EPT[Update p.28] Gretech - KeSPA/MBC negotiations break down…
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 07 2010 09:04 FindingPride wrote: That sounds familiar... oh wait, that's what they said about War3 when it came out as well haha. all games start somewhere bubs. The future for sc2 Out weighs the future for BW. No one can deny how great bw is/was. But for esports to grow beyond a small niche.. sc2 needs to happen. and imo its a great successor BW isn't about the game anymore, it's about the players and personalities - it's the same reason people still play chess and follow regular sports. The games been figured out, more or less, but we follow them for the personalities. | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
On September 07 2010 09:03 moopie wrote: ... are we seriously going down this road? lol. So every game with any PvP aspect is an esport now? so you want to use a definition according to which there are somewhere around 100,000 esports around? You want to argue semantics on a forum where that term means a specific thing? We can use the IeSF's definition too, I mean KeSPA is even a member: http://www.ie-sf.com/eng/competition/2010_entry.asp | ||
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bearbuddy
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On September 07 2010 08:11 ArvickHero wrote: Erm.. no, just teams pulled their support from GSL because they felt GSL was an unnecessary distraction. KeSPA gave their seal of approval in Season 2 I believe, but pulled it in Season 3 because not every team was participating. Even those who stayed in GSL Season 3, most progamers barely practiced for it at all because it was at the very last thing on their priority list (Iris being one of those exceptions). Kespa essentially is the teams. The reason GomTV struggled to gain Kespa support for the Intel Classic league was because MBC/OGN being teams/kespa board members/league operators and having hugely conflicting interests actively opposed it. They own the two big leagues, why would they want more competition? And even when they did get Kespa support and were officially a league, those teams as well as several others (Estro, SKT, not sure who else) never allowed their players to participate So to suggest they ever truly had the "seal of approval" of kespa would be unanimous support by all teams, they never got that. Kespa and the pro teams are not mutually exclusive. And it was never about players with too much to practice for, there's way more small salary players than big ones who aren't necessarily qualified for the other individual leagues who would love a crack at another big tournament win but their teams said no because of highly political reasons, not in their interests. If your big stars have too much on your plate fine, but disallowing your entire roster and effectively boycotting the league? "Kespa seal of approval" | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On September 07 2010 09:04 FindingPride wrote: all games start somewhere bubs. The future for sc2 Out weighs the future for BW. No one can deny how great bw is/was. But for esports to grow beyond a small niche.. sc2 needs to happen. and imo its a great successor Blizzard is promoting the fuck out of SC2 with tournaments and crap because the game sells for $60 a copy and additional $120 for future expansions. They don't care about BW because it doesn't make money selling BW copies anymore. So by your logic of trusting Blizzard with e-sports, anything involving SC2 would be shut down instantly as soon as they come out with SC3 10 years down the road, then they will switch to their new milk machine that is SC3. | ||
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mimikami
France77 Posts
On September 07 2010 08:48 Doughboy wrote: In a worst case scenario, is OGN capable of doing PL by themselves? I know sort've co-hosted PL in a sense, but can't OGN still do PL? Hi Doughboy I am pretty sure that in the worst case scenario when an agreement cannot be made and if Blizzard/Gretech is still keen on destroying PL and the proteams, the ministry of culture will jump in and ensure the continuity of the Korean pro-scene. It's a potential job loss for more than 500 people (much more if we count everyone involved in the scene), the destruction of an industry and a potential large public discontent. That is definitely the kind of thing that the government cannot let happen. I kind of hoping that it will happen that way, because Kespa is just too weak to control a popular sport like Starcraft, it should be controlled and protected by the government (which is something that Blizzard and Gretech do not want to mess with ...<cough> 18+ rating <cough>). | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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pronesc
United States31 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
However, blizzard's support when it comes to running these tourneys is awful, from tourney realms glitching and spamming the same map over and over for long periods of time (can really skew results) to pets that glitch on certain maps, blizzard in years has not even attempted to fix such issues. They do not balance their classes around esports, so it is really a giant crapshoot season to season which comp is dominant. How can an esport be taken seriously when some seasons you have comps that are so overpowered even at the top level that they can just tunnel down a target within the first 30 seconds of the game, over and over again, with some maps having it happen within like 15 seconds. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
Negotiations fail, Ministry of Culture arbitrator steps in. Korea starts forced "bulk licensing" of games for eSports. What I mean is the same way a restaurant/bar/cafe can pay a monthly fee to use the recording industry's music in the EU, a TV channel or (commercial) stream can pay a fee based on the duration they broadcast and the size of the audience to use a game. KeSPA is replaced by a league organization free of corporate influence. A real players' organization is created to protect their interests. In this universe, horses are also unicorns that poop rainbows. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On September 07 2010 09:35 seRapH wrote: actually, when it comes to alternative solutions what about making a bw clone and call it something else? like SpaceWars or WarSpace or WarStar or something. exactly like bw except the models are different and theres no campaign. SpaceCraft sounds like a good name  | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
Basically, it sets a statute of limitations on claiming ownership on something someone else is using. That may seem weird, but it really does make sense the more you get into it. A friend of mine used it in court once. A developer destroyed part of her property because it encroached on the developer's land, so she went to court and proved it was a case of adverse possession, so he repaid for the damage, and she got the land. It just seems absurd to me that Blizzard can ignore broadcast of BW for many years and then then suddenly claim ownership and destroy the eSports scene. I'm no fan of Kespa, but under the circumstances, this seems like a real injustice what Blizzard/Gretech are doing. | ||
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On September 07 2010 09:52 SimonB wrote: There is a legal principle in common law called Adverse Possession which seems to fit this case pretty well. I have no idea if it has any legal application in this particular instance, but much of the idea around it is relevant here. Basically, it sets a statute of limitations on claiming ownership on something someone else is using. That may seem weird, but it really does make sense the more you get into it. A friend of mine used it in court once. A developer destroyed part of her property because it encroached on the developer's land, so she went to court and proved it was a case of adverse possession, so he repaid for the damage, and she got the land. It just seems absurd to me that Blizzard can ignore broadcast of BW for many years and then then suddenly claim ownership and destroy the eSports scene. I'm no fan of Kespa, but under the circumstances, this seems like a real injustice what Blizzard/Gretech are doing. In real estate, that works when it's over 20 years(7 years in some state) to my knowledge. | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
I'd wait until there's more reliable sources. | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On September 07 2010 10:05 Monkeyshark wrote: In real estate, that works when it's over 20 years(7 years in some state) to my knowledge. You guys are discussing American law, because............? | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
I doubt it really applies here because they probably have highly-paid lawyers who would've tried it already if it was viable at all in this instance, but the concept behind it is relevant. | ||
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