw the whole town sheep repeatedly towards a player who did not play well, to put it lightly, I couldn't help but feel frustrated. Did I spam the thread with this rage? No. You have to realize this - Immediately after I posted the two rages, I went right back into the game, like any good player would, and tried to get the town back on track. Any sidetracked posts after this were directly caused by the nonparticipating outsiders barging in and derailing the thread. EVEN THEN. I still tried to keep going, and did my best to convince Shockeyy inbetween answering the hornet's nest of... demeaning remarks. I was called a fool and an egomaniac, and then my entire efforts for the past two days were dismissed by a MOD as crazy raving. How can anyone stay calm in such a situation? Pandain, to whom I had directed the two posts of rage and thus is the one with the greatest say in my "punishment," does not want me to be banned (and this was through no request by me - you can ask a mod if you wish.) Further, even though the OP of the mafia I participated in clearly states that I will be given a warning before being modkilled, the hosts ignored this and immediately struck me out. Please look at the situation objectively. I don't deserve a ban for this.
No one called you a fool.
On January 14 2011 23:44 Fishball wrote:Not exactly game related. Edited after reading page 74. + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2011 15:22 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 15:09 Fishball wrote:On January 14 2011 15:08 Foolishness wrote:
I wish that my ego was so tainted that I had to resort to calling people cunts and dumbass just so I can repress the realization that there might be people on the "internet" who are superior in intelligence than me. Fools have no ego. I don't understand this shit. Pandain directly caused the lynch of a blue and three greens. And he's the direct cause of missing a lynch on a 100% clear red, and will most probably lead to town's loss. And yet, you're calling -me- a fool?. Huh? I was poking fun at Foolishness. I don't follow the thread, and I only read it when a Day/Night post is up. I don't think I would ever want to divert any of my attention to you orgolove. Who the hell calls another person a fool these days anyways.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 15 2011 16:24 Qatol wrote:
1. elemenope's post was in a game hosted by Caller, and you already know that Caller doesn't follow the ban list, so his standards aren't reflected here. Beyond that, that game was played before the ban list was established.
2. xelin's post was in a game hosted by Ace, who notoriously has different posting standards than other hosts.
3. citi.zen's post was quoting something that JeeJee said in said game hosted by Ace.
The point is you played in a game hosted by Incognito and Flamewheel. They decide what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. They decided that your language was not acceptable. That is their prerogative. Heck, they even warned you in the OP that they have extra strict standards towards aggressive posting.
Disregarding the fact that you're taking the context away from those posts, Fakesteve is staff and gets away with stuff that you would not. Additionally, most of those posts are directed towards either Fakesteve's friends or inanimate objects (which won't be offended).
I can understand a little rage, but I still feel like you lost control and it had a negative effect on the game environment.
Regardless, what you are still failing to recognize is that I do not have the final say on this. This is just my opinion on the situation. Believe it or not, I do not make all of the decisions. In fact, I get overruled all of the time (look at the current poll in the OP if you don't believe me - I advocated 2 games). What really matters is how Incognito and Flamewheel feel and how everyone in this thread reacts to the situation.
I think it would be best for everyone if we just calm down and let this rest until Incognito and Flamewheel actually ask for a punishment.
Actually. Flamewheel asked for me to be perma banned.On January 15 2011 12:04 flamewheel wrote:
In the own words, this seems to be a permanent ban. I'll be discussing this with Incognito later, but textwise this seems to be what all parties want.
I think you're ignoring most of what my post was about. First, that quote from citizen was to point out a reasonable approach to this level of trashtalking, and that a comparable level of rage was not deemed as so bad as to request a ban, in previous games.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119295¤tpage=2#23
On April 13 2010 01:37 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of quick comments on the tone/language issue:
1. Dealing with dismissive language is a big part of the game. I have no problem with JeeJee now for example, despite all that was said during the last day of the WoW mafia game (including the lying cunt bit). Same thing with people doing it on purpose in any other mafia game - I understand what they did and think it was a good strategy after the fact. This is a good area to improve for me personally - I've generally been quite good at catching reds but often got sidetracked unnecessarily.
The remaining quotes were just examples pointing out that anyone can say things like "cunt," which you took offense to, when pushed hard enough.
Look.
Flamewheel had asked me to be more active. So I began to pay a lot more attention and spent much more time and energy on the game than I would otherwise have, both because it was a personal request from a host and because it's the right thing to do for a mafia player.
The frustration, and the TWO rage posts that resulted from that, was just a byproduct of this increased emotional and intellectual investment into the game.
Again - I did not spam the thread with rage. I used a total of two posts, then returned immediately into game analysis. Any further comments after that in the thread were dealing with the comments from other people who just barged into the thread without being actually a player - and not just any comments, but personally demeaning comments.
Are two posts enough to have a "negative impact on the mafia environment" as a whole? You're giving a lot of credit to just two posts in a sea of threads with 1000's of posts...
Would you rather that players like me become inactive and not passionate about your games? Don't you think it's a bit draconian to be banning a player simply because of -two- rage posts, when he's otherwise been giving all his effort in trying to participate and make the game better?
If the point of a ban is, as you say, to make a better mafia environment, perhaps the person with the biggest say in this aren't the hosts, who after all, are third parties in the game, but rather the person who potentially experienced the greatest emotional distress as the target my -two- posts, Pandain.
And without any provcations from me (in fact, I haven't exchanged PMs or anything with him at all), he was one of the first ones to rise to my defense when I posted in this thread. (Thank you, by the way)
Moreover, you have to realize that, at least for the game I was a part of, the procedure would be to warn me for my -two- rage posts, then if I don't follow the warning, ban me. This wasn't followed through.
I hope you can see this.
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United States1966 Posts
On January 15 2011 15:48 TheMango wrote:Show nested quote +
And btw, if you were in my situation, and got a hornet's nest of players who got onto your case, including a MOD that called all your hours-long efforts nothing but crazed ranting, then I'm sure you would also feel like quitting, at least temporarily.
I don't see anything wrong with what I posted. Sorry you took it personally, but I feel what I wrote is well in the spirit and rules of the game. Especially since your analysis was totally off base and wrong You on the other hand, you took it way too far with your curse laden rant and your over the top replies to people criticizing you. At a certain point, you have to step back and realize this is just a game. There's no reason why you cant be both competitive and civil.
btw, I don't think you should be perma banned, but this should act as a last warning.
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Just take the ban and move on.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 15 2011 17:10 orgolove wrote:Actually. Flamewheel asked for me to be perma banned. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 12:04 flamewheel wrote:
In the own words, this seems to be a permanent ban. I'll be discussing this with Incognito later, but textwise this seems to be what all parties want.
I quoted.
Incognito's not going to be around for a few days:
Incognito
3:59:31 AM
since i wont be here, and qatol wants this resolved sooner rather than later i'll just say that orgolove is a problem case in the past
3:59:34 AM
read: insane mafia
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i have no idea what you pmed him, so I dont know the context of your "please post more" PM
4:00:58 AM
my feeling is that it doesnt matter whether he came back and posted a lot or not, that behavior is just unacceptable
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but its up to you
4:01:42 AM
if it were me i wouldn't invite him back to play in another game but if other hosts dont care im not going to oppose that
4:01:49 AM
i wouldn't play in a game wiht him, but whatever
Sleep, worry about this tomorrow.
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