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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game? this could be potentially unfair if changed I am not a "wishy-washy" team, I am just a person who isn't sure who mafia are I am sure of who mafia aren't in the case of myself and Chezinu. You must believe me on this. I promise not to spam as much if you all would just trust me and not lynch me. I am only posting this way to show you all that I am doing my best effort to try and help you all win if you're town. Teamliquid has HORRIBLE town-play. I am among the worst. I am trying my best. Give me another chance tomorrow, you all need Chez and I , we will be of help... | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:06 DCLXVI wrote: -flamewheel will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game? I'll grant it this time, since MooCow had the courtesy of forewarning me. After this day yours and Divinek's votes will count for 1/2, not 1/3. For this voting cycle though, let's leave it as such. On June 24 2010 10:09 BrownBear wrote: I'm still a little confused with how the voting works, honestly. Is it each member of the team has 1 vote, each team has a vote that can be split 2 or 3 ways, or is it some other weird method entirely? Each team has an aggregate total of 1 voting power, as per normal Mafia standards. Each individual on the team has 1/n voting power of the total, to be cast independently of his or her teammates' vote. To make things simple and since fractions suck, I just weighted each vote based on sixths. | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:09 BrownBear wrote: I'm still a little confused with how the voting works, honestly. Is it each member of the team has 1 vote, each team has a vote that can be split 2 or 3 ways, or is it some other weird method entirely? teams with 3 = 2 per person teams with 2 = 3 per person it's a fairly simple concept i'm surprised you failed to grasp it | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:09 flamewheel wrote: I'll grant it this time, since MooCow had the courtesy of forewarning me. After this day yours and Divinek's votes will count for 1/2, not 1/3. For this voting cycle though, let's leave it as such. thank you for making the fair ruling, flamewheel. | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I know you all can say "EVERYONE SAYS THAT" but look how hard I am trying to help I have definitely been the most-active and town player from my perspective. Sorry if you disagree. | ||
DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by. 1. Your first quoted post is decent. The first paragraph is a fair argument against what whoever suggested – I don’t think we should play any differently against 3 player teams from 2 player teams, especially because the 3 player teams are all a man down I think? The bit I quoted above is an unnecessary statement, one of those “I’m here” posts that doesn’t say anything. It was early though, so I’ll give you a pass on that one. Also – plenty happens on the first day =D. 2. Your next post is really… meh. The first paragraph is pretty useless to me. The second paragraph: I for one disagree with Yellow, and favor your idea of a DT claiming Day 2 if they have red, else, day 3 with two green or a red/green. Good call for DTs to check actual reddish people. Here’s why this post might be red to Yellow/others: well the first part is pretty useless, like I said. Bad town/mafia often have posts like that. The second paragraph, even if I agree with it, is pretty general/generic. Anyone can made commentary on a setup, and even they do it accurately, it’s not that bad for them (as mafia). What Yellow was screaming about was that you assumed there were all three power roles – DT, medic, RB, which suggests that you knew more than the rest of us. It’s suspicious, and it’s not something that you can apologize for. That kind of stuff goes on your permanent record, at least to me. 3. This next post is again, really general, and you’re talking about last game. It’s okay, but doesn’t contribute to your “townieness.” And posts like that, if they show up too often, end up being an indication of your scumminess. I also think that blues should try to stay alive. Better to be inactive than the mafia’s prime target simply because of posting. There are ~3 inactive teams right now and 2 half-inactive teams. That’s 1/2 of the teams – it’s a bigger crowd than the main posters. 4. Uhh. Next post like the 2nd post I think. A “correction,” but the same commentary applies. 5. This post is mostly useless tbh… I mean, Yellow would probably feel otherwise since it’s addressed to him, but all you’re really doing is defending against his accusations by saying that he’s accusing you solely because he disagrees with you, which is not the case, I don’t think. 6. This post is useless. You’re right, it’s pretty bad. 7. I considered pressuring you earlier, like I said before, but decided to go directly to Bill Murray and clear that up first. L’s comment wasn’t so much that there’s a lot to judge me and Ace by (although I have had multiple extremely long posts), but more that his fishing expedition was over. Your second paragraph here says..nothing except that you’re admitting that you’re posting sucks? What? Your third paragraph, you could listen to yourself. Post analysis >>> talk about game setup. Game plans are typically something that I don’t want to hear about for more than a few hours’ worth of posts in a 48 hour day. But yea, overall this post, not that great. 8. Hm. I’ve shared my thoughts on your day 4 lynch me scam, but I’ll repeat myself here: it’s scummy. There’s no weight in it, except what people decide to take from it. Actions-wise, no one’s going to be there to hold you accountable, assuming you’re still alive. So it’s a quick and easy ploy for you to get some fake credibility, to me. Furthermore, your calls for “blues check me” is another thing that has no weight in it. By calling for something like that and assuming that you get the town to follow it, you take away all unpredictability that our blues (assuming we have any) have. Easy hit for the mafia tonight, no worries about medics that way. A great scheme for a scum to run. So this too is also scummy. Anyway, those are my immediate thoughts on your posts. If you’re town, I hope you’ll see why you look scummy to some people. The things I’ve said in addition to your overall poor post quality makes you a potentially good lynch target. I’m kinda leaning away from you at this point though. Gotta do a little more reading before I decide whether or not I shall heed my master’s bidding. | ||
LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
Team 8's post count -stormtemplar 5 -johnnyspazz 14 -BrownBear 7 **Note: BrownBear just recently got back into the game. **Note: BrownBear has posted more than stormtemplar Stormtemplar + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 09:16 stormtemplar wrote: I suspect BM is mafia. Firstly, his constant accusations of yellowink are very scummy looking to me, especially since his claims about yellows logic are unfounded For example, it makes perfect sense that the mafia wants people to think they are green because then they are not killed yet he attacks this thinking Second, his morse encoded stealth claim to be medic looks quite scummy, as only a stupid or naive blue would do something that revealed themselves to be mafia. Of course this is my first mafia game ever so I could be a total idiot and be completely wrong but whatever, this is the impression I'm getting. I don't think that BM's logic is off, his argument for YI was that his play in the current game and XXVII has differed among other things. Uses the I'm-new-to-the-game card. On June 23 2010 09:24 stormtemplar wrote: Yeah, totaly forgot about the edits thing...Ooops, bad habit. Well I dunno, it is too early to be sure, but I just don't like his actions at all. If we hang yellow and he ends up being green, it might be a little more conclusive. Also, I agree that voting for L is kinda not necessary here yet, and we should kill an inactive team. Proves he's new to mafia. Proposes to kill a yellow team. Nothing ground breaking On June 23 2010 09:32 stormtemplar wrote: Yeah I Just noticed that as well, kinda worthless, cuz if he's mafia you are too. Useless post. On June 23 2010 09:42 stormtemplar wrote: I was disagreeing with jspazz and stating that he was incorrect. oooo, disagreement between the team. I do agree with this notion though to not vote for L but to vote for an inactive team. On June 23 2010 10:53 stormtemplar wrote: We've been slightly implicated, and I've presented arguments to implicate team 2. What happened to voting for an inactive? Goes back to his original post to vote for BM's team Overview + Show Spoiler + I can't seem to get a good read on him, his posts have so far been simple and easy to understand (probably because he doesn't have much to say). He doesn't seem to have a problem to publically show his disagreement with hi teammates. Predicted role: undecided johnnyspazz + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote: I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now. I don't have much experience with mafia so I'm not sure if this quote is justified. On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote: + Show Spoiler + Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this? I agree with this to an extent. I believe he misinterpreted YI's argument. On June 23 2010 06:06 johnnyspazz wrote: lol! also, bm and chez, i decoded your messages and have to the conclusion you are blue! Joke post, unless they're all mafia (including BM + Chez) I doubt this post holds any weight. On June 23 2010 06:11 johnnyspazz wrote: haha imagine a team of 3 getting 3 dt checks a night, wouldn't that be something Nothing much here, further making fun of my mistake ;_; On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote: oh man i feel like a detective! Helps town translate (I for one have no idea what to do with the Di-dit crap). On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote: darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. I think it's a good way to spark discussion; accusing someone right at the beginning. I do agree however, accusing him from past game experience was pretty uncalled for (I wish YI would forget I almost caused the town to lose last game ^ ^; On June 23 2010 11:20 johnnyspazz wrote: i already tried and it was too hard to break! give me a hint i'm going to switch my vote to team 2 because claiming medic day 1 is retarded. ??? I feel that they were just joking around and were not claiming medic day 1. I don't think this is a good move as there are inactive people to pressure ( like me ^ ^;; ). On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote: stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else? I think the attacks on Jspazz was uncalled for. A random vote to spark discussion is quite solid. Overview + Show Spoiler + His posts have mainly been defending himself - particularly for his initial accusation towards L. I read slightly pro town from him though he hasn't had much analysis and has thus far only attacked when provoked. BrownBear + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote: Yass, I am back! I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons: + Show Spoiler [Reasons!] + On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote: since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote: you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote: oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html and it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today. Some pretty solid analysis here especially on the morse code stuff and I agree with all of it. The behavior from team 2 has been pretty random and I question whether any of it will help the town at all. On June 23 2010 12:49 BrownBear wrote: Korynne and flamewheel can back me up on this. I had told them I was going to be gone until wednesday, so to put me on a 3 person team so that my inactivity wouldn't be noticed. If you'd actually taken the time to read the signup thread, you would know this. Knocking me for inactivity when I've had a planned absence is just silly. Plus, the reason I think your list is stupid isn't because you had work all day and were gone, it's because you had work all day, were gone, THEN you came back and just put up a single list with NO EXPLANATION. Summary: Learn to read, and learn to back up your lynch-lists if you don't want them called into question. Again, it doesn't matter if you're "summarizing what other people said" you need to SAY THAT in the first place. Otherwise, people are going to call you on it. When you react to people calling on it by acting like a monkey in a cage, flinging poo on as many people as possible, it makes you look bad. Well, yeah, wouldn't you be? Someone accused me (well, my team) for some pretty weak reasons, I'm glad people are calling them on it. Also, you have no right to yell "OMGUS" on me, given you had the first and most retarded OMGUS of the game. Also, my allies are who? Uhh, wut? Summary: Try harder next time! Also, stop throwing FoS around like it's fucking candy on halloween. It's not helping us. Just like Jspazz usually does, a defence post while trying to nail the other guy as well. I do agree with BrownBear here and I think he'll be very active and will be able to provide enough posts to get a good read on him. From this post alone, I'm willing to bet that he is a townie. I however disagree with his dislike of the mass FoS, it allows better mafia players to be able to interpret them and be able to get good reads on the player. On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote: From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do. I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead. Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on. First of all, I think it's important to note that he hasn't posted for 18 hours. I do however agree with his suspicions for BM-Chez and L-Caller . And agree that actually killing team 7 is a bad idea even if they're inactive. I think the point of voting for them is just to apply pressure on them to post more, not to kill them outright. Overview + Show Spoiler + I get a protown reading from him and I quite like his train of thought (I found it quite easy to follow). I sincerely hope he continues his posts TLDR; I think Team 8 is town though slightly on the inactive side. Then again, I don't think they have any chance of posting as much as players like BM. | ||
DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote: If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2. BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone? lol... 1) my vote was on you ~22 hours ago. I changed it because it didn't seem like your team was stepping up at all. Granted, MooCow's gone, but DCLXVI hasn't really stepped up either. You have, but in a very... weird way. You've been talking almost exclusively to BM as far as I can remember. 2) How did I OMGUS-like vote you? My quoting you referred to your saying "Chez switching 7 times in one day is scummy" to show you that just because someone changes their vote often, they aren't scummy. Anyone can do that, and people who have a desire to troll, such as myself, WILL do that. 3) Like I said earlier, it's the serious votes + final vote that count. 4) Me voting for you != me protecting BM. zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o. On June 24 2010 10:06 DCLXVI wrote: @radfield I am not sure why my last post "screams mafia" since you didn't bother to elaborate, but sure... Yes we have been inactive and that is our fault, I just wanted to see where day 1 went and see who would be lynched. Apparently that only works for experienced players. We posted slightly less content than team 1 who is quiet all day, then they accuse us so that they look active. One question to all of you: What will you gain by lynching a quiet noob team? We have not made many opinions or sided with anyone. Yes that can sound scummy, but we would have to be obscenely stupid to do that if we were mafia. I would expect mafia teams to accuse other teams and throw around suspicion especially if they are in the spotlight. If you lynch us then you get absolutely no information when we flip green. Maybe you can go after team 1, but I think they'll just hide behind the 'lynch the inactive' excuse. I thought the point of the day 1 lynch was to find the role of a team that had supporters and suspicions on people, but apparently I am wrong. Now we must become one of those wishy washy teams that have been moving their vote to keep themselves out of danger (2,7) -flamewheel will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game? Naweezy, don't worry, I got my eye on Team 1. But in general, Team 1's posts >> yours in quality. Activity = more posting = easier reads. That's the basic gist. Therefore, it's in mafia's best interest to post as little as possible. This is a general rule of course. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
Ace is trying to "Force" me to listen to him. lololol. | ||
Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote: zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o. . of course, i think every single player in the game panicks at the thought of dying. Though i suppose i wouldnt mind dying too much if it gave the town some decent info or anything from it, but if we die then flip green what has that gained anyone? id much rather see a red team flip the first day, though i guess the odds are against that and how is that weird, the way ive become active? ive been talking to the person i suspect the most because i want them to talk back alot so i can see if i get anything out of them | ||
johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
how is everyone? To LaXerCannon + Show Spoiler + I don't have much experience with mafia so I'm not sure if this quote is justified. next time i'll just say, this is a random vote to start things off cause that was my real purpose of the vote/postHelps town translate (I for one have no idea what to do with the Di-dit crap). i think helping the town translate shows i'm leaning more pro-town than anti-town because if i was mafia, wouldn't i rather leave the lazy people who stay confused instead of translating the morse code for them???? I feel that they were just joking around and were not claiming medic day 1. I don't think this is a good move as there are inactive people to pressure ( like me ^ ^;; ). it isn't really funny at all or helpful to the town to joke about being the medic. i totally agree with you that it's not a good move. i guess there are good things and bad things that can happen but the combination of their claim and posting history that makes me think it is a mafia ploy to lure out the medic instead of soaking a mafia hit. what if there are actually no medics in this game? then the mafia could potentially create a lot of confusion among the town by just not killing anyone.there is a 50/50 chance that there is a medic in this game and if the mafia members are experienced enough to blend in well, then i think they would make this gambit. | ||
johnnyspazz
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:32 Divinek wrote: of course, i think every single player in the game panicks at the thought of dying. Though i suppose i wouldnt mind dying too much if it gave the town some decent info or anything from it, but if we die then flip green what has that gained anyone? id much rather see a red team flip the first day, though i guess the odds are against that and how is that weird, the way ive become active? ive been talking to the person i suspect the most because i want them to talk back alot so i can see if i get anything out of them Sometimes, you must learn to accept your fate, even if it is death. You can join the Force... It's weird because in the span of like <6 hours, you went from pretty much inactive, to extremely active with you and BM arguing against each other, to you two being buddy-buddy in the final hour... Doesn't that just sound weird? I'm not saying weird as in scummy or any kind of read, but I just find it weird xD. | ||
Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
Like this? | ||
johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:27 flamewheel wrote: I GET IT HE CASTS LIGHTNING! | ||
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote: I'm really not comfortable with staying on team 9, but I'd also rather not switch to team 2, then give us an alternative | ||
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