EPTTastosis feedback'd - Page 11
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DeLoAdEr
Japan527 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On November 25 2010 06:53 DeLoAdEr wrote: it would be nice if you could extract some additional information out of the completely unknown players (like this cyrano guy) before the games. (rts background, iccup high, sc1 clan/guild, courage league participations etc) That was something I liked about Jason Lee. Sure - he just read from the sheet he was provided (favourite unit, favourite matchup, ...). Afaik fomos does an interview with each player? (Which are translated here). Maybe the people say something interesting which could be mentioned in the pregame talk? I honestly doubt I am the only one who doesnt read every interview  I also really like when they mention that the player took someone "big" (or well known) out in the qualifier. | ||
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
On November 25 2010 06:47 PiousMartyr wrote: Not sure if he already does this, but I think Artosis should be watching the map and minimap much more closely, especially since his monitor isn't being shown. Since Artosis' screen isn't being shown, he should be jumping all over the map looking for drops, important tech, small battles and such. With two pairs of eyes they shouldn't both miss drops, tech switches etc. It might be suck to watch random parts of the map and not the main fights, but it's their job to provide us with accurate and entertaining commentary and having them both miss something they should've seen is frustrating to see. Yeah I'm curious as to the setup they have with their screens, if Artosis is solely watching his own monitor or is going back and forth between his and Tasteless' and thus helping Tasteless find events in the game. Getting smoother with the hotkeys is probably the #1 area to work on with obsing imo, because there's so much information to be yielded just by showing different tabs or switching effortlessly between player cameras (as opposed to the way he does it now which is to first select a player's unit before switching to that player's camera). Once he gets more comfortable with that he can incorporate the data from the tabs into his commentary (which he does already but again, room for improvement). | ||
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mvpAKAenvyME
Canada179 Posts
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zor.au
Australia270 Posts
On November 25 2010 00:38 90ti wrote: you mean sir steppes? I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Personally I'd like a Day9 Tasteless combo. pretty sure thats a joke/troll considering the video he linked! | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
Tasteless does need to be a bit more assertive with opinions of his own though, I think it'd be awesome if there was a bit more of a back and forth debate between them. | ||
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Cite
Australia251 Posts
- Artosis' is biased (repeated over the thread no real explanation its pretty blatantly obvious in zerg matches) *its not bad but at times it leads to just untrue things or them demeaning the other player - also both tasteless and artosis when they favor a player just overhype him to no end) - Tasteless needs to get some taste and start having opinions of his own (Though he has been doing it more its quite rudimentary repeated stuff like overlord creep on expos thats been over done by Artosis previous anyways) - We don't need to see the tiny fluctuating numbers (that we can barely read) on the income/apm tabs (Flip to em once say the number if you want to point it out then go back to prod tab) ^-- Going off that: Make the production tab your "go-back-to" tab no matter what and the first thing you press ingame should be D. ---- Tip to remember keys tasteless (Hah like he'd read this): they're binded to the the letter you'd most assosciate with the tab you want in most cases: I income, U units, M apm (not so much but close), and so on. Over all they're probably the best bet to commentary you could get (I have my reasons as to why others just don't do it but thats for another thread) | ||
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krew406
United States115 Posts
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loafmaster
United States203 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
There are some genuine flaws (maybe Artosis' bias from the Zerg PoV), but most of them just add to the overall colour of the casting archon. Tasteless is a very good observer, in my opinion, there are so few games where he misses anything huge and I think their system (with Artosis scanning his own screen for action and then informing Tasteless) is very solid. If I recall correctly, the games with Jason Lee commentating that Korean observer was horrible in comparison, and they missed huge things like a cloaked Banshee destroying an entire mineral line in one game.... (I hope someone else remembers this because I can't be bothered sourcing it). They do get a little repetitive (the amount of times I've heard Artosis describe Steppes of War as the map that Zergs like to tick off...) but given that some days they have up to 9 hours of casting, I don't blame them at all. | ||
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:20 loafmaster wrote: Wait why is gsl season 3 going to be our last for awhile? Did they announce that this would be the final season? I *thought* the next one started in Jan, since they're doing 6 next year among other tournaments. Although, don't quote me on that. My biggest complaint with Tastosis isn't really a stylistic one, but I wish they'd do some leg work for us statistically now that we've had 3 GSLs. I would like to know a win-loss percentage in general, and a break down vs each matchup. I like references to matches that occurred in prior GSLs since the histories show trends and give deeper insight into players thought processes. Right now, if I HAD to be critical, it just sort of seems like they show up to the studio maybe 30 minutes prior, look over the daily sheet, talk about it over a cup of coffee, and then start casting. As a paying customer, I would like to see them doing more work OFF the camera, and start bringing the viewers a polished, refined, and awesome cast, every single day, packed with tons of information and behind the scenes content. | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
- For those complaining about taking sides, this will happen no matter the game or sport. Commentators in sports that do not have personal relations with the players almost always take sides, and that's a fact. Don't believe me? Watch some NHL, NFL, NBA or almost anything really and you will notice the commentators will usually lean on one team or player more than the other. And remember tasteosis are friends and play with many of the players they cast, which makes it ever more probable to pick a side. - Everyone likes different things from commentators, pleasing everyone is impossible. - I would put money down saying both of these guys know more about the game and builds, etc than most of you every will. They have played at high levels for a long time, and have watched countless games. - It's hard not to call a premature GG and what not, when you see someone coming with a scary push or whatever the case may be, you think the same thing in your head. "OMG is this it?, etc" They, being commentators are supposed to say what they think about the game, it's their job to give their opinions and tell us/ analyze whats going on. - They are not analytical machines, they will make mistakes from time to time because they cannot telepathically read the players minds. - Yes, they do miss the occasional cancel or drop or w.e. but really! They are human, and in doing this for countless hours a day, shit happens. For my take on improvements they could make, it would only be to research the players a little more so we know more about the unknowns and less popular players. | ||
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:36 Rebornlife wrote: For all of you giving very negative criticism, I have a few things to say. - For those complaining about taking sides, this will happen no matter the game or sport. Commentators in sports that do not have personal relations with the players almost always take sides, and that's a fact. Don't believe me? Watch some NHL, NFL, NBA or almost anything really and you will notice the commentators will usually lean on one team or player more than the other. And remember tasteosis are friends and play with many of the players they cast, which makes it ever more probable to pick a side. - Everyone likes different things from commentators, pleasing everyone is impossible. - I would put money down saying both of these guys know more about the game and builds, etc than most of you every will. They have played at high levels for a long time, and have watched countless games. - It's hard not to call a premature GG and what not, when you see someone coming with a scary push or whatever the case may be, you think the same thing in your head. "OMG is this it?, etc" They, being commentators are supposed to say what they think about the game, it's their job to give their opinions and tell us/ analyze whats going on. - They are not analytical machines, they will make mistakes from time to time because they cannot telepathically read the players minds. - Yes, they do miss the occasional cancel or drop or w.e. but really! They are human, and in doing this for countless hours a day, shit happens. For my take on improvements they could make, it would only be to research the players a little more so we know more about the unknowns and less popular players. I don't understand the majority of your post. This is a thread about FEEDBACK for them. Are you suggesting that we're acting incorrectly by providing FEEDBACK to our favorite casting duo in a FEEDBACK thread? Again, I'd like to reiterate that this is a FEEDBACK THREAD in which players are invited to provide their FEEDBACK. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:36 Rebornlife wrote: For all of you giving very negative criticism, I have a few things to say. - For those complaining about taking sides, this will happen no matter the game or sport. Commentators in sports that do not have personal relations with the players almost always take sides, and that's a fact. Don't believe me? Watch some NHL, NFL, NBA or almost anything really and you will notice the commentators will usually lean on one team or player more than the other. And remember tasteosis are friends and play with many of the players they cast, which makes it ever more probable to pick a side. - Everyone likes different things from commentators, pleasing everyone is impossible. - I would put money down saying both of these guys know more about the game and builds, etc than most of you every will. They have played at high levels for a long time, and have watched countless games. - It's hard not to call a premature GG and what not, when you see someone coming with a scary push or whatever the case may be, you think the same thing in your head. "OMG is this it?, etc" They, being commentators are supposed to say what they think about the game, it's their job to give their opinions and tell us/ analyze whats going on. - They are not analytical machines, they will make mistakes from time to time because they cannot telepathically read the players minds. - Yes, they do miss the occasional cancel or drop or w.e. but really! They are human, and in doing this for countless hours a day, shit happens. For my take on improvements they could make, it would only be to research the players a little more so we know more about the unknowns and less popular players. I find the problem is that it's not occasional. The camerawork is very shoddy, it misses a ton of action and sometimes the camera is panned over empty space and it's really irritating when watching. | ||
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:51 kirkybaby wrote: I don't understand the majority of your post. This is a thread about FEEDBACK for them. Are you suggesting that we're acting incorrectly by providing FEEDBACK to our favorite casting duo in a FEEDBACK thread? Again, I'd like to reiterate that this is a FEEDBACK THREAD in which players are invited to provide their FEEDBACK. Then perhaps read what the other people have posted, then maybe you'll get it. And yeah I noticed it in the TITLE. There is a big difference between giving helpful feedback so they can provide us with a better cast, and making a big fuss over things which are either blown out of proportion or trolling saying "you suck, I want to mute you, learn the game, too many mistakes, etc" | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
On November 25 2010 10:10 dcberkeley wrote: I find the problem is that it's not occasional. The camerawork is very shoddy, it misses a ton of action and sometimes the camera is panned over empty space and it's really irritating when watching. After watching a few more VOD's in between posts, i'll say that you have a fair point, and that it should be improved. | ||
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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Falling
Canada11173 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:51 kirkybaby wrote: I don't understand the majority of your post. This is a thread about FEEDBACK for them. Are you suggesting that we're acting incorrectly by providing FEEDBACK to our favorite casting duo in a FEEDBACK thread? Again, I'd like to reiterate that this is a FEEDBACK THREAD in which players are invited to provide their FEEDBACK. I suppose the main scope of his post is that, sure give feedback. But some feedback stems out of legitimate mistakes that comes from being humans. So there definitely are things to improve upon and give feedback. However, it's no use if the feedback section consists of jumping down Tasteosis's throat if they make a slip up. | ||
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InRainbows
United States57 Posts
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