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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
On November 07 2010 13:16 Pandain wrote: Veldril is safe. Btw, KtheZ, you checked me and got Garbage collector, correct? Yes, I can confirm you are a garbage collector. Alignment still unsure, but MOST probably town. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On November 07 2010 13:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: EBWOP: Also I think we should vote double lynch again. I think tomorrow we are going to have a lot better candidates with our information and I don't want to hit a situation where we wish we had that extra KP. It is Day 5 and I don't think this will really go past day 7 at this rate. At least with the mafia KP still being 2+1. Murrayitis is most likely going to activate tomorrow or the day after. I think double lynching may leave us in a very tight situation. It might also be instrumental to town's survival, depending on the outcome of the Murrayitis. Very luck-based right now. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On November 07 2010 14:13 Nemesis wrote: He can scan the alignment of one person per night. Where you have been for the last 2 days?>.> obviously not reading the thread much  | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On November 07 2010 14:14 KtheZ wrote: Yes, I can confirm you are a garbage collector. Alignment still unsure, but MOST probably town. Except I'm actually Trash collector.... (unsure as to how much this means, just keep it in mind.) | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 29 2010 14:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So lemme get this straight. You set up a town council of five peope who role claim to you. Once elected you will immediately role claim yourself. I don't see how this works, are we supposed to trust that you're town? With all mayors we run the risk of electing a red but with your proposed town council it makes the damage ten times worse because you will know at least five blue roles (if you were mafia you could ensure no reds made it into your council in order to maxamize the number of blue roles learned). With no known dt (although I agree with the general assumption there are a couple) we have no way of confirming you are town once elected. Anyway because roles are unknown you could have one of your mafia cronies claim they checked you and you came up town (this could simultaneously clear you "dt"). I'm not saying you are mafia I just think your strategy is too dangerous right off the bat. I have no doubt a town circle will coalesce later but for now I'm sticking with either bum or pandain for mayor (still haven't made up my mind). Meapak reveals that he's not reading very well, and that (like Coag/Pandain) he doesn't trust fishball & bumatlarge because town circle. He even quotes Coag on this: On October 30 2010 03:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best: If you think agreeing with Coag on this topic is reason to suspect Pandain, it can also be applied to Meapak. On October 29 2010 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Perhaps they are both scum and bum announced so fast so that fish had time to prepare his statement and now bum backs out since fish is ready. DrH, in a rare moment of not thinking straight, makes an unexplainable theory. Even after DrH recants it, Meapak tries to justify the theory. It seems like he's trying to maintain that line of suspicion on bum and fishball (who are now both known blues), perhaps. On October 30 2010 05:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm unvoting Pandain, I originally voted for him as a safety net in case I couldn't post. Then I decided to leave my vote with him because I felt a bandwagon was forming around Fishball and I really don't feel safe with a mayor with that much power. Now I'm unvoting Pandain because a bandwagon has formed around him in a rather suprising manner, most people are simply saying they don't want to vote for fishball therefor they are voting for Pandain. As Dr. H pointed out this is pretty suspicious. Another thing I've noticed is that of the three candidates Pandain is campaigning the least, he's even gone so far as to support Fishball. I don't know what this means but it doesn't make me confident regarding Pandain's leadership, if he wants to be mayor he should be actively promoting himself. There's plenty of time to vote for mayor so I'm going to think long and hard about this. Dr. H is looking pretty good right now but I may go back to Pandain depending on how Dr. H's candidacy changes things. Meapak here displays a very vacillative attitude toward the mayoral lynch, going back and forth. Questions this post raises: Why did he vote for Pandain rather than himself as a placeholder? He tries to avoid Pandain because he's getting a bandwagon without campaigning seriously, but check this: On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor. Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor. Here he says he would rather have a lesser candidate for mayor, but in the previous post, a mere 4 hours before, he said Pandain was suspicious because he wasn't campaigning much. On October 31 2010 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My suspects would be Youngminii: scummy posting Kenpachi: stealth voting And I still have this lingering suspicion of bumatlarge and fishball, this is probably me just being paranoid but I feel like they are related somehow. Also youngminii supports fishball, and bumatlarge has a bandwagon that uses the same platform pandain did (the "I'm not fishball" platform). These are probably baseless and I'm just inexperienced but... They just make me nervous. Note: this post was made before Day 1 ended, back when YM had around 1 post. He plays the "I'm a nub though, so don't take my word for it" card, and iirc from Ver's mafia XXX analysis that's a scumtell. On October 31 2010 12:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Shit >_>... this makes me look really stupid at best and really red at worst. This is one post that raised a huge red flag in my head. The (I think) is something that isn't so much suspicious as a particle of speech. But the fact that Meapak finds fishball's inquiry so threatening, the fact that Meapak believes others will see him red so easily, is more than odd. On November 02 2010 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Could someone with experience please do an analysis of youngminii? I tried to start one but it's not working out very well, I don't even know how to format the damn thing . If anyone wants to do that I'll even link the posts that I find really scummy so you can see what has got me suspicious. Basically my points all boil down to his campaigning for an Aeres lynch, his refusal to answer our questions, his incessant arguing with/trolling of Pandain/infinitestory and his ignoring all the lynch votes for him. If you find things scummy, all you do is say why they're scummy. It's *possible*, and this is going out on a limb slightly, that Meapak wanted to see another analysis so he could find points to agree with rather than pushing the points himself. On November 03 2010 08:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm gonna take a real good look at bumatlarge right now, something feels really fishy. Oh and RIP fishball :'( I had just started to trust you. and here's his analysis: On November 03 2010 11:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: + Show Spoiler + Once this game is over I'm gonna find someone to teach me how to do analysis posts because I don't know how to quote everything I want to but I said I'd take a closer look at bumatlarge and I feel like I found some good stuff. Ive seen divine around that fucking lurker, feel free to bandwagon him. Divine voted for me as mayor  This is before and after the night post. Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected. I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. Maybe he hasn't been paying attention but Doc is definetly not a clearer townie And would it be selfish or scummy to ask for that vaccine if it hasnt already been dished out?  Role Fishing maybe? He makes a list of players and their actions but it's not really anything new, it feels like he's scum trying to act like town. He posts a lot of small, rather irelevent posts that make him look active but are actually pretty substanceless. Investigate me all the way, but i suggest if we have a PD to make sure i dont start spreading AIDS everywhere. My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me. Is this his power? Why haven't we heard more about it? It's been long enough for him to use it. He makes a couple apologies for being inactive I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. Here's his reason for voting for our dear mayor. I did not withdraw my candidacy, I merely stated that fishball's plan was similar to mine, and if alot of the town thought him the better candidate I would not have a problem, but after reading into it and stating my opinions, I still want to be mayor, because 1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening. 2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas. 3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red) Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working. Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it? This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions. Someone help me out, what does he mean by this post? He can make body guards? I am not in Fishball's circle. I have an ability to form a town circle of my choosing. I already choose my first person. I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on. It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him. Here's where he first talks about his role, a role easily faked by scum (like fishballs but fishball was proved innocent and I think that makes it even more likely the bum is lying). SHIT I have to go but I'm gonna post this anyway... I'll be back. That's not a very strong analysis, like others pointed out. He reaffirms not reading well (he doesn't know about bum's ability and still doesn't trust this.) Also, he thinks mafia can fake this role easily for some reason. That's very confusing, seeing as it's a fairly unique role. There's really not much here. On November 03 2010 13:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yes my analysis is extremely flawed so it'll be the last time I attempt it. However I feel like I have raised some good points, why is doc townier every day, why haven't you and doc discussed your new circle, at the very least we could give you medic protection if we could confirm it. To be honest, this is fair. On November 04 2010 15:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hot damn that took a lot of catching up, I like the idea of using DCs bombs so I'm going to vote for pandain. Over all it looks like we're heading in the right direction. I'll try to be more active tomorrow, I notice I'm on a couple of shit lists and I want to prove otherwise... although posting more may not help my one attempt at contribution didn't go well.You're on shit lists? Since when? A couple people said they might check your posts iirc. That doesn't mean you're even a suspect. But the fact that you think you're a suspect is, like I said before, unusual. On November 06 2010 08:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wtf just happened? I thought we were all going to vote for pandain? I get on this morning and everything's cool then I get back on and bam last minute voting. At least we got a mafia. Are we going to lynch pandain tomorrow? Did ANYONE get considerably more townie with this lynch? "At least we got a mafia"? Were we not going to get one by lynching Pandain, you think? Also, what do you mean if anyone got considerably more townie with the lynch? Overall, Meapak hasn't been reading closely, is suspicious of the wrong things, and is way too paranoid that others will consider him red. If you read Ver's XXX post-game analysis, that last one was one big flag Misder raised that the town missed on Day 1 (too worried about making himself look town before there is much reason to suspect him). I was reading Assassin in the Palace, and judging from that game, Meapak doesn't really think 1 step ahead. In that game, Meapak is almost certainly town/bodyguard, but he's a much more confident townie, and advances his own plans (bad as they may be?). | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 07 2010 09:21 Node wrote: If I had a direct answer, I would give it to you. I can only guess based on what I read on the day post. Judging by this, deconduo's final action was to switch NB and DocH. I've mentioned before that knowing who is going to die is a double-edged sword -- and that a bus driver role could potentially wreak havoc with it. Surprise, surprise. DocH is a much better pick to die than NB, so I'm honestly not surprised that this is the course of action the mafia took. NB, you ought to have gotten a PM if you were directly saved by a medic. At least, that's how it worked in Haunted Mafia. Did that happen? In any case, Amber[LighT] is due to die tonight. This is for the (2) +1 death? This has been guaranteed each night including the busdriving? I'm going to go ahead and vote for Pandain to check our DT and possibly another player. He should have died today anyway, so I see no reason why this shouldn't happen. I'm also voting for Hyperbola since I believe his apathy is very scummy. You don't want to participate? Feel the game is boring? Fine get lynched. It would be nice to know who else should be on the chopping block. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On November 07 2010 14:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'm going to go ahead and vote for Pandain to check our DT and possibly another player. He should have died today anyway, so I see no reason why this shouldn't happen. what do you mean, "Should have died today anyway." That's a horrible reason to lynch a blue, especially one as valuable as mine. I got extremely fortunate that there was a DT who could check me, and confirm me for who I am. As for "to check our DT" that's useless. Let's say KtheZ was sane: 1.Me and Infinite are red. Then for some inexplicable reasons mafia have two investigative roles(seriously?). 2.If he's insane, then you just lynched a valuable blue to confirm WHAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN. The other possibility is that KtheZ is red, but then lynching me won't do anything because he can just claim his check was consistent with his (in)sanity. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On November 07 2010 13:23 Nemesis wrote: Hyperbola has really been inactive this game. Here is DoctorH's analysis on hyperbola. It is not the most solid argument ever, but since we need to lynch two people for today, I will put my vote on him for now until someone else convinces me otherwise or I find a better target. + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2010 03:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Here's everyone who hasn't voted yet afaik: Lexpar Hyperbola Amber[LighT] Beneather Coagulation Hyperbola has been SUPER inactive this game, but isn't that off considering he ran for mayor on the basis of his great analysis and being a good player (rather than his role): A hostile defense and further claims that he is a good scumhunter with a keen eye. No leaks in the town circle? What town circle, considering as far as we know you can't PM? Odd post. He's called out on that later and then claims town could probably talk on irc but Artanis tells him nope. what is forgetforeverine? i don't remember anyone saying anything about this... Parrots the argument of distrust Coagulation was using that "Fishball is untrustworthy because he operates in secret circles/town circle. But, hyperbola, THE ENTIRE BASIS OF YOUR CAMPAIGN WAS ON CREATING A TOWN CIRCLE. Back to the "Vote pandain cause he's bad and we can tell if hes mafia ez" argument that coagulation used bit of a defense for youngminii. Coagulation attacked youngminii really hard. This doesn't clear hyperbola though, there are reasons why mafia might attack another mafia but the way coagulation did it was strangely intense. If Coagulation somehow flips blue I'd SERIOUSLY consider hyperbola. Hyperbola has been mostly pretty inactive and a lot of his posts are just saying things the town had already really been talking about. I figured a mafia would drop out of the race when Mayor was revealed to be vulnerable to rolechecks and the way with which hyperbola ran his campaign fits this profile. I'd consider him as a second lynch tomorrow. A very strong target if coag flips blue imo I'm considering Hyperbola as a first candidate for the lynch tonight because of Dr.H's analysis. This is especially true that Dr.H is confirmed to tell the truth the whole time. I still not so sure about lynching Pandain at this point. Lynching him would give us a lot of information if he turns out to be blue. At least it would show that he told the truth. However, the drawback is also very big since we would lose someone who could confirm alignments of each player. One thing I'm curious is about Kenpachi's power. He claimed that his power will be activated if we lynched a mafia, which we did. If it's possible, I would like to know a little bit more about it. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 07 2010 14:47 Veldril wrote: I'm considering Hyperbola as a first candidate for the lynch tonight because of Dr.H's analysis. This is especially true that Dr.H is confirmed to tell the truth the whole time. I still not so sure about lynching Pandain at this point. Lynching him would give us a lot of information if he turns out to be blue. At least it would show that he told the truth. However, the drawback is also very big since we would lose someone who could confirm alignments of each player. One thing I'm curious is about Kenpachi's power. He claimed that his power will be activated if we lynched a mafia, which we did. If it's possible, I would like to know a little bit more about it. You're wrong on that last point. he has to vote for the mafia who is lynched for it to work. Also, to those who are looking for a better candidate than Hyperbola, please read and consider my analysis on Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On November 07 2010 14:57 youngminii wrote: Pandain, there's a very real possibility that KtheZ is a paranoid DT. Either way, I'm not convinced, you could be the Godfather for all I know. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the paranoid DT is? | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 07 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote: Can anyone enlighten me as to what the paranoid DT is? a DT that always gets results that the target is mafia | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 07 2010 15:05 infinitestory wrote: a DT that always gets results that the target is mafia Or he could also not be a DT at all and has conveniently checked the two people who have claimed. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 07 2010 15:06 kitaman27 wrote: Or he could also not be a DT at all and has conveniently checked the two people who have claimed. this is a possibility as well | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On November 07 2010 14:57 youngminii wrote: Pandain, there's a very real possibility that KtheZ is a paranoid DT. Either way, I'm not convinced, you could be the Godfather for all I know. Well even if that is the case, it is very unlikely that Pandain is mafia then. His role has been confirmed eitherway(Trash Collector), and since it checks the alignment of one random person per night. It would be a useless role for mafia as mafia already knows everyone's alignment. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:11 Nemesis wrote: NB did you actually get a message that you were protected by medic or did you just assume that you were since you didn't die seeing as DrH was actually switch with someone(most likely you) by bus driver and died because of it? i have no clue... i did not receive any pm so it could be bus :D (i just check out what bus actually do @_@) are you supposed to receive a notice if medic save you? | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On November 07 2010 15:07 Nemesis wrote: Well even if that is the case, it is very unlikely that Pandain is mafia then. His role has been confirmed eitherway(Trash Collector), and since it checks the alignment of one random person per night. It would be a useless role for mafia as mafia already knows everyone's alignment. /facepalm That would be the ideal role, you realise Godfathers don't actually gain the abilities of the role they choose, right? | ||
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