yeah, I understand that possibility. But for that to happen, scum have to control both day vig and copycat, which aren't particularly strong roles on their own. Also, one mafia will be sacrificed (the day vig) in this plan, which is a steep price to pay even for a good role.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 19:58 GMT

#162

Doubling the KP isn't something to scoff at.

Also, it isn't that hard for the mafia to pick up the day vig and copycat.

All they have to do is just send in the PM to ace saying that they want the roles. As long as they pick up the copycat and the day vig before the assigned townie does, they got it.

Qatol

United States3165 Posts

January 04 2011 22:23 GMT

#163

I'm just going to say one thing about your plan and then leave you be: I think you're giving up too much information. If you have an assigned role selection list, you just gave the mafia/SK a 0% risk of role clashing. While giving everyone a role is a good thought, I think it is too easy for the mafia to control what they get and then take out the most important roles. Also, it is easy for them to avoid the defensive roles. I think you're giving up too much for what you're getting.

As for the Day Vig plan, it is solid. The way you do it is the Day Vig waits until there is 1 vote before majority. Then they vig and then hammer. That way the town still has a crapshoot day 1 lynch + they lose the KP role to a hidden copycat. I'm kinda sad people brought it up because I was hoping to use it at some point.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

January 04 2011 22:29 GMT

#164

Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

January 04 2011 22:40 GMT

#165

On January 05 2011 07:29 Ace wrote:
Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it.

Yup.

God help the town, especially if they have to deal with a traitor.

Pandain

United States12979 Posts

January 04 2011 22:43 GMT

#166

On January 05 2011 07:40 Ver wrote:

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Yup.

God help the town, especially if they have to deal with a traitor.

LOL
LSB I will <3 you if you pick traitor again.

"Wait....then whos CPR Doctor :O"

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

January 04 2011 23:13 GMT

#167

lol soul crushed LSB.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 23:23 GMT

#168

First of all, information isn't that bad. Let's take a look at Radfield's plan. In that game, the mafia basically knew the whole role list
This was the assigned role list
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#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD
#5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
#6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role
#9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
#10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.)
#15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other
#16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other
#17 50% role cop, 50% other
#18 50% Joat, 50% other
#19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other
#20 50% tracker, 50% other

Now lets make predictions on who will pick what. People will want to take the nice shiny role that others probably didn't take above them.
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#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 Town
#5 Role Cop
#6 Joat
#7 Bullet Bill
#8 Defensive role
#9 Defensive role
#10 Defensive role
#11 Doctor
#12 Doctor
#13 role of your choice
#14. Tracker
#15. Copy Cat
#16. Other
#17 other
#18 other
#19 other
#20 other

Changes between Predictions and Actual.
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#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Traitor
#4 Town
#5 Role Cop
#6 (Traitor) Town
#7 Vanilla Mafia (role cop)
#8 Bullet Bill
#9 Meth Man
#10 Tracker
#11 (Meth Man) Vanilla
#12 Doctor
#13 Copy Cat
#14. (Tracker) Vanilla
#15. Day Vig
#16. (Copy Cat) Vanilla Town
#17 Mason
#18 Watcher
#19 Martyr
#20 other

1. The traitors. This is expected as #3 and #6 switched
2. The Mafia. Mafia did a little switch up with #7 and #8.
3. Random townie's not picking what was predicted. This actually happened very little

Besides the traitor, and mafia jockeying roles around #7/#8. We see that the choices were suprisingly accurate

Now, what the mafia predicted at the start of night one
What the mafia probably predicted.
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#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 Town
#5 Role Cop
#6 Townie or Traitor
^^Traitor somewhere here

#7 Vanilla
#8 Bullet Bill
#9 Defensive role
#10 Defensive role
#11 Doctor
#12 Doctor
#13 role of your choice
#14 Tracker
#15 Day Vig
#16 Other
#17 Mason
#18 other
#19 other

They were only wrong about #10, and #11.

In fact basically the mafia had a perfect role list, just they don't really know what goes on at them end (where there was no important roles anyways)

Now what devastation did the mafia do with this near perfect role list?
Night 1: Hit the role cop.
Night 2: Hit the most vocal townie
Night 3: Hit a confirmed townie
Night 4: Hit a confirmed Doctor.

Remember, the mafia only has 1 KP a night, so even if they do know a perfect role list, it will take them a long time before they can actually do anything about it.

Incognito

United States2071 Posts

January 05 2011 00:06 GMT

#169

On January 05 2011 07:23 Qatol wrote:
I'm kinda sad people brought it up because I was hoping to use it at some point.

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

And LSB: Ace, Qatol, and Ver all disagree with you. That should tell you something.

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

January 05 2011 02:07 GMT

#170

I assume plan-creation will pick up more once alignment PMs are sent out, but until then we all agree that claiming numbers is a bad idea right?

HaploPaithan

United States100 Posts

January 05 2011 02:24 GMT

#171

I like the plan.
Edit: If people can't agree on a full list. I think we should at least be able to agree that we need to have a pick order for the most dangerous roles.

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

January 05 2011 03:21 GMT

#172

I want to see my alingment first before I agree/disagree with your plan LSB. :D

JimboSilvers

United Kingdom167 Posts

January 05 2011 03:33 GMT

#173

Gogogogo. Is this starting anytime soon?

Pigsquirrel

United States615 Posts

January 05 2011 03:57 GMT

#174

Do the empty spots on the sign-up list mean that those will be filled with replacements from the Queue?

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

January 05 2011 04:32 GMT

#175

Did LSB just assign a single role to every draft?...
That's even worse than Radfield's plan.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

January 05 2011 08:34 GMT

#176

On January 05 2011 12:57 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Do the empty spots on the sign-up list mean that those will be filled with replacements from the Queue?

Yea. Since no more people signed up I'm going to send out role PMs sometime tomorrow.