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koreasilver
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BlackJack
United States10013 Posts
On September 09 2010 12:06 travis wrote: How is it being oversensitive? Hey, this book is what you base your life and beliefs around. We're going to burn a bunch of copies of it. What, you don't like that? Man you're so oversensitive! Not that I have the same opinion as those people but for god or nature or whatever-you-believe-in's sake, try to be understanding of others and promote general well-being. So yes, I agree that we should be able to burn books if we want. But does it make you a massive asshole? Probably. It doesn't matter what the book means to you. If you're going to take to the streets because a few people 10,000 miles away burned a few copies then that's being oversensitive. Try to be understanding? Are you understanding of their position that you should be killed because some guy in Florida is going to burn their holy book? If you can understand that then maybe you can teach it to me  | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On September 09 2010 12:18 BlackJack wrote: It doesn't matter what the book means to you. If you're going to take to the streets because a few people 10,000 miles away burned a few copies then that's being oversensitive. Try to be understanding? Are you understanding of their position that you should be killed because some guy in Florida is going to burn their holy book? If you can understand that then maybe you can teach it to me well 1.)how does burning the books actually help anything, doesn't it just increase hatred? and 2.)what about all the non-violent people who simply consider it holy but would never do anything in response besides feel bad and/or resent it? I do understand the principle behind it, for you at least. And there is merit to it. Standing up for what principles you believe in. But isn't it really more complicated than that? Isn't there something to be said for being meek? You can believe in the principles and not back down but there is a difference between not backing down and pushing forward. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On September 09 2010 12:18 BlackJack wrote: It doesn't matter what the book means to you. If you're going to take to the streets because a few people 10,000 miles away burned a few copies then that's being oversensitive. Try to be understanding? Are you understanding of their position that you should be killed because some guy in Florida is going to burn their holy book? If you can understand that then maybe you can teach it to me It's possible to understand why some Muslims have the jihad mentality because of the different culture and exposure people in the Middle East have. But making the argument of "we're going to burn your religious texts symbolically... oh you're mad? We were right all along you backwards people" doesn't work. There's a seriously huge different between what you can do and what you should do. You can burn religious texts, or any text someone holds dear. But that on no level means that you should. You can't possibly argue you're both a tolerant and sensible individual when you're destroying a non-destructive thing people hold dear. (Remember the Qur'an is not destructive, it's the religious extremists advocating war on other religious groups, using the Qur'an as their religious backing). | ||
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BlackJack
United States10013 Posts
On September 09 2010 12:29 travis wrote: well 1.)how does burning the books actually help anything, doesn't it just increase hatred? and 2.)what about all the non-violent people who simply consider it holy but would never do anything in response besides feel bad and/or resent it? I do understand the principle behind it, for you at least. And there is merit to it. Standing up for what principles you believe in. But isn't it really more complicated than that? Isn't there something to be said for being meek? You can believe in the principles and not back down but there is a difference between not backing down and pushing forward. 1) I could also say the forced integreation increased hatred, but we probably can't say that it didn't help anything. This book burning does increase hatred, but why does it increase hatred? It increases hatred because it is international news and the story is making it over to Afghanistan where this is seen as American arrogance and a disrescpect to Islam (because thats exactly what it is lol). But the question is, after this quran burning, how much media attention are they going to get on their 2nd Quran burning? How much on the 3rd Quran burning. How much on their 10th? Nobody is going to care anymore. This needs to not be a big deal (because it isnt!!!!). This nees to not get the attention of General Petreus and Hillary Clinton. The only reason this is such a huge story is because since the Danish cartoon fiasco everybody has been censoring everything that would offend Muslims. You think you're being tolerant of their feelings but all you're realing doing is creating a powder keg that is going to explode when someone finally does something and refuses to be censored. The longer we censor ourselves the bigger the explosion is going to be. We can either go on censoring ourselves forever or we can get it over with and open the floodgates to open up Islam to the same criticism that every other religion on the face of the earth is subjected to. Once the floodgates are open and the river is flowing, and there are 1000s of insults thrown at Islam, then I doubt they will be taking to the streets 1000s of times per year to burn effigys of everyone that has insulted their religion. However, maybe they will, In which case I truly envy whatever textile shop in Afghanistan sells the American flags because business will be good. 2) Yeah kind of true. I admit I got a little bit tunneled vision and forgot about muslims in my city that might be offended, however lets be clear that it should only be muslims in my city that would be offended because unless you're a radical then you shouldn't be offended by something so insignificant happening hundreds of miles away. Either way I will tell a small anecdote. I don't know if it's the same group of religious nutjobs but there is a group of poeple that come to the university and shout hate speech in the main plaza that has the most foot traffic of anywhere on campus. One guy wears some kind of backpack/harness with a 10+ foot pole attatched to it and a giant sign with whatever message he has for the day. I think most people have learned to ignore them. I think most muslims in my city have too much intelligence to be offended by ignorant people. 3) Sure I would rather see a different group of people making this stand. Unfortunately the Simpsosn really say it best in that regard ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_25_3Mw8bZKM/S9nY6kPIKAI/AAAAAAAAATk/2cx3afHpPGA/s1600/SIMPSONS_1625205c.jpg) The good thing about religious nutjobs is that they aren't afraid to die for their backwards views. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm shocked and appalled by your comments blackjack. Have you no concept of respect? Its not an issue of the media, people being oversensitive, free speech or rights or whatever stupid political agenda you might think. Its about living in a society where we live with and respect our neighbors with zero prejudice. A society built on the amalgamation of millions of people and their cultures and beliefs. That's why this has mass media attention. That's why the new york "mosque" has such media attention. The actions of those individuals go so fervently against what we commonly define our own society as and what we praise so much of when telling others about it. People have no issue with people's rights to free speech, but we can sure as hell have a problem with them being bigoted idiots. Its so painfully obvious the true reasons they want to burn the book. To say you'd want to join in on the burning to serve your own purposes is incredibly selfish and quite frankly, despicable. | ||
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Nuri
New Zealand280 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On September 08 2010 17:17 vek wrote: There was definitely not people dancing "all across the middle east". You don't think Muslims were killed in 9/11 also? The people celebrating were extremists. Saying "fuck em" to people who support and like America and American policies is just outrageously dumb. No wonder there are so many problems with your country right now. People are too busy fighting amongst themselves over petty issues. Sure, hyperbole. But the Palestinians definitely were as caught on camera. And they were doing it in Iran and a few other places where I don't remember. But yea, the PA was threatening journalists and it's a miracle that this tape made it out, a bunch of others did not. Extremeists? no. Whole neighborhoods, multiple ones even, were celebrating. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10013 Posts
On September 09 2010 13:50 a176 wrote: I'm shocked and appalled by your comments blackjack. Have you no concept of respect? Its not an issue of the media, people being oversensitive, free speech or rights or whatever stupid political agenda you might think. Its about living in a society where we live with and respect our neighbors with zero prejudice. A society built on the amalgamation of millions of people and their cultures and beliefs. That's why this has mass media attention. That's why the new york "mosque" has such media attention. The actions of those individuals go so fervently against what we commonly define our own society as and what we praise so much of when telling others about it. People have no issue with people's rights to free speech, but we can sure as hell have a problem with them being bigoted idiots. Its so painfully obvious the true reasons they want to burn the book. To say you'd want to join in on the burning to serve your own purposes is incredibly selfish and quite frankly, despicable. Oh please. There are so many racists in this country that hold hate rallys so often. This has absolutely nothing to do with respect or intolerance or whatever. This has everything to do with "they might kill us if we do this." | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On September 09 2010 21:55 BlackJack wrote: Oh please. There are so many racists in this country that hold hate rallys so often. This has absolutely nothing to do with respect or intolerance or whatever. This has everything to do with "they might kill us if we do this." Actually, it kinda does have everything to do with respect and intolerance. Doesn't matter if bunches of other racists have hate rallies, those are ignorant, bigoted, and stupid too. Hey, people across the world still commit murder, I guess that means it's okay for me to kill you then? So some people talk about the potential harm to troops or inflammation of Islamic people. Sure, that's an argument. Ignoring that completely, it's still a completely douche move, so no, you can't excuse a bigoted preference. | ||
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