EPTTL Mafia XXVIII - Page 162
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citi.zen
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Oh well. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 30 2010 11:51 d3_crescentia wrote: Is this one of them Mutual Chainsaw Defense (TM) things? I remember this being a really easy trap to fall into when playing as mafia even if you are aware of it. I dunno if BC attacked someone for suspecting Misder; it was more like he got pissed off at someone for suspecting BC because BC wasn't suspecting Misder... | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 30 2010 12:19 youngminii wrote: @ BrownBear: There's no need for Vets to claim, I already know who they are (thanks Zeks/lakrismamma), I'll stop town if they're about to be lynched. Ok :D I wasn't sure zeks had told anyone, so I wanted to cover our bases. Since you know, no need to worry about that crap. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On July 30 2010 12:19 citi.zen wrote: Lol - I sincerely congratulated panda for playing a good red game. Turns out he was town - I take it all back. =( i miss panda, he was fun to read. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 30 2010 12:19 citi.zen wrote: Lol - I sincerely congratulated panda for playing a good red game. Turns out he was town - I take it all back. Guys, give him a break. It's his first game. All of us didn't play to our fullest potential our first game. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
##Vote: Misder Agreed when saying that Misder's activity level makes it hard to gauge anything. Definitely want to see him post more, so perhaps this will pressure him into doing so. I'm very unsure about everybody else. Divinek seems legitimate, and has claimed Veteran. Not sure what to do about that at this point. I seriously doubt both rastaban and SouthRawrea would have tried to shank BloodyC0bbler so hard, but WiFOM tells me it could have been a Mafia ploy. Voting tree.hugger as well still because of the stuff he tried to pull early on. Regardless, really not sure of these votes, and there's not much to go off of now. Will come back later to see if anything new develops. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 30 2010 10:21 BrownBear wrote: I think now would be a good time to say "I told you so", Divinek? okay next time someone dt checks red we just wont lynch them then if that makes you happy you can totally push for a wagon on me if that makes you happy as well, ill even vote for myself if you ask me to.. oh wait we cant do that in this game but you get the idea | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 30 2010 10:16 BrownBear wrote: I must have missed that, where did you claim? Also, no. Under no circumstances should anyone be ignored if they want to defend themselves. Your narrow-mindedness is part of the reason town's doing as poorly as they are, and it's really getting on my nerves. yeah we should have let BC defend himself for the full 48 hours so he could have swayed your vote off plus others rofl narrow minded fuck you he checked red, you're getting on my nerves | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 30 2010 23:22 Divinek wrote: yeah we should have let BC defend himself for the full 48 hours so he could have swayed your vote off plus others rofl narrow minded fuck you he checked red, you're getting on my nerves Sadly he would have succeeded in swaying votes if we let him... again. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Your style of play says that if someone checks red they get lynched no matter what. It's a black and white style of play, and it is legitimate. My style of play says that it's more shades of grey, especially if Millers are in the game. I decided that since Pandain and I had been sharing PMs and talking about things since about Day 2, and I had gotten a very pro-town read off of him, I would trust my instincts and trust that he was miller #2. Obviously, you think my style of play is stupid, and I think your style of play is narrow-minded. Arguing about it isn't going to get anywhere. Let's just agree that we lynched Pandain, he flipped miller, and now we're moving on. Before I take my vote off of you, though, please quote your post where you claimed vet. I still didn't see it reading through the last 5 or so pages, and I'm too lazy to read further back  | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 31 2010 01:58 BrownBear wrote: Divinek, I don't think we're going to get anywhere by arguing, so I'm just gonna say we agree to disagree. Your style of play says that if someone checks red they get lynched no matter what. It's a black and white style of play, and it is legitimate. My style of play says that it's more shades of grey, especially if Millers are in the game. I decided that since Pandain and I had been sharing PMs and talking about things since about Day 2, and I had gotten a very pro-town read off of him, I would trust my instincts and trust that he was miller #2. Obviously, you think my style of play is stupid, and I think your style of play is narrow-minded. Arguing about it isn't going to get anywhere. Let's just agree that we lynched Pandain, he flipped miller, and now we're moving on. Before I take my vote off of you, though, please quote your post where you claimed vet. I still didn't see it reading through the last 5 or so pages, and I'm too lazy to read further back It's not stupid, but it's a very dangerous type of play. You can have people like BC or such who can play pro-town ish and make great arguments and in the end sway people's votes away from him even if he is mafia. It's happened several times before in other games where someone will be flipped red, claim miller/insane DT and argue people away from lynching them when they were mafia. People can play anti-town/make bad calls and still be town but appear as mafia. People can play pro-town and still be mafia and appear as town. If you start playing the grey, it gets very very hard to tell if it's a town grey or a mafia grey. The best way, and most heavyhanded way, is to kill anyone who flips red. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 31 2010 02:15 chaoser wrote: It's not stupid, but it's a very dangerous type of play. You can have people like BC or such who can play pro-town ish and make great arguments and in the end sway people's votes away from him even if he is mafia. It's happened several times before in other games where someone will be flipped red, claim miller/insane DT and argue people away from lynching them when they were mafia. People can play anti-town/make bad calls and still be town but appear as mafia. People can play pro-town and still be mafia and appear as town. If you start playing the grey, it gets very very hard to tell if it's a town grey or a mafia grey. The best way, and most heavyhanded way, is to kill anyone who flips red. I agree that that's a logical way to play, it's just not the way I choose to play. In most situations, I prefer to make a judgement call. When it was BC on the chopping block, I listened to him, and his arguments nearly convinced me. However, I know how deceptive of a player he is, and I had had no contact with him apart from in the thread, so I made the judgement call to keep my vote on him. For Pandain, it was different. It's his first game, so I felt more comfortable assuming he wasn't running any major deceptions (not a knock on your skill panda, just the fact that newbies don't tend to run the kind of high-level mindgames BC and Ace do <3). Also, I had a long PM history with him, so I had a lot more information to go on, and I considered him to be very pro-town. Thus, I made the judgement call to trust him. Am I wrong sometimes? Certainly. Does it bite me in the ass? Of course. However, it's no different from your style of thinking - sometimes it's wrong, sometimes it isn't. In this case, my way of thinking happened to be correct. Of course I could have been wrong and Pandain could have been mafia. However, I think my judgement is usually pretty sound, so I defer to it over just blindly following orders. If you call that bad play, I seriously question you. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
<3 you though. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 31 2010 04:20 youngminii wrote: Actually BB, going against a DT check is bad play no matter how you spin it. <3 you though. yeah pretty much. You can't be results oriented and go 'wellll he flipped miller' you have to go for the kill because if you dont there will always be doubt in people's mind and that will ALWAYS affect the game and they way they vote/act etc. so do we even know who the other person who is going to hang is(from double lynch), and doesnt day end in half an hour. i wish i got off work earlier | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I still don't think it's bad play. Guess you all do tho, whatevs :D <3 you too young ^^ | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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