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Checkov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States11 Posts
October 11 2010 19:58 GMT
#61
Achievements are there so that the game has staying power. The reward and progressions system in games such as Modern Warfare and Starcraft 2 allow people to earn token rewards. Token rewards serves as positive reinforcement, which proves to be one of the more successful tools to reinforce behavior.
I'd tell him to shrug
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:01:10
October 11 2010 20:00 GMT
#62
Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable.


ar·bi·trar·y
adj.
1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice.
2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary.
3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute: an arbitrary penalty.
4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator.

Its in the ToS, you can draw a clear line from action to ban with reasons. Blizzard did not go "hey trailers ban". There was something clearly written in the ToS about it. So maybe you should learn the definition of your favorite word before throwing it out there so much?


Do you want to argue why removing a customers access to a service he purchases for local cheat codes for local use is not 1) 2) and 4)? Your definition of arbitrary just further reinforces my points.
Too Busy to Troll!
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
October 11 2010 20:01 GMT
#63
On October 12 2010 04:56 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 04:53 Cade)Flayer wrote:
I just looked at the trainers on that cheats site and all the things they do can be achieved with the Blizzard cheats that are built into the game (which also disable achievements) so the only reason people would bother to use these trainers is to get achievement points.

Just like WC3 and SC there are tons of cheat codes Blizz have put in the game which you are free to use...


I replied to the last guy who said this and a mod pmed me saying I needed to say more then just "no".
Show nested quote +


Instant Cooldowns, Unlock Research, Unlimited Credits, Minerals, Gas, Troops, Kill Enemy Resources, Reveal Map, Instant Build, Instant Units, God Mode, Super Damage, Unlimited Unit Energy, Heal Unit/Structures, Drain Unit/Structures, Add Kills, Save/Load Position (Teleport), Speed up/Slow Down Units, Increase/Decrease Fire Rate, Increase/Decrease Unit Range, Instant Control of Entire Map, Control Enemy Units, Increase/Decrease Mission Timer. Made exclusively for Cheat Happens.


Really I don't see why I was pmed instead of the other guy who just didn't read lol. Clearly, the vast majority of trainers offer unique functions.

do people really need that many cheats in order to "train"?
you could've just made a custom map like this

and why do i get the feeling that you were someone who used this trainer
DJ Roomba
Profile Joined October 2010
158 Posts
October 11 2010 20:01 GMT
#64
I wonder if they will ban people for using someone's save file to get the Kerrigan portrait/achievement points. :O
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
October 11 2010 20:01 GMT
#65
On October 12 2010 05:00 Half wrote:
Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable.



even worse.

Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
October 11 2010 20:02 GMT
#66
so what does a 'trainer' mean? a computer bot to play against for practice? I don't understand how that could help you in single-player campaign achievements or harm multiplay, and the blizzard bots are ridiculous.
Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:03:50
October 11 2010 20:02 GMT
#67
EDIT: nvm I dont care lol
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:03:28
October 11 2010 20:02 GMT
#68
On October 12 2010 05:01 awu25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 04:56 Half wrote:
On October 12 2010 04:53 Cade)Flayer wrote:
I just looked at the trainers on that cheats site and all the things they do can be achieved with the Blizzard cheats that are built into the game (which also disable achievements) so the only reason people would bother to use these trainers is to get achievement points.

Just like WC3 and SC there are tons of cheat codes Blizz have put in the game which you are free to use...


I replied to the last guy who said this and a mod pmed me saying I needed to say more then just "no".


Instant Cooldowns, Unlock Research, Unlimited Credits, Minerals, Gas, Troops, Kill Enemy Resources, Reveal Map, Instant Build, Instant Units, God Mode, Super Damage, Unlimited Unit Energy, Heal Unit/Structures, Drain Unit/Structures, Add Kills, Save/Load Position (Teleport), Speed up/Slow Down Units, Increase/Decrease Fire Rate, Increase/Decrease Unit Range, Instant Control of Entire Map, Control Enemy Units, Increase/Decrease Mission Timer. Made exclusively for Cheat Happens.


Really I don't see why I was pmed instead of the other guy who just didn't read lol. Clearly, the vast majority of trainers offer unique functions.

do people really need that many cheats in order to "train"?
you could've just made a custom map like this

and why do i get the feeling that you were someone who used this trainer


Haha, I'm Diamond 1300 (not that it matters, but at least it shows I don't suck right) and have acquired every single campaign achievement without trainers. I also own the CE edition of the game.




even worse.


Local custom games, they don't work online.
Too Busy to Troll!
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:05:33
October 11 2010 20:02 GMT
#69
On October 12 2010 05:00 Half wrote:
Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable.

Show nested quote +

ar·bi·trar·y
adj.
1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice.
2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary.
3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute: an arbitrary penalty.
4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator.

Its in the ToS, you can draw a clear line from action to ban with reasons. Blizzard did not go "hey trailers ban". There was something clearly written in the ToS about it. So maybe you should learn the definition of your favorite word before throwing it out there so much?


Do you want to argue why removing a customers access to a service he purchases for local cheat codes for local use is not 1) 2) and 4)? Your definition of arbitrary just further reinforces my points.

See that earlier post ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928&currentpage=3#60 ), it is edited with reasons why it is not arbitrary. If that does not make it clear to you, then you might have reading comprehension issues or have a very skewed system of how contracts work.

Please actually read:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928#5
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928&currentpage=2#25
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928&currentpage=3#60
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
Gecko
Profile Joined August 2010
United States519 Posts
October 11 2010 20:03 GMT
#70
I don't understand why you would want to cheat in single player, you don't get the satisfaction for defeating the game.
viraltouch
Profile Joined July 2010
United States299 Posts
October 11 2010 20:05 GMT
#71
haha seide you are such a troll. see you in a diff thread doing the same shiet
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:07:13
October 11 2010 20:05 GMT
#72
On October 12 2010 05:02 Seide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 05:00 Half wrote:
Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable.


ar·bi·trar·y
adj.
1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice.
2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary.
3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute: an arbitrary penalty.
4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator.

Its in the ToS, you can draw a clear line from action to ban with reasons. Blizzard did not go "hey trailers ban". There was something clearly written in the ToS about it. So maybe you should learn the definition of your favorite word before throwing it out there so much?


Do you want to argue why removing a customers access to a service he purchases for local cheat codes for local use is not 1) 2) and 4)? Your definition of arbitrary just further reinforces my points.

See that earlier post, it is edited with reasons why it is not arbitrary. If that does not make it clear to you, then you might have reading comprehension issues.


The existence of any kind of correlative connection doesn't make it less arbitrary, according to your own definition lol. For instance, 2) shows clear connection, but is still entirely arbitrary.

Moreover, if laws are arbitrary, that may suck, but the entire point is companies should not have the same power as the fucking state. We're not debating the legitimacy of a law here, we're debating the legality of company policy.
Too Busy to Troll!
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:11:19
October 11 2010 20:06 GMT
#73
On October 12 2010 05:05 viraltouch wrote:
haha seide you are such a troll. see you in a diff thread doing the same shiet

You mean actually arguing with a basis and well written responses? If that is trolling, then what kind of world do we live in.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
snakeyes
Profile Joined September 2010
25 Posts
October 11 2010 20:06 GMT
#74
Cheating on the single player campaign will allow players to gain achievements with no real time expense. Other people spend a very large amount of time into these achievements. So for hackers to get these free points is not something we need to have happen. If your arguement is that they just want to see the harder content, well Blizzard has in-game cheat codes that allow you to do just that.

And there was a warning. Blizzard posted on September 14th

Blizzard Entertainment has always taken cheating in any form in Blizzard games very seriously, and that's no different for StarCraft II. If a StarCraft II player is found to be cheating or using hacks or modifications in any form, then as outlined in our end user license agreement, that player can be permanently banned from the game. This means that the player will be permanently unable to log in to Battle.net to play StarCraft II with his or her account.

Playing StarCraft II legitimately means playing with an unaltered game client. Doing otherwise violates our policies for Battle.net, and it goes against the spirit of fair play that all of our games are based on. We strongly recommend that you avoid using any hacks, cheats, or exploits. Suspensions and bans of players that have used or start using cheats and hacks will begin in the near future.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/809157#blog


This is pretty much a catch all for hacking. It does not say multiplayer hacks. It says anything that alters the game files. DOn't hack and don't use anything to help you in the game and you will be just fine.
Champ24
Profile Joined August 2010
177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:10:18
October 11 2010 20:07 GMT
#75
I personally would have given a warning before thrown down the ban hammer...but that's just me.

Edit:snakeyes post makes my point irrelevant. They were warned.
BulldogBCN
Profile Joined October 2010
Spain50 Posts
October 11 2010 20:08 GMT
#76
On October 12 2010 04 Half wrote:
Starcraft 2 is a service. Similar any variety of services. Indeed, most services maintain the right to physical kick you out if you're behaving in a way that detriments other consumers, or the ability of the company to function. However, they cannot arbitrarily kick you out, even if that arbitrary reason was outlined on the TOS.


but what's arbitrary or not is open to interpretation. in your opinion it's arbitrary, in blizzard's opinion it's not. now what? i guess in the worst case scenario a judge would have to decide if it is arbitrary or not.
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:10:17
October 11 2010 20:08 GMT
#77
On October 12 2010 05:05 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 05:02 Seide wrote:
On October 12 2010 05:00 Half wrote:
Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable.


ar·bi·trar·y
adj.
1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice.
2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary.
3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute: an arbitrary penalty.
4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator.

Its in the ToS, you can draw a clear line from action to ban with reasons. Blizzard did not go "hey trailers ban". There was something clearly written in the ToS about it. So maybe you should learn the definition of your favorite word before throwing it out there so much?


Do you want to argue why removing a customers access to a service he purchases for local cheat codes for local use is not 1) 2) and 4)? Your definition of arbitrary just further reinforces my points.

See that earlier post, it is edited with reasons why it is not arbitrary. If that does not make it clear to you, then you might have reading comprehension issues.


The existence of any kind of correlative connection doesn't make it less arbitrary, according to your own definition lol. For instance, 2) shows clear connection, but is still entirely arbitrary.

Moreover, if laws are arbitrary, that may suck, but the entire point is companies should not have the same power as the fucking state. Is that a hard concept?

A state forces their laws upon you, your only choice is to really move. Software: you bought the product and installed it, you had a choice whether to accept the terms they laid out for you.

Since you did you accepted that you will not modify your client, and if you did you run the risk of getting banned.

Individual buys product, sees terms -> Acceptance of these terms makes terms no longer arbitrary -> individual breaks terms -> individual gets banned as outlined in terms.

What is so hard to understand?
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 11 2010 20:08 GMT
#78
I feel like a spear of ice has be lunged into my chest.

Blizzard has become a dark shadow of what it once were.

Soon they will ban you because you typed holy shit.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:15:36
October 11 2010 20:09 GMT
#79
And there was a warning. Blizzard posted on September 14th

Blizzard Entertainment has always taken cheating in any form in Blizzard games very seriously, and that's no different for StarCraft II. If a StarCraft II player is found to be cheating or using hacks or modifications in any form, then as outlined in our end user license agreement, that player can be permanently banned from the game. This means that the player will be permanently unable to log in to Battle.net to play StarCraft II with his or her account.

Playing StarCraft II legitimately means playing with an unaltered game client. Doing otherwise violates our policies for Battle.net, and it goes against the spirit of fair play that all of our games are based on. We strongly recommend that you avoid using any hacks, cheats, or exploits. Suspensions and bans of players that have used or start using cheats and hacks will begin in the near future.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/809157#blog


It is indeed a catch all. There are several more catch-alls in past TOS's that were, in reality, never enforced, because blizzard felt they lacked the public support to take these cases to trial. Just because a company proclaims something, doesn't mean its so, surprisingly enough.

And indeed, if these were followed to the letter, the Diablo 2 modding scene would never have developed.

http://modsbylaz.hugelaser.com/
http://homepage3.nifty.com/miyoshino/es/es3top.htm


A state forces their laws upon you, your only choice is to really move. Software: you bought the product and installed it, you ahd a choice whether to accept the terms they laid out for you.
Since you did you accepted that you will not modify your client, and if you did you run the risk of getting banned.


Caveat emptor huh? The good ol motto of stooges everywhere. Please, explain the legal and ethical justification of a buyer beware policy on digital consumption to me then.
Too Busy to Troll!
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:12:14
October 11 2010 20:09 GMT
#80
On October 12 2010 05:02 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 05:01 awu25 wrote:
On October 12 2010 04:56 Half wrote:
On October 12 2010 04:53 Cade)Flayer wrote:
I just looked at the trainers on that cheats site and all the things they do can be achieved with the Blizzard cheats that are built into the game (which also disable achievements) so the only reason people would bother to use these trainers is to get achievement points.

Just like WC3 and SC there are tons of cheat codes Blizz have put in the game which you are free to use...


I replied to the last guy who said this and a mod pmed me saying I needed to say more then just "no".


Instant Cooldowns, Unlock Research, Unlimited Credits, Minerals, Gas, Troops, Kill Enemy Resources, Reveal Map, Instant Build, Instant Units, God Mode, Super Damage, Unlimited Unit Energy, Heal Unit/Structures, Drain Unit/Structures, Add Kills, Save/Load Position (Teleport), Speed up/Slow Down Units, Increase/Decrease Fire Rate, Increase/Decrease Unit Range, Instant Control of Entire Map, Control Enemy Units, Increase/Decrease Mission Timer. Made exclusively for Cheat Happens.


Really I don't see why I was pmed instead of the other guy who just didn't read lol. Clearly, the vast majority of trainers offer unique functions.

do people really need that many cheats in order to "train"?
you could've just made a custom map like this

and why do i get the feeling that you were someone who used this trainer


Haha, I'm Diamond 1300 (not that it matters, but at least it shows I don't suck right) and have acquired every single campaign achievement without trainers. I also own the CE edition of the game.

Show nested quote +



even worse.


Local custom games, they don't work online.


what is a local custom game in sc2? u mean the VS AI where you can get the AI/FFA achievements?
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