EPTThe Truth About Diamond League - Page 34
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oskuboi
Finland72 Posts
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Ximeng
China57 Posts
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BlindPhaydo
United States33 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:18 Qikz wrote: What a ridiculous statement, sorry but anyone can know alot about the game no matter what rank you are. It's just some lower players who may know alot about the game may not be able to execute the things properly. Just because someone plays for 12 hours a day, doesn't mean they're immune to making mistakes. Mutas are owned by thors they said, well since someone came up with the fact that spread mutas decimate thors it's shown that even the top players are still prone to being wrong. I'll respect the people who play in tournaments purely for the fact they do it for enjoyment and for everyone here and elsewhere who enjoys watching them play, but to say that they know more about the game because they play it in tournaments I think is a little bit silly. Right now, atleast for another year everyone should have equal right to voice their opinions as it's a new game. You can't just balance the game around one person who plays the game 12 hours a day because balance can't function like that, say for example in Broodwar Jaedong comes up with this build that any zerg could pull off without any effort, but it's so hard to defend against that the only person who can defend it is Flash, but for anyone but Flash nobody can stop it. Just because one person can stop something doesn't mean it's balanced, that's why everyone needs some kind of input at least to be able to help with discussions. Of course everyone should have input in balance discussions. In fact, I specifically said that people are wrongly interpreting the OP to mean that anyone in low/mid diamond should just shut up, which was NOT the point of the OP. I was merely saying that using Diamond league status as proof that one knows a lot about the game is not valid as it does not take a particularly developed understanding of the game to make it to Diamond league. The OP is a reality check to remind people that making it to diamond is a far cry from demonstrating deep knowledge of the game. | ||
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Armsved
Denmark642 Posts
Arenajunkies for WoW arena also requires 2400+ rating. This makes for much better forums. EDIT. I as a 900 rated terran feel like I do have a good understanding of TvP. Im definetly not an A+ player at all, but I've been doing the 1 1 1 fast raven build since phase 1 and have had to face every single toss opening tons of times. Done tons of practice games against other toss to understand their timing and how to react accordingly. Im having a lot of trouble understanding the other matchups thou. TvZ I basicly just copy some pro builds. | ||
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bodycount
Poland36 Posts
Myself I am around 900-1000 rating. Never played BW but did play WC3 for many years. I feel like I have good understanding of the game (I have to, I play Zerg), yet I often fail at what I would like to do due to my lacking macro mechanics. I definietely wouldn't put myself anywhere near the pros even though I'm sporting rank 1 in my division. | ||
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Shaithis
United States383 Posts
The people doing all-ins - I've lost to those to, and after checking their profiles, found them very highly rated (proxy gate toss at 1k diamond >_< ), however it could be that this very same player is legitimately skilled and just saw an opportunity to proxy with an early scout when it luckily found my base on the first try on Kulas. | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
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bodycount
Poland36 Posts
On August 26 2010 00:16 SwaY- wrote: if the sc2 rankings page has correct data, about 3~5% of the b.net population is diamond, which proves your argument wrong that most players are in diamond. most players that are active on TL, posting and sharing their thoughts are diamond. I think that was what OP refered to. | ||
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Zeridian
United States198 Posts
Xbeats Y X + Z beats Y + X blah blah | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
Arenajunkies for WoW arena also requires 2400+ rating. This makes for much better forums. Sorry but this isn't true at all. I can post on AJ, although infrequently did because of how low the post quality was in general. It was/is mostly just a bunch of 'mediocre gladiator level players' playing stupid comps (comparable to people who only cheese in sc2) arguing with each other over who played the stupidest comp. It was better in WoW:TBC tbh. And oddly enough, even tho only the top 0.5% of all arena players can post there, most of the top players wanted it to be EVER MORE exclusive, so only multiglad/r1 players could post (the top 0.05% or less). In fact, I think the original post by Filovirus looked pretty much exactly like this one by Saracen. Tldr version: exclusivity doesn't imply quality, we have to foster a better standard of posting in general here by encouraging logic and rational justification for ideas as opposed to argument from authority. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Top200 used to have a cutoff ~800 pts a couple weeks ago, now it's at 1000 points, in a few weeks it'll be 1100-1200, and so on. You have to look at the person's win ratio and his relative position in the global ladder to judge his skill appropriately. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
On August 26 2010 00:44 Fission wrote: Sorry but this isn't true at all. I can post on AJ, although infrequently did because of how low the post quality was in general. It was/is mostly just a bunch of 'mediocre gladiator level players' playing stupid comps (comparable to people who only cheese in sc2) arguing with each other over who played the stupidest comp. It was better in WoW:TBC tbh. And oddly enough, even tho only the top 0.5% of all arena players can post there, most of the top players wanted it to be EVER MORE exclusive, so only multiglad/r1 players could post (the top 0.05% or less). In fact, I think the original post by Filovirus looked pretty much exactly like this one by Saracen. Tldr version: exclusivity doesn't imply quality, we have to foster a better standard of posting in general here by encouraging logic and rational justification for ideas as opposed to argument from authority. TL post quality is way better than AJ post quality even without the exclusivity (excellent job, moderators). What we need isn't exclusivity, we need people to stop thinking they're an authority on the game when no one is yet. It just came out a couple weeks ago! If people were more open to discussion we'd have a lot better threads in the strategy forum | ||
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Killmour
United States105 Posts
30th ranked gold Zergs saying they never lose to reaper harass, they just build 4 spine crawlers at each mineral line, and 2 around each tech building. I even saw a Protoss player saying that force field is underpowered because his own units could not move through them at will. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10299 Posts
On August 26 2010 01:07 Killmour wrote: I even saw a Protoss player saying that force field is underpowered because his own units could not move through them at will. hahaha, pure gold | ||
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
Im in 400~diamond and i suck horribly, but still trying to keep on my zerg and not cheese  so saracen is pretty accurate.Btw it maybe be possible to make disccusion threads for "pro" players but viewable for everyone, so the info will be there for all of us, but still make the thread serious and useful. | ||
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silencesc
United States464 Posts
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CooLWoLF
United States17 Posts
One thing I have noticed about the TL forums is the lack of elitist threads by diamond players. For comparison, take a trip over to the official b.net SC2 boards and just TRY making a thread or comment and be a sub-diamond player. 8/10 times you will get blasted.That board reeks of elitism. I love coming here and not experiencing this. I hope it stays this way. | ||
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Kinmaul
United States104 Posts
On August 25 2010 13:09 Harem wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2010 10:32 Kinmaul wrote: I'm an average player at best and I agree with the OP 110%. Elitist Jerks have a World of Warcraft forum that usually has solid posts, but the only way they maintain that quality is that they are moderation nazi's to the extreme. There is very little moderation here and as a result your average post is going to be full of armchair theorycrafting with no basis that was probably made up on the spot. People don't seem to understand that the average SC2 player is average... average. I think a few rules from EJ would help this board out immensily. *The ability for people to report bad/unqualified posts. You regulate this by giving out warnings/bans to people that report posts for no reason. *You must have 10-15 replies in various threads before you can made your own topic. *Orginal topics are closely watched. People who make poor topics are quickly banned from posting/replying. The report post feature makes moderation much more efficient. Rather than randomly browse the forums for trash you can look at the the list of reported posts and take immediate action. Is the post worthy of a warning/ban? Done. Did the person needlessly report the post? Warn/ban them. Clean up the boards imo. Report feature already exists but only people who have been here for at least a year can use it. However, if you don't have access to it then you can always just PM a mod about something you deem objectionable. Also, people consistently abuse the report feature lose access to it too and can be warned for bad reports. There are also pre-requisites before a person can make his first thread. I forgot what they are exactly but I know it's time-related rather than post count related. That already happens here too? However, it starts with warnings first but people who consistently make shitty OPs don't tend to last long. Also, first replies to threads are looked at harshly as that can set the tone for a thread and even well-made OPs can turn into bad threads due to derailment etc. I'm also confused to you saying that there is very little moderation here either. I think restricting post reporting is bad thing, at most the delay should be a few weeks to a month. This site has taken off since the release of SC2, and I'm guessing a large majority of your users are 10-11 months away from being able to report posts. The feature should be easily accessible by the community and the punishment for bad reports should be severe. This feature is meant to make your job as a moderater easier, but you are restricting it's use for some unknown reason. The only people you are hurting by doing this are the moderators and the community. Let the community regulate itself and then your job is then to simply look at the reports and click the warn/ban button. If people want to abuse that privilege then simply ban them. It's win/win for the people that want to make TL a better place. On August 25 2010 16:19 antelope591 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2010 10:32 Kinmaul wrote: I'm an average player at best and I agree with the OP 110%. Elitist Jerks have a World of Warcraft forum that usually has solid posts, but the only way they maintain that quality is that they are moderation nazi's to the extreme. There is very little moderation here and as a result your average post is going to be full of armchair theorycrafting with no basis that was probably made up on the spot. People don't seem to understand that the average SC2 player is average... average. I think a few rules from EJ would help this board out immensily. *The ability for people to report bad/unqualified posts. You regulate this by giving out warnings/bans to people that report posts for no reason. *You must have 10-15 replies in various threads before you can made your own topic. *Orginal topics are closely watched. People who make poor topics are quickly banned from posting/replying. The report post feature makes moderation much more efficient. Rather than randomly browse the forums for trash you can look at the the list of reported posts and take immediate action. Is the post worthy of a warning/ban? Done. Did the person needlessly report the post? Warn/ban them. Clean up the boards imo. This post is exaggeration to the extreme....these forums are moderated extremely well considering its a community site and they have thousands of users per day posting stuff. It's easy to moderate the EJ forums when you have 100x less people than TL reading it and posting at a time. I never see people post blatant flames here without getting at least a warn. Current EJ stats: Currently Active Users: 1881. Most users ever online was 22,600, 09/07/09 at 9:00 AM. Threads: 103,975, Posts: 1,725,224, Members: 331,123 So 1900 active users at 11:35am, TL currently has 5.5k. How exactly is that 100x more? Also I'm not talking about flame posts. I'm talking about people making posts where they have no clue what they are talking about. These boards have a TON of great discussion, but there's also a lot of crap where "random joe smith" shoots off his opinion thats based purely on theorycraft. Every single good thread that gets posted here gets swarmed with armchair bronze-gold league players giving their opinion on why it will/won't work. Do these players give replays showing how they tried the build before giving their opinion? Nope. Do these players even TRY the build in a practice game with a friend to work out any faults they may see? Nope. Instead they sit back and say, "well if you tried that, I'll just do this and win; your strat isn't even viable". Pure theorycraft and speculation with zero actual experience. At best they will try the build, but their mechanics are so poor they lose anyways and blame the strat instead of looking at their own play. TL's moderation polices were fine when the site was a bit under the radar pre-SC2 hype, but with the increased user base I don't think there's anything wrong with a more heavy handed moderation style. Keeping the site clean doesn't just mean banning flamers, it means regulating posters so that they actually THINK before they type a bunch of opinionated garbage. Failure to do this will result in good players posting here less and less until the only people left are the idiots. Note that I don't consider myself good player, but I come here for solid information which is getting rarer by the day. Either step up the moderation or watch these boards turn into the Blizzard forums. | ||
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