EPTHahah, right they just happened to make a big fuss about the 14 day ban instead of the permanent ones. I know the article mentions by passing someone was banned permanently, but it appears likely he was banned for something else, assuming it's even true. Bear in mind this is a site that SELLS trainers.
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Hahah, right they just happened to make a big fuss about the 14 day ban instead of the permanent ones. I know the article mentions by passing someone was banned permanently, but it appears likely he was banned for something else, assuming it's even true. Bear in mind this is a site that SELLS trainers. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7767 Posts
That's none of their damn business what you do with your ccomputer in single player ffs! | ||
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RiotSpectre
United States163 Posts
Also, Blizzard is just acting within the terms of the EULA, which you virtually signed before playing the game. You got banned for breaking rules that were clearly presented to you from the beginning and I don't think you have any ground to stand on when you complain about it. And Half, the rules being violated here were not "arbitrary." If you check into a hotel and sign a contract to not do X, and then you go and do X anyway, then they have every right to kick you to the curb. It's the same deal with SC2. | ||
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omnigol
United States166 Posts
There is no good reason to ban people for cheating in single player. It's single player, no harm no foul. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:50 Biff The Understudy wrote: I'm hating Blizzard every day a bit more. That's none of their damn business what you do with your ccomputer in single player ffs! Luckily you can cheat all you want as long as you do it in offline mode instead of on b.net | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
And Half, the rules being violated here were not "arbitrary." If you check into a hotel and sign a contract to not do X, and then you go and do X anyway, then they have every right to kick you to the curb. It's the same deal with SC2. Only if the stipulation not to do X is reasonable and relevant. It is neither reasonable nor relevant to ban people for modifying the game while playing on single player mode. loves how the OP fails to mention that the bans are not permanent There are seven testimonies on that site stating they were perma banned for using trainers, and that they've never used hacks. While both of us can debate the validity of those claims until we're blue in the face, the point is, there is plenty of probable cause to believe that they were, and no refutations. | ||
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shynee
Canada180 Posts
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Cade)Flayer
United Kingdom279 Posts
Just like WC3 and SC there are tons of cheat codes Blizz have put in the game which you are free to use... | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
All the complaints are pretty hilarious, in my opinion. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:52 Half wrote: Only if the stipulation not to do X is reasonable and relevant. It is neither reasonable nor relevant to ban people for modifying the game while playing on single player mode. They were playing alone, but they were still online. Should cheating while playing custom games alone be allowed as well | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:38 floor exercise wrote: People should be allowed to do whatever they want with the game so long as it does not affect others. And no, achievements mean absolutely nothing. If you think they have an effect on multiplayer you are dumb. Cheating online = bad. Cheating on your own = why should I care? I know why Blizzard cares: money. It's because the cheaters fuck up the acheivment system. Cheating is cheating. I'm glad they got banned. Who the fuck cheats on single player though lol.. Regardless they should be banned. Blizzard shouldn't even have to warn people. I mean it is common sense. | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
“Having been in the cheating business for over 13 years now, I’ve learned that people cheat for many different reasons. Some people have time constraints and want to be able to experience the entire game, so they cheat through the most difficult parts in order to reach the end. Some people might be older or handicapped or simply not possess the fast-twitch reflexes of a 12 year old which seems to be a requirement of some games these days. Ultimately, cheats and trainers help game publishers and are the reason that companies other than Blizzard don't start throwing out bans for single player use. Who is more likely to purchase additional DLC and sequels to a game, someone frustrated half way through that cannot finish the game or someone that was able to enjoy all the game had to offer, albeit with the use of cheats?” Lol at the reasoning in this article. Two words CHEAT CODES. Sc2 has them, so use them. You dont need trainers. People just engage in these arguments because they like to argue about whats right/wrong and like to feel smart on the internet instead of looking at the underlying rationality of the entire situation. Oh and people will always take any opportunity to throw jabs at video game companies/blizzard | ||
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
Sure they don't have an effect on multiplayer, but who cares? It feels good to have them around. Those who are using hacks/cheats to exploit that are idiots, and should rightfully so be banned. And yes, it affects other players because why are they trying so hard to get those achievements when you could just use hacks/cheats? May not have merit in many eyes, but to them it is worth something and Blizzard is doing a good job of protecting the rights of those players who choose to play fairly. Is achievement grinding or non-mulitplayer achievements worth getting or is worth your time is a whole different issue, so please don't bring up stupid arguments like 'achievements are for losers' or 'it just wastes time'. People will do what they please, and to say what's dumb or not is discriminatory. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
I suspect that more people care about achievements than people who hack to get them. How is banning these hackers not a logical move? If you're going to hack a game, you'd better check if it's legal. It's not like you pressed a button on the menu screen and got hacks, you had to know what you were doing (or download shit from shady websites). Think about it this way. You're playing Street Fighter, and there's these little kids who really care about getting a high score. You only care about winning, but oh well, let them have their fun. And, then, one guy goes up and hacks the machine to display "1st: FUU 99999999". Does it really matter? Does the world end? No; but it takes away fun from a certain group of people. As the arcade owner, wouldn't you favor the high score kids over the hacker? | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
In short, the hackers got what they deserved. | ||
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ELESSAR
Bulgaria173 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:33 skyR wrote: There's already a thread on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159820 Why do some of you defend people that use trainers thinking they don't deserve a permanent ban? You do realize that the majority (probably all) the people that use trainers also use maphacks. This is just not true. I have used trainers and other single player cheats for various games including BW. Sometimes its damn fun to do so, but I have never ever cheated in a multiplayer game | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:38 floor exercise wrote: People should be allowed to do whatever they want with the game so long as it does not affect others. And no, achievements mean absolutely nothing. If you think they have an effect on multiplayer you are dumb. Cheating online = bad. Cheating on your own = why should I care? I know why Blizzard cares: money. I think there are a few issues regarding this... First of all (I could be wrong) but I think they are concerned that it affects achievements, which would be unfair to those who spent hours of their life trying to get "Aces High" or whatever achievement you want to throw out there. Another is that Blizzard has always been against third party modifications - I believe in the WC3 ToS any "Third party program" that was run during a game was considered cheating. This meant Banlist and Pickup Listchecker (popular things for dota). I think this is mainly a "slippery slope" argument. For example you let some people cheat, but you don't let other people cheat, where do you draw the line. Will this encourage cheating? Will it become a problem (if not already) and get out of control? What if people use single player to test their hacks for multiplayer (or use it as development grounds). Again, it's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? I think the bottom line is Blizzard is looking out for the community as a whole (in regards to cheating) and is trying to take a proactive approach that says "Hey, cheating is NOT okay." I support Blizzard on this issue. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:53 Cade)Flayer wrote: I just looked at the trainers on that cheats site and all the things they do can be achieved with the Blizzard cheats that are built into the game (which also disable achievements) so the only reason people would bother to use these trainers is to get achievement points. Just like WC3 and SC there are tons of cheat codes Blizz have put in the game which you are free to use... I replied to the last guy who said this and a mod pmed me saying I needed to say more then just "no". Instant Cooldowns, Unlock Research, Unlimited Credits, Minerals, Gas, Troops, Kill Enemy Resources, Reveal Map, Instant Build, Instant Units, God Mode, Super Damage, Unlimited Unit Energy, Heal Unit/Structures, Drain Unit/Structures, Add Kills, Save/Load Position (Teleport), Speed up/Slow Down Units, Increase/Decrease Fire Rate, Increase/Decrease Unit Range, Instant Control of Entire Map, Control Enemy Units, Increase/Decrease Mission Timer. Made exclusively for Cheat Happens. Really I don't see why I was pmed instead of the other guy who just didn't read lol. Clearly, the vast majority of trainers offer unique functions. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:52 Half wrote: Only if the stipulation not to do X is reasonable and relevant. It is neither reasonable nor relevant to ban people for modifying the game while playing on single player mode. There are seven testimonies on that site stating they were perma banned for using trainers, and that they've never used hacks. While both of us can debate the validity of those claims until we're blue in the face, the point is, there is plenty of probable cause to believe that they were, and no refutations. ar·bi·trar·y adj. 1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice. 2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary. 3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute: an arbitrary penalty. 4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator. It's in the ToS, you can draw a clear line from action to ban with reasons. Blizzard did not go "hey trailers ban". There was something specifically written in the ToS about it. So maybe you should learn the definition of your favorite word before throwing it out there so much? Are you the kind of guy who is going to smoke weed, get caught, and then use the "Oh that law is so stupid, weed isnt' harmfull at all" defense in court? Even though its a clear law, in your mind it's stupid so it doesnt apply to you? | ||
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