EPTA Case Study: Med School is the Easy Part - Page 2
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Sleight
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Number41
United States130 Posts
Your English sucks. Good luck with your "EMT First, Doctor Later Career." | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On September 13 2010 15:21 Number41 wrote: BS Detector is going off like crazy. Your English sucks. Good luck with your "EMT First, Doctor Later Career." Hahahah. I am so confused. Why is my English poor? And what is wrong with being an EMT? I am confused by this. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
Medicine is about problem solving and working with people. If you can't memorize the facts, you have no toolset to work with. Anyway, most American doctors these days aren't the best trained. The lovely legal system has killed the tradition of the capable clinician, who wasn't overly reliant on scans. "It's interesting that you mention the US/Canada divide. In Canada, once you're in med school there's almost 0% chance of failing out. The schools want each student to succeed and do well. There's more an air of collegiality than competition. Once you match to a residency, this trend continues. I hear in the US that there's competition throughout your education - there are yearly tests that weed people out and residencies hire more people than graduation spots. It doesn't sound like a fun environment " Forget that. Boards. Any one really want to be a family practictioner? | ||
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Number41
United States130 Posts
On September 13 2010 15:23 Sleight wrote: Hahahah. I am so confused. Why is my English poor? And what is wrong with being an EMT? I am confused by this. Your writing is self-serving; and your grammar is average at best. That you don't understand your deficiencies indicates you are not pre-med material. You might be an EMT. But EMT to smarter than dudes at MIT, Harvard and Stanford is a bit of a stretch. Point out at least 10 simple errors in your writing and I will begin to consider your tall tale. BTW - Tell your buddy "News" thanks for the very bad manner PM. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
however, i dont think grammar is a good litmus for proficiency in english, since this is an online blog and he may have written it quickly and carelessly | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On September 13 2010 17:37 Number41 wrote: Your writing is self-serving; and your grammar is average at best. That you don't understand your deficiencies indicates you are not pre-med material. You might be an EMT. But EMT to smarter than dudes at MIT, Harvard and Stanford is a bit of a stretch. Point out at least 10 simple errors in your writing and I will begin to consider your tall tale. BTW - Tell your buddy "News" thanks for the very bad manner PM. I don't know anything about a PM or who News it. Also... you clearly haven't had any real interaction with the top schools. And I didn't say I was smarter, I said I graduated ahead of them. I then followed it by saying, it is fitting that they are at MIT, for example, because THEY are brilliant. Not me. You want to make this a pissing contest but it isn't. And as someone who clearly does NOT go to one of those schools, I am not particularly concerned that you 'doubt it's even possible.' You pretty clearly never got their yourself. So I've got some bad news for you... they are just schools. Their kids are no smarter than anywhere else. Their opportunities are just better. Also, grammatically, my writing is fine. There isn't supposed to be a point. It is just my story. You can try to get all bitchy about that kind of thing, but I'm sorry. That's just how my life went. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
On September 13 2010 09:37 Hikko wrote: There's nothing witty to say, a very insightful post  I'm just starting College, and I'm 95% sure I want to stick with Computer Science. I think a lot of people think too much about the money they'll be making (granted, being a ditch digger because you like it isn't going to work out in the long run), or have unrealistic goals (wanting to be a professional sports player when they aren't THAT good), instead of focusing on something they can do for the rest of their lives while still feeling happy about it. My question, like one of the above questions: do you feel this way about ever medical field, or just the MD route? Also if you know, what are the requirements of Nursing compared to EMT work as far as education? Thank you for your post! How can you be so ignorant? You can do anything that you want. You don't even have to work for money. In fact, working for money is the worst way to make money. You should probably get a mentor if you really want to be happy. | ||
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SkyLegenD
United States304 Posts
On September 13 2010 14:12 LosingID8 wrote: if you go into medicine with solely dreams of $$$ you are wasting your time. The typical rhetoric of "helping the needy" is total bullshit. No one would go through hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and a huge sacrifice of time in their twenties just so they can "contribute to society." If the pay scale for MDs were not this high, you would see no applications to med schools. Anyway, I see that you took the MCAT two days ago. How was it? EDIT: spelling | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:07 SkyLegenD wrote: The typical rhetoric of "helping the needy" is total bullshit. No one would go through hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and a huge sacrifice of time in their twenties just so they can "contribute to society." If the pay scale for MDs were not this high, you would see no applications to med schools. Anyway, I see that you took the MCAT two days ago. How was it? EDIT: spelling Woah, Sky, you must be a doctor already. How is it? Do you enjoy the paycheck? Wait... Something tells me you aren't. So if you actually do the math... almost every graduate school requiring science profession pays off faster than an M.D. IN FACT, up until recently, someone who went to work straight after his bachelor's at the median U.S. salary would have made more money than a doctor until into their early to mid 30s. I am glad you already know these things, so you can tell us how being a doctor, the least lucrative profession by median salary per year of study when compared to the most popular graduate degrees outsides of the arts is all about the money. Enlighten all of us. Tell us how we only do it for the money that won't get us out of debt until our late 30s to early 40s. Tell us all about it, doc. I live below the poverty line right now. Actually on less than 10k per year. Do you think that as soon as I get my MD, I can all of sudden prescribe antibiotics for undergraduate and graduate school debt? Will someone come give me a house and a car and all that stuff? | ||
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SkyLegenD
United States304 Posts
On September 14 2010 11:11 Sleight wrote: Woah, Sky, you must be a doctor already. How is it? Do you enjoy the paycheck? Wait... Something tells me you aren't. So if you actually do the math... almost every graduate school requiring science profession pays off faster than an M.D. IN FACT, up until recently, someone who went to work straight after his bachelor's at the median U.S. salary would have made more money than a doctor until into their early to mid 30s. I am glad you already know these things, so you can tell us how being a doctor, the least lucrative profession by median salary per year of study when compared to the most popular graduate degrees outsides of the arts is all about the money. Enlighten all of us. Tell us how we only do it for the money that won't get us out of debt until our late 30s to early 40s. Tell us all about it, doc. I live below the poverty line right now. Actually on less than 10k per year. Do you think that as soon as I get my MD, I can all of sudden prescribe antibiotics for undergraduate and graduate school debt? Will someone come give me a house and a car and all that stuff? Oh my god. a medical student is going to be in debt until his or her "late 30s to early 40s." I never knew the US life expectancy rate was only that long. And I certainly didn't know that a person could not enjoy his life until he is debt-free. http://www.cnbc.com/id/37151785http://www.cnbc.com/id/37151785 Outside of health care, the only job that cracked the top ten was chief executive, with an average salary of $167,280 last year. Tell me where you got your source as "the least lucrative profession by median salary per year of study" You're living on less than 10K per year. Boo hoo. As soon as you finish medical school and residency you'll be making a minimum of 175K, just as a general practitioner. No one is saying you are entitled to a Porsche and a mansion in a wealthy New York suburb. However, the doctor is one of the safest and most secure jobs anyone can have; you be able to pay your debt off, raise a family (if that's what you desire) and live the good life. This is obviously quite a waste of time for me to tell you all this. And let's do some simple math: Let's just say a first-year science profession pays 100K (highly unlikely in today's economy). He graduated at 25 and earns 1 Mil by 35. The poor, "I wanna be a doctor to serve humanity" medical student just finished his specialist as... let's say a dermatologist at 35. He starts off with $0, but will earn a median salary of 237K per year. And let's say the science profession graduate student had his salary rise to 137K, just to make it fair to do the math (again, that's an enormous pay increase). The MD will equal his earnings around 10 years, and double it around 20. He will be 55. The average male life expectancy rate is 78. Wow. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
Do you understand what the interest on 250K+ is? You realize that you end up having to pay twice that off even if you live alone like a pauper and bust your ass throwing all your extra money into it. So knock off half a million, to be fair. Do you math again. So all of a sudden you are looking at an extra 4-5 years to equal both professions, if the guy is in derm. How about if he a general practitioner? Try that math again, son. See what happens. What if you do any time volunteering or working at lower than average salary for any kind of equal access program? What good is all the money in the world at age 65? You are retire then. You don't work until you are 78. Congrats you will make almost 2.5 million over your life. Hope you don't mind that most of that accessible income is in your last 20-30 years when you will be struggling to keep an erection and then later to remember if you put your pants on the right way. Meanwhile, the comparable science grad has been debt free within 2-4 years of graduation, has always worked fewer hours, and has his income distributed evenly across his life span. You clearly failed pretty hard and getting into medicine and are now convinced it is only for money grubbers. Don't worry. I'll be burning the little money I have for warmth just so people like you suffer in psychic agony that we don't actually give a shit about it. | ||
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
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Lurgee
Australia252 Posts
@ Med for money argument; it's absurd. Dentistry is less competitive with better pay all through your career. If you only want money, it's clearly the optimal health profession to practice. I know many people who choose to pursue medicine for the prestige, and I guess that is an understandable advantage over dentistry, but really does reflect incredible vanity in an individual. | ||
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dthree
Australia150 Posts
I find the material really engaging and stimulating and its taught in a way that the memorising helps to further your understanding of many concepts (although can be mundane at times). I also have clinical sessions and those are even more awesome! Yeah i guess since im only 50k in debt when i graduate (no interest btw) and will more than make that back first year working its good not to have that as a stressor. Maybe everyone is different, i wanted to be a surgeon longer than i can remember and now that i am actually working towards a foreseeable goal rather than a dream i couldn't be happier. Hope you get your stuff sorted out. | ||
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SkyLegenD
United States304 Posts
On September 14 2010 13:10 Sleight wrote: It was late 30s early 40s to pay off the debt, and now you changed the age to 65. Congratulations on disrupting your own data to prove your useless point. You do realize that the average med student enters with over 60K in debt already... and that he will accrue an additional 200K by the end of his 4 years? Do you understand what the interest on 250K+ is? You realize that you end up having to pay twice that off even if you live alone like a pauper and bust your ass throwing all your extra money into it. So knock off half a million, to be fair. Do you math again. So all of a sudden you are looking at an extra 4-5 years to equal both professions, if the guy is in derm. How about if he a general practitioner? Try that math again, son. See what happens. What if you do any time volunteering or working at lower than average salary for any kind of equal access program? What good is all the money in the world at age 65? You are retire then. You don't work until you are 78. Congrats you will make almost 2.5 million over your life. Hope you don't mind that most of that accessible income is in your last 20-30 years when you will be struggling to keep an erection and then later to remember if you put your pants on the right way. Meanwhile, the comparable science grad has been debt free within 2-4 years of graduation, has always worked fewer hours, and has his income distributed evenly across his life span. You clearly failed pretty hard and getting into medicine and are now convinced it is only for money grubbers. Don't worry. I'll be burning the little money I have for warmth just so people like you suffer in psychic agony that we don't actually give a shit about it. And your statement that a medical student will graduate with 250K in debt just shows no one in their right mind would practice medicine solely because he wants to help the needy. There are so many other careers out there that will promise the same thing. Oh wait, those salaries are only a fifth of what a doctor earns. No wonder you didn't pick those. And the assumption you make that I "clearly failed pretty hard and getting into medicine (what kind of bull grammar is this? I have great doubts that you are not a med student )" proves you can't come up with a good defense for why doctors don't do it for the money. Keep throwing those ad hominems around while every decently intellect on TL laughs behind his computer screen in your failed argument. | ||
LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On September 14 2010 20:13 SkyLegenD wrote: It was late 30s early 40s to pay off the debt, and now you changed the age to 65. Congratulations on disrupting your own data to prove your useless point. And your statement that a medical student will graduate with 250K in debt just shows no one in their right mind would practice medicine solely because he wants to help the needy. There are so many other careers out there that will promise the same thing. Oh wait, those salaries are only a fifth of what a doctor earns. No wonder you didn't pick those. And the assumption you make that I "clearly failed pretty hard and getting into medicine (what kind of bull grammar is this? I have great doubts that you are not a med student )" proves you can't come up with a good defense for why doctors don't do it for the money. Keep throwing those ad hominems around while every decently intellect on TL laughs behind his computer screen in your failed argument. if you start to factor in that an average doctor works around 60 hours a week the pay doesn't sound nearly as attractive. actually 60 hours a week isn't anywhere near as bad as the residency hours, which are set at an average of 80 hours a week (and you only get paid 40-60k/year). furthermore, many many doctors will make less than 200k. family physicians, etc all make around 100-150k on average. the ones that get paid more? well first they lose about 1/3 of their income to taxes, and then don't forget that malpractice insurance that takes away another huge chunk of their income. all that stuff on top of loan debt plus the amount of schooling/training required is why i'm saying people that go into medicine for solely financial reasons are in the minority. yeah sure every doctor believes that they should be fairly compensated for their training/work. but the ones who are ONLY in it for the $$? they probably don't really exist... they would have gone the business route if they just wanted money. | ||
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:46 Lurgee wrote: Med school in Australia costs 8k a year and we pay interest at CPI only after we graduate. I dunno if I'd be planning to pursue medicine if I lived in the states, seems far too expensive :s. Is much of this "$200k" that you mention derived from living expenses, or do schools really charge over 40k a year in the US? Also, do you get paid for your internships in the US? @ Med for money argument; it's absurd. Dentistry is less competitive with better pay all through your career. If you only want money, it's clearly the optimal health profession to practice. I know many people who choose to pursue medicine for the prestige, and I guess that is an understandable advantage over dentistry, but really does reflect incredible vanity in an individual. US med schools really do cost around 40-50k per year for just tuition... add in the cost of living and you get a ton of debt lol | ||
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Naramis
Brazil19 Posts
Anyway, as someone already mentioned in this thread there are just so many areas in medicine, it's hard not to find something you like.. if you want science, you can dedicate yourself to research, if you want to fix people, be a surgeon, if you find out that you actually hate people, be a pathologist or radiologist.. However, I don't think I would like it this much if I lived in the US.. it's too expensive, and there's the competitiveness between colleagues, and you have to cover your ass from every angle to not get sued.. | ||
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