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Team Melee Mini Mafia
*All questions are to be directed toward me.
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +
Intro:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
This mafia game works slightly different than the normal one (read: Mafia), so I'll explain it a bit more. During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (it's a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Any player with a special role that can act during the night must PM me their actions each and every night.
If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (subject to change)
Posting Etiquette:
In the past, many players have complained or quit because of the excessive badmouthing and pointless flaming. If you are posting aggressively and know you couldn't get away with it anywhere else on this site, it probably definitely isn't okay here. Besides, contrary to what you may think, yelling at someone is a great way to convince people to disagree with your arguments. Please do not post inappropriately, or it will earn you a warning based on mod discretion. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled and banned from future games. Examples of inappropriate posts include excessive cursing and vulgarity, among other things. I have the final say on whether or not a post is inappropriate or not. Be warned, I will be extremely intolerant of flaming this game. You get one warning to cool down, and if it continues actions will be taken. This is supposed to be an objective game, folks. Let's keep it that way.
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games:
1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game.
2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned.
8. There are to be NO private messages this game for most roles. Roles that may PM will be told to them.
9. Private messaging, including IMs / IRC, is allowed between team members, and between Mafia.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in a separate thread, located here. Please keep votes there, and only votes. The third post of this thread will contain the vote count.
2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: ##Vote Qatol. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance.
3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You may vote for yourself if you're crazy. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched over the other person.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled. Please PM me
Modkills:
Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to vote. If you do miss a vote, you will be modkilled. Special consideration will be exercised if a player in danger of being modkilled by this manner has been an active contributor in the thread. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Remember again: abstaining votes are NOT allowed. And once again, flaming is not tolerated. Keep it civil, or else you will receive a quick lightning bolt to the back of the head. Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread per game cycle (from the start of the night to the end of the next day) to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers.
Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game. I am hoping I never have to modkill anyone. I enjoy modkills, please, let me use lightning. Please remain active so I do not have to. However, do not just simply spam one-liners or worthless posts. Strategic modkills are NOT allowed, either. A strategic modkill is defined as anything that will better the position of your team. You cannot threaten with the words "well if you kill X and he's not mafia I'll get myself modkilled" or anything in that vein. Essentially, you may not use your non-majority-decided death as a bargaining chip. If you do happen to be modkilled, you will be put on Qatol's ban list, and cannot play in an "official" game till you have served your sentence.
You have been warned.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/18/lighting2_wideweb__470x332,0.jpg) Something burning-hot and life-ending this way comes.
Signups:
You can sign up either in pairs or individually, but there needs to be at least 18 people for the game to start. If more people want to play, they may request to be added to a pre-existing team. Once we reach 18 players, there will be 24 hours before sign-ups close.
If you sign up as a pair, both of you need to sign up and acknowledge your partner in the thread by posting: Sign up [Your Name] and [Partner Name]
If you sign up individually, you will be placed into a team. Players after 18 will be put into an already existing team of two.
I don't mind you playing other games at the same time. It's not my fault if you're not active though.
Clues:
There are no clues.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a strict 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not around at the deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. The time deadline is 02:00 GMT (+00:00).
Credits:
The list gets too long. Feel free to contribute to it in the future!
Relevant to this game:
1. You may PM your teammates, mafia can all PM each other.
2. Each team is given a role
3. Each person has one vote, the weight of your vote is 1/n where n is the number of people on your team. (Ex. If there are 3 people on your team, your vote counts as 1/3 of a vote.)
4. Each team has one night action (Mafia only has 1KP, and Medics/Detectives only have 1 protect/check per night)
5. All member of your team must post and vote, otherwise your entire team risks being modkilled. I'm changing this with unforeseen problems in mind. Only team members that do not vote and post will be modkilled. If that happens, you lose a fraction of your voting power permanently.
6. Only members who have not posted and voted will be sent to the ban list. Roles are revealed only upon the death of all members of a team.
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Player Roster:
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne (Townie, Night 1)
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu (Townie, Day 1 Lynch)
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk (Durak: Day 2 Modkill)
6. L and Caller (Caller: Day 1 Modkill)
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple (Zyrre: Day 2 Modkill)
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear (stormtemplar and johnnyspazz: Day 2 Modkill)
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek (MooCow: Day 1 Modkill; Townie, Day 2 Lynch)
+ Show Spoiler [Individual Signups] +
1. Bill Murray
2. YellowInk
3. Radfield
4. Korynne
5. Chezinu
6. LaXerCannon
7. Nikon
8. johnnyspazz
9. meeple
10. bumatlarge
11. Ace
12. DCLXVI
13. DarthThienAn
14. Caller
15. BrownBear
16. Zyrre
17. Stormtemplar
18. L
19. Durak
20. MooCow
21. Divinek
9 of 21 players remaining
6 of 9 teams remaining
? of ? Detectives remaining
? of ? Medics remaining
2 of 2 Mafia teams remaining (this includes potential Roleblockers)
? of ? Roleblockers remaining
4 of 7 town-aligned teams remaining
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Being F11, one of the following four setups is to be randomly chosen and used:
+ Show Spoiler [Setup 1] +
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Detective
1 Medic
5 Townies
+ Show Spoiler [Setup 2] +
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies
+ Show Spoiler [Setup 3] +
2 Mafia Goons
1 Detective
6 Townies
+ Show Spoiler [Setup 4] +
2 Mafia Goons
1 Medic
6 Townies
You will not know which setup is chosen.
Roles:
Townie
You are just a normal player with no night actions. All you can do is vote during the day. But the town needs you to win so be active!
Detective
You can make night investigations. Once per night you may ask for the alignment of any player. Alignments are either Town or Mafia. You are always sane. Alignment checks come back with the next day post.
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked if they tried to perform a night action. You do not have to use your action every night.
Role PM Examples:
+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to Team Melee Micro Mafia! Your role is: TowniePM flamewheel if you have any questions about your role. Welcome to Team Melee Micro Mafia! Your role is: Blue RolePM flamewheel if you have any questions about your role.
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+ Show Spoiler [Results of Past Vote Counts] +Day 1: Team 2 (Bill Murray and Chezinu) is lynched. Caller of Team 6 and MooCow of Team 9 are modkilled.
Day 2: Team 9 (DCLXVI and Divinek) is lynched. Durak of Team 5, Zyrre of Team 7, and johnnyspazz and stormtemplar of Team 8 are modkilled.
It is currently Night 2.
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BrownBear is excused from Saturday to Wednesday. The remaining two members of his team, Stormtemplar and johnnyspazz, will continue to operate and be treated as a two-person team until BrownBear returns. BrownBear is back in the game.
Meeple is playing until Wednesday. Afterward, he will be excused from the game and the remaining two members of this team, Nikon and Zyrre, will continue to operate and be treated as a two-person team after Meeple's departure. Meeple has left the game.
Role PMs sent out.
Edited OP to clarify: if you a teammate modkilled, you lose their voting power permanently. Your team's power will not be readjusted.
A special case is to be made for Team 9. MooCow is to be modkilled at the end of Day 1, but his death will not affect his teammates' future voting power. For Day 1 though, each member of Team 9 still only has 1/3 of a vote, or 2 weighted. MooCow is to be placed on the ban list with a warning, not a game ban. MooCow has been modkilled with a warning, and Divinek and DCLXVI now have 3 weighted votes each.
I'm going to be away from my computer for probably the next 60 hours, so I gave Korynne her game back. Send stuff to her for the time being!
-__- inactivity and Korynne.
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do you send it to chezinu first or to me first
i am super pumped for this
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Yay flamewheel is soo organized. ^^;; Can't wait for this to start. =D
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I'm looking forward to the day that I'll be in this... hopefully my teammates can pick up my slack!!
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Perhaps only 1 person per team should receive the "true" role, then decide whether to lie to their teammates or not. Ex: you're mafia but think you're town. LoL.
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It's going to be confusing keeping track of all the groups.
Do you guys think every group of people should have a number or name?
Ex: Before I post something I put
DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Team or whatever name/number we want.
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I'm bored, sending out role PMs now. Good luck have fun, manner please, all that good stuff.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy.
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Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon.
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And so it begins.
So exciting to see the 1 New PM at the top when you're signed up for a mafia game 
What's the purpose of the mafia roleblocker in Setup 2 that flamewheel posted? It seems like he wont be able to block anything.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
So that the mafia doesn't know if there are blue roles or not.
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Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups.
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Let's call ourselves Bum-Cannon 
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Poll: Do you want an opening post (story) or not?Cap dat ass (10) 91% Ah hell no (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Do you want an opening post (story) or not? (Vote): Cap dat ass
(Vote): Ah hell no
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Story time!
I didn't realize we had such a small amount of teams.. guess that's why the word Mini is there!
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I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do..
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AWESOME I WILL GET BACK IN TIME FOR THIS YAY
(is on pirated internet at a bookstore, hehe )
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Didn't see this till now. Actually I like the idea of it because it (theoretically) reduces the damage done by the inactivity factor. Although with picking your own teams you did get some activity imbalances. Like Radfield/Korynne and Ace/DarthThienAn. This should be interesting. I just hope some of these teams don't go inactive
On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do..
Actually you probably would have been able to find more ppl. As long as you aren't picky about players. Which in this setup isn't as crucial.
Also LOL at BM + Chez
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Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP
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On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP
Too late
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![[image loading]](http://gromland.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/detective1.jpg)
Day 1:
It was a dark time for regular games. Theme games ran amok, terrorizing the forum with their imbalances and broken game strategies. Just a month ago, everything had been… fine. The hints were subtle, but they were there—the theme games originated from something… ominous. Something evil stalked the forum at night, threatening to topple the games of old. If the themes were to have their way, soon the forum would devolve into a lawless place that relied more upon finding and abusing role powers instead of using character analysis to outwit one’s enemy. Something had to be done, and for the last two weeks Detectives Incognito and flamewheel had been working (almost) around the clock in order to get to the bottom of this. The two had frequented bars, taverns, smoke-filled clubhouses, slowly piecing the clues together.
Last night, the two Private Eyes believed they had made a breakthrough. After the sun went down and the town went to sleep, the two investigators traveled stealthily to the darkest and shadiest part of town, a rundown district with seedy corners and dingy bars. As the two trenchcoats walked through the streets, many questioning eyes turned in their direction, but after giving the two a once-over, most patrons of the night went back to their questionable activities.
Most.
From the alleyways, the shadows, an indeterminate number of black-clad figures watched the two heroes pass by, carefully following the Detectives as silently as wraiths. Incognito and flamewheel didn’t have a clue that they were being followed as they stopped in front of a dusty coffee brewery.
Incognito looked at flamewheel, and drew his gun. flamewheel nodded in silent acquiescence, and swiftly kicked the door in. The two ran inside, and the black shadows followed.
Snooping through the brewery, Incognito and flamewheel found… nothing. After more than an hour of fruitless searching, they were about ready to give up. Then, flamewheel noticed a light, dim but noticeable, emanating from the brewery’s office. Cautiously, the two Detectives approached the door, and opened it slowly.
Inside the office sat Qatol and Ver. Well, ‘sat’ is a very loosely defined term. The two were bound to the desk, with copious amounts of duct tape covering their mouths. As Incognito and flamewheel worked to remove the gags, something caught Incognito’s attention. He squinted out of the office. What was that? A fleeting shadow—nothing more than a rat. He went back to work.
Ver and Qatol were eventually able to talk again, and the news they heralded was not good.
Qatol, upon being freed, gasped immediately: “No! Go back! This is a trap! The culprit is…”
Ver laughed uncontrollably, interrupting Qatol midsentence. “Ahahaha, it is me, I tell you! All me! I am the mastermind!”
Incognito and flamewheel looked at each other questionably, but before they could interrogate the two suspects… both died.
Poisoned.
And then the laughing started. Softly at first, naught but a chuckle. Then, the sound grew louder and more cacophonous, as more voices joined in, shrieking their mirth at the hapless heroes.
Incognito and flamewheel then heard it—a soft ticking noise. How had they missed it beforehand? The two Detectives backed away from the dead bodies of Qatol and Ver, and started for the door.
The laughing continued.
The ticking grew louder.
Incognito and flamewheel made it out of the door alive, and the building exploded behind them. The two kept running, and it looked like they would be able to make their escape.
However, of course that is not to be the case.
It was not a disaster that stopped them. Not a bullet, nor a knife. Not a well-placed blowdart. Instead, it was a common street lamp. As they neared it, running at full speed, Incognito decided to go right, and flamewheel left.
But of course, being of one body and two minds, the Detective hit the pole at full speed.
Clunk.
And then lightning struck.
Trailing behind them, still hidden in the shadows, the wraiths paused, and murmured amongst themselves.
“Well, I guess Mother Nature did our work for us…”
They stalked away silently, still chortling quietly.
Who will stop the themes now?
The game is now “officially” underway. The first deadline to vote will be in 48 hours time, on Thursday, Jun 24 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). Remember, vote and post to avoid being modkilled.
Voting thread located here.
And please, keep it civil.
This thrilling tale was brought to you the society of “I don’t like theme games”: keeping things standard since 2010.
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See its too late I'm dead
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10/10 Incognito, you were indeed the sane half.
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As the polite, sane, and civil half, I would like to say without consulting the other half that I am here.
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I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now.
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I voted for johnnyspazz because trying to get rid of caller + me within an hour of the game starting means you're mafia.
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1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
On a more serious note, teams 2, 3, 5 and 8 (until BB returns) have a high chance of inactivity or feigning inactivity. Out of these teams if we're going to pick the standard shoot someone on day 1 if they're quiet or are normally quiet route, we should probably shoot 2 or 8.
2. because retard super armor is really hard to break.
8. because spazz obviously mafia for trying to shoot me.
That said, inactivity should be less of an issue with teams having 2 players per unit, so we might want to use another barometer to determine who we're going to shoot. We could go after lowest aggregate post quality or something similar.
In terms of team balancing, most of the teams are roughly equivalent in terms of skill, with at least 1 decent to good player per team. Because of that I don't think we can make very many mafia team composition judgments just yet.
The following are players I'm not 100% sure about, style and skillwise.
3. LaXerCannon, bumatlarge
5. Durak
7. Zyrre
8. Stormtemplar, BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, Divinek
The rest I know pretty well from reading prior games and such. Since I've got work tomorrow and won't be able to devote 4 hours to readin' stuff, if anyone can write a short summary of these players (if you've played w/ them before) in terms of skill level + playstyle, that would be tits.
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Of that list, the only people I dont know are storm and durak, im very certain the others are very active
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bumatlarge played a good mafia in Flamewheel's game, I believe for the most part he wasn't suspicious until really late in the game but I died near the start so not 100% sure.
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On June 22 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Of that list, the only people I dont know are storm and durak, im very certain the others are very active
On June 22 2010 12:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Of that list, the only people I dont know are storm and durak, im very certain the others are very active
You weren't too active yourself, but you were mafia. Brownbear had spurts of activity, then cut off randomly. LaXercannon and Zyrre were somewhat active, if I remember correctly they made some decent posts. Moocow was killed in a most amusing fashion early on, so not sure what to say about him. Here is our (most recent) game if someone who wasn't in it cares to evaluate: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127781
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Indeed, I was mafia, so I didn't feel the need to be too active with crate and darth running around willy nilly.
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I almost caused town to lose the game >___________>
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Oh my, what do we have here
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holy crap L is on my team what the hell
it's like someone surgically attached a girl from my university to me.
Not only am I unable to remove a festering parasite without killing myself, but it has decided to monopolize my life in the process.
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Greetings everyone! At least this one didn't start on the holiday.
So day 1 lynch. We're in the random voting stage I guess. I don't know most of you guys yet - just what the rumor mill churns up. I'm not about to read 20 games to try to get backstory. I have read a couple though just to get my feet wet.
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.
And now for some ideas on where to throw our day 1 lynch:
Seems a bad idea to lynch Radfield since he gets killed night 1 or lynched day 2 (since obv mafia). Though I wouldn't autolynch Radfield on day 2 either because I think Radfield makes an excellent medic target. Lets let the mafia play the guessing game with this one as to whether we have a medic and whether that medic will choose to protect this target.
Since Chezinu seems to love the PM game, he may be easier to read when forced to play an entirely in thread game. So I'd be leaning against lynching him.
I could be swayed to lynch LaXer since as a townie he did hurt the town pretty badly by roleclaiming as a bodyguard. Not much of a reason, but it's the best I've got on a clean slate board. If he's town he can't PM anyone anyhow and Bum would be able to help ensure that if they are medic or DT that they use it effectively. I guess this will be ok.
I know Ace always gets the detective role. Unless I missed it somewhere, roles are not necessarily random (please correct this point if it was stated they would be random somewhere). They may have been assigned 'for entertainment value'. Not something I'd put too much stock into, but I know I'd find it amusing if Ace were DT after posting in my (first) game that he hates DT. So I'm inclined to not pick him for day 1 either.
I'd be against lynching L because the one game I read with him in it where he was a godfather calling for people to roleclaim I thought it was super obvious that he was mafia. Not to say that he's always super obvious about being mafia, but I definitely would rather be trying to read someone that I thought couldn't hide it as well than someone random.
We probably shouldn't lynch teams 7. 8, or 9 on day 1 (unless they are inactive) since we can hold them to a higher threshold of activity. With three players on each team, we should expect them to produce more posts. Since these three teams will be forced to produce more posts, it'll be easier to get mafia reads on them.
I'd like to target a team with an inactive player (surely no entire team will be inactive, right?). If we have every player active, then I guess LaXer would be my vote, but I don't think this will happen. We need to ensure that we don't let a mafia team skate by with an inactive player keeping their team's post count down.
So lets start hearing what people have to say!
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After a long and arduous conversation with Incognito that involved red, blue, green, coffee, bars, and paranoid schizophrenics, I've decided to change a way night actions and modkills are dealt with. To remove volatility, teams with night actions that experience modkills still have the full use of their night action.
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Something tells me we won't have alot of inactivity this game, and I don't think letting 3 player teams have a safeguard against lynching because they have a much less likely chance of being inactive, but rather that people on tri-teams will get lazy in their posting. Dual-teams are more likely to give better results as they have more weight. But I see what you are saying, I'd just like to not discriminate in that regard.
I think it's fairly silly to also not lynch ace for the sole reason of getting the DT role alot. Roles are random, so he has as much chance as anybody. But I'd rather not lynch competent people either. Mafia will do that for us >
Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by.
I'm not going to be lynching my own teammate thank you very much.
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chezinu is easier to read because i'm here obviously
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Actually I don't get the DT role that often. I don't really like the role that much because most people are terrible when they get it.
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The reason I give a better pass to the 3 player teams is because if any single player goes inactive, I want to hunt down that team for it. This goes for the tri teams as well - so in a way they are more vulnerable to this kind of scrutiny. If everyone is active, these tri teams will be putting more posts out, so they'll be easier to read.
So my initial pass on them is because they'll either get hunted for inactivity or they'll be churning up more material to read. I think they're in a worse position from the outset, so I'm kind of trying to balance that in my thoughts.
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I think you guys are makign a mistake. Just because a team has two people doesn't mean they will generate more or less content, or that sharing a role means they will act a certain way. I think almost everyone is going to play standard because sharing a role doesn't imply a change in posting behavior.
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putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure
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just trying very hard to look at it from the perspective of someone who isn't a scummer........ oh chez where are you when i need you
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Hi guys, I just want everyone to know that the lack of PMs will never stop me from privately talking to those I love!
I <3 .-...!
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I can't take the silence, you don't like me when I am in the silence! BILL MURRAY WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO!!! Who will maintain my sanity! Please someone talk to me!!!
Dear .-...,
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I think I need to stop posting before my other half sees what I have done... Hopefully, he isn't gong to be too mad.. I'm now wondering if Ace is right..
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hey at least that last one didnt break lay out for me
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On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.
why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this?
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YI said:
If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by,
So I guess he means if both are somewhat inactive.
Even so, a team with one good player and one inactive should be looked upon as a single good player for a regular game in my opinion. We don't gain anything from lynching the inactive half do we?
Maybe looking at them slightly more suspicious, but not much.
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Btw just pointing out that since flamewheel is running this game the chances of randomly picked roles and setup is 99.99999%.
I only fix publicly available information (teams) for greatest entertainment value. xP
My thoughts on first day lynch:
1. If there is an inactive group, lynch them.
2. If not, lynch the group that is hardest to read, though this is kinda hard to determine, so to speak. I'm sure it doesn't help that I fooled everyone in BM's game that I wasn't mafia. xP
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It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD
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On June 22 2010 12:35 L wrote:
The following are players I'm not 100% sure about, style and skillwise...
3. LaXerCannon, bumatlarge
5. Durak
7. Zyrre
8. Stormtemplar, BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, Divinek
The rest I know pretty well from reading prior games and such. Since I've got work tomorrow and won't be able to devote 4 hours to readin' stuff, if anyone can write a short summary of these players (if you've played w/ them before) in terms of skill level + playstyle, that would be tits.
Hi! This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. I don't think I have a playstyle yet because I haven't played.
I don't know who you are either but I think it's very suitable that your name is L. You started running the game with the first big post about what we should do as our detective. You seem to be Chill of the mafia forum. :D
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Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time.
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chezinu why do you need L you have Bill
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Im offended by your statement!
We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one
So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis.
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On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on. why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this?
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game.
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On June 23 2010 02:06 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on. why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this? It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game. If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use. Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else. Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game.
since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ?
I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.
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well hopefully if im to up my activity ill spam so much ill confuse myself
nothing like colour coding dah posts too
omg the spoilers
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BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff*
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Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role.
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Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role.
Make yourself expendable
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On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:
since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team?
Yes.
if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game?
You’re going to need to stop muddying the waters with your code if you want me to reply to you. Why are you calling me an article of clothing? What is a yellow turban supposed to mean?
such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ?
I think my posts are doing a decent job of drawing out scummy accusations. People are generating suspicion based on my words.
I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.
At this point, I don’t actually believe you have a red read on me. I don’t know if that means you’re red yourself or just trying to draw something out of me that might actually give you a red read.
That being said, the coded messages are obnoxious. Knock it off. I want to be able to go back and reread the thread without having memorized or kept notes or retranslate every single code that you and your buddy decide to post. All they do is muddy the water – something scummy players love to do when they can make it appear innocuous.
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Also i tend to really agree with bm's line of reasoning here.
'hey guys this is what we should do to catch dem red fellars.. right?' seems quite suspicious enough to cast my random vote
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God damn phone. The anal spamming doesnt help us :/
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YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list.
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Flamewheel can put a the town list in the OP of the vote thread? it would make life easier for me, and I dont want to get in trouble. Sorry yellow but your looking pretty viable for a first lynch as of now...
and no "I know im not mafia therefore I am not mafia" logic please lol
Still not going to bandwagon just yet from a team who has that cheezenoodle guy on it
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On June 23 2010 02:25 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:
since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? Yes. Show nested quote + if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? You’re going to need to stop muddying the waters with your code if you want me to reply to you. Why are you calling me an article of clothing? What is a yellow turban supposed to mean? Show nested quote + such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I think my posts are doing a decent job of drawing out scummy accusations. People are generating suspicion based on my words. Show nested quote +I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.
At this point, I don’t actually believe you have a red read on me. I don’t know if that means you’re red yourself or just trying to draw something out of me that might actually give you a red read. That being said, the coded messages are obnoxious. Knock it off. I want to be able to go back and reread the thread without having memorized or kept notes or retranslate every single code that you and your buddy decide to post. All they do is muddy the water – something scummy players love to do when they can make it appear innocuous.
Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness?
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On June 23 2010 02:37 bumatlarge wrote:Flamewheel can put a the town list in the OP of the vote thread? it would make life easier for me, and I dont want to get in trouble. Sorry yellow but your looking pretty viable for a first lynch as of now... and no "I know im not mafia therefore I am not mafia" logic please lol Still not going to bandwagon just yet from a team who has that cheezenoodle guy on it
This isn't a noob game. I'm not about to run to the mountaintops screaming "I'm town I'm town!" and expect it to hold any weight. Also, the game isn't large enough to even consider this kind of strategy even if it were a noob game.
It's very kind of you to not bandwagon me just yet. It does make you sound a little less bloodthirsty, no? I fear you will not like my response.
On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis.
While your thoughts here are fair that we need to get on with targeting people for lynching, you propose a truly awful strategy. First, a 9 player game can last about 4 days. Essentially what you are suggesting is that the DT not reveal until the endgame. While this can be a decent idea, it really entirely depends on the circumstances. If the DT finds a townie and says X is a townie on day 2, this can be very helpful depending on the setup. The mafia can only kill one person. I don’t think the DT should do this sort of thing unless person X or the DT is about to get hung, though. Once the DT comes out, they’re either going to get hit or roleblocked the following night.
This brings me to the second point in your strategy. You talk about a medic protecting the DT. If there is both a medic and a DT in the game, the mafia will know it because they have a roleblocker. In such a case, the mafia would almost surely roleblock the DT to prevent any further info gathering and kill someone else in hopes to hit the medic. This renders the DT wholly ineffective and the medic, at best, is on their own. This is the purpose of the existence of the mafia roleblocker.
The way this is all presented makes me think that you already know these things and furthermore that you have a roleblocker on your team. I’ll be opening up my voting by casting it for Bumatlarge.
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Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
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On June 23 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 02:37 bumatlarge wrote:Flamewheel can put a the town list in the OP of the vote thread? it would make life easier for me, and I dont want to get in trouble. Sorry yellow but your looking pretty viable for a first lynch as of now... and no "I know im not mafia therefore I am not mafia" logic please lol Still not going to bandwagon just yet from a team who has that cheezenoodle guy on it This isn't a noob game. I'm not about to run to the mountaintops screaming "I'm town I'm town!" and expect it to hold any weight. Also, the game isn't large enough to even consider this kind of strategy even if it were a noob game. It's very kind of you to not bandwagon me just yet. It does make you sound a little less bloodthirsty, no? I fear you will not like my response. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. While your thoughts here are fair that we need to get on with targeting people for lynching, you propose a truly awful strategy. First, a 9 player game can last about 4 days. Essentially what you are suggesting is that the DT not reveal until the endgame. While this can be a decent idea, it really entirely depends on the circumstances. If the DT finds a townie and says X is a townie on day 2, this can be very helpful depending on the setup. The mafia can only kill one person. I don’t think the DT should do this sort of thing unless person X or the DT is about to get hung, though. Once the DT comes out, they’re either going to get hit or roleblocked the following night. This brings me to the second point in your strategy. You talk about a medic protecting the DT. If there is both a medic and a DT in the game, the mafia will know it because they have a roleblocker. In such a case, the mafia would almost surely roleblock the DT to prevent any further info gathering and kill someone else in hopes to hit the medic. This renders the DT wholly ineffective and the medic, at best, is on their own. This is the purpose of the existence of the mafia roleblocker. The way this is all presented makes me think that you already know these things and furthermore that you have a roleblocker on your team. I’ll be opening up my voting by casting it for Bumatlarge.
Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker
They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything
WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all
I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
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BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread.
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On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread.
you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams?
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@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine.
I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Encoding messages in a way that anyone is able to decode is ridiculous and slows down analysis processes. A mafia team is going to have 4-6 players to work at decoding and organizing where any town team is going to have 2-3 players. Mafia will have this information at the ready much more effectively.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes?
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Wow this forum is annoying to use when the post speed goes up. Why don't we get a warning or something that more people have posted since you started typing? More posting to follow.
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On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote:
I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes?
@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine.
The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed.
I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy.
Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone.
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On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker
They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything
WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all
I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
If the mafia have a roleblocker, they know that either there is no DT and no medic, or there is both a DT AND a medic. The post of bumatlarge seems to indicate that he is on a mafia team with a roleblocker and is giving poor advice under the assumption that both a medic and a DT exist. If there is a DT and no medic, the mafia just hit the DT and there’s no protection, still a win for mafia.
If it is the case that there is no DT and no medic, the mafia can still play as though they exist to the same extent that all the other townies can play as though they assume a DT to exist, so it does not hurt their position.
I never advised the DT ‘not to go lategame’. My point is that one should not hold to a prescribed theory of when to out ones self as a DT. Making such restrictions causes undue suspicion if a DT is in a position where they role claim ‘not on time’ by public opinion. Furthermore, if the DT is listening to bad advice of roleclaiming at a particular time, they are restricting themselves from options that could benefit the town more effectively.
At this point I’m becoming indifferent on hanging BM vs bumatlarge. I highly suspect one, but not both, of them are mafia. This is way too aggressive to be a fully mafia gambit on day 1. If there’s a DT in this game it’d just get them rooted out way too quickly. Since bumatlarge has been the less aggressive player and following the lead that BM put out, I’m still inclined towards lynching bumatlarge.
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What is OMGUS? I assume RVS is random voting stage?
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On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams?
Uh, how does this post make any sense?
a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster.
b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia?
Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?)
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On June 23 2010 02:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role.
Is this a challenge?
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The OTHER HALF DISAGREES!!! DT should role check a mafia tonight and yell and scream mafia all night long so that in the morning we can lynch the mafia. Then when day comes you should yell and scream and taunt mafia not to kill you out of spite. Then rolecheck the next mafia while pming the vigi to kill the last mafia. then lol all night long and say gg and exclaim that the person you rolechecked is mafia all the while quoting random quotes in the thread produced by mafia saying that is what gave them away and calling yourself a mad detective. But then again, achieving near impossible odds although is fun and rewarding could be too risky for the cowardly. So as bumatlarge pointed out, if you are mafia or DT YOU MUST NOT FEAR DEATH! That is the way of the townie and the way to disguise as a townie... not that I'm doing that right now... hehe
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Murray, where are you? Every time I'm on you seem to be away... Don't you care about me? I'm so lonely without my other half.. Can someone talk to me?
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Radfield
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Oh Chez....
Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot).
So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3)
and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive)
and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead)
Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated)
As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc.
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So, if YellowInk and I are on the same team, am I crazy too? J'accuse LaXerCannon and bumatlarge because they are mysteriously silent. I guess I need to back this up with some persuasive colour and indisputable facts. They have an 11% chance of being mafia.
P.S. I didn't follow any of Radfield's first paragraph. Just let me know what to do
Edit: Damn, bumatlarge posting right after me undermines my flawless logic. Maybe it was planned!?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Relevant to this game:
1. You may PM your teammates, mafia can all PM each other.
2. Each team is given a role
3. Each person has one vote, the weight of your vote is 1/n where n is the number of people on your team. (Ex. If there are 3 people on your team, your vote counts as 1/3 of a vote.)
4. Each team has one night action (Mafia only has 1KP, and Medics/Detectives only have 1 protect/check per night)
5. All member of your team must post and vote, otherwise your entire team risks being modkilled. [i]I'm changing this with unforeseen problems in mind. Only team members that do not vote and post will be modkilled. If that happens, you lose a fraction of your voting power.
6. Only members who have not posted and voted will be sent to the ban list. Roles are revealed only upon the death of all members of a team.
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I dare you cheezenoddle. Your Yoda mind games wont work on me *stink eye*
by night three, mafia has a little less then 50% chance of hitting a a blue if there is one , and considerably higher chance if there are two. In other games I would advise a lategame strategy, but this game should be shorter then usual. The only reason I appear scummy is that I responded to your assumptions of who should be lynched based on the amount of people in each team and whether or not to lynch certain people based on what roles they have gotten previously. Lynching by posting history is a far superior plan then this.
DT cant rolecheck a townie and then PM them, right? So the only use os knowing a regular townie for the public is that it's one less person we'd mistaken lynch. And the only way that would be revealed is if a DT would sacrifice himself... because if we have a medic and a DT then they have a RBer and thats a dead DT, (therefore a DT should only reveal with a mafia in his hand). Then the townie would be an easy target later but there is still the medic.
I just put my vote for yellow as a placeholder until a better candidate comes up, which will be most likely some inactive he hops on a BWagon late with no excuse I guess.
Please keep you vote on me yellow if you are mafia, because that makes it easier for the town if I get lynched. If you back off, I'll gladly take my heat off you and let the majority decide. I'm ready to die cheezenoodle.
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Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D=
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Aw it looks like I copied radfield boooo you stole my thought process.
And durak I sure am being mysteriously silent to hide my batman persoan you + Show Spoiler +
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So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter.
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Durak, please don't get us modkilled. No edits. Ever.
@OMGUS idea: My voting for bumatlarge was not OMGUS. Once bumatlarge made the post I quoted I was almost assuredly going to vote for him on it. I waited a bit and was hoping someone else would call him out on it first as I would feel more confident that they are town - assuming bumatlarge does, in fact, turn up red.
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On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter.
Chezinu has posted quite a bit but not a single thing of merit. The most content he posted was the video on being unreadable. It sure is easy to be unreadable when you don't post any content.
Chez, you going to join BM's attack on me or do you have opinions of your own? Sorry you're so lonely, but I'm not going to talk Morse to you.
Honestly there is a whole lot of inactivity in this thread. The list is long. This disturbs me greatly.
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YellowInk, let's say that through analysis I have a guess that a team is either the DT or Mafia. Should I reveal this team? I can't seem to think of a way to communicate to them personally. So what is your advice on this matter?
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BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
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On June 23 2010 05:10 Chezinu wrote:
YellowInk, let's say that through analysis I have a guess that a team is either the DT or Mafia. Should I reveal this team? I can't seem to think of a way to communicate to them personally. So what is your advice on this matter?
Personally I would not act and continue to read. There are commonly tells in DT behavior (if they're not laying too low) that distinguish them from mafia when you compare one day to the next.
If they're laying too low it becomes difficult to make any distinction even between mafia and town. It is for this reason that I advocate activity in every single player.
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Your basis for voting me off is for disargeeing with you about taking completely chance based guesses and suggesting an "awful" DT plan? Please clarify why it is awful, as I think a DT for one mafia in this game is preferable.
And it hasn't even been close to 24 hours yet, with 48 hours til verdict, correct? People have jobs and lives, and if I did not have this phone I wouldn't have been able to make more then 2 posts since the game started.
I do agree with korynne that all this blame is a bit quick, and from yellows history, he makes very randomly good and then inocous posts. I'd much rather find some glaringly obvious lurker, but we'll have to wait.
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On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter.
I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look.
However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early.
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On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
Problem: there are no sides. It's not one or the other.
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I guess I should post what I know:
Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules..
Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT
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On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT
How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum.
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On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early.
Ace, why has your opinion about me change now that we are playing this game?
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On June 23 2010 05:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum.
and the fact that I could be a blue role
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I just know it is a trend that blue/mafia players like to discuss blue roles a lot in mafia games. Blue role would want advice from other on what he or she should do. While mafia would want to give bad advice/discover blue roles.
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Plus they were way to excited once game started. Unless, that was intentional to throw mafia off.
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On June 23 2010 05:26 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early. Ace, why has your opinion about me change now that we are playing this game?
I've said that you were useless for like what, the past 8 months now? This isn't a new opinion at all.
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On June 23 2010 05:30 Chezinu wrote:
I just know it is a trend that blue/mafia players like to discuss blue roles a lot in mafia games. Blue role would want advice from other on what he or she should do. While mafia would want to give bad advice/discover blue roles.
That doesn't mean it's them telling on themselves that they are blue. Both of them aren't typical dumb players that ask questions leading to them being outted. Besides just because someone talks about a power role is not a good basis on putting them in the Mafia or Blue camp. Otherwise for all the games you've played you would have a better scum hunting rank don't you think?
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@chezinu
why do you want to reveal radfield/korynne if (by your recent posts) you seem to think that they are more likely a blue role? I cannot see that as beneficial for the town or you.
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On June 23 2010 04:59 YellowInk wrote:Durak, please don't get us modkilled. No edits. Ever.
My bad! Won't do it again. Habit.
As a side note, I now have some power over you!
On June 23 2010 04:36 bumatlarge wrote:Aw it looks like I copied radfield boooo you stole my thought process. And durak I sure am being mysteriously silent to hide my batman persoan you + Show Spoiler +
I'm Batman. I want to know why you're trying to pretend you're someone who you're not.
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Wow Chez, that is possibly the worst analysis I have ever seen... I'll post my comments in green so it's easier to see.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: Awww, I like the name change, it's cute. xP Shouldn't it be Radynne and Korfield or something though? xD+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... Well I don't know why Radfield is excited, but I created this game so I'm personally very excited to see how it goes.On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? I prefer smaller games in general, it makes it easier for me to get a read on everyone. This is like, a big small game because there's 9 teams but like 20 people... so like, I'm excited, basically. xPOn June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... I don't believe I understand you very well yet Chezinu, that I agree with. xDOn June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? No, I don't think I know Chill or L enough to make a statement. I will consult more veteran members of the community to find an answer.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? I don't suppose this is something I can argue against... though it does make quite a few of us feel less fun because we have to click spoilers and find morse code translators on google.On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... I have read very little of games prior to my existence on the mafia forum. But pretty much followed every game since (though I don't follow the games I don't play in as much). I've also read/watched RoTK so I know what Yellow Turbans are...On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... I guess that's not a very good assumption I made there...On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? That was in response to YellowInk asking what OMGUS meant.On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. Radfield's pretty cool, that's why I asked him to join my team. =DOn June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. I do not speak for Sir Radfield, but it disappoints me to see that he has not read the rules, and I have expressed this in a previous post.Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT Wait...what? How does that end up as mafia or DT? Would someone smarter than me enlighten me on how this makes us mafia or dt? >_>
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On June 23 2010 05:27 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum. and the fact that I could be a blue role
Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green?
If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks.
At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them.
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This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over
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On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early.
I believe we shouldn't vote off useless people unless it's to the point that it hinders the town's progress. That being said, they're next to go if we can't get any good behavioral analysis.
To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed.
For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)
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On June 23 2010 05:42 bumatlarge wrote:
This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over
You're already in a hidey-hole and I'm not such a big fan of that. If you are in fact the red one, letting heat settle on BM/Chez plays right into your hands. This is why I targeted you for being the less active of the bunch.
If you're town, you should be either taking a closer look at me/BM or at least someone active... or at the absolute least hollaring for inactive players to step up. Hidey-holes don't fit into a town aligned plan at all.
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Though I think that bumatlarge is currently the most likely red player currently, I don't want that to allow a lot of these quieter players to stay quiet. This thread is being dominated by a few players - maybe all town going at each other's throats. We need to hear arguments presented by more people.
@Chez analysis stuff - I think Kor is town aligned. Been posting, though not very aggressive in drawing out info from others. I at least lean more town for this one than with the other teams that havn't been posting. I don't really agree with your blue conclusions, though pointing things like this out serves only to assist the mafia in choosing targets. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they had already taken note of such things.
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I expect he wants them to talk more for him to analyze before taking action.
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On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:
For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)
not to say don't check us, but this logic is wrong. I would think it to be easier to read three people rather than just two.
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On June 23 2010 05:30 Chezinu wrote:
I just know it is a trend that blue/mafia players like to discuss blue roles a lot in mafia games. Blue role would want advice from other on what he or she should do. While mafia would want to give bad advice/discover blue roles.
On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:
To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed.
For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)
lol!
also, bm and chez, i decoded your messages and have to the conclusion you are blue!
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On June 23 2010 05:56 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:
For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules) not to say don't check us, but this logic is wrong. I would think it to be easier to read three people rather than just two.
Agreed. I also think the way it works is that Teams check Teams, not players checking players. So checking 1 person out a 3 person team isn't really a significant advantage or disadvantage.
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On June 23 2010 06:07 Ace wrote:
Agreed. I also think the way it works is that Teams check Teams, not players checking players. So checking 1 person out a 3 person team isn't really a significant advantage or disadvantage.
haha imagine a team of 3 getting 3 dt checks a night, wouldn't that be something 
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I haven't had a chance to analyse any of the posters so far but I see that YI thinks bumatlarge is mafia and BM is accusing YI of being mafia.
I agree with others that BM/Chez posts a lot of random and a weak argument for lynching YI but the band wagon seems to be either lynch YI or BM.
If either or flips green we check the other party if they turn red we can trust that they are pro town.
@Jspazz can you post what you translated that made you believe that BM/chez is blue?
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On June 23 2010 06:14 MooCow wrote:
@Jspazz can you post what you translated that made you believe that BM/chez is blue?
yeah we're too lazy to do translate it ourselves
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So I was trying to put together a list of how many posts people made and I'm having trouble with the search function. For instance I do a search on LaXerCannon and it shows the last post he made in this thread as #38. I don't remember having a problem with this before. Anyone have any ideas?
At any rate, I want to start fingering people who havn't been talking.
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I'm still waiting for L to come post and put order to town. Oh and how is one vote on each of BM and yellowink considered a bandwagon? I still think everything is up in the air.
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On June 23 2010 06:18 YellowInk wrote:
So I was trying to put together a list of how many posts people made and I'm having trouble with the search function. For instance I do a search on LaXerCannon and it shows the last post he made in this thread as #38. I don't remember having a problem with this before. Anyone have any ideas?
At any rate, I want to start fingering people who havn't been talking.
I agree with this action. You are seeming more and more town to me. BM never told me that he thought you were mafia, btw. I think he was just accusing to get reactions, unless I'm wrong. BM please PM me, thanks.
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On June 23 2010 06:18 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still waiting for L to come post and put order to town. Oh and how is one vote on each of BM and yellowink considered a bandwagon? I still think everything is up in the air.
The word bandwagon may be a bit strong but it's how it starts right?!
You don't seem to be as crazy as the previous game I played with you. 
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On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect?
On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt.
On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s.
On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
oh man i feel like a detective!
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hm well the chez/bill team seems to be the most active team overall so far so maybe that's an indication of a role outside dah greeeeeeeeeen, especially all of the emotionally fueled responses and random picking aparts of other people. Unless that's some weird townee level which would be stupid
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Well I think BM and Chez are just kind of crazy and post a lot anyway... I don't really know how to read them. =\
By the way people you lynch teams, not people. xD The only case where one person and not their whole team dies is to modkills, in which case their alignment is not revealed.
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well it'd be kinda silly for them to post so much as townees especially in that fashion unless they get some sick enjoyment out of confusing people
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or are red obviously, but it's hard to tell yet
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On June 23 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote:
hm well the chez/bill team seems to be the most active team overall so far so maybe that's an indication of a role outside dah greeeeeeeeeen, especially all of the emotionally fueled responses and random picking aparts of other people. Unless that's some weird townee level which would be stupid
Define active? You think this posting in code in thread is helpful to the town? They could just be PMing to each other. Clearly they intend for it to be read, they're just making it difficult for every town team to pick it apart. It muddies the waters. I'm not saying it makes them scum, but I surely don't count this sort of posting as making them active.
BM coming after me, Chez's question for me, Chez posting resulting opinion of me, etc - this is substance. The codes are trash. So I agree with you that they're being active, you should be careful to observe for the correct reasons. Use similar reasoning when you look at others - find posts that have merit and only consider them.
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On June 23 2010 06:49 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote:
hm well the chez/bill team seems to be the most active team overall so far so maybe that's an indication of a role outside dah greeeeeeeeeen, especially all of the emotionally fueled responses and random picking aparts of other people. Unless that's some weird townee level which would be stupid Define active? You think this posting in code in thread is helpful to the town? They could just be PMing to each other. Clearly they intend for it to be read, they're just making it difficult for every town team to pick it apart. It muddies the waters. I'm not saying it makes them scum, but I surely don't count this sort of posting as making them active. BM coming after me, Chez's question for me, Chez posting resulting opinion of me, etc - this is substance. The codes are trash. So I agree with you that they're being active, you should be careful to observe for the correct reasons. Use similar reasoning when you look at others - find posts that have merit and only consider them.
well im just saying it makes it far less likely they're townees, they could be blue or red, but why would townees be so self destructive as to make wild baseless allegations and hinder the team by causing too much confusion. Obvisouly attacking someone can draw out reactions but yeah, it just leans me more to thinking they're not green and being mindful for that
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i said nothing about the code btw i think it's stupid as well
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On June 23 2010 06:58 Divinek wrote:
i said nothing about the code btw i think it's stupid as well
Do you think it is stupid because I mentioned you in the code?
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On June 23 2010 06:46 Korynne wrote:
Well I think BM and Chez are just kind of crazy and post a lot anyway... I don't really know how to read them. =\
By the way people you lynch teams, not people. xD The only case where one person and not their whole team dies is to modkills, in which case their alignment is not revealed.
thanks for clearing this up, I got confused by the people voting in the voting thread X_X
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Rawr. I arrive. Been busy. I’ll do this in my usual style, everything chronologically, replying to posts as I read them in order, skipping over things that I think are irrelevant, already answered, or not significant enough to reply to. Sorry if I repeat what other people say.
+ Show Spoiler +Page 1: nothing of significance, except a review of the setup. Day 1 Post – 10/10 flamewheel ^_^ On June 22 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now. This post is absolutely retarded. I don’t believe in killing solely based on past games. Furthermore, the blatant aggressiveness and “I attracted too much attention to be mafia” doesn’t hold here, simple because I think 40-60% of the players here would actually go along with that, which means it could be a mafia plot to get rid of L/Caller early. Red flag for johnnyspazz. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 12:35 L wrote:Show nested quote +1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek On a more serious note, teams 2, 3, 5 and 8 (until BB returns) have a high chance of inactivity or feigning inactivity. Out of these teams if we're going to pick the standard shoot someone on day 1 if they're quiet or are normally quiet route, we should probably shoot 2 or 8. 2. because retard super armor is really hard to break. 8. because spazz obviously mafia for trying to shoot me. That said, inactivity should be less of an issue with teams having 2 players per unit, so we might want to use another barometer to determine who we're going to shoot. We could go after lowest aggregate post quality or something similar. In terms of team balancing, most of the teams are roughly equivalent in terms of skill, with at least 1 decent to good player per team. Because of that I don't think we can make very many mafia team composition judgments just yet. The following are players I'm not 100% sure about, style and skillwise. 3. LaXerCannon, bumatlarge 5. Durak 7. Zyrre 8. Stormtemplar, BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, Divinek The rest I know pretty well from reading prior games and such. Since I've got work tomorrow and won't be able to devote 4 hours to readin' stuff, if anyone can write a short summary of these players (if you've played w/ them before) in terms of skill level + playstyle, that would be tits. Hmmm. If Team 2 is inactive, then I won’t buy it. From what I know of BM, he’s spammy. Him being inactive makes no sense to me. And from what I’ve seen of Chez, he’s hardly inactive, he’s just obscure with his posting (in a brilliant way of course). So if they are inactive, then they’ll have explaining to do. Team 5, I don’t know anything about Durak – is he new? – but YellowInk should not be inactive. Based on last game, he has a lot of time on his hands. So he has no excuse to be inactive. Team 8, with BB gone, I’ll agree to that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where johnnyspazz has contributed all that much, and stormtemplar is new? For your barometer, post length is always key. Once we come down to it, it’ll just be post analysis. No/bad content = lynch. Disclaimer: no offense meant in the following interpretations of these people. LaXerCannon is relatively new, one game under his belt I think? He almost got modkilled day 1 because he didn’t show up, but from then on his activity level was… decent. A 5/10 maybe. I say decent, because the majority of the players in that game hardly posted, lol. bumatlarge was a pretty mafia for a new player (as far as I know). Had some good ideas, but he was pretty passive about them. I don’t expect to see much aggression from him, I think he’s someone who likes be sure about what he’s doing before he does it. In terms of activity, so-so? Similar to LaXer? Can’t say too well since he was also mafia, so his posting would have been affected. Zyrre: a pretty good player, analysis-wise. With a little more activity than last game, he could have been extremely dangerous to the mafia. He’ll probably start off slow, and then pick up the posting a day or two in. BrownBear: he was pretty active in 3 Kingdom’s. Maybe it’s cuz he had the night KP lol. A 7/10 I think. But in the last game, he went away for a couple days unannounced and didn’t really make up for it afterward, I don’t think. Really disappointing there. So in terms of activity I can’t say. He’s an alright player overall though. DCLXVI: uhhh. He was a DT last game, and didn’t post much. Not sure if he would have posted more if he was townie though. Relatively low activity as far as I know, although he had the sense to check bumatlarge last game. Others: dunno, new? On June 22 2010 14:16 Caller wrote:
holy crap L is on my team what the hell
it's like someone surgically attached a girl from my university to me.
Not only am I unable to remove a festering parasite without killing myself, but it has decided to monopolize my life in the process. Uhh… do you guys go to the same school? + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk wrote:
Greetings everyone! At least this one didn't start on the holiday.
So day 1 lynch. We're in the random voting stage I guess. I don't know most of you guys yet - just what the rumor mill churns up. I'm not about to read 20 games to try to get backstory. I have read a couple though just to get my feet wet.
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.
And now for some ideas on where to throw our day 1 lynch:
Seems a bad idea to lynch Radfield since he gets killed night 1 or lynched day 2 (since obv mafia). Though I wouldn't autolynch Radfield on day 2 either because I think Radfield makes an excellent medic target. Lets let the mafia play the guessing game with this one as to whether we have a medic and whether that medic will choose to protect this target.
Since Chezinu seems to love the PM game, he may be easier to read when forced to play an entirely in thread game. So I'd be leaning against lynching him.
I could be swayed to lynch LaXer since as a townie he did hurt the town pretty badly by roleclaiming as a bodyguard. Not much of a reason, but it's the best I've got on a clean slate board. If he's town he can't PM anyone anyhow and Bum would be able to help ensure that if they are medic or DT that they use it effectively. I guess this will be ok.
I know Ace always gets the detective role. Unless I missed it somewhere, roles are not necessarily random (please correct this point if it was stated they would be random somewhere). They may have been assigned 'for entertainment value'. Not something I'd put too much stock into, but I know I'd find it amusing if Ace were DT after posting in my (first) game that he hates DT. So I'm inclined to not pick him for day 1 either.
I'd be against lynching L because the one game I read with him in it where he was a godfather calling for people to roleclaim I thought it was super obvious that he was mafia. Not to say that he's always super obvious about being mafia, but I definitely would rather be trying to read someone that I thought couldn't hide it as well than someone random.
We probably shouldn't lynch teams 7. 8, or 9 on day 1 (unless they are inactive) since we can hold them to a higher threshold of activity. With three players on each team, we should expect them to produce more posts. Since these three teams will be forced to produce more posts, it'll be easier to get mafia reads on them.
I'd like to target a team with an inactive player (surely no entire team will be inactive, right?). If we have every player active, then I guess LaXer would be my vote, but I don't think this will happen. We need to ensure that we don't let a mafia team skate by with an inactive player keeping their team's post count down.
So lets start hearing what people have to say! My stance on the Day 1 Lynch – I’m going to stick with “lynch an inactive” for now, but I don’t expect it to come into use. I expect all of the teams to have at least one player who’s posted at least 2-3 times, so I’ll actually be voting (most likely) based on post analysis today. Lol, Radfield lived in his last game to the end – the day 1 curse has been lifted off of him for now, I think. No PMs in this game. Except for Mafia of course. I can’t see the DT/Medic be allowed PMing abilities to anyone. Again, why are we all trying to lynch based on previous games? It’s true that LaXer’s move last game wasn’t the best, but that gives no indication toward his play/role this game. Lynch based on this game, not others. You’re as bad as johnnyspazz to me right now. Another “read” based on past games. I don’t know if the roles were random, but just because Ace is usually detective, doesn’t mean he’s a detective now. Personally, I am going to be looking at activity on a team-basis. No reason to lynch a team if they have 1 players who’s dominating the thread with his posting. But again, I’m hoping that inactivity isn’t even a problem in this game. @Chezinu: to be honest, those posts are the kind of posts that make me want to lynch someone. To me, they say nothing. And since you took advantage of your style last game to hide as a mafia, I’m not going to let you slip by this game. So I expect to see some good posts from you =p. All this talk about inactivity levels is silly. Everyone post, and we won’t have to worry about it. Welcome, Durak =] now, post more. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. Hmm.. I’m not sure what he just said, but yes, DTs go for actually suspicious people. No town circles in this game. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 02:06 YellowInk wrote:
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. I’ll agree to this. Priority for lynch list: team read red, one read red, inactive. Any red reads on one player >> green reads on their teammate unless for some reason we know it’s POSITIVE that they are green. This is a priority list, ofc. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. BM, what? Why are you referring to Yellow Turbans? YellowInk wasn’t in that game. I don’t even understand your post o.O. On June 23 2010 02:20 Divinek wrote:
well hopefully if im to up my activity ill spam so much ill confuse myself
nothing like colour coding dah posts too
omg the spoilers Divinek (and all newbies), this is an example of a useless post. Don’t do it.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* Lol. It’s morse code? Meh, still not going to bother translating it. On June 23 2010 02:26 Divinek wrote:
Also i tend to really agree with bm's line of reasoning here.
'hey guys this is what we should do to catch dem red fellars.. right?' seems quite suspicious enough to cast my random vote Hmm. His reasoning that YellowInk is red based on his attempt to seem green doesn’t fly with me. Personally, I think that BM’s just trying to get a reaction. On June 23 2010 02:28 bumatlarge wrote:
God damn phone. The anal spamming doesnt help us :/ Another example of a useless post. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? Did YellowInk accuse you at some point? Did I miss that? O_O. @DT strategy: I think a good time for the DT to come out is Day 3 (Day 2 if mafia found first night). 2 solid town reads = plenty, and it keeps the mafia in the dark for a little longer regarding blue roles. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker
They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything
WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all
I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
Durr.. what o_o. Hey, what’s an omgus? You’ve referred to it twice now.. I didn’t really read YellowInk’s thoughts on DT strategy, because it was a in a fairly dense paragraph and my brain got tired =]. So I just decided to put up my own thoughts. I agree with a later DT reveal, like I said before, though. On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. How to decipher? Decipher for me please. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies Why’d you just quote that? On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol… someone needs to chill out? And stop wasting my time with his spammy posts? On June 23 2010 03:28 YellowInk wrote:
Wow this forum is annoying to use when the post speed goes up. Why don't we get a warning or something that more people have posted since you started typing? More posting to follow. Learn to F5 and use tabs, n00b. On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Ah, Korynne, you’re an angel, you are. On June 23 2010 03:59 Chezinu wrote:
The OTHER HALF DISAGREES!!! DT should role check a mafia tonight and yell and scream mafia all night long so that in the morning we can lynch the mafia. Then when day comes you should yell and scream and taunt mafia not to kill you out of spite. Then rolecheck the next mafia while pming the vigi to kill the last mafia. then lol all night long and say gg and exclaim that the person you rolechecked is mafia all the while quoting random quotes in the thread produced by mafia saying that is what gave them away and calling yourself a mad detective. But then again, achieving near impossible odds although is fun and rewarding could be too risky for the cowardly. So as bumatlarge pointed out, if you are mafia or DT YOU MUST NOT FEAR DEATH! That is the way of the townie and the way to disguise as a townie... not that I'm doing that right now... hehe Chez, there’s no vigi =[. But yes, a DT with a red read should yell and scream all they want come morning. Radfield, there’s also a 50% chance that the DT kills any roleblocker (if there is one) ^_^. If he dies the next night, we know which set up we’re in, and then it’s… 4 town vs 1 mafia (teams)? Decent odds there, though not a for sure win. Durak, don’t edit your posts. On June 23 2010 05:38 Korynne wrote:Wow Chez, that is possibly the worst analysis I have ever seen... I'll post my comments in green so it's easier to see. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: Awww, I like the name change, it's cute. xP Shouldn't it be Radynne and Korfield or something though? xD+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... Well I don't know why Radfield is excited, but I created this game so I'm personally very excited to see how it goes.On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? I prefer smaller games in general, it makes it easier for me to get a read on everyone. This is like, a big small game because there's 9 teams but like 20 people... so like, I'm excited, basically. xP On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... I don't believe I understand you very well yet Chezinu, that I agree with. xDOn June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? No, I don't think I know Chill or L enough to make a statement. I will consult more veteran members of the community to find an answer.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? I don't suppose this is something I can argue against... though it does make quite a few of us feel less fun because we have to click spoilers and find morse code translators on google.On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... I have read very little of games prior to my existence on the mafia forum. But pretty much followed every game since (though I don't follow the games I don't play in as much). I've also read/watched RoTK so I know what Yellow Turbans are... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... I guess that's not a very good assumption I made there...On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? That was in response to YellowInk asking what OMGUS meant.On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. Radfield's pretty cool, that's why I asked him to join my team. =DOn June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. I do not speak for Sir Radfield, but it disappoints me to see that he has not read the rules, and I have expressed this in a previous post.Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT Wait...what? How does that end up as mafia or DT? Would someone smarter than me enlighten me on how this makes us mafia or dt? >_> Hmmm. I think it’s because you guys were excited about your roles (though, I don’t give much credit to this) and show some competence. I don’t see how else Chez got that conclusion. On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On June 23 2010 05:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum. and the fact that I could be a blue role Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green? If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks. At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them. On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote:
Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green?
If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks.
At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them. Huh? BM posted content? All I remember is him fishing a little bit about you. On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early. I believe we shouldn't vote off useless people unless it's to the point that it hinders the town's progress. That being said, they're next to go if we can't get any good behavioral analysis. To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed. For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules) Eh? Aside from the first, obvious piece of advice, what is your logic on that? If anything, check a team of two, as three people should be easier to read than two (generally). On June 23 2010 06:14 MooCow wrote:
I haven't had a chance to analyse any of the posters so far but I see that YI thinks bumatlarge is mafia and BM is accusing YI of being mafia.
I agree with others that BM/Chez posts a lot of random and a weak argument for lynching YI but the band wagon seems to be either lynch YI or BM.
If either or flips green we check the other party if they turn red we can trust that they are pro town.
@Jspazz can you post what you translated that made you believe that BM/chez is blue? You are too pro at stating/summarizing the obvious. On June 23 2010 06:20 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:18 YellowInk wrote:
So I was trying to put together a list of how many posts people made and I'm having trouble with the search function. For instance I do a search on LaXerCannon and it shows the last post he made in this thread as #38. I don't remember having a problem with this before. Anyone have any ideas?
At any rate, I want to start fingering people who havn't been talking. I agree with this action. You are seeming more and more town to me. BM never told me that he thought you were mafia, btw. I think he was just accusing to get reactions, unless I'm wrong. BM please PM me, thanks. Yea, I think BM was just fishing… I hope he was, cuz if he wasn’t then he’s either really bad, really unnecessary, or really red. On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I’m not sure what to make of it since it’d be retarded to post that in thread. On June 23 2010 06:57 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:49 YellowInk wrote:On June 23 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote:
hm well the chez/bill team seems to be the most active team overall so far so maybe that's an indication of a role outside dah greeeeeeeeeen, especially all of the emotionally fueled responses and random picking aparts of other people. Unless that's some weird townee level which would be stupid Define active? You think this posting in code in thread is helpful to the town? They could just be PMing to each other. Clearly they intend for it to be read, they're just making it difficult for every town team to pick it apart. It muddies the waters. I'm not saying it makes them scum, but I surely don't count this sort of posting as making them active. BM coming after me, Chez's question for me, Chez posting resulting opinion of me, etc - this is substance. The codes are trash. So I agree with you that they're being active, you should be careful to observe for the correct reasons. Use similar reasoning when you look at others - find posts that have merit and only consider them. well im just saying it makes it far less likely they're townees, they could be blue or red, but why would townees be so self destructive as to make wild baseless allegations and hinder the team by causing too much confusion. Obvisouly attacking someone can draw out reactions but yeah, it just leans me more to thinking they're not green and being mindful for that That’s just their style. To post crazy/random anyway.
Nice to know I didn’t miss much. -____-.
Summary of my ideas on the plans:
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Regarding inactivity:
Based on the activity levels so far, it seems like lynching an inactive might actually be a viable option. I was hoping that no one would be inactive, but as of now, Teams 7 and 8 seem to be, for the most part, missing. BrownBear is of course excused, but meeple should still be here until tomorrow, and both Nikon and stormtemplar are MIA. Zyrre and johnnyspazz with only a couple posts so far? L and Caller seem to be MIA as well? L had that one post and then went to work or whatever but I don’t remember Caller posting?
I really don’t want to lynch based on inactivity (in that I don’t want it to be a problem), but if it comes down to it, these teams are the candidates, as far as I can tell.
Like I said before though, reads > inactivity for lynch targets. If we can get a red read on anyone with sound logic, I’d be open to that.
Other Lynch Candidates:
I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him.
Another target is Bill Murray/Chezinu because of their generally poor/confusing style of play, but I’d lean toward no, and look for more before lynching them (they have a few good posts every so often. I think Chezinu’s a good poster when he’s not messing around).
Thoughts on YellowInk: I don’t really understand the pressure BM was putting on him. I do disagree with an early DT claim and all that, but it didn’t scream mafia to me. Maybe I wasn’t looking closely enough, but so far, he’s only as suspicious as BM/Chez.
bumatlarge – has had some pretty poor suggestions I think. Another person to watch out for.
Blue Strategy
First off, I’d like to remind everyone that we can’t be sure of whether we have a DT, a medic, or both. So post analysis is even more important this game.
BUT! If we do have them.
Regarding activity: I’d favor not making yourself look too pro-town, or look like too good of a townie. Mafia want to eliminate either possible blues or people who contribute to the thread. If you look like the town’s leader, you’re in danger of being hit. Laying low might make you look scummy and may be a traditional blue move, but it’s easier to blend in, especially considering the posting levels so far. It’s harder to hit a blue out of a crowd of 3 or 4 than a crowd of 2 or 3.
Detective: Night 1, check someone suspicious who you think is mafia. Don’t aim to confirm greens. If you catch a mafia, I still say claim Day 2 and out that person. If it’s setup 1, you’ll probably be protected and roleblocked/hit the next night. Setup 3, you’ll probably die that night, but it leaves the rest of us in a 4v1 assuming mislynch day 1 at the beginning of day 3, or else insta-victory.
Medic: Like I said, mafia want to kill the best posters in the town. So protect them. Duh xD. If you think someone might be the Detective, you can protect them as well. Uhh… I don’t think there’s ever a time you should claim, unless you protect someone that gets hit. And even then, you might consider laying low.
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On June 23 2010 06:18 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still waiting for L to come post and put order to town. Oh and how is one vote on each of BM and yellowink considered a bandwagon? I still think everything is up in the air.
Told you i have work until 7 pm est every day, then i have transit time home. If i didn't do it this thread, i'm pretty sure i did it last. On page 7 reading through this stupidity.
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Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect"
To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all.
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On June 23 2010 09:20 Chezinu wrote:
Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect"
To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all.
That's fucking cute given he's on your team.
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On June 23 2010 09:19 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:18 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still waiting for L to come post and put order to town. Oh and how is one vote on each of BM and yellowink considered a bandwagon? I still think everything is up in the air. Told you i have work until 7 pm est every day, then i have transit time home. If i didn't do it this thread, i'm pretty sure i did it last. On page 7 reading through this stupidity.
I knew you had work, I seriously was just waiting.
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On June 23 2010 09:22 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 09:19 L wrote:On June 23 2010 06:18 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still waiting for L to come post and put order to town. Oh and how is one vote on each of BM and yellowink considered a bandwagon? I still think everything is up in the air. Told you i have work until 7 pm est every day, then i have transit time home. If i didn't do it this thread, i'm pretty sure i did it last. On page 7 reading through this stupidity. I knew you had work, I seriously was just waiting.
So chezzers, why did you shit up our thread. Normally you don't shit up threads on day 1.
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I'm thinking it is best to lynch stormtemplar and johnnyspazz.
Reasons:
Jspazz votes L. stormtemplar votes for team 2 and "agrees that voting for L is kinda not necessary". This makes no sense, who are you agreeing/disagreeing with? I don't think L was even mentioned as an option aside from Jspazz.
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On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter.
I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL
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On June 23 2010 04:59 YellowInk wrote:Durak, please don't get us modkilled. No edits. Ever. @OMGUS idea: My voting for bumatlarge was not OMGUS. Once bumatlarge made the post I quoted I was almost assuredly going to vote for him on it. I waited a bit and was hoping someone else would call him out on it first as I would feel more confident that they are town - assuming bumatlarge does, in fact, turn up red.
it was definitely an omgus. you voted for him literally right after he voted for you. it is omgus regardless of when you decided to do it.
you are scummy regardless of if you are scum, which i am leaning towards
On June 23 2010 05:03 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. Chezinu has posted quite a bit but not a single thing of merit. The most content he posted was the video on being unreadable. It sure is easy to be unreadable when you don't post any content. Chez, you going to join BM's attack on me or do you have opinions of your own? Sorry you're so lonely, but I'm not going to talk Morse to you. Honestly there is a whole lot of inactivity in this thread. The list is long. This disturbs me greatly.
Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On June 23 2010 05:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:
Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote:
I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote:
Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote:
It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite
"aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote:
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote:
Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum. and the fact that I could be a blue role Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green? If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks. At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them.
You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early. I believe we shouldn't vote off useless people unless it's to the point that it hinders the town's progress. That being said, they're next to go if we can't get any good behavioral analysis. To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed. For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)
Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
plus after what Chezinu did to him in mini mafia III i don't blame him for hating chez for the last 8 months.
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Geez, Bill you are brutal.. You should go on IRC so we can talk! You need to be more mafia like and claim that everyone who hates you is innocent. It works wonders!
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Radfield
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First off, I knew about the rule that you could PM people, I just thought BM and Chez might have a different understanding of the rules. Obviously I should have just looked at the front page first....
On June 23 2010 09:16 stormtemplar wrote:
I suspect BM is mafia. Firstly, his constant accusations of yellowink are very scummy looking to me, especially since his claims about yellows logic are unfounded
Second, his morse encoded stealth claim to be medic looks quite scummy, as only a stupid or naive blue would do something that revealed themselves to be mafia.
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Bill Murray always does this, In fact, the more he throws dirt around and gets upset at people, the more it looks like he's playing his same old town routine. Mind you, I'm not a big fan of the routine, so I'm certainly OK with a BM/Chez vote.
On June 23 2010 06:47 Divinek wrote:
well it'd be kinda silly for them to post so much as townees especially in that fashion unless they get some sick enjoyment out of confusing people
Again, this is what they do. Everyone, meet BM and Chez. Chez and BM, meet everyone.
Teams that are laying too low, mind you it's early:
Teams 6/7/8/9
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which is why im voting team 7
radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie?
Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching.
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i am going to get some mexican
i will be back
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So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
In terms of how accurate those initial three suggestions are, I can't really say. Not enough information.
I will, however, say this: If someone is trying to protect their teammate, they are unlikely to directly argue against the incriminatory post because that would link them far too heavily. They would likely accuse a third party to try and draw heat off their brosef. Its quite possibly that our pattern of accusations has already yielded such a snap, but frankly I haven't looked at where accusations are coming from because chez's posts gay shit up pretty fast.
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Also, Caller quit being a tumor and start posting.
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I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.
I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO.
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Great, I come back a day early and my teammate's already gotten us in hot water.
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Hey... teammates? You here guys? Cuz I'm leaving... on a jet plane... don't know when I'll be back again...
Yeah I know I've been missing in action, but I'm leaving tommorow morning and it requires some packing and preparations...
BM and Chez always get my vote... town-aligned they're screwing with everyone's heads and helping no-one... red-aligned they're probably doing the same.
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On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective!
LOL, nice stealth medic claim there guys. Now that it's in the open, let's see if you die tonight.
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I'm revoking my vote on YellowInk and going with my teammate here. Team 7 is really inactive/low-key. Team 8 is a little more active a least, and now BB is back apparently.
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On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength?
But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM.
Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well.
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On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post.
First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar.
Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you.
Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown.
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Yass, I am back!
I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasons!] +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.htmland it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today.
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On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown.
Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please?
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On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown.
yeah, accusations like that look a little scum to me, at least im not a fan of a 'scum list', i guess it's okay to be undecided but when you're just like 'suggesting' things for other teams, but without anything to back it up it just looks like diverting attention more than anything, more than you really believe it at least. The word 'our' really makes it interesting for me, though not conclusive enough based on the posts just yet
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On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well.
I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances.
On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please?
Brownie B:
You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection.
Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general.
Next post: we get into interesting stuff.
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The post you're me-tooing, its pretty interesting. Me going 'afk' all day like its a bad thing? I've said multiple times that I work. I'm gone the majority of the day but i post when I'm here. Second, I've gone under the radar? I have the first large post of the game. I've called people out in nearly every fucking post I've made.
Who the fuck are YOU by contrast? Near 0 contributions thusfar coming from a quiet team.
Third, no, those choices aren't biased. They were based on the last 3 pages prior to that post and summarized what other people were saying at that point. I've been gone for the majority of the day, as you've said. What's more, I explicitly push both Ace and Radfield's team in that post, meaning that out of the 5 teams I'm watching, only 2 I had on my radar at the start.
So, given that all your claims are terrible, why are you making them? Well, its because the biggest chunk of my post is essentially saying that if you flip red, I'm pretty sure I know who your allies are. That makes you quite possibly the best lynch target for the night. Instead of arguing that you're legit, you instead throw out some OMGUS.
So brownbear, why you supporting an obviously garbage post? From the content and retaliatory nature, its poor on both counts. The only reason I can even start to imagine is that you're happy someone is accusing people who accuse you. As for Durak or whatever, lol you're pretty jokes.
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On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff.
Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII.
But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random?
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darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious?
I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him.
i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
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On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random?
Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way.
I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb.
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On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? Show nested quote +I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Personally I'm hating on you because you do very little besides cry that people are hating on you.
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L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot.
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On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote:Yass, I am back! I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons: + Show Spoiler [Reasons!] +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.htmland it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today.
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On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot.
I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo.
I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect
zyrre for instance is drawing my fos
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On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:Who is this clown? + Show Spoiler + You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post.
First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar.
Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you.
Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown.
Chill good buddy. He may have been gone all day, but he's one of the players that is often considered good at figuring stuff out and organizing. My type of guy. Doesn't mean he's town - I expect he'll be posting a good bit beyond this so that people can get a read on him.
I don't really agree with his list as there's a lot being batted around at the moment. I'm surprised no one has voiced to agree with my analysis of bumatlarge. I guess you guys are off the hook for now. That being said, I think they'd be an excellent target for a DT investigation.
Since I'm still highly suspect of bum with his continued posting pattern (I will elaborate this on request, but I suspect no one cares at the moment), I lean against voting for BM/Chez. If bum is mafia, BM probably isn't. It's just too risky of a play. But from all the talk of BM/Chez being pretty crazy players, idk. People seem really on the fence about him.
If the post counts from some of these teams remain this low, I'm on board with lynching inactives. Whatever else I can speculate, they're still just day 1 loose reads. When the posting content from the inactives come up, maybe there is something there that will read red to me as well and we'll all come to a consensus.
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On June 23 2010 11:07 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote:Yass, I am back! I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons: + Show Spoiler [Reasons!] +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.htmland it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today. Brownbear: + Show Spoiler +BROWNBEAR,WHEN YOU SAY CONVINCED THEM YOU WERE TOWN ,AND CLAIMED SO THAT THE MAFIA WOULD HIT YOU, BUT THE MEDIC COULD PROTECT YOU, THUS WASTING A MAFIA KP, ARE YOU TRYING TO JOIN OUR TOWN CIRCLE BY CHECKING OUR ALIGNMENT, OR CLAIMING TOWNIE, OR ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL US?
Yo, I translated because translating is cool.
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On June 23 2010 11:12 L wrote:
Yo, I translated because translating is cool.
If only we could get them to not muck about in the first place. +2 brownie points for L.
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On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos
well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb.
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On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:
Personally I'm hating on you because you do very little besides cry that people are hating on you.
good thing i was responding to you right?
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On June 23 2010 11:12 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:07 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote:Yass, I am back! I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons: + Show Spoiler [Reasons!] +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.htmland it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today. Brownbear: + Show Spoiler +BROWNBEAR,WHEN YOU SAY CONVINCED THEM YOU WERE TOWN ,AND CLAIMED SO THAT THE MAFIA WOULD HIT YOU, BUT THE MEDIC COULD PROTECT YOU, THUS WASTING A MAFIA KP, ARE YOU TRYING TO JOIN OUR TOWN CIRCLE BY CHECKING OUR ALIGNMENT, OR CLAIMING TOWNIE, OR ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL US? Yo, I translated because translating is cool.
You should translate the harder ones that everyone seemed to ignore, maybe just maybe I have a code that only a select few can read! That makes this game fun!
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On June 23 2010 11:17 Chezinu wrote:
You should translate the harder ones that everyone seemed to ignore, maybe just maybe I have a code that only a select few can read! That makes this game fun!
i already tried and it was too hard to break! give me a hint
i'm going to switch my vote to team 2 because claiming medic day 1 is retarded.
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On June 23 2010 11:08 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:Who is this clown? + Show Spoiler + You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post.
First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar.
Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you.
Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Chill good buddy. He may have been gone all day, but he's one of the players that is often considered good at figuring stuff out and organizing. My type of guy. Doesn't mean he's town - I expect he'll be posting a good bit beyond this so that people can get a read on him. I don't really agree with his list as there's a lot being batted around at the moment. I'm surprised no one has voiced to agree with my analysis of bumatlarge. I guess you guys are off the hook for now. That being said, I think they'd be an excellent target for a DT investigation. Since I'm still highly suspect of bum with his continued posting pattern (I will elaborate this on request, but I suspect no one cares at the moment), I lean against voting for BM/Chez. If bum is mafia, BM probably isn't. It's just too risky of a play. But from all the talk of BM/Chez being pretty crazy players, idk. People seem really on the fence about him. If the post counts from some of these teams remain this low, I'm on board with lynching inactives. Whatever else I can speculate, they're still just day 1 loose reads. When the posting content from the inactives come up, maybe there is something there that will read red to me as well and we'll all come to a consensus.
No such thing. If X, then Y doesn't apply here unless we have process of elimination. There's also no such thing as a too risky play unless you have perfect information. You don't know their roles so you can't claim what they may possibly do is too risky. Both teams could be scum because no one has been cleared via DT or behavior at all.
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On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown.
Stick it to the man! Not voting for this bad-ass thats for sure
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On June 23 2010 11:17 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:12 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:07 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote:Yass, I am back! I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons: + Show Spoiler [Reasons!] +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.htmland it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today. Brownbear: + Show Spoiler +BROWNBEAR,WHEN YOU SAY CONVINCED THEM YOU WERE TOWN ,AND CLAIMED SO THAT THE MAFIA WOULD HIT YOU, BUT THE MEDIC COULD PROTECT YOU, THUS WASTING A MAFIA KP, ARE YOU TRYING TO JOIN OUR TOWN CIRCLE BY CHECKING OUR ALIGNMENT, OR CLAIMING TOWNIE, OR ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL US? Yo, I translated because translating is cool. You should translate the harder ones that everyone seemed to ignore, maybe just maybe I have a code that only a select few can read! That makes this game fun!
Pregame key encryption should be considered equivilant to PMing and result in modkill. I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but if you have any understanding of cryptography this should be obvious.
Personally I think this is likely as not an attempt to misdirect attention and the water muddying just makes you look scummy.
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On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb.
They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated.
But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right.
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Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4!
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On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? Show nested quote +I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb.
Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
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By the way, flamewheel does his thing by random number generator L. So you can't just say oh look I found a weak mafia therefore the other mafia must be "strong." Also, I personally believe that YellowInk is rather decent, especially for someone new.
Please don't start hustling the newbies already, it's only day 1. xD
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On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right.
So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy?
Explain this more.
Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
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On June 23 2010 10:16 LaXerCannon wrote:
I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.
I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO.
Oh god, I just read over the thread twice and I can't seem to make out anything past the initial YI and Bumatlarge argument. I'll give it another stab tomorrow when my mind's less...scrambled.
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How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?
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The emotions coming out now is fantastic, I love the drama.
And whos to say durok here isnt some mastermind himself? Until I've gotten to know someone through my own experience with them, you really can't make too many judgments about them. Give him a shot to earn his spurs, then ask who the fuck he is.
I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. Too bad Laxer is asleep or busy, I dont think he'll be as fun to watch as the previous game, where he was in full bloom of his potential joshin ya laxer. Anyone want some alcohol induced analysis? Spell-check is cool. That is all.
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On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?
? I said potential to lead us to death. And I said, that's the only possible reason you had for voting for him.
Also, if your vote was random, why bother making it? You could just wait 24 hours and make an actual vote.
I'm not saying you should worship them, but being a veteran isn't something that you KILL them for...
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On June 23 2010 11:32 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:16 LaXerCannon wrote:
I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.
I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO. Oh god, I just read over the thread twice and I can't seem to make out anything past the initial YI and Bumatlarge argument. I'll give it another stab tomorrow when my mind's less...scrambled.
I lied! Reading back on what I wrote, I think I should proofread more. I convey the ideas so poorly, no wonder Ink thinks (lol) Im sketchy. Bill Murray's sig is awesome.
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On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally.
And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green.
What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two."
Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are.
Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said.
The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
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On June 23 2010 11:36 DarthThienAn wrote:
? I said potential to lead us to death. And I said, that's the only possible reason you had for voting for him.
Also, if your vote was random, why bother making it? You could just wait 24 hours and make an actual vote.
I'm not saying you should worship them, but being a veteran isn't something that you KILL them for...
okay i might've misread your post
i made the vote to just start things off.
i didn't cast the vote in hopes of actually lynching L.
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On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name.
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On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^.
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On June 23 2010 11:47 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name.
lol. I had to look him up, couldn't remember him for the life of me :D
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Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make.
Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy.
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On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Show nested quote +Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy.
You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P.
And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-.
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On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant.
I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right?
Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up.
Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist.
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On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb.
If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh.
I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head...
On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well.
You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all.
On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff.
"I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right."
LOL.
On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote:
Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4!
lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke
On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....)
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
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On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
@Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier?
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Alright, my search function seems to be working fine now. Some info mined from this thread. These are post counts of anything after post 27 (the day 1 start)
Player Team # # posts
Radfield 1 2
Korynne 1 13
Bill Murray 2 20
Chezinu 2 25
LaXerCannon 3 6
bumatlarge 3 15
aCe 4 12
DarthThienAn 4 5
Durak 5 4
YellowInk 5 20
L 6 14
Caller 6 1
Nikon 7 1
Zyrre 7 2
meeple 7 1
Stormtemplar 8 5
johnnyspazz 8 9
BrownBear 8 4
DCLXVI 9 4
MooCow 9 3
Divinek 9 9
Also, I saw someone format this more nicely in another game. Do you have to post it as an image or is there a way to get a table? I tried clicking all the buttons and none of them seem to make tables.
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On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier?
Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion.
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 rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team.
=D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo.
ie.
[Your argument]
[My response]
[Your explanation of how I sidestepped]
And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even.
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To summarize the above information, I'm moving my vote to team 7 for the moment until they post more than a sum of 4 times between their 3 players. Or I get a better red read on someone. This far into the day and with all of them having checked in at least once (ie they all know the game is on), this is ridiculous.
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How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
you saying youre green definitely makes you seen green
can you explain what you and chez were trying to accomplish with the series of morse code messages?
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On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist.
Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works.
This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh.
I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head...
I personally would vote for someone acting like an idiot because they're hurting the town by doing so and therefore mafia or a bad townie. AtE? You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. ...then you were serious? o_o. This says much about either your role, or your skill level.
I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....)
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
some town on town action never hurt anyone :D
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
That logic doesn't help anyone. We all think we're town, and we all know there are 2 mafia teams out there. And there's no chance that no one will be lynched, as long as 1 vote is cast, which it has been. There's no such thing as a no-lynch in this setup. Why Zyrre? I don't remember anything about what he's posted this game.
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On June 23 2010 12:17 DarthThienAn wrote: rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team. =D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo. ie. [Your argument] [My response] [Your explanation of how I sidestepped] And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even.
Don't really need anymore information out of your team. Pretty sure I have a good read on you guys. More worried about the quiet kids for now.
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On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit?
I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either.
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On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-.
If I may say so, it was very incriminating
But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned.
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On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either.
Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team.
In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
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On June 23 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-. If I may say so, it was very incriminating But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned.
It was? I don't even remember what I posted except for the summary. I know you were in there =P. And I know you still aren't posting anything =P.
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On June 23 2010 12:17 YellowInk wrote:
To summarize the above information, I'm moving my vote to team 7 for the moment until they post more than a sum of 4 times between their 3 players. Or I get a better red read on someone. This far into the day and with all of them having checked in at least once (ie they all know the game is on), this is ridiculous.
Inactivity is a bad reason to lynch... unless there's no one talking... there's like 12 pages of talking so it's time to go out and do some analysis... BM and Chez are shitting up the thread right now... me and my teammates are most definitely green, but if you continue on this path you will see it soon enough...
In any case, I'm off to bed and officially out of this game... good luck!
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no problem. I was planning on talking a lot anyway this game so you don't lead the town to depths of hell like you normally do.
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rolecount = votecount. My bad, dawg.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:25 YellowInk wrote:
Pregame key encryption should be considered equivilant to PMing and result in modkill. I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but if you have any understanding of cryptography this should be obvious.
Wait, I'm lost. Would you mind explaining this to me?
Also keep the ad hominem attacks down -__-
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On June 23 2010 12:33 Ace wrote:
no problem. I was planning on talking a lot anyway this game so you don't lead the town to depths of hell like you normally do.
Like in the day vig games wherein town always loses? Glad you've been winning those on townside yourself.
Oh wait, you don't. GGPO
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On June 23 2010 12:35 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:25 YellowInk wrote:
Pregame key encryption should be considered equivilant to PMing and result in modkill. I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but if you have any understanding of cryptography this should be obvious.
Wait, I'm lost. Would you mind explaining this to me?
Pregame I send you a key. Ingame I post messages that'll only be decoded by that key. The information I put into the thread can only be understood by a single person.
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Hey I can't stop people from doing what they want. But if you want to argue about who's a better player we both know that won't last long ^_^
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On June 23 2010 12:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either. Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team. In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
How big was the fish?
From what I can tell, this argument is completely silly, and I think you can both agree that any one person/team can say "I know I am green, therefore..."
And then you (L) are saying, "Yeah, I'm excluding that option in my posts cuz I know I'm green"
whereas Ace is saying, "Why are you excluding yourself? We don't know that you're green."
which means, it really comes down to a matter of posting style / thought process. In general, I include myself in the equation (in thread) if I might be mafia in other people's eyes, because then, it's applicable to everyone, and everyone can agree with my logic. Leaving that out only works for me / my team only, which makes it less helpful / clear to everyone else.
But really, this all seems silly to me, and I think we should move on to bigger and better things.
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On June 23 2010 12:36 Ace wrote:
Hey I can't stop people from doing what they want. But if you want to argue about who's a better player we both know that won't last long ^_^
Nah, I'd prefer you stop being such a whiny little girl and go scum hunt like a good townie.
Or you could catfight with me. That would be swell too.
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I'm scumhunting. I already said I don't believe BM/Chez to be townies. If that's not a blatant accusation along with my matching vote in the thread I don't know what game you're reading.
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On June 23 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
##vote: Team 7
Hey, man. Sup? ^^
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On June 23 2010 12:40 Ace wrote:
I'm scumhunting. I already said I don't believe BM/Chez to be townies. If that's not a blatant accusation along with my matching vote in the thread I don't know what game you're reading.
That isn't scum hunting. That's accusing a team. :3
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On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
The post you're me-tooing, its pretty interesting. Me going 'afk' all day like its a bad thing? I've said multiple times that I work. I'm gone the majority of the day but i post when I'm here. Second, I've gone under the radar? I have the first large post of the game. I've called people out in nearly every fucking post I've made.
Who the fuck are YOU by contrast? Near 0 contributions thusfar coming from a quiet team.
Korynne and flamewheel can back me up on this. I had told them I was going to be gone until wednesday, so to put me on a 3 person team so that my inactivity wouldn't be noticed. If you'd actually taken the time to read the signup thread, you would know this. Knocking me for inactivity when I've had a planned absence is just silly. Plus, the reason I think your list is stupid isn't because you had work all day and were gone, it's because you had work all day, were gone, THEN you came back and just put up a single list with NO EXPLANATION. Summary: Learn to read, and learn to back up your lynch-lists if you don't want them called into question.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
Third, no, those choices aren't biased. They were based on the last 3 pages prior to that post and summarized what other people were saying at that point. I've been gone for the majority of the day, as you've said. What's more, I explicitly push both Ace and Radfield's team in that post, meaning that out of the 5 teams I'm watching, only 2 I had on my radar at the start.
Again, it doesn't matter if you're "summarizing what other people said" you need to SAY THAT in the first place. Otherwise, people are going to call you on it. When you react to people calling on it by acting like a monkey in a cage, flinging poo on as many people as possible, it makes you look bad.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
So, given that all your claims are terrible, why are you making them? Well, its because the biggest chunk of my post is essentially saying that if you flip red, I'm pretty sure I know who your allies are. That makes you quite possibly the best lynch target for the night. Instead of arguing that you're legit, you instead throw out some OMGUS.
So brownbear, why you supporting an obviously garbage post? From the content and retaliatory nature, its poor on both counts. The only reason I can even start to imagine is that you're happy someone is accusing people who accuse you.
Well, yeah, wouldn't you be? Someone accused me (well, my team) for some pretty weak reasons, I'm glad people are calling them on it. Also, you have no right to yell "OMGUS" on me, given you had the first and most retarded OMGUS of the game.
Also, my allies are who?
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:As for Durak or whatever, lol you're pretty jokes.
Uhh, wut?
Summary: Try harder next time! Also, stop throwing FoS around like it's fucking candy on halloween. It's not helping us.
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On June 23 2010 12:42 DarthThienAn wrote:Hey, man. Sup? ^^
yo dawg. I dunno I'm not entirely sure voting down the least active is the best idea in a structure like this over post analysis, but im not sure how much real content there is to be had yet so im like 51% for voting against activity right now so i went with that unless something i see sways me.
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thought im pretty likely to change it, it's just a safeguard against mod kills in case i forget or am stuck away from the pc, which could be very likely all of tomorrow
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Brownbear, sup. The entirety of the post content I made in the post you're replying to is directed at Durak, not you.
The portion directed at you was the paragraph wherein I ask you questions.
Sorry if there's a misunderstanding.
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On June 23 2010 12:46 Ace wrote:
why do I even bother
Mostly you don't.
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BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
When I saw that list, I immediately interpreted it as a summary of the last few pages, possibly because I had recently read all of the posts and knew it was along those lines, but still, I didn't see it as a random "L's lynch list" kind of deal or anything like that at all.
Divinek, that's all I wanted to know =p.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Vote count made.
Post or die.
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On June 23 2010 13:12 DarthThienAn wrote:
BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
what the heck? he's just defending himself from accusations that he thought were directed at him...
if anything L is already doing a superb job at distracting the thread.
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On June 23 2010 13:22 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 13:12 DarthThienAn wrote:
BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
what the heck? he's just defending himself from accusations that he thought were directed at him... if anything L is already doing a superb job at distracting the thread.
Perhaps, but why perpetuate that distracting if you don't need to? And defending yourself doesn't necessary have to include accusations against other people and the instinct to accuse whoever accused you. He could easily have explained himself.
Aside from that, L wasn't even really pointing the finger at him. No one was calling him out based on his inactivity, until he made a big deal out of it. I called his TEAM out on it, because stormtemplar's posted like twice, and terribly iirc, and you... well, you know what I think about you
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Edited OP to clarify: if you a teammate modkilled, you lose their voting power permanently. Your team's power will not be readjusted.
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I think I need another day of argument between L/Ace/team8 and such to see what I think of them. As far as I can tell BM/chez are barely helping the town, and team 7 has provided the least content. I'm not sure whether we should lynch the team that spams or the quiet team. I think that if team 7 was mafia then they would at least make some attempt to appear active, but that is not the case. Going to put my vote on team 2 for now.
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So, we aren't team voting, yet all teams have a weight of 3?
How the fuck does voting work, I have no idea what's going on in that other thread and I searched the OP.
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On June 23 2010 12:40 Ace wrote:
I'm scumhunting. I already said I don't believe BM/Chez to be townies. If that's not a blatant accusation along with my matching vote in the thread I don't know what game you're reading.
you're wrong on this one buddy
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On June 23 2010 13:37 L wrote:
So, we aren't team voting, yet all teams have a weight of 3?
How the fuck does voting work, I have no idea what's going on in that other thread and I searched the OP.
you are worth 3/6, the members in groups of three have are worth 2/6
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L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight.
Anyway.
Since he claims he wasn’t fishing…
Bill Murray
Current Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk)
Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that.
+ Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote:
putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:
I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:
Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker
They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything
WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all
I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote:
I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that?
Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity…
You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation.
Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote:
which is why im voting team 7
radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie?
Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote +
If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote:
Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz.
Conclusions so far: BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight.
Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic.
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On June 23 2010 13:42 L wrote:
... That's retarded.
It's perfectly fine, the only downside would be a disagreement with your own teammate, thus splitting it into smaller fractions. But they did sign up later, and no one on 3man teams has complained. Are you going to complain for them?
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Bill Murray isn't even giving me an explanation of his actions.. Why can't town analyze me instead of BM?
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On June 23 2010 13:45 Chezinu wrote:
Bill Murray isn't even giving me an explanation of his actions.. Why can't town analyze me instead of BM?
cuz you weren't in a huge battle with YellowInk that put you in the spotlight and made me go "o_o". Is that a good reason?
On another note, I did for the luls.
Furthermore, I'd like to take this opportunity to place a vote of no confidence in the Supreme Chancellor, namely Flamewheel Valorum. I may or may not be influenced by my Senator, Ace Palpatine.
In retrospect, this seems a little backwards, since I'm the Sith here, but I don't think Ace would ever agree to posting something like this =P.
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please lynch L he's such a fagtron
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I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing?
See: Sarcasm
the wise L sayeth
haters going to hate
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L O L
Entertainment Value indeed
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On June 23 2010 12:53 L wrote:
Brownbear, sup. The entirety of the post content I made in the post you're replying to is directed at Durak, not you.
The portion directed at you was the paragraph wherein I ask you questions.
Sorry if there's a misunderstanding.
Sup. Just finished checking all the facts in my reply so you can read it easily. Here's my response and why your vendetta against me is ridiculous.
On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right.
"decided to speak up and prove me right" is a non-nonsensical conclusion. I called you out on your baseless conclusion post. Somehow creating a strong counter-argument to your posts proves you're right? I guess this post is going to make you right as rain!
On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:
Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances.
Most ridiculous argument I’ve ever seen. Flamewheel said that he chose teams randomly therefore your first premise is incorrect. Your second premise is that you’re green. I guess we’ll just accept that at face value. Your conclusion follows from these two premises so it’s unsound.[Note: Wrote this before you conceded all this in later posts. Hope this doesn't sound redundant coming so late]
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
The post you're me-tooing, its pretty interesting. Me going 'afk' all day like its a bad thing? I've said multiple times that I work. I'm gone the majority of the day but i post when I'm here. Second, I've gone under the radar? I have the first large post of the game. I've called people out in nearly every fucking post I've made.
I never said going afk was a bad thing. If you look at the context, I was saying that you can’t summarize everyone’s opinions (incorrectly, at that) when you haven’t been around to ask them. Unless you are a part of a discussion and get everyone’s input, you can’t conclude what the majority’s opinions are. I have no problem with you voicing your opinions but you've been "representing us" since before the game started. This is all discussed in my other post.
You were under the radar. You were one of the first to post after the game started then you didn’t post for 21 hours. Even if we accept that you work during the day, 21 hours is a pretty long time after you show interest by being one of the first to post after the game starts.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
Who the fuck are YOU by contrast?
Chill out man. I haven’t pretended to be anybody. I’m just replying rationally to your posts. You’re posting summaries of opinions and town plans without any authority. This is irrelevant to my argument anyway; you’re just trying to divert attention.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
Near 0 contributions thusfar coming from a quiet team.
I don’t claim to contribute much to this thread because it’s my first game. I hope to at least show how your reasoning in these posts is incorrect though. That doesn’t take any knowledge of mafia.
My “quiet team” is me and YellowInk. I’m pretty sure he has the most posts in the thread.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
Third, no, those choices aren't biased. They were based on the last 3 pages prior to that post and summarized what other people were saying at that point. I've been gone for the majority of the day, as you've said. What's more, I explicitly push both Ace and Radfield's team in that post, meaning that out of the 5 teams I'm watching, only 2 I had on my radar at the start.
Reviewing the three pages before your post, I see no reason for you conclude that the town is leaning towards those three groups. You even missed the few posts right before yours that mention team 7. I don't think you can summarize three people suggest they'll vote for three different teams as a summary of the towns opinions. It's convenient that 2/3 you bolded were the two you pushed for in the first page and badmouthed a couple pages earlier.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
So, given that all your claims are terrible, why are you making them? Well, its because the biggest chunk of my post is essentially saying that if you flip red, I'm pretty sure I know who your allies are. That makes you quite possibly the best lynch target for the night. Instead of arguing that you're legit, you instead throw out some OMGUS.
You make a bunch of claims as to the “town suspects” and then say whoever responds you know who their allies are? That doesn’t make sense. Case in point, me. I’m calling you out because you lack logical reasoning. I don’t know what your roll is and I’m not trying to play psychologist like you. I’m saying your logic is flawed.
On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote: So brownbear, why you supporting an obviously garbage post? From the content and retaliatory nature, its poor on both counts. The only reason I can even start to imagine is that you're happy someone is accusing people who accuse you. As for Durak or whatever, lol you're pretty jokes.
Response unneeded. Not sure what’s up with the libel though. I haven’t done anything to you.
I read the rest of your posts after this and multiple other people were refuting them. If you want me to address anything else, let me know.
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On June 23 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote:L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight. Anyway. Since he claims he wasn’t fishing… Bill MurrayCurrent Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk) Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that. + Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote:
putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:
I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:
Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker
They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything
WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all
I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote:
I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that?
Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity…
You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation.
Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote:
which is why im voting team 7
radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie?
Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote +
If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote:
Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz. : BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight. Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic.
Well, considering you're bringing up an argument which has been dead for pages in my opinion, i'll address this one last time.
YellowInk was acting very scummy at the RVS for me, so I prodded him or needled him to see if he would argue with me. He did eventually. He had a very scummy sounding post in my opinion towards bumatlarge. That rekindled the suspicion I had had from the RVS.
I am not sure if he is mafia, so I shifted my vote towards someone who has been actively lurking, Zyrre. I do not know his meta, so I am going to be keeping my vote on him for this until he proves me otherwise.
I am not suspicious of Ace... I am even more suspicious of L than Ace, meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list.
My analysis of Korynne and Radfield is that they're a power role. I do not know what power role they are. This would fit in line with Korynne's play when she was red in my eyes, although I believe Radfield is trying to convince her that they should play the PM game between theirselves
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I am not sure that they are not a detective or something, though, so I will not vote to lynch them unless someone can persuade me heavily (towards slot 1)
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"meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list." Really, they are that low on your suspect list? You don't think it is one of them combined with a team 6-9? such as team 8? Bill, can we please talk in IRC?
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On June 23 2010 13:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? See: Sarcasm the wise L sayeth haters going to hate
You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all.
...way to waste my time. The wink was hardly an adequate indication of sarcasm. -___-.
On June 23 2010 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote:L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight. Anyway. Since he claims he wasn’t fishing… Bill MurrayCurrent Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk) Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that. + Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote:
putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:
I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:
Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote:
Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote:
Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker
They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything
WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all
I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote:
I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that?
Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity…
You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation.
Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote:
which is why im voting team 7
radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie?
Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote +
If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote:
Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz. : BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight. Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic. Well, considering you're bringing up an argument which has been dead for pages in my opinion, i'll address this one last time. YellowInk was acting very scummy at the RVS for me, so I prodded him or needled him to see if he would argue with me. He did eventually. He had a very scummy sounding post in my opinion towards bumatlarge. That rekindled the suspicion I had had from the RVS. I am not sure if he is mafia, so I shifted my vote towards someone who has been actively lurking, Zyrre. I do not know his meta, so I am going to be keeping my vote on him for this until he proves me otherwise. I am not suspicious of Ace... I am even more suspicious of L than Ace, meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list. My analysis of Korynne and Radfield is that they're a power role. I do not know what power role they are. This would fit in line with Korynne's play when she was red in my eyes, although I believe Radfield is trying to convince her that they should play the PM game between theirselves
Yeah, it's been dead. But I was going through all your posts, so for me, it came back to life. =P.
ohhh... Zyrre is on team 7. lol, I didn't even check =P. Since you said his name specifically, I assumed it was because of something he posted.
For Ace: Good, that's more accurate =P. You had that subtle thing against Ace, which is why I brought that up.
I'll bite on Korynne/Radfield. There are unexpectedly inactive for them being them. Radfield is typically one of the most active players on Day 1, and he often suggests a game plan, etc. but I don't think I saw that this game? It's off from his usual play style I think. Korynne is the same way - I expect more posting from her, more analysis, more responses/thoughts on arguments happening, etc..
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On June 23 2010 13:57 Chezinu wrote:
"meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list." Really, they are that low on your suspect list? You don't think it is one of them combined with a team 6-9? such as team 8? Bill, can we please talk in IRC?
lol, you guys sound like a married couple.
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"decided to speak up and prove me right" is a non-nonsensical conclusion. No it isn't. The first post was terrible. This second post was terrible. 100% OMGUS and poorly written OMGUS at that.
summarize everyone’s opinions (incorrectly, at that) when you haven’t been around to ask them. Unless you are a part of a discussion and get everyone’s input, you can’t conclude what the majority’s opinions are. I mean, we hit gems like this.
I can't tell you what happened because I wasn't there at the time? Buddy, its a written game. I read through the entirety of pages 4-9 in one shot, so I had a fresh picture of who was being pushed against and who wasn't.
Reviewing the three pages before your post, I see no reason for you conclude that the town is leaning towards those three groups. You even missed the few posts right before yours that mention team 7. I'm glad you can't read, and I'm glad you learned that larger posts take time to write. Good job!
You make a bunch of claims as to the “town suspects” and then say whoever responds you know who their allies are? Uh, no, I said that I know YOUR team's allies if you die and flip red, which was the entire kernel of that post that we've been talking about for the past two fucking pages.
I'm absolutely dumbfounded. Never before have I seen a post so contrived as a way of 'winning' an argument that doesn't exist. Instead of continuing wasting time with you, I propose the following game for you to play:
Why don't you tell me what roles you think teams 3, 8 and 9 have.
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On June 23 2010 13:48 Caller wrote:
please lynch L he's such a fagtron
Can you do something this game besides being my useless Siamese twin?
Thx Caller :3 <3.
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@ Chezinu LOL entertainment value indeed, L's "tumor" speaks.
@ Durak's post counting - I'm actually third in quantity of posts. Chezinu is first, BM is second. Now if you're interested in quality... well lets just leave that to viewer discretion.
@ BM claiming sarcasm - that's a pretty awful way to present sarcasm. You may have been in a sarcastic frame of mind in writing it, but it definitely didn't come out that way. Muddying the waters.
@ Chez re BM Are you guys really playing the same role? ^^
Entertainment indeed. We need to do more team style mafia.
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Vote Analysis Time!
[QUOTE]
Votes for Team 2 (11)
Ace (Team 4)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Votes for Team 4 (3)
DarthThienAn
Votes for Team 7 (17)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Divinek (Team 9)
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L (Team 6)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)
/QUOTE]
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On June 23 2010 14:07 YellowInk wrote:
@ Chez re BM Are you guys really playing the same role? ^^
I was following along with Bill thinking he had a plan... yeah... Now, I'm playing as if I'm by myself. Except I'm suck voting for team 7 right now under the circumstances..
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Maybe they got two different PM's by accident %D
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On June 23 2010 14:03 L wrote:Show nested quote +Reviewing the three pages before your post, I see no reason for you conclude that the town is leaning towards those three groups. You even missed the few posts right before yours that mention team 7. I'm glad you can't read, and I'm glad you learned that larger posts take time to write. Good job!
I'mma let you finish, but I just have to say that you used this same argument against me and that was the worst argument of all time.
On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:
Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally.
Yup. I was writing a big post and it fell behind as other people posted quickly rather than the nefarious reasons you insinuated. Now, what do we call it when people hold double standards? If you were looking at this sort of thing from outside where you're sitting, what would you have to say about yourself?
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Vote Analysis Time!
Votes for Team 2 (13)
Ace (Team 4)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Votes for Team 7 (17)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Divinek (Team 9)
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L (Team 6)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)
As you can see from the Votes team 8 does not like me or BM.. Not sure which one they don't like or if they don't like either of us. Maybe they didn't like the fact that I voted for them at one point?
Not everyone has voted... this makes this early voting analysis hard.. wait a minute... Team 1 hasn't voted?
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On June 23 2010 14:18 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 14:03 L wrote:Reviewing the three pages before your post, I see no reason for you conclude that the town is leaning towards those three groups. You even missed the few posts right before yours that mention team 7. I'm glad you can't read, and I'm glad you learned that larger posts take time to write. Good job! I'mma let you finish, but I just have to say that you used this same argument against me and that was the worst argument of all time. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:
Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. Yup. I was writing a big post and it fell behind as other people posted quickly rather than the nefarious reasons you insinuated. Now, what do we call it when people hold double standards? If you were looking at this sort of thing from outside where you're sitting, what would you have to say about yourself?
No, when I mentioned you it had nothing to do with the time lag of your post. It had to do with you replying after durak started a shitstorm. You had expressly read what I had written because you would not have otherwise made a post. When writing a large post, if you take an hour to type things up, the previous hour worth of posts might not be included in what you're writing, hence the time lag.
Does my post say anything about yours being time lagged or having taken too much time to write? No. It refered to the fact that your post on the situation was a reaction to the position your ally put you in.
How you could confuse the two evades me.
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I hope you get modkilled.
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Caller don't do it! It isn't worth it! Just stay a little longer, it might all work out. I know you two have your trouble, but can't you work it out? I just don't want to see it end this way.. Please Caller! For the love of the game, don't do it! I know it seems unbearable at the moment, but I believe that once you two spend enough time together, you will see each other in a different Light. Well, maybe not Light... L wouldn't like that... Perhaps in Darkness you two will learn to live with eachother. Caller you end is not now... It is too soon. Please consider your ways!
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For the love of the game
Kevin Costner? lol
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I almost said for the love of Ace but I'm trying to bring him up too much..
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Voting for team 7 because I agree with YI: we need to get inactives to post. Also, because I might get banned from TL.
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Vote Analysis Time!
Votes for Team 2 (13)
Ace (Team 4)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Votes for Team 7 (20)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L (Team 6)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)
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Not Voting:
Radfield(1)
Korynne(1)
Caller(6)
Nikon(7)
Zyrre(7)
MooCow (9)
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ebwop: unless you count caller's vote on himself and L.
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On June 23 2010 14:43 Durak wrote:
Voting for team 7 because I agree with YI: we need to get inactives to post. Also, because I might get banned from TL.
lol
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On June 23 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Not Voting:
Radfield(1)
Korynne(1)
Caller(6)
Nikon(7)
Zyrre(7)
MooCow (9)
So really, we aren't killing anyone. We are just killing meeple who went afk anyways.. Not that anyone should switch votes and kill me... We should just kill meeple... yeah... uh oh... I spoke too much... how about team 8? What if team 1 shows up last minute? Its too late voting will end in like 8 hours, don't kill me! Just don't do it!
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Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I still can't get used to the fact that Team logos do not show up in the Mafia forum.
Also Caller your vote is in the wrong place.
Also vote count updated.
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On June 23 2010 14:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Not Voting:
Radfield(1)
Korynne(1)
Caller(6)
Nikon(7)
Zyrre(7)
MooCow (9)
So really, we aren't killing anyone. We are just killing meeple who went afk anyways.. Not that anyone should switch votes and kill me... We should just kill meeple... yeah... uh oh... I spoke too much... how about team 8? What if team 1 shows up last minute? Its too late voting will end in like 8 hours, don't kill me! Just don't do it!
Honestly, the voting for inactives is for emphasis that we the town are unhappy with their work thus far.
If they're going to get 2/3 modkilled it may still be worth hanging the 1/3 remaining since they are clearly inactive. If mafia, that's still contributing to KP, but the voting influence is mostly eliminated. Is this something worth killing? It may be worth just considering other targets. We definitely still have plenty of time to discuss.
I havn't been altogether impressed by team 9's content. MooCow has regurgitated a bit of what others have said and provided no real content. MooCow has also had the time to post elsewhere on TL despite having only 3 posts in this game. DCLXVI has posted nothing of relevance except 'I agree with voting on BM' in his 4 posts. In Divinek's 11 posts he has gotten slightly involved with my and Durek's arguments, poking here, questioning there. But mostly he's just posted one liner 'hey look I'm here' and finished with an 'I don't know if I'll be posting tomorrow so I'll vote now'.
If team 7 is looking to get mostly modkilled, the last player is almost assuredly town and team 9 may just be a choice. If team 7 'suddenly shows up' at the end and posts no content, I'd probably want to lynch them for it. I do question the potential for partial team inactivity leading to strategic modkilling, but this probably isn't a road worth investigating. I really havn't decided one way or the other on this - I'm tired and headed to bed.
Bottom line is you all need to post more. I just don't understand how people can join these games and not want to get knee deep in the middle of it.
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On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion.
just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist?
I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch
My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.
So, we have the team list!
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder...
Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier
Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
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i'm still waiting for the explanation of your coded messages with chez
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I read the whole thread but this latest post catches my eye:
On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
ITT: Proposing an arbitrary method of quantifying the amount of scumness each team possesses in such a manner as to fit your OMGUS against Zyrre, and also to support lynching the target of "lynch the inactives" as well. But then again, you say yourself that team 1 has been very inactive so far - the same can be said for your team as well since a portion of your posts have been coded, then there's posts like this one, which are just grasping at straws, and then there's posts like
On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
Which is just blatantly wrong. Your numbers are off, and even if they weren't, they're based off an assumption that's not entirely verifiable. Moreover
On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
You guarantee us that something might happen? Shit, I guarantee you that it might rain tomorrow in Arizona.
I like how both you and YellowInk deal a preemptive strike at me, clearly if team 7 suddenly shows up after all the inactivity, that's a scumtell.
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From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on.
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On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.
This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them.
Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages.
I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me.
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Guess I'll just keep posting my thoughts since none of you are probably up.
BM wrote this:
and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder...
about me.
The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it.
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On June 23 2010 18:15 Zyrre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.
This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them. Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages. I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me.
Didnt you just say if you were going to vote for someone active you would do it based on all the posting that has been done today? Then you cast your vote on bm's team saying it just feels 'off' without any reasonable backing, starting to like my vote where it is based on this and the first post
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On June 23 2010 13:12 DarthThienAn wrote:
BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
When I saw that list, I immediately interpreted it as a summary of the last few pages, possibly because I had recently read all of the posts and knew it was along those lines, but still, I didn't see it as a random "L's lynch list" kind of deal or anything like that at all.
Divinek, that's all I wanted to know =p.
yo brosef i see you voted for mah team. But yeah id like to know why since at this point team 1 can basically jump in and sway the current win either way, was it something in my saying or is it cause my team mates have been too quiet. Wouldn't want your vote to be the deciding one sitting idly on my team
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Several players posted about BM's early posting with flawed logic and at that time I posted I was leaning towards him. I now responded to one of his latest post(partly directed at me), and explained why it was wrong.
Do you want me to quote it all in one post? It seems unnecessary.
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Naw, it's just you bolded the word all so i really was expecting a lot to justify a vote or something. It's just harder to interpret, do you agree with everything that has been said about him? Or only certain parts? Do you have any of your own original ideas on it? Feelings just dont seem such an easy thing to rely on
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Ok, I'll stop using that word and be more specific. The last sentence was just a badly worded summary.
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On June 23 2010 16:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i'm still waiting for the explanation of your coded messages with chez
i met a guy named judge from mini mafia 3
i met him on a site called mafia scum his name is AGar
"Ah I see. I stumbled in at the beginning of Jaedong/Flash (Bacchus OSL/GOMTV S4 MSL), but I watched the GOMTV Star Invite and saw Iris play.
I am, but I'm not too active anymore - vx70GTOJudgexv
I've kinda stopped following seriously."
I decided to copy his medic claim to soak a mafia hit, but as we are sort of a target to be lynched, i'll admit that we are not a medic and were trying to help the down by pushing whoever (if we have any) are blue into a later game scenario...
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On June 23 2010 16:15 Nikon wrote:I read the whole thread but this latest post catches my eye: Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have. ITT: Proposing an arbitrary method of quantifying the amount of scumness each team possesses in such a manner as to fit your OMGUS against Zyrre, and also to support lynching the target of "lynch the inactives" as well. But then again, you say yourself that team 1 has been very inactive so far - the same can be said for your team as well since a portion of your posts have been coded, then there's posts like this one, which are just grasping at straws, and then there's posts like Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch? Which is just blatantly wrong. Your numbers are off, and even if they weren't, they're based off an assumption that's not entirely verifiable. Moreover Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
You guarantee us that something might happen? Shit, I guarantee you that it might rain tomorrow in Arizona. I like how both you and YellowInk deal a preemptive strike at me, clearly if team 7 suddenly shows up after all the inactivity, that's a scumtell.
How is it an OMGUS when he voted for me just like an hour ago? I've been saying this guy is scummy for like 20 hours. I don't care if you show up, your buddy on your team is scummy.
If you really read my post you would see that I am advocating lynching one of 4 teams, not just yours. I am advocating lynching a team without someone who has voted first. I picked yours because I have reasons not to pick the other ones. Team 9 are split, Team 1 are inactive, and I feel like Team 3 are probably newer players. Your team doesn't have a real excuse for your scumminess and lack of voting someone first which makes me feel like you are the best lynch candidate and who will be lynched unless Radfield and Korynne come out and both vote for Chez and I which would indicate that they are probably scum (at least to me, as I am privy to my role PM)
On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote:
From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on.
It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone.
On June 23 2010 18:37 Zyrre wrote:Guess I'll just keep posting my thoughts since none of you are probably up. BM wrote this: Show nested quote +and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... about me. The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it.
Hmm... you do have a point there.
I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me.
i KNOW voting for me is bad for the town.
I have also heard there is a trend with 3rd voters being scum. Lets analyze who put the 3rd vote on teams:
lets see who was the 3rd to vote for team 7: On June 23 2010 10:17 LaXerCannon wrote:
##vote: Team 7
hmm. LaXerCannon is with bumatlarge. I *did* have minor fos on him with his argument from yellowink in which he appeared sort of scummy early on.
the third vote on my team -> On June 23 2010 10:24 meeple wrote:
##Vote: BM/Chez
Funny it's from team 7. Every "method" I can think of points to them somehow.
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I don't know what the deal with Radfield is. He seems a bit missing... =(
I haven't cast my vote because I know I'll be around at the deadline so there's really no point in voting ahead of time.
In terms of inactivity, I don't really do much on day 1 unless there's something about the setup to discuss. Like, PYP with Qatol and number claiming and role claiming. The other time in Bang Bang i was trying to set up a town system which clearly didn't work... xD
I feel like I ease into the game better as days go by, so don't expect too much from me on Day 1. That being said, I will post analysis of teams in a bit (I have class now).
I will analyze BM/Chez, LaXer/bum, Durak/YI, Nikon/Zyrre.
Explanation for skipping the rest:
1. I'm not going to analyze myself...
4. I like Ace's style, so I'm probably biased, also they don't seem to be suspicious atm
6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\
8/9 Feels like they're not talking much yet, also not sure how to read new people.
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6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\
the problem is, as in WaW mafia, Caller is inactive as shit on day 1 as mafia
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On June 23 2010 21:54 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 16:15 Nikon wrote:I read the whole thread but this latest post catches my eye: On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have. ITT: Proposing an arbitrary method of quantifying the amount of scumness each team possesses in such a manner as to fit your OMGUS against Zyrre, and also to support lynching the target of "lynch the inactives" as well. But then again, you say yourself that team 1 has been very inactive so far - the same can be said for your team as well since a portion of your posts have been coded, then there's posts like this one, which are just grasping at straws, and then there's posts like On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch? Which is just blatantly wrong. Your numbers are off, and even if they weren't, they're based off an assumption that's not entirely verifiable. Moreover On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
You guarantee us that something might happen? Shit, I guarantee you that it might rain tomorrow in Arizona. I like how both you and YellowInk deal a preemptive strike at me, clearly if team 7 suddenly shows up after all the inactivity, that's a scumtell. How is it an OMGUS when he voted for me just like an hour ago? I've been saying this guy is scummy for like 20 hours. I don't care if you show up, your buddy on your team is scummy. If you really read my post you would see that I am advocating lynching one of 4 teams, not just yours. I am advocating lynching a team without someone who has voted first. I picked yours because I have reasons not to pick the other ones. Team 9 are split, Team 1 are inactive, and I feel like Team 3 are probably newer players. Your team doesn't have a real excuse for your scumminess and lack of voting someone first which makes me feel like you are the best lynch candidate and who will be lynched unless Radfield and Korynne come out and both vote for Chez and I which would indicate that they are probably scum (at least to me, as I am privy to my role PM) Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote:
From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on. It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 18:37 Zyrre wrote:Guess I'll just keep posting my thoughts since none of you are probably up. BM wrote this: and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... about me. The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it. Hmm... you do have a point there. I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me. i KNOW voting for me is bad for the town. I have also heard there is a trend with 3rd voters being scum. Lets analyze who put the 3rd vote on teams: lets see who was the 3rd to vote for team 7: hmm. LaXerCannon is with bumatlarge. I *did* have minor fos on him with his argument from yellowink in which he appeared sort of scummy early on. the third vote on my team -> Funny it's from team 7. Every "method" I can think of points to them somehow.
Don't play coy with me Murray, you don't know shit. At first we were being voted for being inactive and now you said you're not voting team 1 cause they were inactive? But since you've been saying that Zyrre is scummy for 20 hours,
No wait, you haven't. He said that he's suspicious of you and then you procceeded to make up "evidence" as to why team 7 is mafia. How's that for an OMGUS? You say he voted for you not too long ago? Well, no shit, your team has the second highest votecount (I wonder why) and is the obvious choice in the position he's in. Not to mention your posts make as much sense as Chezinu's coded whargbargl which just serves to mud up the thread. Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. Let me direct your attention to something you wrote:
On June 23 2010 21:54 Bill Murray wrote:Hmm... you do have a point there.
I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me.
That's just another piece of crap, an easy way out for you when we flip green. You can point back to it and say "Well, I told you I wasn't the best". It's the same deal as your "I can guarantee 25% chance of success" which doesn't guarantee anything in the end. And how did you arrive at that number? You KNOW voting for you is bad for the town? Well, how about the stirrup you've caused from nothing? That isn't bad? At this point there's 18% chance that you're mafia, and that shot is as good as any.
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BM:
It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone.
I'm assuming you're talking about either this:
YI said:
If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by,
So I guess he means if both are somewhat inactive.
Even so, a team with one good player and one inactive should be looked upon as a single good player for a regular game in my opinion. We don't gain anything from lynching the inactive half do we?
Maybe looking at them slightly more suspicious, but not much.
or this:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
One is a simple clarification + me actually disagreeing with YI because I did not understand the voting rules (teams are lynched instead of players).
The other would not be anything to go on if we would flip red. YI posted a whole lot, he pointed something out that seemed reasonable and that I would therefore base my voting on.
I don't see how you can call this kissing up.
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Radfield
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On June 23 2010 22:19 Korynne wrote:
I don't know what the deal with Radfield is. He seems a bit missing... =(
I haven't cast my vote because I know I'll be around at the deadline so there's really no point in voting ahead of time.
In terms of inactivity, I don't really do much on day 1 unless there's something about the setup to discuss. Like, PYP with Qatol and number claiming and role claiming. The other time in Bang Bang i was trying to set up a town system which clearly didn't work... xD
I feel like I ease into the game better as days go by, so don't expect too much from me on Day 1. That being said, I will post analysis of teams in a bit (I have class now).
I will analyze BM/Chez, LaXer/bum, Durak/YI, Nikon/Zyrre.
Explanation for skipping the rest:
1. I'm not going to analyze myself...
4. I like Ace's style, so I'm probably biased, also they don't seem to be suspicious atm
6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\
8/9 Feels like they're not talking much yet, also not sure how to read new people.
I'm here Korynne, and I'm trying, but two games+ super busy = low activity. Thank goodness that there's no talking in BM's game during the night. I'll send you a PM and lets find a time we're both online.
I'm not sure why me and Korynne haven't been getting more flak for being inactive, but I'm glad. I'm going to try to be more active though.
Initial thoughts:
Lynching inactives at this point seems foolish(says the inactive poster). We don't learn anything from it, and those people are never mafia anyways. Mafia are generally pretty sure to stay above the inactivity radar on day 1. However, most of the people seem to agree with that and are voting on scummyness. Also, voting for inactives give the mafia a great place to hide, and a clear cut reason for voting.
L and Caller strike me as a little off for the moment. Both because Caller is very inactive and L is generating a lot of confusion in the thread.
BM and Chez don't strike me as mafia. But they're hard to get a read on given their posting styles.
I will be going over some of the same teams as Korynne, and we'll try to form a concensus on what we think.
I'll post more later, I just wanted to get down some thoughts.
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Billinu/Chez Murray
+ Show Spoiler +
Beginning is just random spam, nothing uncharacteristic of Chez or BM though I would say.
Continuous amounts of morse code talk despite being able to PM each other and the availability of morse code translators online.
Mistakes YellowInk for someone else from Three Kingdoms Mafia.
BM states that people complaining about their encoding system are likely to be mafia...
Argument with YellowInk and stating YellowInk is scummy.
Chez disagrees with BM and says some mumbo jumbo.
Chez asks whether he should reveal if he believes a team is blue/red.
Chez posts an "analysis" of Korynne/Radfield, its overall reaction from others has been uh wut, that made no sense.
Chez states that it is a trend for mafia/blue to discuss blue roles more.
Chez says that Korynne/Radfield were too excited when the game started...
Chez says he wants to wait for L to put order to town.
Chez states that he believes YellowInk to be more town.
Chez says BM made him shit up the thread on Day 1 after L asked.
BM scrutinizes YellowInk some more, accuses Ace of wanting to kill off the only people that are scum hunting.
BM continues with morse code even after everyone basically says that's a terrible thing.
BM states Zyrre is drawing his FoS.
Chez states that having only a select few being able to read his code makes the game "fun"
BM still onto Zyrre.
Etc etc. BM says he's town.
Chez plays a kind of "victim" role where he's like omg BM isn't explaining things to me, why can't town analyze me instead of him?
Chez "breaks up" with BM, and is now supposedly doing his own thing.
More randomly BM/Chez bickering in the thread...
BM/Chez really onto the whole "vote analysis" idea. If they turn up scum, I would examine their take on the vote analysis more.
BM claims that they are normal townies, not medic.
Etc etc etc.
Chez and BM regularly post random things indicating that they have not spoken to each other for a while or need to speak to each other. Not sure how to read this, but they seem to do this alot.
Oh btw, in response to "No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory"
We don't really need to come up with our own idea on who to vote for if we haven't voted yet... I would say it's only scummy if I just voted for whoever had a bunch of votes and said like oh yeah, what he said, you know...
Conclusion: Well they are really active... so I mean that's a plus. However quality of posting isn't all that great, but it is Day 1. I'm okay with letting them live at least another day to get a better read, since they are pretty guaranteed to speak a lot.
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What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then?
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Yeah I agree Radfield, on the whole why have we not been getting more flak for not posting. But honestly, if we were mafia that would probably be the dumbest thing to do. Oh hey, let's just blatantly play not our usual style and see if we look suspicious.
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I think the reason you two aren't getting a lot of flak is because a couple of players are setting off everyone's radar.
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if by "setting off radars" you mean "attempting to become a bastion of pro-town play by forming a town circle"
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I am just kidding. I am not playing well this game doing vote analysis?
I was trying to help the town in all honesty. If you all want me to do something, ask it of me, and I will do it. My play this game is not in line with my play as mafia -at all-.
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There seems to be little flak going around in general, Im looking at my previously poor constructed posts and people notice but they didnt really pressure me for clarification on where I was going with it. I saw L make a comment about Darh and Ace already having enough content to judge them by.
Its not necssarily the same as inactivity, or even quantiy of posts. For instance Radfield has barely posted, but you can get substance from his posts and get a clear position on his stance. Most of what I have posted is roughly the same as him, but garbled up and repeated (I blame the habit that when im using this small-ass keyboard I post like Im texting -_- and you dont think twice about it)
So if you haven't, make a clear vivd 5-7 line paragraph on what you think is important, if you have not posted substance yet. Check it as if you were handing in an assignment, so we can see your opinion clearly at least. I guess people yellow and darth have pointed out should go ahead and try it. Plus it's nice to see a fresh personality's take on things.
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Good morning everyone! I'm glad to see more activity from both teams 1 and 7. I've skimmed over the most recent posts and since it appears K/Rad are currently here I just want to throw out the quick Q:
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere.
I would agree with you that doing a bandwagon-lynch inactive at the end of day is largely ineffective. They don't have enough time to react, or even if they do, there may not be enough time to get votes shifted off of them.
I am currently satisfied that team 7's activity level has risen to a more acceptable level, but they need to maintain it.
Is there enough time left to pressure team 9 into doing the same?
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On June 24 2010 01:06 YellowInk wrote:
Is there enough time left to pressure team 9 into doing the same?
nope
give me some time to read through all that was posted last night
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I am not mafia because of this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119497
That is a game in which I played as mafia. I am providing that for you. Use it how you will. That game saw me generally making one liners and not providing any positive plan for the town. Early on I create a plan that even tries to advise for a no lynch, in this game I try to provide FOR a lynch in numerous scenarios which point towards the same team just on mathematical trends and heartfelt feelings.
In that game, I mainly communicated out of the thread, on MSN with my mafia buddies. I tried to pm with just chez, but that's not my style. I'm not really that good one on one... I'm ok with like 5 guys, but not with one evidently. Chez and I work better on our own than together, whereas if it was Chez, myself, and another team it would be different and I would be concentrating out of the thread which would be limiting my post count/amount of words I actually type in the thread
Another reason is the fact that when I am mafia I do not put myself out there like this because I do not want to be viewed as a "fuck up" as mafia. I have TONS of grammatical and spelling errors in relation to when I am not mafia for instance. In that game, I even miss-word something that ends up in me looking like I said I was mafia! That's the extent I fuck up when trying to type in the thread.
Given these three reasons, I cannot be mafia in your eyes if you compare my play from this game and that game.
-> What we need to do going forward:
Bill Murray's 3-step plan
1) Create more discussion
a. ask each other questions/create funny trends
. why are you voting this way?
. why are you inactive?
. ace and L arguments
. Nobody Cares!
b. analyze past games of players
. as town
. as townie
. as mafia
2)Use said discussion to scumhunt
a. analyze scummy behavior
. ad hom, ate, omgus, strawman, chainsaw, w/e
. voting trends
b. relate scummy behavior to player slots
3) Lynch mafia
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Checking clocks it looks like we have about 10 hours left in the day, so I'd lean towards no on the question I just presented. I'm not sure where I want to put my vote besides on bumatlarge at the moment. At the least, consider my vote off of team 7, it'll be going somewhere else as I havn't read obvious mafia there.
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I'm just find it meaningless posting until I have some suspicion or have something to respond to. As the game goes on my activity goes up, check my previous game for that.
I'm usually offline from ~09 KST to ~18 KST, which is why I don't respond during the most heated discussions.
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What does everyone think about team 8?
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Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws.
i think bm is correct on this one and third votes on a team/person is a legitimate theory for finding scum
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On June 24 2010 01:16 Zyrre wrote:
I'm just find it meaningless posting until I have some suspicion or have something to respond to. As the game goes on my activity goes up, check my previous game for that.
I'm usually offline from ~09 KST to ~18 KST, which is why I don't respond during the most heated discussions.
I had considered that when I checked where you were from.
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Team 8 is starting to get active, so I'd put them on a neutral tier now
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On June 24 2010 01:17 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. i think bm is correct on this one and third votes on a team/person is a legitimate theory for finding scum
hey, i will be the first to admit i'm not the world's best at scum-hunting, but we have Ace and L here to help us do that. Only problem is Ace's radar must be off if he is honestly thinking I am scum. He must be misreading my improvement as a player negatively I guess.
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let's just lynch L and Caller and call it a night
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On June 24 2010 01:17 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. i think bm is correct on this one and third votes on a team/person is a legitimate theory for finding scum
no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense.
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On June 24 2010 01:18 bumatlarge wrote:
Team 8 is starting to get active, so I'd put them on a neutral tier now
alright, I' thinking about staying on team 7 - I was questioning myself. Now I'm curious to see how my following theory turns out:
On June 23 2010 05:22 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. Problem: there are no sides. It's not one or the other.
I know that scum like to emphasis debates between two townies. This occurred in Bang Bang:
On June 01 2010 01:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:35 LunarDestiny wrote:
Wow, just 10 hours of sleep and I got in the shit list. My lack on post contrary to the last game I play(fucked up ROTK mafia) is because there my lack of knowledge in mafia game.
Right now, there is two sides of town and I had to choose a side. I don't think we can win that way if town is spilt in half. Since L is getting like half a dozen? of people supporting him and people do claim he has a good plan, I will watch how him use the role claim list in the future.
Lastly, I can shoot. What a minute... who said there were two sides?
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On June 24 2010 01:19 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 01:17 johnnyspazz wrote:Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. i think bm is correct on this one and third votes on a team/person is a legitimate theory for finding scum hey, i will be the first to admit i'm not the world's best at scum-hunting, but we have Ace and L here to help us do that. Only problem is Ace's radar must be off if he is honestly thinking I am scum. He must be misreading my improvement as a player negatively I guess.
Don't worry, I think L is just as scummy as you are.
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I am really not sure who is scum. I want to vote for someone else, but until we can get more people to vote and pick a good choice I will keep my vote here I guess
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ace i wish you would pick someone who was actually scum this game so we can have an easy win as town ... you going for me is pointless, trust me this once bro
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I'm on BM's team and I think he is scummy... That must mean you really think L is scummy. Oh and I disagree with BM's analysis. I just posted the voting analysis to let the mafia know that we are watching the votes and to get a clear picture of which teams are voting for who. I still don't have every player memorized to a team.
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Bill, why do you taunt Ace?
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I am not taunting him at all, in fact I meant it as a compliment. Like, hey, man, we need you.
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On June 24 2010 01:31 Bill Murray wrote:
ace i wish you would pick someone who was actually scum this game so we can have an easy win as town ... you going for me is pointless, trust me this once bro
calm down. Like I said I think L is just as scummy as you are. I just refuse to vote for Team 7 because I don't think them being inactive = them being scum. Your team and Ls team just come off as better candidates for a lynch so far.
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then lets lynch caller his behavior is pretty much the same as in WaW (until he had a nuke shot at him he hadnt posted anything really)
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So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez?
And, did I say there were only two sides?
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Oh trust me I've considered it. While I pegged you as scummy, and chezinu as doing his brain dead act - L has been causing confusion, pointing tons of fingers while Caller has been pretty much lurking. I'm really close to switching my vote trust me.
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On June 24 2010 01:36 Zyrre wrote:
So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez?
And, did I say there were only two sides?
No, not clearly. I took note of that. Who do you suspect?
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BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there.
I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you.
Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX!
So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum.
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How will lynching us give you any information? Anyways, I really wanted to change my vote too as I stated earlier. We just need enough people to change to same target.
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On June 24 2010 01:38 YellowInk wrote:
BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there.
I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you.
Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX!
So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum.
Given the moment that occurred in the Random Voting Stage, and how you have cleared yourself with me, that leaves my minor fos that had manifested at bum. I will go with this if you have a feeling that he is mafia. I am not that good at scumhunting, but I will lend my aid in your scumhunting... if that makes any sense lol
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I think you're the only one that read bum/lax as scummy. What did they do that was so bad anyway? They aren't inactive and they haven't really thrown around many FOSs.
Also hanging BM/Chez and them not flipping red gives you more information how? Be specific because everyone uses that line. Killing people for the sake of information is one of the scummiest arguments we've seen on this forum (looking at you L).
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sounds like ace is protecting the other scum team to me
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Bill, you seriously changed your vote off of team 7 on a whim like that? We could get killed by such actions.. No wonder you said you get lynched as town a lot.. you are going to destroy my perfect record! but then again I could always say my teammates got me lynched...I will now be Pyrr and BM.. hehe
Seriously though BM, we need to get a good number of people to agree before switching votes.
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There is a problem with shifting our votes, though, unless we do it TOGETHER:
Many players doing this with different targets will cut down the lynching pressure that is vital to gaining new information
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In short, the way that BM and bum attacked me with BM being aggressive and bum staying more to the shadows is what raised my suspicion. Bum's awful post made me read red on him earlier. + Show Spoiler + His continued posting style did not lend him any credit.
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@Mod: are there any masons in this game other than set teams and mafia?
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assuming there are 2 mafia teams
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On June 24 2010 01:48 Bill Murray wrote:
@Mod: are there any masons in this game other than set teams and mafia?
No.
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I don't really mind you or L's policing of the thread, though, Ace, but I feel that it inhibits discussion somewhat.
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On June 24 2010 01:41 Chezinu wrote:
How will lynching us give you any information? Anyways, I really wanted to change my vote too as I stated earlier. We just need enough people to change to same target.
If I am reasonably confident that at least one of you is mafia due to the nature of the attack and one of you is lynched, that makes it likely the other is mafia. If one of you is lynched and you come up mafia, it makes it reasonably likely the other is town.
The combined pressure, the heavily red sounding post from bum, and the illogical attacks from BM, all of these circumstances make me think that scum is involved somewhere. Since the mafia player tends to be the one more towards the shadows (and clearly bum has done a good job of not drawing attention to himself), I strongly lean towards bum being the more likely red.
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On June 24 2010 01:51 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 01:48 Bill Murray wrote:
@Mod: are there any masons in this game other than set teams and mafia? No.
thanks i didnt want to accuse someone of something and expose anyone if they were pro town
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On June 24 2010 01:52 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't really mind you or L's policing of the thread, though, Ace, but I feel that it inhibits discussion somewhat.
I disagree, it makes me comfortable because I actually have a feel of what is going on when they argue. It feels somewhat normal and orderly.
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I don't mind it, it's just hard to outshine it.
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For any that havn't already done so, I'd recommend just quickly flipping through bumatlarge's posts for more evidence of why I hold the stance I do. He has a solid number of posts, but many of them are spammy. LaXerCannon only has a few posts comprised of being unsure of rules, spam, and complaining of being brain scrambled.
The content from this team isn't even as good as Team 7's (now that they've picked up the ball) and what content they do have mostly paints them red.
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On June 24 2010 01:06 YellowInk wrote:
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere.
Yes, the majority of the bandwagon on me happened while I was sleeping, and since Zyrre is from Europe as well, I can only assume the same for him...
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On June 24 2010 02:08 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 01:06 YellowInk wrote:
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere. Yes, the majority of the bandwagon on me happened while I was sleeping, and since Zyrre is from Europe as well, I can only assume the same for him...
That's fine. I had just done a post count after the 24 hour mark and your team came up with 1, 2, 1 posts. That was just way too low to allow - it was a reasonable bandwagon. Glad to see you guys picking it up. Just keep it up.
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Let me ask again:
What do you think of this
On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.
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On June 24 2010 01:38 YellowInk wrote:
BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there.
I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you.
Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX!
So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum.
Feels good man.
I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town. I'm not sure how deep chez played the game he was mafia, but if he kept making silly comments and didn't try a legitmate apology that game, I doubt he's maniacal enough to do it this game. sellfishly hope a DT checks me to prove yo wrong, but it would be waste of a rolecheck just negating your suspicions. But then I know the next thing you'll say is "Thats just you trying to throw the DT off and saving yourself you scuma diver" So you know what?
DT check me tonight to cater to this. Honestly do it so the mafia might get inclined to hit me thinking im something and if im checked, would make me a very legitimate target. That could also draw a medic too. It wold be funny because it might draw the hit away from more analytical players then lax and I.
You did this last game yellow, and we didn't bother to stop you because you were making little sense, but later on you became a threat i gess, Maybe you started off this game like BM and chez are just using a guise that you saw through immediately. Well then you are the better and I humy subject myself to yoursuperior eye for mafia. Or maybe your just hallucinating again. Maybe BM and I were jus t attempting simple noob minded analysis. You honestly thinnk either of us are expecting to live til the end, which I hear is good thing for mafia .
If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia. Surely we will have caght one other red team by then. If I disagree any point after this, you can assume I have clearly stated that I am scum.
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On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.
I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!
It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.
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On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself! It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.
In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine.
As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him.
That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.
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On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself! It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either. In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine. As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him. That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.
I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification?
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On June 24 2010 01:47 YellowInk wrote:In short, the way that BM and bum attacked me with BM being aggressive and bum staying more to the shadows is what raised my suspicion. Bum's awful post made me read red on him earlier. + Show Spoiler + His continued posting style did not lend him any credit.
Oh im at fault, I assumed you meant the post below that. That was a mistake on my part as I didn't do the proper math involving the setups available ntil I read that post. It was posted based on insufficient thought and lack of information on my part. I suppose I never said I corrected it the post down the page. If you think that was purposeful and I intended to never correct it, then I could see why you are thinking that way.
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so this is where the votes stand now:
+ Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)
Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6
Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez
Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote
my team is split, and I think moocow left the game
New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread.
Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons.
L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched
I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more.
I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain.
Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.
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confusing the setups is one thing, mislynching based upon the policy of a mafia-policeman stifling conversation is another. the fact that i have backed off team 7 should nearly confirm me... i am risking dying to try to get someone who is red lynched.
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On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.
you act just like incognito
you provide the devil's advocates argument
then you fail to actually act on it
it's like america going to war and protesting it at the same time
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thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.
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The obly reason i voted for 7 was inactivity. Now that they are active, 8 is the least active. I'm sorry about my posts being confsing, im not doint it on purpose. Im trying to stay active through my phone, but I guess its hurting more then helping.
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On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself! It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either. In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine. As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him. That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't. I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification?
I haven't played enough to know if that swap is good. On the face of it, it seems to be the definitive way to figure out who mafia is. It seems like coming out with no information would be fruitless?
Anyway, I'm still confused why you're advocating detective and medic use their abilities on you. Is that to waste a turn to prove you're innocent because we can't trust you or possibly because you want them wasted? I don't know. I just want some more discussion.
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On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.
Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long.
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On June 24 2010 03:40 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote:On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself! It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either. In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine. As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him. That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't. I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification? I haven't played enough to know if that swap is good. On the face of it, it seems to be the definitive way to figure out who mafia is. It seems like coming out with no information would be fruitless? Anyway, I'm still confused why you're advocating detective and medic use their abilities on you. Is that to waste a turn to prove you're innocent because we can't trust you or possibly because you want them wasted? I don't know. I just want some more discussion.
It normally wouldnt be, but with only 2 mafia, a Dt ca halve tthe mafias force.
I was just suggesting that I dont mind getting checked, but then mafia might as well hit someone whoo gets confirmed as townie, but then that wold have to ncludei roleblocker, which I seem to forget often enough. And that I would be a nice death for the town as im apparently suspicious, and THEY wont hit someone more useful.
Im going to wait til Iet home to post because this is a nightmare on a phone.
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@bumatlarge It was posting 'errors' and anti town overall playstyle that made me feed your name to the DT in XXVI, and that's what got you hung. You're making similar errors here. To be fair I havn't read a game where you are town, so maybe you're just always this way.
Also, don't put words in my mouth - I was quite clear about how your post was flawed. I never said a DT should sit on scum info. I pointed out how aligning to a plan of DT not saying anything until day 3 no matter what is a bad idea. That being said, you're making good adjustments to your 'play' in apologizing for 'errors', but I'm not exactly convinced.
@DCLXVI This is not a new crusade. I called out bum much earlier and was my opening vote. As some time passed and team 7 was shown to be inactive after 24 hours and no one seemed interested in going after bum, I switched to apply pressure. As it stands now I don't have solid reads on anyone - bum is just the best target I've got.
As an aside, I'm curious what L/Caller have to say about recent events. Is Caller even going to play? L is probably at work. I'd like to hear more from them though preferably in a way that doesn't confuse most people. Also Rad/Korynne, it seemed like you were going to get more active but then you got quiet again. You're right that we probably should be giving you guys more flak.
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@ DTA: Why exactly is your vote on team 9? I had proposed it earlier for potential inactivity, but when it got down to it, there wasn't enough time to make use of the pressure. It may be worth considering on day 2 if they don't pick up their content quality. I havn't seen anything that paints them red yet besides their insufficient posting substance.
@ all the 3 player teams to each individual player: Honestly I havn't been impressed with any of your individual content. Some of you have come up to medium level, but none of you have really been shining. Whatever else you want to say about BM/Chez, they've been very active. For some of those who havn't said as much on the 2 player teams, most of those few posts have been thick with information about their thoughts and stances.
As a member of the town you are expected to each of you individually provide enough content that we can get a fair read on your stance so that we can figure to some reasonable degree if we think you are town or scum. I wonder if being on a 3 player team makes you feel that you don't need to say as much? I expect more of you.
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Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
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I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town.
Wow, I was just about to come here and post that I was going to change my play and apologize for acting too crazy. I shouldn't have played along with BM... From this post forward, I am a changed man. Thank you for your forgiveness. Now, let us play as civil townies.
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LaXeratlarge and bumCannon
+ Show Spoiler +Uhh...I have a hard time understanding what bumatlarge is saying, to be honest.
There's a rather awkward post:
"This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over"
I mean it could just be a joke and whatever, but what if it was supposed to be a response to YellowInk that he accidentally posted in the thread? I would put the likelihood of that at like 3% but something to reconsider if either of them turns out red.
Okay honestly I have a lot of trouble reading bumatlarge's posts...
bumatlarge encourages people to post quality stuff.
I don't get this whole I'll bandwagon myself if it gets to day 4 thing, but it turns my radar down some because it would be rather silly for mafia to propose such a weird idea. They obviously can't die at night so it's like saying, if we survive 3 lynches, let's not survive another one! I don't think bum is good enough to pull a risky move like this as mafia.
Conclusion: I don't know...bumatlarge just feels really confusing to me. I wouldn't mind lynching them or giving them another day to clear up. I don't like bum's lynch us day 4 claim, because it means mafia can keep you around to day 4 and win essentially if you are town. But without the threat of killing you day 4 then you could be making a decent mafia move.
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Zyrre, if you are between BM and bum I would say lynch bum, only because Bill/Chez are more active and so we can get a lot more out of them by giving them another day.
Also YellowInk, I'm at work, I assume Radfield is doing something important like work or something. xP We're more of the 5-10pm EST kind of people so just be patient with that one. xP I've just posted analysis on BM/Chez and LaX/bum because it was like something specific I could do without much interaction with the thread.
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Yeah Korynne, since more and more are switching frmo my team I will probably switch my vore later on.
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pregame PMs I had with BM:
+ Show Spoiler +To: Bill Murray [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Just so you know Date: 6/22/10 04:05 Ok, so we going are going to play sane for at least the first day. That means instead of playing defense most of the game by distracting people with seemly non-tactic posts to seem like a bored townie with nothing better to do than to just have fun messing with people (though by this point people should be wary of this tactic by now, but hopefully my brownish behavior as townie in the past will overshadow any concerns enough that they wouldn't risk lynching me until late game. Plus, my entertainment value should help me live as well.), I'll probably be more quiet and just analysis other people's posts - privately for now. I typically play crazy in public and serious in private. One strategy I have used in the past is to get people to react to my post. Fun topics may let people's guard down enough that they slip up and reveal their role. Plus is make people more comfortable - at least the less prudent ones. If people are having, fun they don't kill the source of the fun. As for offensive play, that kind of depends on our role. So, I will go into more detail once we know who we are. I have a plan in mind for this game. It involves sending PMs to the both or all three members on the same team. If they have a special role they are less likely to reply with a role claim without consulting their teammates. So, I was thinking that I was going to rush them with PMs early on to get initial reactions and watch for delays. If one of the members contradicts the other then we might have discovered something. Defense against such tactics: We need to communicate with each other well this game. I advise using an IRC and forwarding all PMs to each other. We need to plan how we will handle roleclaiming both publicly and through PMs. If you want to use an IRC we can use this one: http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#ESPORTSMAFIA triumphI've used this IRC in many mafia games. Forgot which game I first started using it in. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I do want to be inactive in the random voting stage I do not mind if we go with a theme, though I would rather play lurky and normal for the beginning. If we go with a theme, we should unleash is day two at the earliest imo. i am gonna go look to see if i got out role ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I won't be active until tonight - playing dead at the beginning of the game increases the odds of living. So, I guess it works out. How do you want to play this game? Sane or Insane? After playing insane last game I won't mind going back and playing like a normal person. But if you really want to learn the ways of the insane, then I guess we can take that path. If you do decide to take the insane path, here is what you need to do. You need to pick a theme that you will talk about the whole game. For instance, this game if I were playing the insane game I would talk about physical fighting such as boxing because of the game name. After you pick a main theme to talk about, you need to pick a function within the game to become "obsessed" about. For instance, last time I played I was interested in the Day vigi and the game before that it was the bomberman. New roles are a great distraction to act like your interested in the game. This game, perhaps you can talk about which game setup that you believe in, but I find that a big waste of time and just draws a huge target upon yourself. Let's keep that discussion to ourselves. I have thought of a theme that we can do. How about you are learning the way of the Drunken Monkey. You will be a fighter in training and I'll be your instructor. So you make a post in the thread and I'll quote it and comment on how you can improve/make it better. Well, I have to go to class. See you later. Oh, and you will probably read the role before I do. Maybe..
This is how good we are at following our own plans. Well, I quickly realized that PMs weren't allowed in the game so that whole strategy failed. I think I'm going to play the sane game now for real. I'm not sure how BM is going to play. But I think I'm going to play solo. Whether BM decides to continue to act crazy or not, I cannot control, all I can do is advice him to remain calm. So, now that I'm in my sane mind does anyone have any questions for me?
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On June 24 2010 04:55 Zyrre wrote:
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
nah, put it on bumatlarge/LaXerCannon. Bill Murray already posts enough as it is.
bumatlarge's posts are either extremely confusing or crappy, imo. If you remember my analysis on Bill Murray, that was actually supposed to be bumatlarge, but then I decided to switch. His latest posts don't convince me otherwise, either.
On June 24 2010 04:57 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +
I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town.
Wow, I was just about to come here and post that I was going to change my play and apologize for acting too crazy. I shouldn't have played along with BM... From this post forward, I am a changed man. Thank you for your forgiveness. Now, let us play as civil townies.
Actually, Chez, I find that your English of late is quite clear. =D.
On June 24 2010 05:01 Korynne wrote:LaXeratlarge and bumCannon+ Show Spoiler +Uhh...I have a hard time understanding what bumatlarge is saying, to be honest.
There's a rather awkward post:
"This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over"
I mean it could just be a joke and whatever, but what if it was supposed to be a response to YellowInk that he accidentally posted in the thread? I would put the likelihood of that at like 3% but something to reconsider if either of them turns out red.
Okay honestly I have a lot of trouble reading bumatlarge's posts...
bumatlarge encourages people to post quality stuff.
I don't get this whole I'll bandwagon myself if it gets to day 4 thing, but it turns my radar down some because it would be rather silly for mafia to propose such a weird idea. They obviously can't die at night so it's like saying, if we survive 3 lynches, let's not survive another one! I don't think bum is good enough to pull a risky move like this as mafia.
Conclusion: I don't know...bumatlarge just feels really confusing to me. I wouldn't mind lynching them or giving them another day to clear up. I don't like bum's lynch us day 4 claim, because it means mafia can keep you around to day 4 and win essentially if you are town. But without the threat of killing you day 4 then you could be making a decent mafia move.
Your analysis on his Day 4 is completely wrong, Korynne... it's an easy move for mafia to make. The majority of people who say things like that don't follow through with it. He could easily be convinced that he won't make it past Day 3 for obvious reasons. Day 4 is endgame, assuming no saves. No one's going to call him out on that when there are 3 teams total left, and he doesn't start the "bandwagon" on himself. So that post = yet another useless post. It says absolutely nothing and is thus, a waste of our time in the thread.
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Radfield
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On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.
Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see.
I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9.
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On June 24 2010 05:25 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be. Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see. I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9.
yo I did that when I went to sleep. But no one did anything so I just went with da flow yo.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
A detailed analysis of Divinek, member of team 9
Posting History: Bold posts are good posts
Spam,
Me Too,
Observation,
Spam,
Spam,
Question,
Super Softball accusation at L,
Terrible reason outlining voting strat*,
calls out Zyrre,
wants to know why his team was voted for,
Questions
Here is the reason for his vote origionally:
On June 23 2010 12:51 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:42 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
##vote: Team 7 Hey, man. Sup? ^^ yo dawg. I dunno I'm not entirely sure voting down the least active is the best idea in a structure like this over post analysis, but im not sure how much real content there is to be had yet so im like 51% for voting against activity right now so i went with that unless something i see sways me.
Basically, posting such that there is nothing tying him to an opinion. Even his vote comes with a caveat that he doesn't actually think they are scum. So far Divinek has made a lot of posts with virtually zero content.
DCLXVI is next
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LaXerCannon
Current and only vote: Team 7
Total posts: 7
Posts:
1. useless
2. useless
3. against voting useless people off (^ go figure), unless it's detrimental to the town (it always is so...) - note that this is a reply to Ace.
Advice to blues: stay unpredictable (no really), don't make yourself a target, but don't get killed for inactivity (meh, not bad).
Advice to DT: Check the teams of three. etc etc false logic + understanding.
4. (shortly after 3) thinks chez wants more activity before he takes action. uhh. pretty useless.
5. useless
6. "Team 7 is inactive" - his vote is cast immediately after this post.
7. useless. But he went to sleep ~ 6 hours ago, I expect him to be online before the day ends.
You'll notice a common theme in my comments about LaXer's 7 posts.
Conclusion: Kid's a genius. We can't afford to lose a player like him. Lynch bumatlarge but keep LaXerCannon imo. I agree 100% with his suspicions, and will back him in any future endeavors.
This should explain my current vote.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
A VERY detailed analysis of DCLXVI
Again, bold posts are good posts
Talks about last game
Question Chez
Correction
Spam
Hops on both the team 2 and team 7 bandwagon at the same time
Spam
Scum post that tipped me off
His third post, the correction:
On June 23 2010 05:56 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:
For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules) not to say don't check us, but this logic is wrong. I would think it to be easier to read three people rather than just two.
The bandwagoning of both teams 2 and 7:
On June 23 2010 13:37 DCLXVI wrote:
I think I need another day of argument between L/Ace/team8 and such to see what I think of them. As far as I can tell BM/chez are barely helping the town, and team 7 has provided the least content. I'm not sure whether we should lynch the team that spams or the quiet team. I think that if team 7 was mafia then they would at least make some attempt to appear active, but that is not the case. Going to put my vote on team 2 for now.
Waffle, waffle, waffle. Both accusitory posts from DC and Divinek follow the same rule of thumb: Don't be too in favor of a vote for either candidate, don't tie yourself to a lynch.
I'm going to check moocow next, but I don't think he's said much.
Right now my vote is squarely on Team 9. I recommend people review the evidence and consider changing their votes.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
To finish off team 9. MooCow:
Spam
Talks about last game
Decent post, advocates team 2 or 7 for lynch, but again no opinion
Spam
No content at all except for the continued putting forward of Teams 2 and 7, without actually taking a stance.
Team 9 for lynch! Agree or Disagree.
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Analysis of L - serious players, don't look.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 09:13 L wrote:L is the twelfth letter of the basic modern Latin alphabet. Its name in English is pronounced el or occasionally ell. Source L is considered the world's greatest detective, whose identity remains unknown before the game takes place because he has never revealed himself to the public. L takes on Caller in order to to find the titular murderer able to kill people whose names are written in the Death Note (PM). He meets Caller, a teenager named Light Yagami, and becomes determined to convict him.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Quick sidetracking my glorious accusations.
Team 9, I'd like to hear responses.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Rather, I'd like to hear peoples thought on Team 9. Although I want to hear Team 9's thoughts as well
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On June 24 2010 05:53 Radfield wrote:
Rather, I'd like to hear peoples thought on Team 9. Although I want to hear Team 9's thoughts as well
Like I said, Team 9 has been skatin' by with crap posts. At least BM/Chez posted a lot of crap posts, and then some decent posts after that.
Hence my vote on that last night. But it failed to do anything, because they only asked me why I was voting for them, they didn't step it up at all.
On June 24 2010 05:52 Radfield wrote:
Quick sidetracking my glorious accusations.
Team 9, I'd like to hear responses.
You should have had it all together then =p. And my analysis on LaXerCannon was legit/serious, minus the sarcasm.
If people weren't actually voting for Team 3, or if bumatlarge's posts didn't look so confusing/bad, my vote would still be on Team 9.
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On June 22 2010 08:24 Zyrre wrote:And so it begins. So exciting to see the 1 New PM at the top when you're signed up for a mafia game What's the purpose of the mafia roleblocker in Setup 2 that flamewheel posted? It seems like he wont be able to block anything.
So, what are the chances that team 7 is the roleblocker?
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Didn't I already respond to that?
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On June 24 2010 05:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
LaXerCannon
Current and only vote: Team 7
Total posts: 7
Posts:
1. useless
2. useless
3. against voting useless people off (^ go figure), unless it's detrimental to the town (it always is so...) - note that this is a reply to Ace.
Advice to blues: stay unpredictable (no really), don't make yourself a target, but don't get killed for inactivity (meh, not bad).
Advice to DT: Check the teams of three. etc etc false logic + understanding.
4. (shortly after 3) thinks chez wants more activity before he takes action. uhh. pretty useless.
5. useless
6. "Team 7 is inactive" - his vote is cast immediately after this post.
7. useless. But he went to sleep ~ 6 hours ago, I expect him to be online before the day ends.
You'll notice a common theme in my comments about LaXer's 7 posts.
Conclusion: Kid's a genius. We can't afford to lose a player like him. Lynch bumatlarge but keep LaXerCannon imo. I agree 100% with his suspicions, and will back him in any future endeavors.
This should explain my current vote.
Ouch the Sarcasm hurts.
Back from Jazz rehearsal (anyone who's in Toronto should check out the downtown jazz festival on the 28th; it'll be fun!)
Probably my biggest reason for keeping low was because I never had anyone attack me yet and I prefer to stay neutral (as I've said in the previous game, I'm pretty weak at behavioral analysis). I'm hoping to work on it through this game but the amount of crap being thrown from everyone is quite confusing. To add on, it was a mistake for me to think that I could play both mafia games at once and I apologize for it.
I'm not really sure what you want me to say about other people but I guess I'll post my thoughts....
after one question: how do you do multiple quotes in a post aside from manually putting the tags in?
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^ actually, I just saw that I died in the other one...already. ^ ^
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On June 24 2010 05:53 Radfield wrote:
Rather, I'd like to hear peoples thought on Team 9. Although I want to hear Team 9's thoughts as well
Well my posts are probably pretty low content cuz im trying to learn this game as i go, since this is my first time playing. I'm pretty busy in life right now so im trying to post when i can and stay above the threshold of inactivity.
I'm obviously not very good on reading yet and it's pretty early on the game so i dont want to target someone with too much conviction unless i have good reasoning, cause i dont want to confuse people etc.
I think based on zyrre's posts my vote for team 7 is a pretty good one based on what has happened so far, but it's hard to say as i dont have histories on any of you and i dont have time to read through the other threads yet.
I think my team mates are also pretty new to the mafia scene? so they're probably trying to lay low and watch what the good players do, at least that's what im doing and at least for the first day i figured it was solid to go with strong arguments others presented + my own reads. Since i might be pretty shit at throwing strong accusations up i wouldnt want to get my team meaninglessly in trouble.
Is that good or were there other specific questions
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also darth i asked why you voted for us so quickly i want details sir!
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On June 24 2010 04:55 Zyrre wrote:
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
Could you explain this more, from you previous posts, you seemed pretty hooked on BM's team because "they were a little off".
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On June 24 2010 06:33 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 04:55 Zyrre wrote:
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons. Could you explain this more, from you previous posts, you seemed pretty hooked on BM's team because "they were a little off".
remember he denies that there are two sides...
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On June 24 2010 06:30 Divinek wrote:
also darth i asked why you voted for us so quickly i want details sir!
I thought I already answered it.
On June 24 2010 05:12 DarthThienAn wrote:I'm just a pressure cooker. Really, I am. + Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2010 05:27 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 05:25 Radfield wrote:On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be. Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see. I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9. yo I did that when I went to sleep. But no one did anything so I just went with da flow yo.
On June 24 2010 05:58 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 05:53 Radfield wrote:
Rather, I'd like to hear peoples thought on Team 9. Although I want to hear Team 9's thoughts as well Like I said, Team 9 has been skatin' by with crap posts. At least BM/Chez posted a lot of crap posts, and then some decent posts after that. Hence my vote on that last night. But it failed to do anything, because they only asked me why I was voting for them, they didn't step it up at all. Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 05:52 Radfield wrote:
Quick sidetracking my glorious accusations.
Team 9, I'd like to hear responses. You should have had it all together then =p. And my analysis on LaXerCannon was legit/serious, minus the sarcasm. If people weren't actually voting for Team 3, or if bumatlarge's posts didn't look so confusing/bad, my vote would still be on Team 9.
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k i just thought there might be more too it, that's cool
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I don't know if this is just your playing style, or if you are playing a terrible mafia chenizu.
You switched your vote off my team.
You ask me about something that I've responded to already(if you thought I was mafia, shouldn't you at least read through my posts?).
And then you say this:
remember he denies that there are two sides...
Referring to these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez?
And, did I say there were only two sides?
You call that denying there are two sides?
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On June 24 2010 06:47 Zyrre wrote:I don't know if this is just your playing style, or if you are playing a terrible mafia chenizu. You switched your vote off my team. You ask me about something that I've responded to already(if you thought I was mafia, shouldn't you at least read through my posts?). And then you say this: Referring to these posts: + Show Spoiler +BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez?
And, did I say there were only two sides? You call that denying there are two sides?
This is a response that I was looking for. misspelling my name must mean that you didn't give this post much thought, which is good because then it comes out as sincere. Therefore, you are probably innocent or a really good mafia player.
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On June 24 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote:
k i just thought there might be more too it, that's cool
Well, considering that you have yet to post anything but excuses, perhaps there SHOULD be a little more to it.
Example of excuses:
On June 24 2010 06:29 Divinek wrote:
Well my posts are probably pretty low content cuz im trying to learn this game as i go, since this is my first time playing. I'm pretty busy in life right now so im trying to post when i can and stay above the threshold of inactivity.
I'm obviously not very good on reading yet and it's pretty early on the game so i dont want to target someone with too much conviction unless i have good reasoning, cause i dont want to confuse people etc.
I think based on zyrre's posts my vote for team 7 is a pretty good one based on what has happened so far, but it's hard to say as i dont have histories on any of you and i dont have time to read through the other threads yet.
I think my team mates are also pretty new to the mafia scene? so they're probably trying to lay low and watch what the good players do, at least that's what im doing and at least for the first day i figured it was solid to go with strong arguments others presented + my own reads. Since i might be pretty shit at throwing strong accusations up i wouldnt want to get my team meaninglessly in trouble.
Is that good or were there other specific questions
Note that the majority of that was bolded.
Regarding your teammates, I know for a fact that MooCow had no problem speaking his mind in the last game that flamewheel hosted. Can't speak for Incognito's game because I didn't read it.
DCLXVI is another name I recognize from flamewheel's game. Again, I expect more from him. He is not a noob. He shouldn't be scared of posting something bad. After all, he picked out bumatlarge for a DT check that game, and was right. This kind of indicates that he has some sense of analysis.
Basically what I'm saying is that you're inactivity level is inexcusable - and to me, content/substance is a criteria for activity. Radfield's noticed the same thing - before him, no one else supported me, so I let it slide because bumatlarge seems like a viable lynch target (in that people are voting for him).
20 second tutorial on behavioral analysis:
1) Read someone's post(s).
2) Think about it logically-
--Does it make sense, or no?
--Does it seem like something a mafia player would do, or no?
--Does it have any practical use / does it help the town, or no?
3) Post your conclusions/instinctive impressions about the post(s).
4) Pat yourself on the back and repeat.
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Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum.
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On June 24 2010 06:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:47 Zyrre wrote:I don't know if this is just your playing style, or if you are playing a terrible mafia chenizu. You switched your vote off my team. You ask me about something that I've responded to already(if you thought I was mafia, shouldn't you at least read through my posts?). And then you say this: remember he denies that there are two sides... Referring to these posts: + Show Spoiler +BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez?
And, did I say there were only two sides? You call that denying there are two sides? This is a response that I was looking for. misspelling my name must mean that you didn't give this post much thought, which is good because then it comes out as sincere. Therefore, you are probably innocent or a really good mafia player.
Dude I care about spelling equally in all of my posts, whether I am mafia, town, or posting in the KPop thread. Especially spelling of someone's name, no one cares - that's not a legitimate reason for your conclusion Chez -_-.
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Radfield, note that I already called out team 9 on inactivity, but it was 10 hours before close of voting. + Show Spoiler + This makes it difficult to use voting as a method of pressure. I agree that team 9's posts have been trash. + Show Spoiler +
I had considered shifting to team 9 before going to sleep, but at that point team 9 was no worse than team 7. As you can see, the team 9 analysis is before team 7 picked up their activity - I was posing an alternative location for pressure. I had hoped that would kick team 9 into gear. When it got too late in the day, there was no reason to apply pressure to team 9 since their activities aren't precisely red, they're simply inactive.
I'd be on board with putting the squeeze on team 9 at the start of tomorrow if they havn't shaped up. If BM turns up green I still thing bum would be an excellent target.
Speaking of - since my 'crusade' on bumatlarge does not appear to have been well received, can people post why they don't agree with my analysis? Is it because BM looks to be a better target? Is it because you really think bum is more likely to be green? I'd like to hear responses on this because I feel like my posture is falling on deaf ears. I'd like to hear from anyone who cares about what I have to say. :D
At any rate, it's not something happening today. If BM/Chez flip red, that makes bum look much more green and Team 9 deserves more scrutiny.
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Yeah, it could also be equally attributed to everyone calling you chez.
Also, as laxer asked, is there an easy way to get multiple quotes in a post? I'm just finding them and adding them manually.
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To yellowink:
<-- I usually procrastinate to the last minute when voting. I like to make sure I take in as much info as possible and a vote switch is always acceptable in my book.
I was pestering Zyrre just now before I decided to switch to team 3.
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I write my posts in notepad or word to put together multi-quote or spoiler tags. I do this in all forums because many forums 'timeout' if you sit on the page for too long. Also I've lost many posts from changing webpages unintentionally.
So yeah, I add them manually. Just part of my habit.
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@YI: No it doesn't. That logic does not hold up. Bm/Chez flipping red/green don't have any basis on bum/laxer flipping red/green. There is nothing to compare between the 2 teams.
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On June 24 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:
@YI: No it doesn't. That logic does not hold up. Bm/Chez flipping red/green don't have any basis on bum/laxer flipping red/green. There is nothing to compare between the 2 teams.
Thats not what ___ says.. What are there two sides? lol, sorry I had to say it.. Ace was setting me up..
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On June 24 2010 06:58 YellowInk wrote:Radfield, note that I already called out team 9 on inactivity, but it was 10 hours before close of voting. + Show Spoiler + This makes it difficult to use voting as a method of pressure. I agree that team 9's posts have been trash. + Show Spoiler +I had considered shifting to team 9 before going to sleep, but at that point team 9 was no worse than team 7. As you can see, the team 9 analysis is before team 7 picked up their activity - I was posing an alternative location for pressure. I had hoped that would kick team 9 into gear. When it got too late in the day, there was no reason to apply pressure to team 9 since their activities aren't precisely red, they're simply inactive. I'd be on board with putting the squeeze on team 9 at the start of tomorrow if they havn't shaped up. If BM turns up green I still thing bum would be an excellent target. Speaking of - since my 'crusade' on bumatlarge does not appear to have been well received, can people post why they don't agree with my analysis? Is it because BM looks to be a better target? Is it because you really think bum is more likely to be green? I'd like to hear responses on this because I feel like my posture is falling on deaf ears. I'd like to hear from anyone who cares about what I have to say. :D At any rate, it's not something happening today. If BM/Chez flip red, that makes bum look much more green and Team 9 deserves more scrutiny.
Yooo. You should have just voted for them back whenever that was. My vote was already there, some 8 hours before your post, and even before that second-linked post of yours.
On June 24 2010 07:00 Zyrre wrote:
Yeah, it could also be equally attributed to everyone calling you chez.
Also, as laxer asked, is there an easy way to get multiple quotes in a post? I'm just finding them and adding them manually.
Quote in a new tab (Shift+click the 'Quote' link), and cut (ctral+A, ctrl+X, ctrl+V) it in manually. Takes like 3 seconds, for real -_-.
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On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote:
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum.
Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences.
I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history?
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On June 24 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote:
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history?
I can't say the scumdar applies because it's not set to the the 'actively scan' setting.
If we're only looking at what we have, then yes, they are more scummy than innocent.
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@DTA I know your vote was there on team 9 at the 10 hr mark, but I didn't think it'd be enough time to force activity out of them. Team 3 reading red was more useful than what would have merely been a pressure vote on Team 9. I didn't shift from team 7 to team 9 at the ~18 hour mark (when I made the analysis post) because they were both inactive teams. Neither was better than the other, I was merely presenting a commentary on how there were two teams that needed to clean up their acts.
I'm going to try to refrain from repeating myself now, perhaps linking to prior posts with answers to questions/statements made in my direction.
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On June 24 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote:
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history?
I actually get clueless newbie vibes from Team 9. In fact they are like a clone of Team 7 just less aggressive when confronted so far. I think they really are just not going to post a lot until at he point of damn near inevitable lynch.
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On June 24 2010 07:12 YellowInk wrote:
@DTA I know your vote was there on team 9 at the 10 hr mark, but I didn't think it'd be enough time to force activity out of them. Team 3 reading red was more useful than what would have merely been a pressure vote on Team 9. I didn't shift from team 7 to team 9 at the ~18 hour mark (when I made the analysis post) because they were both inactive teams. Neither was better than the other, I was merely presenting a commentary on how there were two teams that needed to clean up their acts.
I'm going to try to refrain from repeating myself now, perhaps linking to prior posts with answers to questions/statements made in my direction.
I think we have a very different idea of how long it takes to rally votes on a player. Honestly, we still have ~4hours till lynch, which in my mind is almost enough time to do a major vote switch if there is a convincing argument. 10 hours is certainly enough time.
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oops, meant to post this here, sorry flame!
Votes for Team 2 (13)
Ace
meeple
BrownBear
johnnyspazz
DCLXVI
Nikon
Votes for Team 3 (13)
YellowInk
DarthThienAn
Zyrre
Durak
Chezinu
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Bill Murray
LaXerCannon
bumatlarge
Divinek
stormtemplar
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L
Votes for Team 9 (6)
Radfield
Korynne
Ok, I think this is the vote count so far. I might have made a mistake with the numbers, I'm not sure.
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Wow is that close, certainly means that there's plenty of time for vote switching. We could easily still lynch Team 9 if people wanted to ; )
Seems like Me and K might have the power here if we decide to switch.
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On June 24 2010 06:58 YellowInk wrote:Radfield, note that I already called out team 9 on inactivity, but it was 10 hours before close of voting. + Show Spoiler + This makes it difficult to use voting as a method of pressure. I agree that team 9's posts have been trash. + Show Spoiler +I had considered shifting to team 9 before going to sleep, but at that point team 9 was no worse than team 7. As you can see, the team 9 analysis is before team 7 picked up their activity - I was posing an alternative location for pressure. I had hoped that would kick team 9 into gear. When it got too late in the day, there was no reason to apply pressure to team 9 since their activities aren't precisely red, they're simply inactive. I'd be on board with putting the squeeze on team 9 at the start of tomorrow if they havn't shaped up. If BM turns up green I still thing bum would be an excellent target. Speaking of - since my 'crusade' on bumatlarge does not appear to have been well received, can people post why they don't agree with my analysis? Is it because BM looks to be a better target? Is it because you really think bum is more likely to be green? I'd like to hear responses on this because I feel like my posture is falling on deaf ears. I'd like to hear from anyone who cares about what I have to say. :D At any rate, it's not something happening today. If BM/Chez flip red, that makes bum look much more green and Team 9 deserves more scrutiny.
hm well since you asked i went through his posting history and i must say about 80% of it is complete crap and spam, what little content i thought would be of importance that i got were these bits
Sorry yellow but your looking pretty viable for a first lynch as of now...
These half hearted posts always seem like scum to me, it may be an inaccurate read but it's just kind of one of those 'i dont want to commit' things in order to fuel other people into going 'hey he's right lets get him!'
And after saying that he didnt really analyze any further just left that word and was like k good for me, which doesnt make much sense at all if you really think someone should be lynced
This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over
not much on this one cause you could metagame yourself on it but obviously a good towny would be analyzing people and not advocating hiding, and i think the purpose for this post was if he continued posting crap like he has or not at all he can be like well i already said i was going to hide or something
Stick it to the man! Not voting for this bad-ass thats for sure
Another thing that didnt really contribute at all, but maybe looks like a red subtly protecting another red? Cause it seemed like he for sure was taking some heat at the time of this post, but even this would look wayyy too bad if he flipped red so he'd have to be a pretty terrible red to say this if it was the case
If I may say so, it was very incriminating
Again, no real analysis just, oh i think you're bad but im not gonna vote kind of thing. Fanning flames but not backing it up with any vote/analysis. Very weak and trying to stay under the radar
If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia
the old reverse mind game, why vote for me when im gonna kill myself anyways kind of thing. At that stage it could obviously be too late
Also based on the posts he seems VERY sure there's a DT on this game so im starting to think he's almost certainly not green, but his posts have still been so empty i cant rest on red/blue
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also moocow said he cant play anymore so that's why he hasnt posted like at all
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On June 24 2010 07:20 Chezinu wrote:
oops, meant to post this here, sorry flame!
Votes for Team 2 (13)
Ace
meeple
BrownBear
johnnyspazz
DCLXVI
Nikon
Votes for Team 3 (13)
YellowInk
DarthThienAn
Zyrre
Durak
Chezinu
Votes for Team 7 (13)
Bill Murray
LaXerCannon
bumatlarge
Divinek
stormtemplar
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L
Votes for Team 9 (6)
Radfield
Korynne
Ok, I think this is the vote count so far. I might have made a mistake with the numbers, I'm not sure.
I voted for team 8, but I guess I'm forced to put it on 2 to stay alive.
Pretty bummed out that you guys are jumping on laxer and I, but I guess it can't be helped if you really do get red vibes from us. I told Laxer it might be better for him to lie low for a bit, rather then what he was doing last game, and I tried to be a bit more active through my phone, but that just developed misconstrued fragments of what I was thinking while at work. After seeing Chez and BM make so many pointless posts, I got comfortable and started making useless comments. I meant the hidey-hole thing as a joke to yellow, but of course he took it in the worst and most serious way possible.
Can you be more decisive with your end vote please? Id rather like to divine information ive been keeping if we do get lynched. Honestly it seems like I got off on the wrong foot trying to start off the day by commenting on YI's first post and giving thoughts on what Blue's and such should do in time to come. I'm fairly certain I didn't say anything definite. It's kind of unlike me to get so mellow but Im not really worried, as long as the town takes the right roads after.
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Now you can switch your vote off me and onto team 9 and I will follow.
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i will put it wherever too
lets not put it on me
i am town
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So no one else has a problem with blatant vote manipulation plans?
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well considering we are town i would assume the town should back us up
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i am amazed you have your vote where it is from the RANDOM VOTING STAGE ace, you kidding?
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It's empty statements like that that make me keep my vote on you.
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no it's the fact that you don't want to help the town
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BM stop using terms you do not understand. Seriously, just stop.
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players like you are the reason France was terrible in the world cup this year. Tons of talent, individualism ruined them. You have to work as a team to stop the mafia sometimes, bro.
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Perhaps if you'd take your vote off of a town player i'd back off you
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On June 24 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote:
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history?
so making mostly useless spammy crap posts sets off your redar? Of course I'd like to defend myself so your vote doesnt get wasted on a green but what else can i admit except that i was posting like a retard cause the first thing i saw on the wiki was dont be inactive lol but dont post too much as townee unless you have good evidence so you dont confuse people
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@YellowInk: I looked through Bumatlarge's posting history:
Comment
Talks about previous game
Responds to Yellowink, States the obvious about not being inclined towards anyone
Decent Post
Decent Post
Random YellowInk FoS
Few more posts then goes into full spam mode. After that he stops spamming and starts making decent posts again. I don't really get a huge scum vibe from him. I think that perhaps you are seeing him as more scummy then he is because of his random FoS at you.
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he is viewing him as scummy because he tried to wagon him in a non serious part of the game imo
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we would have been a lot better off lynching L and Caller... theyre probably lurker scum
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Why is everyone pitting me and BM against the Bum-Cannon?
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Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us.
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we should just all mass vote a team
i dont even care which one it is, since im not privy to information they aren't mafia except team 2
i know team 2 are town
whether or not we have medic powers is irrelevant
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On June 24 2010 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us.
at least im trying to be creative and scumhunt instead of being a policy nazi and stifling discussion
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I haven't even pushed a single policy lynch this game. Why are you making stuff up? Find an instance of me calling for a policy lynch. I dare you.
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i'm not saying that you are calling for a policy lynch,
just that your demanding people play a certain way.
i'm surprised you've kept your focus on me, am i really that hard to read?
i've told you what side i'm on, brosef addai
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On June 24 2010 07:56 Chezinu wrote:
Why is everyone pitting me and BM against the Bum-Cannon?
*Insert joke comment that will get me lynched*
Apparently people are very uptight about how they want their mafia threads to be. We didn't really have any of this in the previous game, so I guess a majority of the people are expecting a certain mindset. No worries, I will always love you, cheezenoodle, and your instigative celebrity friend.
Im not really good with vibes, because half the time, mafia will be clever, and townies will be stupid. (I think we can fit under stupid if it doesnt offend) Theres no clues to eventually flush out reds, so the town has to take it chances on silly posters so early. Shame on you for making me follow your lead, it looked like so much fun
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On June 24 2010 07:53 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote:
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history? so making mostly useless spammy crap posts sets off your redar? Of course I'd like to defend myself so your vote doesnt get wasted on a green but what else can i admit except that i was posting like a retard cause the first thing i saw on the wiki was dont be inactive lol but dont post too much as townee unless you have good evidence so you dont confuse people
Well, time to make up for it Start analyzing players and going through their post history. Is there a player who seems like he's trying to stay under the radar? Someone who does a lot of agreeing, commenting and summarizing, but little putting forward plans of their own or giving their own opinions and reasons on things. Find these people and call them out. However, don't just throw around the FoS. Use it wisely or it loses most of it's effect. Put pressure on people to post and communicate their opinions, and try to get everyone down on paper. Figure out who makes sense and draw attention to their ideas so they don't get lost. Make a spreadsheet with all the players listed on it and keep your thoughts of each player on it(this is the best piece of mafia advice I ever received). Update it with the roles when people die so you can learn from where your notes were wrong and where they were right. These are a few ways to be a good townie on Day 1 Most importantly: put in effort.
L and Caller are making a last minute run for most inactive team.
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I haven't demanded anyone to play a certain way. Once again you are lying about my play this game. My vote on you stays.
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On June 24 2010 08:05 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 07:56 Chezinu wrote:
Why is everyone pitting me and BM against the Bum-Cannon? *Insert joke comment that will get me lynched* Apparently people are very uptight about how they want their mafia threads to be. We didn't really have any of this in the previous game, so I guess a majority of the people are expecting a certain mindset. No worries, I will always love you, cheezenoodle, and your instigative celebrity friend. Im not really good with vibes, because half the time, mafia will be clever, and townies will be stupid. (I think we can fit under stupid if it doesnt offend) Theres no clues to eventually flush out reds, so the town has to take it chances on silly posters so early. Shame on you for making me follow your lead, it looked like so much fun
yo, bro, if you really are town why didn't you try to shift the vote off of us if you think we're town?
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I would be ok voting team 6 instead
I am not sure if team 3 would work with us on this
Team 9 to me = village idiots as I addressed in this post: "Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. "
In case the worst befalls me: Detectives, check Ace/DarthThienAn, or L/Caller assuming we have any of you all. Medics protect the people who have been acting blue.
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Ive accepted my fate for the sake of the town. We will inspire fellow townies with our martyrdom to make ingenious decision making!
Or we could you know lynch a more inactive team, I guess, and I suppose if both laxer and I take our votes off you it wouldnt matter. I mean regardless, I'd rather live, as I have been active, an I having been making substance posts, as have you. A good majority are sitting back and watching. Which is kind of unfair if the only information we have is from other people. If everyone was as active as us, I'd have no qualms about it.
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Ehhh not crazy about team 6, I'd rather not get on L's bad side just yet.
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I love that word: qualms. It does irk me that some teams are being let off with inactivity, but it IS day1
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I love L, and if he wasn't with Caller I wouldn't be suspicious of their team. I am always suspicious of Caller when he is playing inactively like he did in a specific game
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day 1 he hasn't posted anything.... then he gets a random nuke fired at him
talk about an early morning wake up call
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So does chez always do this wishy washy voting style, i think he's changed his vote at least 7 times?
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On June 24 2010 08:16 bumatlarge wrote:
I mean regardless, I'd rather live, as I have been active, an I having been making substance posts, as have you.
If everyone was as active as us, I'd have no qualms about it.
Point me, please. o_o. And use English! ^_^.
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On June 24 2010 08:25 Divinek wrote:
So does chez always do this wishy washy voting style, i think he's changed his vote at least 7 times?
just for that :D
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To the substance posts or the inactive townies?
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Radfield
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On June 24 2010 08:12 Bill Murray wrote:I would be ok voting team 6 instead I am not sure if team 3 would work with us on this Team 9 to me = village idiots as I addressed in this post: Show nested quote +"Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. " In case the worst befalls me: Detectives, check Ace/DarthThienAn, or L/Caller assuming we have any of you all. Medics protect the people who have been acting blue.
Every team except for me and K, and Bum/Laxer are voting separate ways, so this is hardly an indication of anything. This really only indicates which teams are talking and which aren't.
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chez and i have mainly been voting together... he just gets bored sitting in one place i guess
anyways, darth, i am completely for taking your vote off, but i am not for it as it is risking my head
@bum/LaxerCannon - are you all ok with voting team 9? I will vote right behind you guys
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ahhh, I was a bit worried, but we have like 2 and a half hours. That should be plenty of time
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Team 9 sounds fine, even if team 8 is a bit more inactive it seems, but I doubt mafia would be that inactive if a vast majority are disapproving of inactives.
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@bum, substance.
@Radfield: it's the final vote that counts =D
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Well atleast if you get rid of a townie you'll be getting rid of a fairly useless one, but time to go with my wishy washy heart since my previous feelings have been changed
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this much vote switching = an innocent is getting killed. No way actual townies have any reason to switch around votes if their minds are already made up.
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On June 24 2010 08:36 Ace wrote:
this much vote switching = an innocent is getting killed. No way actual townies have any reason to switch around votes if their minds are already made up.
i am a townie without my mind being made up
thats why i wanted you to lead us, ace
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wow, divinek, really?
explain please
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On June 24 2010 08:33 bumatlarge wrote:
Team 9 sounds fine, even if team 8 is a bit more inactive it seems, but I doubt mafia would be that inactive if a vast majority are disapproving of inactives.
reasoning please bandwagons hurt, they're very heavy
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On June 24 2010 08:36 Ace wrote:
this much vote switching = an innocent is getting killed. No way actual townies have any reason to switch around votes if their minds are already made up.
My voting is all strategical.
kekeke.
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you just bandwaggoned me for no reason you're a hypocrite
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oh well since zyrre seems to have leveled out in my eyes, the only people i really read as red are team 2.
All your vote switching looks more like you dont have a reason for voting and instead you're going to try to hit something that's pro town
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like you didnt go 'oh i vote team9' it's hey bum r u gonna vote team 9 cause then if you do then i will but i dont wanna commit, and all the wishy washy ness of it i tell you!
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that makes no logical sense other than you having a bad read which means youre a hindrance to us
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feeling someones red because of wishy washing voting is a bad read? really?
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On June 24 2010 08:40 Divinek wrote:
like you didnt go 'oh i vote team9' it's hey bum r u gonna vote team 9 cause then if you do then i will but i dont wanna commit, and all the wishy washy ness of it i tell you!
I wanted to lynch team 6, and I want to limit people who I am fairly sure are going to help from dying.
In large part bum has helped in my eyes. His post aren't amazing, but I like his play. I do not know if he is red, and I'm pretty sure he isn't, so I am trying to keep him alive while keeping myself alive.
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On June 24 2010 08:41 Divinek wrote:
feeling someones red because of wishy washing voting is a bad read? really?
you made a bad read and tried to justify it with fabricated wishy washy voting unless youre talking about chezinu in which case i understand... he doesn't tell me anything, either.
your voting late like this seems as if you're either:
1) saving a scum team because you're scum and you need them
2) an uninformed townie making a terrible vote on someone who is obv town
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I am leaning towards option 1. I also know I'm not scum, so I'm going to save my own ass and help.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
To be honest, my mind pronounces it as "boom-at-large" because I am a nubcake.
Also this is a bookmark post so I don't have to read through 10 posts put out in 5 minutes time.
Bill: ffs, consolidate.
Also vote count updated, not including Divinek's and Bill Murray's latest changes.
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Actually, tbh, I believe you're probably just a newer player and don't understand who is scum
I'm still going to vote you, as I want to live
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sorry, i get spammy whenever i'm town and my neck is on the line
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you and chez have both changed your votes a whopping 6 times in one day. How does that not look like you're just trying to land with the thing that looks the most town.
are you referring in trying to save 'scumteam' 7? cause they have like no votes currently so they dont need much saving
my voting late is because this is the best thing i have to go on, ive been getting advice as the game goes on and trying to build on that, it's not like it's unreasonable to hold off on your vote until you're more sure about something
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On June 24 2010 08:47 Divinek wrote:
you and chez have both changed your votes a whopping 6 times in one day. How does that not look like you're just trying to land with the thing that looks the most town.
are you referring in trying to save 'scumteam' 7? cause they have like no votes currently so they dont need much saving
my voting late is because this is the best thing i have to go on, ive been getting advice as the game goes on and trying to build on that, it's not like it's unreasonable to hold off on your vote until you're more sure about something
No it's just that team 3 was at 13 and we were at 12 before you switched
seems AWFULLY FISHY
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I thought you said you didnt think team 3 were red so why would you think i was trying to save a team that you're going to side with and 'follow their vote' if you think they were read and your team could easily vote and sway it and have them lynched
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On June 24 2010 07:53 Radfield wrote:
@YellowInk: I looked through Bumatlarge's posting history:
Comment
Talks about previous game
Responds to Yellowink, States the obvious about not being inclined towards anyone
Decent Post
Decent Post
Random YellowInk FoS
Few more posts then goes into full spam mode. After that he stops spamming and starts making decent posts again. I don't really get a huge scum vibe from him. I think that perhaps you are seeing him as more scummy then he is because of his random FoS at you.
Here's what I think of bumatlarge's posts. + Show Spoiler +34 Oneliner useless 37 Oneliner useless 43 Decent post, commentary about preference of targets but declining to start pointing fingers. 61 Previously analyzed post that reads red 73 Generic town-aligned advice 74 double post 77 Oneliner useless 79 Random FoS on me (in support of BM/Chez) 99 Vote placed on me, claims town flip makes me clearer scum 101 Twoliner useless 108 Fights when I call out his awful plan of post 61. Asks for clarification. 123 Wants me to go into hidey-hole with him (reads red to me) 172 Shifts vote away from me (after no one beyond BM supports attack on me) to inactive team 196 Buddies with Durak, my partner 205 Useless (drunk?) post 207 Oneliner useless 228 Oneliner, maybe not useless, but not very content filled either 262 Oneliner useless 279 Oneliner useless 321 Decent post, requesting information 330 Oneliner, calling Team 8 active 368 Substance post, some ok, most trash (day 4 self bandwagon???) calling for self DT clearing (to avoid being lynch target), etc 371 Trash post, potentially claiming I said things I did not. On the upside at least we agree a DT should finger a red if they find one. 372 Backpedal post. Realizes his errors and apologizes for post 61 377 Defends reasoning for vote citing team 7 inactivity and now team 8 380 Responding to Durak's questions, little of use but decent post 435 Backpedal post. Apologizes for post 123 claiming it was a joke. Claims got 'comfortable' and is reason for making useless posts.
It's fair to say that FoS being targeted at me could color my view, but this post lineup still reads more red to me than the rest. I'm not happy with BM, but bum reads more red to me. I don't like inactivity, so I'm not a fan of team 9 at the moment - though that seems a problem better solved tomorrow.
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Though I don't think they're red, I don't KNOW they're not red. They might be red.
well you don't have a lot of time to be more sure of something
there's only a couple of hours and your vote is in the wrong place IF you're town
if you're mafia, keep it exactly where it is, I will die to have a good case on you.
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On June 24 2010 08:53 Bill Murray wrote:
there's only a couple of hours and your vote is in the wrong place IF you're town
if you're mafia, keep it exactly where it is, I will die to have a good case on you.
it's awesome cause i can use exactly that logic, it's like we've said nothing at all!
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Redfield, are you voting for team 9 due to inactivity or because you actively read red in them? We may not agree on time frames, but pressure on team 9 was applied so late that if the team is not checking here frequently (besides Div) that they just may not respond.
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On June 24 2010 08:43 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 08:41 Divinek wrote:
feeling someones red because of wishy washing voting is a bad read? really? you made a bad read and tried to justify it with fabricated wishy washy voting unless youre talking about chezinu in which case i understand... he doesn't tell me anything, either.
id still like you to address this, you've switched votes just as many times as him
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that's what they all say
well based on anything brought up so far im very happy with my vote
if it turns out to be wrong it was still supported with the best evidence thus far so what else can you hope for on the first day
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Here Darth, I think any decent posts I made are here, along with what I felt happened with the stint between yellow and I.
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 14:44 bumatlarge wrote:Something tells me we won't have alot of inactivity this game, and I don't think letting 3 player teams have a safeguard against lynching because they have a much less likely chance of being inactive, but rather that people on tri-teams will get lazy in their posting. Dual-teams are more likely to give better results as they have more weight. But I see what you are saying, I'd just like to not discriminate in that regard. I think it's fairly silly to also not lynch ace for the sole reason of getting the DT role alot. Roles are random, so he has as much chance as anybody. But I'd rather not lynch competent people either. Mafia will do that for us > Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by. I'm not going to be lynching my own teammate thank you very much. Response to Yellow's first post + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. The confusing post that I confused myself because I wasn't fully aware of the setups and how they worked. Also the post Yellow uses to incriminate me for spreading lies. It was a mistake and a bad post, honest it was + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 02:22 bumatlarge wrote:Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role. Make yourself expendable Some townie philosophy, messy, but I still hold to it, if im proving that now. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 04:28 bumatlarge wrote:
I dare you cheezenoddle. Your Yoda mind games wont work on me *stink eye*
by night three, mafia has a little less then 50% chance of hitting a a blue if there is one , and considerably higher chance if there are two. In other games I would advise a lategame strategy, but this game should be shorter then usual. The only reason I appear scummy is that I responded to your assumptions of who should be lynched based on the amount of people in each team and whether or not to lynch certain people based on what roles they have gotten previously. Lynching by posting history is a far superior plan then this.
DT cant rolecheck a townie and then PM them, right? So the only use os knowing a regular townie for the public is that it's one less person we'd mistaken lynch. And the only way that would be revealed is if a DT would sacrifice himself... because if we have a medic and a DT then they have a RBer and thats a dead DT, (therefore a DT should only reveal with a mafia in his hand). Then the townie would be an easy target later but there is still the medic.
I just put my vote for yellow as a placeholder until a better candidate comes up, which will be most likely some inactive he hops on a BWagon late with no excuse I guess.
Please keep you vote on me yellow if you are mafia, because that makes it easier for the town if I get lynched. If you back off, I'll gladly take my heat off you and let the majority decide. I'm ready to die cheezenoodle. Similar to Rad's but we made it at the same time, and I feel stupid for not apologizing to YI for not clearly saying i was correcting my earlier statement. I initially thought this was the post YI meant that was giving a scummy read, which led to others like BM and Ace to question YI, which then led back to me. Another misunderstanding, I believe. -_- + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 05:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Your basis for voting me off is for disargeeing with you about taking completely chance based guesses and suggesting an "awful" DT plan? Please clarify why it is awful, as I think a DT for one mafia in this game is preferable.
And it hasn't even been close to 24 hours yet, with 48 hours til verdict, correct? People have jobs and lives, and if I did not have this phone I wouldn't have been able to make more then 2 posts since the game started.
I do agree with korynne that all this blame is a bit quick, and from yellows history, he makes very randomly good and then innocuous posts. I'd much rather find some glaringly obvious lurker, but we'll have to wait. Then after this I get a bit silly seeing people start gunning for each other all of a sudden. I wasn't seriously suggesting to Yellow that we pretend we never had our early conversations, I was remarking that people were emerging from work and such to post. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 11:36 bumatlarge wrote:The emotions coming out now is fantastic, I love the drama. And whos to say durok here isnt some mastermind himself? Until I've gotten to know someone through my own experience with them, you really can't make too many judgments about them. Give him a shot to earn his spurs, then ask who the fuck he is. I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. Too bad Laxer is asleep or busy, I dont think he'll be as fun to watch as the previous game, where he was in full bloom of his potential joshin ya laxer. Anyone want some alcohol induced analysis? Spell-check is cool. That is all. I dont remember this post too well rofl... ok thats pretty bad. + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 01:01 bumatlarge wrote:
There seems to be little flak going around in general, Im looking at my previously poor constructed posts and people notice but they didnt really pressure me for clarification on where I was going with it. I saw L make a comment about Darh and Ace already having enough content to judge them by.
Its not necssarily the same as inactivity, or even quantiy of posts. For instance Radfield has barely posted, but you can get substance from his posts and get a clear position on his stance. Most of what I have posted is roughly the same as him, but garbled up and repeated (I blame the habit that when im using this small-ass keyboard I post like Im texting -_- and you dont think twice about it)
So if you haven't, make a clear vivd 5-7 line paragraph on what you think is important, if you have not posted substance yet. Check it as if you were handing in an assignment, so we can see your opinion clearly at least. I guess people yellow and darth have pointed out should go ahead and try it. Plus it's nice to see a fresh personality's take on things. Still unaware + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 02:18 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 01:38 YellowInk wrote:
BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there.
I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you.
Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX!
So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum.
Feels good man. I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town. I'm not sure how deep chez played the game he was mafia, but if he kept making silly comments and didn't try a legitmate apology that game, I doubt he's maniacal enough to do it this game. sellfishly hope a DT checks me to prove yo wrong, but it would be waste of a rolecheck just negating your suspicions. But then I know the next thing you'll say is "Thats just you trying to throw the DT off and saving yourself you scuma diver" So you know what? DT check me tonight to cater to this. Honestly do it so the mafia might get inclined to hit me thinking im something and if im checked, would make me a very legitimate target. That could also draw a medic too. It wold be funny because it might draw the hit away from more analytical players then lax and I. You did this last game yellow, and we didn't bother to stop you because you were making little sense, but later on you became a threat i gess, Maybe you started off this game like BM and chez are just using a guise that you saw through immediately. Well then you are the better and I humy subject myself to yoursuperior eye for mafia. Or maybe your just hallucinating again. Maybe BM and I were jus t attempting simple noob minded analysis. You honestly thinnk either of us are expecting to live til the end, which I hear is good thing for mafia . If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia. Surely we will have caght one other red team by then. If I disagree any point after this, you can assume I have clearly stated that I am scum. I was so certain I would win this discussion because I was thinking why would Yellow have the nerve to bring this up again after others agreed trading a DT for one mafia would be worth it. And I knew Yellow would be a bit neurotic again, so I suggested I'd lynch myself on day 4 if the game was going on, just to prove a point. It looks extremely odd now realizing what he was referring too. And then reading this. + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself! It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either. In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine. As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him. That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't. I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification? On June 24 2010 03:12 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 01:47 YellowInk wrote:In short, the way that BM and bum attacked me with BM being aggressive and bum staying more to the shadows is what raised my suspicion. Bum's awful post made me read red on him earlier. + Show Spoiler + His continued posting style did not lend him any credit. Oh im at fault, I assumed you meant the post below that. That was a mistake on my part as I didn't do the proper math involving the setups available ntil I read that post. It was posted based on insufficient thought and lack of information on my part. I suppose I never said I corrected it the post down the page. If you think that was purposeful and I intended to never correct it, then I could see why you are thinking that way. Oops. I initially clicked that link and went to the first post I wrote, not the YI's post quoting the culprit post.
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On June 24 2010 08:57 YellowInk wrote:
Redfield, are you voting for team 9 due to inactivity or because you actively read red in them? We may not agree on time frames, but pressure on team 9 was applied so late that if the team is not checking here frequently (besides Div) that they just may not respond.
I voted Team 9 based on a red read, and that they were contributing nothing with their posts. However, I've remembered that I don't think it's a good idea to lynch brand new players on day one. I'm talking meta-game here and the interest of having lots of active and enthusiastic players in the mafia forums. But in a 9 player game, I suppose that has to go out the window. I'm fine letting them hang around another day though.
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If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?
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i would like more peoples input on this as it just seemed like me and bm cat fighting
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I think you need your teammates to help you. Moocow left? So DCL should try to come out and say things.
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On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?
quit stealing my argument
we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours?
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On June 24 2010 09:18 Divinek wrote:
i would like more peoples input on this as it just seemed like me and bm cat fighting
= town on town, i agree, but it's not what u know it's what u can convince them u know
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my post is still coming up; I admit I took a small biking break :X It should be up within the hour
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On June 24 2010 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone? quit stealing my argument we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours?
Nope. So who do you suggest and why, cause honestly your team is my best lead at the moment lol
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I've got a feeling team 9 will just pop up green, especially if moocow just up and left like that. I'd rather do this to team 8, but beggars can't be choosers I guess.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
By the way, Moocow should PM flamewheel if he has to leave the game.
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he told me he already did
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On June 24 2010 09:40 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone? quit stealing my argument we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours? Nope. So who do you suggest and why, cause honestly your team is my best lead at the moment lol
your "best lead" is off-based.
I would suggest someone who is heavily lurking when they lurk as scum like Caller.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 24 2010 09:58 Radfield wrote:
By the way, Moocow should PM flamewheel if he has to leave the game.
He has, I just have to modkill him, though I'll place him on the banlist with a warning, not a ban.
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@radfield
I am not sure why my last post "screams mafia" since you didn't bother to elaborate, but sure...
Yes we have been inactive and that is our fault, I just wanted to see where day 1 went and see who would be lynched. Apparently that only works for experienced players. We posted slightly less content than team 1 who is quiet all day, then they accuse us so that they look active.
One question to all of you: What will you gain by lynching a quiet noob team? We have not made many opinions or sided with anyone. Yes that can sound scummy, but we would have to be obscenely stupid to do that if we were mafia. I would expect mafia teams to accuse other teams and throw around suspicion especially if they are in the spotlight. If you lynch us then you get absolutely no information when we flip green. Maybe you can go after team 1, but I think they'll just hide behind the 'lynch the inactive' excuse. I thought the point of the day 1 lynch was to find the role of a team that had supporters and suspicions on people, but apparently I am wrong.
Now we must become one of those wishy washy teams that have been moving their vote to keep themselves out of danger (2,7)
-flamewheel
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game?
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On June 24 2010 10:04 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 09:40 Divinek wrote:On June 24 2010 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone? quit stealing my argument we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours? Nope. So who do you suggest and why, cause honestly your team is my best lead at the moment lol your "best lead" is off-based. I would suggest someone who is heavily lurking when they lurk as scum like Caller.
why not vote for him yourself then, cause if my team is your best lead it's also off based
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I'm still a little confused with how the voting works, honestly. Is it each member of the team has 1 vote, each team has a vote that can be split 2 or 3 ways, or is it some other weird method entirely?
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-flamewheel
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game?
this could be potentially unfair if changed
I am not a "wishy-washy" team, I am just a person who isn't sure who mafia are
I am sure of who mafia aren't in the case of myself and Chezinu. You must believe me on this.
I promise not to spam as much if you all would just trust me and not lynch me. I am only posting this way to show you all that I am doing my best effort to try and help you all win if you're town.
Teamliquid has HORRIBLE town-play. I am among the worst. I am trying my best. Give me another chance tomorrow, you all need Chez and I , we will be of help...
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On June 24 2010 10:06 DCLXVI wrote:
-flamewheel
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game?
I'll grant it this time, since MooCow had the courtesy of forewarning me. After this day yours and Divinek's votes will count for 1/2, not 1/3. For this voting cycle though, let's leave it as such.
On June 24 2010 10:09 BrownBear wrote:
I'm still a little confused with how the voting works, honestly. Is it each member of the team has 1 vote, each team has a vote that can be split 2 or 3 ways, or is it some other weird method entirely?
Each team has an aggregate total of 1 voting power, as per normal Mafia standards. Each individual on the team has 1/n voting power of the total, to be cast independently of his or her teammates' vote. To make things simple and since fractions suck, I just weighted each vote based on sixths.
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On June 24 2010 10:09 BrownBear wrote:
I'm still a little confused with how the voting works, honestly. Is it each member of the team has 1 vote, each team has a vote that can be split 2 or 3 ways, or is it some other weird method entirely?
teams with 3 = 2 per person
teams with 2 = 3 per person
it's a fairly simple concept
i'm surprised you failed to grasp it
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On June 24 2010 10:09 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 10:06 DCLXVI wrote:
-flamewheel
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game? I'll grant it this time, since MooCow had the courtesy of forewarning me. After this day yours and Divinek's votes will count for 1/2, not 1/3. For this voting cycle though, let's leave it as such.
thank you for making the fair ruling, flamewheel.
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I have company right now! I do not want to die, guys. Would you all vote for Team 1/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 WHATEVER. I am not mafia, let's stack votes where someone MIGHT be mafia.
I know you all can say "EVERYONE SAYS THAT" but look how hard I am trying to help
I have definitely been the most-active and town player from my perspective. Sorry if you disagree.
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@bumatlarge: thanks for being a good sport ^^. My thoughts below. You’ll have to look at my post and yours side-by-side, since I didn’t bother to quote most of it.
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Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by.
1. Your first quoted post is decent. The first paragraph is a fair argument against what whoever suggested – I don’t think we should play any differently against 3 player teams from 2 player teams, especially because the 3 player teams are all a man down I think? The bit I quoted above is an unnecessary statement, one of those “I’m here” posts that doesn’t say anything. It was early though, so I’ll give you a pass on that one. Also – plenty happens on the first day =D. 2. Your next post is really… meh. The first paragraph is pretty useless to me. The second paragraph: I for one disagree with Yellow, and favor your idea of a DT claiming Day 2 if they have red, else, day 3 with two green or a red/green. Good call for DTs to check actual reddish people. Here’s why this post might be red to Yellow/others: well the first part is pretty useless, like I said. Bad town/mafia often have posts like that. The second paragraph, even if I agree with it, is pretty general/generic. Anyone can made commentary on a setup, and even they do it accurately, it’s not that bad for them (as mafia). What Yellow was screaming about was that you assumed there were all three power roles – DT, medic, RB, which suggests that you knew more than the rest of us. It’s suspicious, and it’s not something that you can apologize for. That kind of stuff goes on your permanent record, at least to me. 3. This next post is again, really general, and you’re talking about last game. It’s okay, but doesn’t contribute to your “townieness.” And posts like that, if they show up too often, end up being an indication of your scumminess. I also think that blues should try to stay alive. Better to be inactive than the mafia’s prime target simply because of posting. There are ~3 inactive teams right now and 2 half-inactive teams. That’s 1/2 of the teams – it’s a bigger crowd than the main posters. 4. Uhh. Next post like the 2nd post I think. A “correction,” but the same commentary applies. 5. This post is mostly useless tbh… I mean, Yellow would probably feel otherwise since it’s addressed to him, but all you’re really doing is defending against his accusations by saying that he’s accusing you solely because he disagrees with you, which is not the case, I don’t think. 6. This post is useless. You’re right, it’s pretty bad. 7. I considered pressuring you earlier, like I said before, but decided to go directly to Bill Murray and clear that up first. L’s comment wasn’t so much that there’s a lot to judge me and Ace by (although I have had multiple extremely long posts), but more that his fishing expedition was over. Your second paragraph here says..nothing except that you’re admitting that you’re posting sucks? What? Your third paragraph, you could listen to yourself. Post analysis >>> talk about game setup. Game plans are typically something that I don’t want to hear about for more than a few hours’ worth of posts in a 48 hour day. But yea, overall this post, not that great. 8. Hm. I’ve shared my thoughts on your day 4 lynch me scam, but I’ll repeat myself here: it’s scummy. There’s no weight in it, except what people decide to take from it. Actions-wise, no one’s going to be there to hold you accountable, assuming you’re still alive. So it’s a quick and easy ploy for you to get some fake credibility, to me. Furthermore, your calls for “blues check me” is another thing that has no weight in it. By calling for something like that and assuming that you get the town to follow it, you take away all unpredictability that our blues (assuming we have any) have. Easy hit for the mafia tonight, no worries about medics that way. A great scheme for a scum to run. So this too is also scummy.
Anyway, those are my immediate thoughts on your posts. If you’re town, I hope you’ll see why you look scummy to some people. The things I’ve said in addition to your overall poor post quality makes you a potentially good lynch target. I’m kinda leaning away from you at this point though. Gotta do a little more reading before I decide whether or not I shall heed my master’s bidding.
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This will be a post on team 8.
Team 8's post count
-stormtemplar 5
-johnnyspazz 14
-BrownBear 7
**Note: BrownBear just recently got back into the game.
**Note: BrownBear has posted more than stormtemplar
Stormtemplar
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 09:16 stormtemplar wrote:
I suspect BM is mafia. Firstly, his constant accusations of yellowink are very scummy looking to me, especially since his claims about yellows logic are unfounded
For example, it makes perfect sense that the mafia wants people to think they are green because then they are not killed yet he attacks this thinking
Second, his morse encoded stealth claim to be medic looks quite scummy, as only a stupid or naive blue would do something that revealed themselves to be mafia.
Of course this is my first mafia game ever so I could be a total idiot and be completely wrong but whatever, this is the impression I'm getting. I don't think that BM's logic is off, his argument for YI was that his play in the current game and XXVII has differed among other things. Uses the I'm-new-to-the-game card. On June 23 2010 09:24 stormtemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 09:20 Chezinu wrote:
Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect"
To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all. Yeah, totaly forgot about the edits thing...Ooops, bad habit. Well I dunno, it is too early to be sure, but I just don't like his actions at all. If we hang yellow and he ends up being green, it might be a little more conclusive. Also, I agree that voting for L is kinda not necessary here yet, and we should kill an inactive team. Proves he's new to mafia. Proposes to kill a yellow team. Nothing ground breaking On June 23 2010 09:32 stormtemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 09:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 09:20 Chezinu wrote:
Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect"
To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all. That's fucking cute given he's on your team. Yeah I Just noticed that as well, kinda worthless, cuz if he's mafia you are too. Useless post. On June 23 2010 09:42 stormtemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 09:36 Chezinu wrote:
I'm thinking it is best to lynch stormtemplar and johnnyspazz.
Reasons:
Jspazz votes L. stormtemplar votes for team 2 and "agrees that voting for L is kinda not necessary". This makes no sense, who are you agreeing/disagreeing with? I don't think L was even mentioned as an option aside from Jspazz. I was disagreeing with jspazz and stating that he was incorrect. oooo, disagreement between the team. I do agree with this notion though to not vote for L but to vote for an inactive team. On June 23 2010 10:53 stormtemplar wrote:
We've been slightly implicated, and I've presented arguments to implicate team 2. What happened to voting for an inactive? Goes back to his original post to vote for BM's team
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I can't seem to get a good read on him, his posts have so far been simple and easy to understand (probably because he doesn't have much to say). He doesn't seem to have a problem to publically show his disagreement with hi teammates.
Predicted role: undecided
johnnyspazz
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now. I don't have much experience with mafia so I'm not sure if this quote is justified. On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on. why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this? I agree with this to an extent. I believe he misinterpreted YI's argument. On June 23 2010 06:06 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:30 Chezinu wrote:
I just know it is a trend that blue/mafia players like to discuss blue roles a lot in mafia games. Blue role would want advice from other on what he or she should do. While mafia would want to give bad advice/discover blue roles. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:
To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed.
For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules) lol! also, bm and chez, i decoded your messages and have to the conclusion you are blue! Joke post, unless they're all mafia (including BM + Chez) I doubt this post holds any weight. On June 23 2010 06:11 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:07 Ace wrote:
Agreed. I also think the way it works is that Teams check Teams, not players checking players. So checking 1 person out a 3 person team isn't really a significant advantage or disadvantage. haha imagine a team of 3 getting 3 dt checks a night, wouldn't that be something Nothing much here, further making fun of my mistake ;_; On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Helps town translate (I for one have no idea what to do with the Di-dit crap). On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? Show nested quote +I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. I think it's a good way to spark discussion; accusing someone right at the beginning. I do agree however, accusing him from past game experience was pretty uncalled for (I wish YI would forget I almost caused the town to lose last game ^ ^; On June 23 2010 11:20 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:17 Chezinu wrote:
You should translate the harder ones that everyone seemed to ignore, maybe just maybe I have a code that only a select few can read! That makes this game fun! i already tried and it was too hard to break! give me a hint i'm going to switch my vote to team 2 because claiming medic day 1 is retarded. ??? I feel that they were just joking around and were not claiming medic day 1. I don't think this is a good move as there are inactive people to pressure ( like me ^ ^;; ). On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else? I think the attacks on Jspazz was uncalled for. A random vote to spark discussion is quite solid.
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His posts have mainly been defending himself - particularly for his initial accusation towards L. I read slightly pro town from him though he hasn't had much analysis and has thus far only attacked when provoked.
BrownBear
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote:Yass, I am back! I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons: + Show Spoiler [Reasons!] +On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.
If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words: On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob. When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool. On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive. But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already) On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.htmland it is accurate to the best of my knowledge. So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP ...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly. There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars. I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team. Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today. Some pretty solid analysis here especially on the morse code stuff and I agree with all of it. The behavior from team 2 has been pretty random and I question whether any of it will help the town at all. On June 23 2010 12:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
The post you're me-tooing, its pretty interesting. Me going 'afk' all day like its a bad thing? I've said multiple times that I work. I'm gone the majority of the day but i post when I'm here. Second, I've gone under the radar? I have the first large post of the game. I've called people out in nearly every fucking post I've made.
Who the fuck are YOU by contrast? Near 0 contributions thusfar coming from a quiet team. Korynne and flamewheel can back me up on this. I had told them I was going to be gone until wednesday, so to put me on a 3 person team so that my inactivity wouldn't be noticed. If you'd actually taken the time to read the signup thread, you would know this. Knocking me for inactivity when I've had a planned absence is just silly. Plus, the reason I think your list is stupid isn't because you had work all day and were gone, it's because you had work all day, were gone, THEN you came back and just put up a single list with NO EXPLANATION. Summary: Learn to read, and learn to back up your lynch-lists if you don't want them called into question. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
Third, no, those choices aren't biased. They were based on the last 3 pages prior to that post and summarized what other people were saying at that point. I've been gone for the majority of the day, as you've said. What's more, I explicitly push both Ace and Radfield's team in that post, meaning that out of the 5 teams I'm watching, only 2 I had on my radar at the start. Again, it doesn't matter if you're "summarizing what other people said" you need to SAY THAT in the first place. Otherwise, people are going to call you on it. When you react to people calling on it by acting like a monkey in a cage, flinging poo on as many people as possible, it makes you look bad. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
So, given that all your claims are terrible, why are you making them? Well, its because the biggest chunk of my post is essentially saying that if you flip red, I'm pretty sure I know who your allies are. That makes you quite possibly the best lynch target for the night. Instead of arguing that you're legit, you instead throw out some OMGUS.
So brownbear, why you supporting an obviously garbage post? From the content and retaliatory nature, its poor on both counts. The only reason I can even start to imagine is that you're happy someone is accusing people who accuse you. Well, yeah, wouldn't you be? Someone accused me (well, my team) for some pretty weak reasons, I'm glad people are calling them on it. Also, you have no right to yell "OMGUS" on me, given you had the first and most retarded OMGUS of the game. Also, my allies are who? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:As for Durak or whatever, lol you're pretty jokes. Uhh, wut? Summary: Try harder next time! Also, stop throwing FoS around like it's fucking candy on halloween. It's not helping us. Just like Jspazz usually does, a defence post while trying to nail the other guy as well. I do agree with BrownBear here and I think he'll be very active and will be able to provide enough posts to get a good read on him. From this post alone, I'm willing to bet that he is a townie. I however disagree with his dislike of the mass FoS, it allows better mafia players to be able to interpret them and be able to get good reads on the player. On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote:
From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on. First of all, I think it's important to note that he hasn't posted for 18 hours. I do however agree with his suspicions for BM-Chez and L-Caller . And agree that actually killing team 7 is a bad idea even if they're inactive. I think the point of voting for them is just to apply pressure on them to post more, not to kill them outright.
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I get a protown reading from him and I quite like his train of thought (I found it quite easy to follow). I sincerely hope he continues his posts
TLDR; I think Team 8 is town though slightly on the inactive side. Then again, I don't think they have any chance of posting as much as players like BM.
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On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?
lol...
1) my vote was on you ~22 hours ago. I changed it because it didn't seem like your team was stepping up at all. Granted, MooCow's gone, but DCLXVI hasn't really stepped up either. You have, but in a very... weird way. You've been talking almost exclusively to BM as far as I can remember.
2) How did I OMGUS-like vote you? My quoting you referred to your saying "Chez switching 7 times in one day is scummy" to show you that just because someone changes their vote often, they aren't scummy. Anyone can do that, and people who have a desire to troll, such as myself, WILL do that.
3) Like I said earlier, it's the serious votes + final vote that count.
4) Me voting for you != me protecting BM.
zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o.
On June 24 2010 10:06 DCLXVI wrote:
@radfield
I am not sure why my last post "screams mafia" since you didn't bother to elaborate, but sure...
Yes we have been inactive and that is our fault, I just wanted to see where day 1 went and see who would be lynched. Apparently that only works for experienced players. We posted slightly less content than team 1 who is quiet all day, then they accuse us so that they look active.
One question to all of you: What will you gain by lynching a quiet noob team? We have not made many opinions or sided with anyone. Yes that can sound scummy, but we would have to be obscenely stupid to do that if we were mafia. I would expect mafia teams to accuse other teams and throw around suspicion especially if they are in the spotlight. If you lynch us then you get absolutely no information when we flip green. Maybe you can go after team 1, but I think they'll just hide behind the 'lynch the inactive' excuse. I thought the point of the day 1 lynch was to find the role of a team that had supporters and suspicions on people, but apparently I am wrong.
Now we must become one of those wishy washy teams that have been moving their vote to keep themselves out of danger (2,7)
-flamewheel
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game?
Naweezy, don't worry, I got my eye on Team 1. But in general, Team 1's posts >> yours in quality.
Activity = more posting = easier reads. That's the basic gist. Therefore, it's in mafia's best interest to post as little as possible. This is a general rule of course.
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Ace is trying to "Force" me to listen to him. lololol.
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On June 24 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote:
zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o.
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of course, i think every single player in the game panicks at the thought of dying. Though i suppose i wouldnt mind dying too much if it gave the town some decent info or anything from it, but if we die then flip green what has that gained anyone?
id much rather see a red team flip the first day, though i guess the odds are against that
and how is that weird, the way ive become active? ive been talking to the person i suspect the most because i want them to talk back alot so i can see if i get anything out of them
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hi, i'm back from my day
how is everyone?
To LaXerCannon
+ Show Spoiler +I don't have much experience with mafia so I'm not sure if this quote is justified. next time i'll just say, this is a random vote to start things off cause that was my real purpose of the vote/post Helps town translate (I for one have no idea what to do with the Di-dit crap). i think helping the town translate shows i'm leaning more pro-town than anti-town because if i was mafia, wouldn't i rather leave the lazy people who stay confused instead of translating the morse code for them? ??? I feel that they were just joking around and were not claiming medic day 1. I don't think this is a good move as there are inactive people to pressure ( like me ^ ^;; ). it isn't really funny at all or helpful to the town to joke about being the medic. i totally agree with you that it's not a good move. i guess there are good things and bad things that can happen but the combination of their claim and posting history that makes me think it is a mafia ploy to lure out the medic instead of soaking a mafia hit. what if there are actually no medics in this game? then the mafia could potentially create a lot of confusion among the town by just not killing anyone. there is a 50/50 chance that there is a medic in this game and if the mafia members are experienced enough to blend in well, then i think they would make this gambit.
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lol if caller gets modkilled
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On June 24 2010 10:32 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote:
zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o.
. of course, i think every single player in the game panicks at the thought of dying. Though i suppose i wouldnt mind dying too much if it gave the town some decent info or anything from it, but if we die then flip green what has that gained anyone? id much rather see a red team flip the first day, though i guess the odds are against that and how is that weird, the way ive become active? ive been talking to the person i suspect the most because i want them to talk back alot so i can see if i get anything out of them
Sometimes, you must learn to accept your fate, even if it is death. You can join the Force...
It's weird because in the span of like <6 hours, you went from pretty much inactive, to extremely active with you and BM arguing against each other, to you two being buddy-buddy in the final hour...
Doesn't that just sound weird? I'm not saying weird as in scummy or any kind of read, but I just find it weird xD.
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On June 24 2010 10:27 flamewheel wrote:
I GET IT HE CASTS LIGHTNING!
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I'm really not comfortable with staying on team 9, but I'd also rather not switch to team 2,
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On June 24 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm really not comfortable with staying on team 9, but I'd also rather not switch to team 2,
then give us an alternative
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late push = scummy.
i have a very good day 2 argument, plz keep me alive to make it
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i am not going to unvote unless i have to
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Team 7, laxer is convincing me, the others just don't read red for me.
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Oh god 3 minutes left. *checks vote thread*
I don't have enough votes to switch, and Radfield is not around. So I will save analysis for after the day ends in 2 minutes.
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Is Chezinu like, dumb? He can vote switch to save himself...
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wait quick rules question: if it is 15-15 for the votes, but team 2 got to 15 before team 9, who dies?
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On June 24 2010 10:59 DCLXVI wrote:
wait quick rules question: if it is 15-15 for the votes, but team 2 got to 15 before team 9, who dies?
team 2 dies
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On June 24 2010 10:59 DCLXVI wrote:
wait quick rules question: if it is 15-15 for the votes, but team 2 got to 15 before team 9, who dies?
Team 2 would die.
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well i had a great argument
korynne wants me alive because i act anti town
therefore she is scum
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it's who ever gets voted against first, so if it's 15-15 who ever reached 15 votes first
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Just switched my vote to team 2 so we don't get any last minute surprises from anyone, since I realized that Chezinu had not voted for the other team that was tied with his.
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Aw I'll miss BM and cheezenoodle
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lol nevermind she dropped the hammer
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Night post coming up shortly.
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well, of course i am town. i made huge posts this game and spammed
that is exactly what i do when i am town
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On June 24 2010 11:02 Bill Murray wrote:
well, of course i am town. i made huge posts this game and spammed
that is exactly what i do when i am town
well maybe next time you play sane from the start
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Well I would have to say I don't read you as red BM/Chez, and in my analysis I said I would be okay with leaving you two alive for another day. But like, not leaving voting to chance with someone as active as Chezinu not voting for the team that is not him at the moment.
I can't sway the vote to any other team, so I might as well consolidate the current vote to make sure no one does anything shifty.
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he had to go somewhere
what you did was shifty
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i refused to off-vote so late as to learn from my mistakes
i will definitely re-analyze playing with certain players
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Night 1:
Darth BeijingRen strides angrily through the corridors of the Death Star, scattering troops and officers in his wake. Running at his side is Commander Oswald, who is soon to be choked to death aboard the Executor.
"My lord, what is the problem?"
"There is a disturbance in the Force, I can feel it."
"Oh no, not this again, my Lord. I swear you sense that "old master" of yours at least twice a week now. You must be getting--"
"No, it is not Obi-Wan this time. It i s something... HACK COUGH COUGH. Damn asthma, hand me my rebreather, would you?"
BeijingRen reaches one of the docking bays, where a squadron of stormtroopers are engaged in combat with two individuals, Bill Murray and Chezinu. However, being typical stormtroopers they can't shoot at all, and thus the laser sprays keep going wide. Of course, the saying that if you put a thousand monkeys in front of a thousand typewriters being true, the two are finally put down by phasers set on stun.
BeijingRen turns to Oswald. "What the hell, this isn't Star Trek."
Then he Force chokes Bill Murray and Chezinu to death.
And in a galaxy far, far away, Caller and MooCow are executed by the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth flamewheel, for inactivity.
Team 2, consisting of Bill Murray and Chezinu, is now dead.
Caller and MooCow are modkilled.
Night actions, go go go. You have a little less than 24 hours.
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Well BM, I can't save you, I was already voting for the tied team. So the best I could do at that point was to make sure nobody pulls anything shifty at the last minute.
It's like, if we needed majority to lynch and voting was tied, I would vote switch just to make sure lynching happened. I mean, this case it wasn't like no lynch was going to happen but I still didn't like that uncertainty hanging around.
Also like, team 9 has been posting more, and people have expressed wanting to leave them around for longer, especially since they're relatively new. You and Chez spam up the thread like no other so like, meh, s'okay to see you go.
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This place is awfully quiet now that it's night. =\
Or now that BM/Chez are not around.
For the newer teams we spared Day 1 (7,8,9 ish?) I would suggest doing analysis on people. Not that vets shouldn't but I mean they've posted more content.
I'll do more analysis tomorrow.
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On June 24 2010 11:15 Korynne wrote:
Well BM, I can't save you, I was already voting for the tied team. So the best I could do at that point was to make sure nobody pulls anything shifty at the last minute.
It's like, if we needed majority to lynch and voting was tied, I would vote switch just to make sure lynching happened. I mean, this case it wasn't like no lynch was going to happen but I still didn't like that uncertainty hanging around.
Also like, team 9 has been posting more, and people have expressed wanting to leave them around for longer, especially since they're relatively new. You and Chez spam up the thread like no other so like, meh, s'okay to see you go.
your last minute vote seems awfully fishy to me. you say you voted to no one pulls anything shifty at the last minute but i would consider your vote pretty darn shifty. what "uncertainty" did you not like? perhaps you wanted to guarantee the death of team 2 because you were protecting your mafia teammates and you knew team 2 would flip green?
haha i'm probably over thinking this
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If I didn't switch my vote then Team 2 would've died. Nothing changed because I switched my vote, and nothing would've changed had I not switched my vote.
Things were less likely to change as a result of my vote.
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On June 24 2010 11:32 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 11:15 Korynne wrote:
Well BM, I can't save you, I was already voting for the tied team. So the best I could do at that point was to make sure nobody pulls anything shifty at the last minute.
It's like, if we needed majority to lynch and voting was tied, I would vote switch just to make sure lynching happened. I mean, this case it wasn't like no lynch was going to happen but I still didn't like that uncertainty hanging around.
Also like, team 9 has been posting more, and people have expressed wanting to leave them around for longer, especially since they're relatively new. You and Chez spam up the thread like no other so like, meh, s'okay to see you go. your last minute vote seems awfully fishy to me. you say you voted to no one pulls anything shifty at the last minute but i would consider your vote pretty darn shifty. what "uncertainty" did you not like? perhaps you wanted to guarantee the death of team 2 because you were protecting your mafia teammates and you knew team 2 would flip green? haha i'm probably over thinking this
Lol I was going to bring this up but it saved me... which makes my team look even worse. Korynee protected us against chez coming back in time to sway the vote, but didn't do much else. This means that Korynee wanted to save my team or kill BM/chez, and since she(?) wanted BM/Chez around for another day, that puts it more likely on saving me/divinek. The other option is that Korynee wanted to prevent any successful vote swings by other teams. This would not be a smart move for the town since a last minute vote swing would cast the vote changer under heavy suspicion and the saved team under some suspicion too. The town would want to see a vote swing happen for that. If Korynee is mafia then a mafia would not want to see a vote swing because my team is mafia... I don't like where this is going. Korynee's action puts both of us under suspicion and I suggest the town think about lynching kory/rad to see if my team is red or not.
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Like honestly, if I was mafia:
1) BM/Chez innocent, team 9 innocent: switching last minute makes no sense whoever dies means the same. If BM/Chez live it's probably better because everyone hates them whereas team 9 looks like they're making a comeback.
2)BM/Chez innocent, team 9 mafia: If I knew team 9 was my mafia buddies then Radfield pushing so hard to get them lynched would've been a really bad idea when so many other people supported lynching Chez/BM or bumcannon. Me voting for them before leaving for dinner not knowing when I'd come back would also be rather ballsy.
DCLXVI, I don't like how you're pushing to lynch us rather than you. So far we have not been under suspicion, and you guys have, not to mention Radfield basically pushed for your lynch all along. I also don't like how you're hinting at the fact that if we get lynched and we turn out green someone that implies that you guys are more green.
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So sorry DCLXVI it did make you look more scummy. xP
I don't think it's good to cast everyone under suspicion. If Chezinu came in at the last moment and switched over to you guys, you guys are dead. Then we're all over Chez/BM for the next day and mafia can easily hide.
And like I said, it would be rather stupid for Radfield to push for killing you guys if we're a team of mafia.
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D'oh, my apologies to team 2. You guys gave me a bad vibe early on which I rode to the end. Sorry it didn't work out.
And LaXer: I know, I know, I tend to drop off the face of the earth for long periods at a time, I'm sorry. It's a constant struggle, I'm working on it.
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On June 24 2010 11:45 Korynne wrote:
Like honestly, if I was mafia:
1) BM/Chez innocent, team 9 innocent: switching last minute makes no sense whoever dies means the same. If BM/Chez live it's probably better because everyone hates them whereas team 9 looks like they're making a comeback.
2)BM/Chez innocent, team 9 mafia: If I knew team 9 was my mafia buddies then Radfield pushing so hard to get them lynched would've been a really bad idea when so many other people supported lynching Chez/BM or bumcannon. Me voting for them before leaving for dinner not knowing when I'd come back would also be rather ballsy.
DCLXVI, I don't like how you're pushing to lynch us rather than you. So far we have not been under suspicion, and you guys have, not to mention Radfield basically pushed for your lynch all along. I also don't like how you're hinting at the fact that if we get lynched and we turn out green someone that implies that you guys are more green.
Well I don't understand why you would prevent a vote switch as a townie or a mafia unless you want to put more suspicion on us (as well as yourself). As I pointed out someone vote switching would only help the town in the long run, and you tried to prevent that? I think I implied that it is likely that we are the same alignment from a town perspective, please point out where I am wrong with that logic. Since I know that I am town and Radfield did nearly kill us, that makes me think that you are mafia and you wanted the town to think that we are the same alignment. Therefore if the town lynches us next and we show up green, then you could look very pro-town. That is why I want you lynched first, since you did the actions that make both of us look scummy.
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On June 24 2010 11:12 flamewheel wrote:
Night 1:
Darth BeijingRen strides angrily through the corridors of the Death Star, scattering troops and officers in his wake. Running at his side is Commander Oswald, who is soon to be choked to death aboard the Executor. "My lord, what is the problem?" "There is a disturbance in the Force, I can feel it." "Oh no, not this again, my Lord. I swear you sense that "old master" of yours at least twice a week now. You must be getting--" "No, it is not Obi-Wan this time. It i s something... HACK COUGH COUGH. Damn asthma, hand me my rebreather, would you?" BeijingRen reaches one of the docking bays, where a squadron of stormtroopers are engaged in combat with two individuals, Bill Murray and Chezinu. However, being typical stormtroopers they can't shoot at all, and thus the laser sprays keep going wide. Of course, the saying that if you put a thousand monkeys in front of a thousand typewriters being true, the two are finally put down by phasers set on stun. BeijingRen turns to Oswald. "What the hell, this isn't Star Trek." Then he Force chokes Bill Murray and Chezinu to death. Suddenly, Darth flamewheel, the Dark Lord of the Sith, popped out of nowhere, frying Bill Murray and Chezinu with Force Lightning.And in a galaxy far, far away, Caller and MooCow are executed by Darth BeijingRen, for inactivity.
Team 2, consisting of Bill Murray and Chezinu, is now dead. Caller and MooCow are modkilled.
Night actions, go go go. You have a little less than 24 hours.
Gotta love the smell of fried spam in the morning. Hopefully now I'll be able to manage keeping up with this thread without having to have 15 pages of posts just pop up overnight.
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On June 24 2010 12:01 BrownBear wrote:
D'oh, my apologies to team 2. You guys gave me a bad vibe early on which I rode to the end. Sorry it didn't work out.
And LaXer: I know, I know, I tend to drop off the face of the earth for long periods at a time, I'm sorry. It's a constant struggle, I'm working on it.
I really like your posts though
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Oh and, I'm going to a party tomorrow so my next post will be pretty late (probably 24 hours from now if best).
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On June 24 2010 12:48 LaXerCannon wrote:
Oh and, I'm going to a party tomorrow so my next post will be pretty late (probably 24 hours from now if best).
Repeating the warning so you have no excuse: "Night actions, go go go. You have a little less than 24 hours."
Who voted for BM
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Lol Incognito ur such a qt
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 12:07 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 11:45 Korynne wrote:
Like honestly, if I was mafia:
1) BM/Chez innocent, team 9 innocent: switching last minute makes no sense whoever dies means the same. If BM/Chez live it's probably better because everyone hates them whereas team 9 looks like they're making a comeback.
2)BM/Chez innocent, team 9 mafia: If I knew team 9 was my mafia buddies then Radfield pushing so hard to get them lynched would've been a really bad idea when so many other people supported lynching Chez/BM or bumcannon. Me voting for them before leaving for dinner not knowing when I'd come back would also be rather ballsy.
DCLXVI, I don't like how you're pushing to lynch us rather than you. So far we have not been under suspicion, and you guys have, not to mention Radfield basically pushed for your lynch all along. I also don't like how you're hinting at the fact that if we get lynched and we turn out green someone that implies that you guys are more green. Well I don't understand why you would prevent a vote switch as a townie or a mafia unless you want to put more suspicion on us (as well as yourself). As I pointed out someone vote switching would only help the town in the long run, and you tried to prevent that? I think I implied that it is likely that we are the same alignment from a town perspective, please point out where I am wrong with that logic. Since I know that I am town and Radfield did nearly kill us, that makes me think that you are mafia and you wanted the town to think that we are the same alignment. Therefore if the town lynches us next and we show up green, then you could look very pro-town. That is why I want you lynched first, since you did the actions that make both of us look scummy.
I completely disagree. But I'll let other members like Ace or L chime in on the scumdar factor of that switch. How does vote switching help town in the long run? If you guys are green, town freaks out and goes OMG THE VOTE SWITCHER IS MAFIA and we bicker about that for a day and real mafia can just hide out while we lynch at least one of the switcher and BM/Chez.
Right, town thinks we're the same alignment, because Radfield was the one who pushed for your lynch even though Ace is like omg BM/Chez so mafia! We're sooo associated, because if I hadn't switched, oh, BM/Chez would've died anyway. And to top it off, let's just point out to the world just how connected we are by yelling at each other.
All I can see here from you is that you found one little thing to poke at and you're going to push it and make it a big deal. No one else has expressed that they think we are associated, nor do I think if you turned up red/green it should reflect on us. If it was any other group I would've done the same.
See before now I was voting for you guys mainly because Radfield figures you're scum, and without a strong read on anyone else I was okay with going with his idea (we agreed to vote together). Now I'm thinking you're very scummy. You're trying to get us lynched and clear yourselves. If you are town, how do you know we're not going to turn up red? If you think we look so scummy and you think we're going to turn up red then it reflects poorly on you since you decided to tie us into a bundle. So the only way this idea makes any sense is for you to be mafia.
Oh also, what really kicks you in the bum is that you seem to say 1. we're connected 2. it makes us look scummy together. Never once have you said you, team 1, korynne and radfield, looks scummy period. Because you don't think we're scummy, you think that lynching us will clear your scummy name. I've been accusing you of being scum, you've just been trying to lynch us while tying us together.
Sorry DCLXVI, but I don't really see how you can talk yourself out of this one.
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To make you more ridiculous, look at it this way.
We lynch me and Radfield, results:
We turn up townie: Oh look they're townie so we must be townie right?? - DCLXVI
We turn up mafia: Oh but I thought they were going to be townies, I swear I'm not associated with them! (So why did you want to lynch them if you thought they were townies...) Oh but, they turned out mafia so it's all good right?? (...) -DCLXVI
Whereas if we lynch you guys:
You turn up townie: Oh wow they made a really stupid move as townies then. (no comment anywhere about confirming us in any way of being not mafia) -me
You turn up mafia: Well there, we caught them, moving along now. -me
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While last minute vote switching may be sketchy in general, I believe kor is justified in this move. She was following through and protecting the towns plan. The vote didnt change anything, but prevented a fatal switch.
It doesnt really matter, as nothing happened so nothing changed. Lets just move on and pray we get lucky in the night. 50% chance of even having a medic and a 12.5% to protect the person hit... and a potential roleblocking of the medic instead of the DT.
I think that wold be about 5% to block a hit, but hopefully scum and a medic have the same train of thought
Please stop assuming I know anything also, its just very likely there is a blue in the game. Im not a scum roleblocker publicly announcing that I know what setup it is -_-
Alright so we probably wont get any luck,.. guess we'll have to see...
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Bum you seem very paranoid at the idea of people assuming you are roleblocker, but I guess reasonably so since this has been pointed out to you once already.
I'm still unhappy with the wording of your post, in that you said a potential roleblocking of the medic instead of the DT. It makes it sound like you're looking at it from mafia's perspective rather than town's perspective. (Okay, so we have a roleblocker, so there's 50% chance there's a medic, then they have a 12.5% chance of protecting the person we're hitting... and then hopefully we can block the medic or DT or something...)
Rather than from town's point of view: There's 50% chance we have a medic, 50% chance we have a DT, 12.5% chance to protect someone, 25% chance DT catches mafia, and really the setup with both DT/medic is just better for us compared to dt/medic because it's not likely that the mafia will find both.
It feels like you are only thinking of nothing vs. dt+medic rather than nothing, dt, medic, dt+medic.
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On June 24 2010 20:35 Korynne wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 12:07 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 11:45 Korynne wrote:
Like honestly, if I was mafia:
1) BM/Chez innocent, team 9 innocent: switching last minute makes no sense whoever dies means the same. If BM/Chez live it's probably better because everyone hates them whereas team 9 looks like they're making a comeback.
2)BM/Chez innocent, team 9 mafia: If I knew team 9 was my mafia buddies then Radfield pushing so hard to get them lynched would've been a really bad idea when so many other people supported lynching Chez/BM or bumcannon. Me voting for them before leaving for dinner not knowing when I'd come back would also be rather ballsy.
DCLXVI, I don't like how you're pushing to lynch us rather than you. So far we have not been under suspicion, and you guys have, not to mention Radfield basically pushed for your lynch all along. I also don't like how you're hinting at the fact that if we get lynched and we turn out green someone that implies that you guys are more green. Well I don't understand why you would prevent a vote switch as a townie or a mafia unless you want to put more suspicion on us (as well as yourself). As I pointed out someone vote switching would only help the town in the long run, and you tried to prevent that? I think I implied that it is likely that we are the same alignment from a town perspective, please point out where I am wrong with that logic. Since I know that I am town and Radfield did nearly kill us, that makes me think that you are mafia and you wanted the town to think that we are the same alignment. Therefore if the town lynches us next and we show up green, then you could look very pro-town. That is why I want you lynched first, since you did the actions that make both of us look scummy. I completely disagree. But I'll let other members like Ace or L chime in on the scumdar factor of that switch. How does vote switching help town in the long run? If you guys are green, town freaks out and goes OMG THE VOTE SWITCHER IS MAFIA and we bicker about that for a day and real mafia can just hide out while we lynch at least one of the switcher and BM/Chez. Right, town thinks we're the same alignment, because Radfield was the one who pushed for your lynch even though Ace is like omg BM/Chez so mafia! We're sooo associated, because if I hadn't switched, oh, BM/Chez would've died anyway. And to top it off, let's just point out to the world just how connected we are by yelling at each other. All I can see here from you is that you found one little thing to poke at and you're going to push it and make it a big deal. No one else has expressed that they think we are associated, nor do I think if you turned up red/green it should reflect on us. If it was any other group I would've done the same. See before now I was voting for you guys mainly because Radfield figures you're scum, and without a strong read on anyone else I was okay with going with his idea (we agreed to vote together). Now I'm thinking you're very scummy. You're trying to get us lynched and clear yourselves. If you are town, how do you know we're not going to turn up red? If you think we look so scummy and you think we're going to turn up red then it reflects poorly on you since you decided to tie us into a bundle. So the only way this idea makes any sense is for you to be mafia. Oh also, what really kicks you in the bum is that you seem to say 1. we're connected 2. it makes us look scummy together. Never once have you said you, team 1, korynne and radfield, looks scummy period. Because you don't think we're scummy, you think that lynching us will clear your scummy name. I've been accusing you of being scum, you've just been trying to lynch us while tying us together. Sorry DCLXVI, but I don't really see how you can talk yourself out of this one.
Sorry, but this entire post is bullshit given that you know that Chez had the opportunity to save himself. This wasn't supposed to stop a 'random vote switcher' from creating chaos. This was to stop Chez from doing the obvious thing and keeping himself alive.
I'm pretty fucking sure Chez voting group 9 wouldn't have raised crazy alarm bells. It wouldn't have created chaos. Chez has a perfect fucking town answer to voting group 9 on day 1 even if they'd have flipped green: He didn't want to fucking die.
Your vote switch, however, did raise alarm bells. Despite having been on the other vote train the entire time, neither you or your partner really bothered to make a decent push against T9 in the thread.
Saying that T9 flipping mafia wouldn't implicate you is off the wall insane.
P.S. Caller you're hilarious :3
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Its still the same percentage of chance, and whats wrong with speclating from the mafia PoV?
I wasnt disregarding anything, and it's all hypothetical. I didnt refer to every scenario because they are all covered by 2 in 4 shots for medic in the game and the 12.5 for protection. I didnt mean potential only as in who they roleblock necessarily, but rather potential for setup RB and DT/medic.
and theirs a 50% shot from both townie and RB mafia view points. And Id rather scum hit someone unpredictable, as they wold not be hitting their preferable target.
Damn straight im paranoid because the second I tried to discuss any blue plans (75% for at lest one blue and 25% for two in an 9 player is good odds in my book) People asked me why I was "assuming" we had any blues. I dont believe I've ever condoned a certainty of any setup, and the disregarding of another.
Maybe I should spell out the steps I take in my head to reach the conclusions I did?
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L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out.
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence.
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L are you like, blind or can you not read? Radfield was the one pushing for T9's death in this thread. Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield.
Me and Radfield were the 2nd and 3rd to vote for T9, and that's probably only because we don't like to vote early. Darth was the first to vote for T9 but he's a vote switcher. So you're telling me if T9 was mafia and we were mafia it would be a really good idea to start a bandwagon on them? I went out for dinner and I mentioned that, and it would also totally be a good idea to vote for my mafia teammates and then just leave for a while and hope for the best...
My actions didn't change anything from happening, nor could I have changed anything from happening. Chez didn't come back and vote for T9. I was f5ing the voting thread for the 2 minutes after I voted until it was time's up.
So let's see, I'm around and clearly active from :55 to :05 and I just decide to switch over to BM/Chez even though they were going to get lynched anyway, when I could just f5 the thread to make sure Chez didn't vote switch at the last minute.
My actions didn't change anything, other than the fact that now T9 is flipping at me trying to tie us both together and not directly accusing us of being scummy (in fact, if we turn out scum they pretty much just hung themselves). They're saying, well... I can see how you guys would tie us to T1 (even though no one else mentioned it, johnnyspazz said MY actions looked shifty, not that T1 and T9 are related) so like, you guys should lynch them to make sure we're clean. Rather than like, well we're townies so even though this might look suspicious we think that T1 is probably not mafia because if they were it wouldn't make a difference if we died or BM/Chez died. Essentially, they are saying:
1. If one of us turns out mafia, then the other is mafia.
2. If one of us turns out town, the other is town.
So they should know that they are town...therefore they should not be supporting lynching T1. There's zero mention of I don't think T1 is mafia but I understand if you guys want to lynch one of us to figure it out. They're very much clearly pushing to lynch us, which can only mean that they are mafia and know that we're town and so want us to die to prove their innocence.
Also FoS on L for not addressing any of the logical points in my post and just calling bullshit on something that didn't change the outcome of anything.
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In return for your valiant death BM, I would like to point out a funny, ignore this post game-wise
+ Show Spoiler +It would seem I didnt have the balls and Korynne did
End irony.
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Either I didn't word my posts correctly or you just misunderstood, but I don't believe that we are the same alignment. I said that you saving T9 makes it look like we are both scum. If you are townie then you just made a pointless switch. The town would want to see a vote switch because yes, it would heavily implicate a team. No townie team in their right mind would do that. Your team pushed to get T9 killed by started up the bandwagon. You also stated that you would like to see BM/Chez around for another day. Then you decide to prevent chez from saving his team while saving mine in the process. How is this beneficial for the town at all?
You just created chaos in the town by doing a pointless vote switch - why? Why would a town team try to create chaos for no change in the outcome?
Lynching you would not prove that t9 is green, I just think that you are red. You stir up commotion for no apparent reason while casting suspicion on my team.
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I don't see what the big deal is. She explicitly stated she was going to vote for Chez/BM so they couldn't save themselves - obviously at that point she made up her mind.
Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be scum because of the vote switch then you should ask yourself why didn't they vote for the other teams that were also in hot water. I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. I said it like 4 times but the only person even close to their scum level is L.
Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. If he did then he should have voted/persuaded others ages before the deadline. I don't know what he was waiting for but it's just as ridiculous to blame someone for another person's death while said person has the chance to save themselves.
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On June 25 2010 02:04 bumatlarge wrote:
L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out.
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence.
No.
The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9.
A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses.
Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend.
The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target.
What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo.
What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green?
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Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No.
Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant.
Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either.
I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it.
Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting.
Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs.
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On June 25 2010 03:30 DCLXVI wrote:
Either I didn't word my posts correctly or you just misunderstood, but I don't believe that we are the same alignment. I said that you saving T9 makes it look like we are both scum. If you are townie then you just made a pointless switch. The town would want to see a vote switch because yes, it would heavily implicate a team. No townie team in their right mind would do that. Your team pushed to get T9 killed by started up the bandwagon. You also stated that you would like to see BM/Chez around for another day. Then you decide to prevent chez from saving his team while saving mine in the process. How is this beneficial for the town at all?
You just created chaos in the town by doing a pointless vote switch - why? Why would a town team try to create chaos for no change in the outcome?
Lynching you would not prove that t9 is green, I just think that you are red. You stir up commotion for no apparent reason while casting suspicion on my team.
Before now you've never really called me scummy. You were just like oh my god we look like we're so associated. Let's lynch you to make sure we're clear. Like honestly, anyone who cannot see the totally different thing you're saying now compared to after I changed my vote is either blind or can't read.
So now you've switched your idea and are now saying oh hey you guys are so scummy we're innocent?
If you guys are innocent and we're mafia why would we switch votes to oh look, another group of innocent townies. Seems rather silly, especially if they're going to get lynched anyway.
So far Ace seems okay with what I did, and so does bumatlarge. So that means at least one of the three groups of us is not mafia. Johnnyspazz made a very non-committed statement by saying what I said was fishy and then going well I'm probably just overthinking. You and L are really pushing it, so from what I can see, either johnnyspazz is mafia and is trying to get the ball rolling for someone else to hammer us and he gets out free, or you and L are mafia and are picking at this one little thing to lynch me for.
The whole purpose of my vote switch is to make people talk. I feel like DCLXVI is really like omg I found something let's push it and get team 1 killed. Radfield thought you guys were suspicious and voted for you but there wasn't really a lot there. Now I feel like I've managed to push you over the edge and I'm getting somewhere with the scum hunting based on your reactions to my post. I want to hear all the teams opinions on my vote switching, but as far as I'm concerned, my vote switch did not change the outcomes of the day's lynch.
If anyone is creating chaos that's DCLXVI and L. If town just reacted like Ace being like meh whatever didn't change a thing then it would just mean that even if I was mafia I failed to create chaos. What I did manage to do as town is to make DCLXVI talk and I personally believe he dug himself into a hole after his change of opinion from omg that makes us both look really scummy so we should lynch you guys because you did the vote switch to oh well i must have phrased what i said poorly then what I meant is that i think you're scummy. If you thought I was scummy you would make a post like johnnyspazz saying you look fishy for what you did rather than oh hey you made us look like we're associated.
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On June 25 2010 03:48 L wrote:Show nested quote +Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No.
Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play.
Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant.
The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading.
Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either.
If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched.
Show nested quote +I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs.
I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because?
Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum.
Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works.
Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out?
Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were.
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L if you think I'm doing it to be in "quasi-limbo" then just consider it as I voted, with my partner Radfield, for team 9. I didn't really have an opinion on who to lynch but I agreed with Radfield that we should vote together so since he figured a read on 9 I voted for 9 with him.
I never really said I believed that BM/Chez was town or mafia. This was my conclusion from my analysis:
Conclusion: Well they are really active... so I mean that's a plus. However quality of posting isn't all that great, but it is Day 1. I'm okay with letting them live at least another day to get a better read, since they are pretty guaranteed to speak a lot.
So all I said is I'm okay with them living another day, because they're active so it's easier to get a read on them than say some townies who have posted like nothing. I also noted that the quality of their posts wasn't that great(but that's just a Chez/BM type of thing).
When day starts I will be voting for team 9 unless someone else turns up super scummy because I don't like the inconsistency in DCLXVI's argument.
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Also note that way more people voted for Chez/BM than for T9. I don't know if they just were voting with their team or not (me and Radfield said we'd vote together) but if not then that's a lot more people believing that BM/Chez are scum than believing T9 is scum.
I think really Radfield was the only one thinking T9 was scum (didn't check the thread to confirm) but most people were just like yo let's put some pressure on T9 since T7 started talking now.
Besides, everyone agrees that BM/Chez spam up the thread like no other. We've all been having real analysis and conversation for the last couple pages since they died, that helps out town in my books.
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On June 25 2010 04:32 Korynne wrote:
Also note that way more people voted for Chez/BM than for T9. I don't know if they just were voting with their team or not (me and Radfield said we'd vote together) but if not then that's a lot more people believing that BM/Chez are scum than believing T9 is scum.
I think really Radfield was the only one thinking T9 was scum (didn't check the thread to confirm) but most people were just like yo let's put some pressure on T9 since T7 started talking now.
Besides, everyone agrees that BM/Chez spam up the thread like no other. We've all been having real analysis and conversation for the last couple pages since they died, that helps out town in my books.
Don't worry that's Ls terrible style of play. If someone that everyone but himself thinks is scummy and playing badly when they flip innocent L will come in turning a blind eye to why the players were lynched and start pointing fingers at everyone. Like I said there's a reason he has a reputation of being a bad player.
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On June 25 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 03:48 L wrote:Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No. Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play. Sorry Ace, I actually look at a player's prior play when evaluating them. Chez and BM do that shit all the time as town. I can understand an argument for using the lynch for metagaming purposes, but you're essentially saying "because I've never liked their standard play, they're mafia" which is false. Show nested quote +Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant. The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading. Oh, It was never going to tip? Then Korynne didn't have to do anything :3. QEDShow nested quote +Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either. If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched. oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.Show nested quote +I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs. [ I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because? Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum. Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works. Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out? Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were. Do better? Conspiracy theories? We had someone throw a random vote at the end of a huge swing period of voting. How is that not something worth looking at? Being targetted for lynch gives those two teams an emotional reaction for why they would vote the way they did. Team 8, Korynne and you do not have emotional outs. Do I think teams 7,9 are magically innocent? No. Did I say they were? No. But thanks for implying I did!
Oh, and good job on thinking they were scum despite having admitted you had a pre-game grudge against them. Fantastic scumdar there. You're also off when you point the finger at me. If your partner didn't heavily play like he's blue, I'd probably have thought you were mafia. I guess you're just rusty because you haven't played a game in a billion years. Sucks to be bad bro. Step it up.
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Also i'm steppin' out because it is the national holiday which is actually the provincial holiday and there is much beer to be had.
Mafia, feel free to kill me so that it becomes 100% obvious that Ace is terrible.
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1.) I don't care if their standard play when they are town is to play like idiots. If you play badly and play scummy you get lynched - this is not a hard concept to understand.
2.) It wasn't going to tip. If it was going to tip then surely SOMEBODY would have voted to tip them right? You're trying to create a scenario that wasn't there. If you want to speak for Chez saying he could have saved himself then speak for him and explain to us why he didn't. You can't. Thanks.
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oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.
What? This doesn't even make sense. Who are these people that voted for other reasons than believe that T2 were mafia. If you truly believe those people then I'm asking you again what game are you playing. You also forget a vast majority doesn't decide the vote here. So that point is null. Once again you are spouting nonsense to make it seem as if T2 deserved to live despite their scummy play.
4.) Korynne's vote wasn't random - she explained what she was going to do WELL in advance of the deadline. Stop falsifying people's actions. It's not worth looking at because it didn't change anything. T2 had more than enough time - hours - to convince people they weren't scum. They failed. Chez also had a chance to use his vote right? He failed. Don't blame someone else for their death when they had all time in the world to save themselves.
Emotional reaction? where are you pulling this shit from? I never even implied that you said teams 7 and 9 are innocent. I specifically said you threw them out of the equation and pointed at the rest of us. How does that even compute?
I said I had a pre-game grudge against them? Did I use that as the basis for my vote or did I say BM was throwing around terms he saw on mafiascum.net incorrectly to justify his vote, threw around several accusations wily nilly, spammed the thread, switched votes several times in the day and had no clear idea on who he thought was guilty? Or how about when I said BM and Chez were playing badly by talking nonsense. Oh how about when I called him out for his "theory" on the 3rd voter on a wagon being scum and showed how it was wrong?
See once again you are blatantly lying about what's going on in the game. Now you even try to play the "your bad" card that no one will believe. So far I've caught you making shit up, misrepresenting myself and other players' positions on day 1 and trying to stave off T2s bad play as everyone else's fault.
Yup, my scumdar is beeping again.
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Chezinu was mafia that last game that Incog/me ran. Seems like he was still spewing nonsense in there half the time. The whole idea is that BM/Chez is hard to read because they're so crazy and really, getting rid of them just makes life easier for town in general.
Look at the lack of spam these last couple pages! We can definitely get a good read on what me, Ace, L, DCLXVI have said in these two pages compared to like 25 pages of spam before that that.
Also Ace, what is your opinion of how scummy DCLXVI is based on his posts during the night?
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Bill your dead. Delete your posts and move on.
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On June 25 2010 05:08 Korynne wrote:
Chezinu was mafia that last game that Incog/me ran. Seems like he was still spewing nonsense in there half the time. The whole idea is that BM/Chez is hard to read because they're so crazy and really, getting rid of them just makes life easier for town in general.
Look at the lack of spam these last couple pages! We can definitely get a good read on what me, Ace, L, DCLXVI have said in these two pages compared to like 25 pages of spam before that that.
Also Ace, what is your opinion of how scummy DCLXVI is based on his posts during the night?
I don't want to call him scummy yet because right now L is definitely #1 in my book. DCLXVI is along the same veins of making up conspiracy theories and motives that don't support what actually happened. Really he could just be confused.
The problem here is players don't look at the game as a whole and just isolate events. So they don't understand why certain things have played out the way they did so far. The result? Said players end up jumping into specific points of the game ignoring everything and getting into arguments because they just don't want to understand what has happened so far.
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I switched my vote from 2 to 9 initially because
1) 9 was relatively quiet, which means they were comfortable with how they were posting. When votes came on to them, both of them made it very clear they were not comfortable and went through a good deal of wishy washy voting to prepare their thoughts on the whole matter. By the time I read their posts that were very similar to BM's attempt at survival, it was nearing the deadline. Due to T2's style and chez absence at that time, I preferedd losing them as opposed to T9's potential to help the town.
2) Out of the selfish logic to put the votes on them rather then myself. My death wouldnt lead anywhere and both the other teams still could be mafia. The only certainty I had was myself being town, and I was going to keep myself alive if push came to shove.
I would have switched my vote to anyone BM or darth asked me to.
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So after rereading DCLXVI's last post I think I get where he's coming from...
So my conclusion on that whole fiasco is that he seems to think I have a great big conspiracy plan (even though no one else in the thread thought so) and that he wanted to make sure my great big conspiracy plan that doesn't exist doesn't happen.
I'm still not convinced that he wasn't trying to pull a flip in that we lynch us and then he looks greener but he had lots of holes in his argument that he patched up later so I would say that's like, a reasonable paranoid newb move.
So if Ace presents a good case on L I'm okay with lynching him instead, or if someone else brings up a good case but otherwise I think my vote will stay on T9 just in case they are trying to pull the flip. Like honestly I just don't see how one is /likely/ to magically think up this conspiracy theory unless they were mafia.
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In any case, that vote switch got it's money's worth out of the discussions. =)
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I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know.
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I voiced my opinions on L earlier, and Ace just reinforced them. L, either step up your play and step down the random accusations, or you's in big trouble mister.
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Radfield
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A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses.
Really? I guess that means I'm a mafia buddy with team 9 too. That's why I made several large posts about why I thought they were mafia, and why I think we should lynch them, when prior to that they had no pressure whatsoever.
Anyways, Korynne clearly stated why she vote switched. If I had been around I probably would have said not to bother, mostly because I would have rather Chez switched to Team 9 and lynched them. You'll notice I read Team 2 as fairly town(although that is a standard mafia ploy).
Anyways, I was all ready to make a big post, but it seems like things have settled down a bit. At the very least Korynne, we probably won't die tonight since you've cast some suspicion on us
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ok question to all the experienced players:
is it now time for me to claim I was "just fishing" to see who would jump on with my ridiculous scheme and now start pointing fingers at L?
Hope you all are happy that I started talking
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On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know.
Reading through this it does sound convincing.
L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself.
BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
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Uh, that's an awfully elaborate scheme to make up for "just fishing." Not to mention mafia can do a bit screw up and then say, oh, just fishing.
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Why is it so hard for a townee to come out with a theory when people have been hounding him to post something for being inactive. It's an attempt at analyses and i think it did a pretty good job of achieving its means. ie getting people to post more who havent posted alot yet.
Gonna be coming up with my own theories after some post analysis, i hope i get called red for that as well. Lowest level tactic in the ol' mindset
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Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
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Radfield
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On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread.
However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred.
If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it.
Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post.
If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9).
So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green.
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On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
That's what we get for removing BM and Chez
Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people
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On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
On June 25 2010 09:37 Radfield wrote:That's what we get for removing BM and Chez Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people
For my part I'm awaiting daybreak. I'm not sure how much can be gained by talking at night unless there's a lot of sudden info to be digested. The Korynne instigated discussion was fine, I just figure talking about new suspicions could help mafia choose their kill to manipulate my intentions. I'd rather deny this of them.
I had used the night phases of XXVI to go fishing since 1) it was a noob game, 2) I was pardoner, 3) PMs were allowed, and 4) I was having a hard time getting certain people to talk. I'm not so sure night phase talk is as useful here - assuming people are sufficiently active during the day that we can come to reasonable conclusions.
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On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green.
I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision.
Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
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On June 25 2010 09:55 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on. Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:37 Radfield wrote:That's what we get for removing BM and Chez Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people For my part I'm awaiting daybreak. I'm not sure how much can be gained by talking at night unless there's a lot of sudden info to be digested. The Korynne instigated discussion was fine, I just figure talking about new suspicions could help mafia choose their kill to manipulate my intentions. I'd rather deny this of them. I had used the night phases of XXVI to go fishing since 1) it was a noob game, 2) I was pardoner, 3) PMs were allowed, and 4) I was having a hard time getting certain people to talk. I'm not so sure night phase talk is as useful here - assuming people are sufficiently active during the day that we can come to reasonable conclusions.
I'm used to dying in the night, which means it's important to get my thoughts in while I can
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Radfield
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On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green. I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
Surely in the interest of hunting scum there should be more to it than that. Yes, if you're confident scum will not be found on Day One then voting off those players who are difficult to read and always seem scummy is a good choice. But I think players who play that way should get their own special category. Yes they always play scummy so they should get consideration for my day 1 vote, but mostly I should ignore them and concentrate on the other players. Using those players who always seem scummy/ridiculous as a fallback.
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On June 25 2010 09:56 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:55 YellowInk wrote:On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on. On June 25 2010 09:37 Radfield wrote:That's what we get for removing BM and Chez Funny that you enjoy smaller games because there are less people to analyze, and yet you've gone and created a 'small' game with a ton of people For my part I'm awaiting daybreak. I'm not sure how much can be gained by talking at night unless there's a lot of sudden info to be digested. The Korynne instigated discussion was fine, I just figure talking about new suspicions could help mafia choose their kill to manipulate my intentions. I'd rather deny this of them. I had used the night phases of XXVI to go fishing since 1) it was a noob game, 2) I was pardoner, 3) PMs were allowed, and 4) I was having a hard time getting certain people to talk. I'm not so sure night phase talk is as useful here - assuming people are sufficiently active during the day that we can come to reasonable conclusions. I'm used to dying in the night, which means it's important to get my thoughts in while I can
Haha, so I've heard. While that's fair, I've already talked about my opinions of the major implications of BM flipping green vs red during the day and that hasn't changed. Any conclusions I might draw from the evening banter is just as much speculation as the next guy's. I suppose if something really big came out at night it might be worth commenting on, but there's really not much of a reason FOR anything big to happen at night.
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On June 25 2010 10:02 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green. I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. Surely in the interest of hunting scum there should be more to it than that. Yes, if you're confident scum will not be found on Day One then voting off those players who are difficult to read and always seem scummy is a good choice. But I think players who play that way should get their own special category. Yes they always play scummy so they should get consideration for my day 1 vote, but mostly I should ignore them and concentrate on the other players. Using those players who always seem scummy/ridiculous as a fallback.
Not at all. Players that always play scummy usually always end up getting killed. Remember the goal of the game is to find scum: In the absence of overwhelming evidence against another team the scummiest players get lynched.
But don't think I ignored every other player in the game so far. Just because I don't say anything about other players doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Better to solve 1 piece of the puzzle at a time.
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I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah.
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On June 25 2010 09:21 Korynne wrote:
Wow this thread died... can we get some people to do analysis? Me and Radfield both did a couple already... but I'll do more later on.
Honestly, I don't have that much to say right now. I'm waiting to see what the result of the night actions are before making any decisions/posts.
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Not at all. Players that always play scummy usually always end up getting killed. Remember the goal of the game is to find scum: In the absence of overwhelming evidence against another team the scummiest players get lynched.
Agreed. I guess what I'm trying to say is that going into this game, many of us knew that the BM/Chez team would probably look scummy on day 1(spam, accusations, etc). So knowing that, there's less of a reason for focusing on them or worrying about them. They might still be deserving of a vote, but aren't necessarily deserving of my scum searching time.
But don't think I ignored every other player in the game so far. Just because I don't say anything about other players doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Better to solve 1 piece of the puzzle at a time.
Yeah I wasn't really commenting on your play, more just commenting on general strategy.
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Radfield
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On June 25 2010 10:21 flamewheel wrote:
I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah.
shucks, I was hoping to stay up for the Day Post, but I guess I'll just head to bed.
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On June 25 2010 10:36 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 10:21 flamewheel wrote:
I may be back slightly late; haircut mlah. shucks, I was hoping to stay up for the Day Post, but I guess I'll just head to bed.
Nah actually it'll be fine now. Haircut delayed.
mzzzzzzzz
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Day 2:
Korynne and Radfield were walking about in the forest, the same repetitive galloping track playing from that movie, Holy Grail, reverberating in the air. After riding past the same set of trees fifteen times to emphasize distance traveled, the pair came to a bridge guarded by a knight wearing all black. Unfortunately, the Knight would not let them pass, and neither Korynne nor Radfield would be able to defeat the Black Knight in combat, so they attempted to look for an alternative.
Really though, that ditch is like five feet deep at most…
But of course that’s not how good (and bad) plot lines work out, so Korynne and Radfield spent the next few hours searching for some way to cross. Then along comes King Arthur, and he defeats the Black Knight, cutting off all four of the Knight’s limbs. He then proceeds to gallop away while Patsy, his servant, follows behind clapping the coconuts together.
Korynne and Radfield then try to pass, thinking that a limbless Knight should not be able to stop them. However, impossibly the Knight gets his own helmet off and savagely bites Korynne and Radfield to death.
Team 1 (Korynne and Radfield) is now dead.
I would insert a comment about Radfield dying Night 1 again, but I’m too lazy to hit backspace now.
It is now Day 2. You know the drill—post, vote, and don’t get modkilled. You have 48 hours.
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Poor radfield and korynne
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Radfield
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Sorry Korynne.... should've found a more durable partner...
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Aww com'on! I've been cursed with the Radfield! xD
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Posting to show that I am here, going to take a bath first (after like 4 hours of basketball D before reading through the thread and posting
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The situation now is that we have 2 mafia and 5 townies. If we mess up, it'll be 2v4 and then 2v3 before we can choose the next lynch. I feel like today's a VERY important day unless we get a hero save from a medic (50% chance of a medic even existing) or a DT catches a red (50% chance of this also). Worst case would be this set up:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies
Where town doesn't really have much more room for error.
These are just the thoughts that jumped out at me when team 1 flipped green
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So all for throwing random accusations out there but doesnt this make it really likely that either ace or L are red now, sicne they're just known as good, active players and obv the mob would want to take them out first instead of radfield?
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id just like to know what others think since they seem good enough they could seem almost not scummy at all, and ill still attempt a post analysis at them anyways
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On June 25 2010 06:13 Radfield wrote:Anyways, I was all ready to make a big post, but it seems like things have settled down a bit. At the very least Korynne, we probably won't die tonight since you've cast some suspicion on us
lol
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+ Show Spoiler +Hum.. wondering why the mafia killed Radfield's team, unless they did it because he was Radfield. Almost makes me think we don't have a medic because that's such an obvious person to protect =P. Going through his posts, let's see who he points fingers at / sides with: Radfield+ Show Spoiler +--by post number-- 163: calls out 6-9 for 'laying low'. 314: Team 6 - Caller for being inactive, L for creating confusion. (Reads Team 2 as town) 392: Direct analysis of one of DCLXVI's posts, says it screams mafia. Link. Mostly calling them out for inactivity, but also for poor posting. 395: Analysis of Divinek, points out that Divinek has mostly been riding the opinions/words of others. noncommital, etc. 397: Analysis of DCLXVI, says the same things essentially, calls their playing style mafia-like. 398: Analysis of MooCow, same result. Calls to lynch them/calls for thoughts on Team 9. 426: calls for more looking at Team 9. 447: Analysis of bumatlarge, says he has a few decent posts, but otherwise spams a lot. Doesn't get a huge scum vibe from him however. 459: Points out L and Caller's inactivity again. 506: Okay with either lynches (Team 2, or Team 9). Says he reads red on Team 9, but is okay with letting them live for another day. 618: Says some of Ace's posts are scummy, ie. his push for Team 2. Also thinks that L is scummy however (near the top of his suspect list). : Radfield points the finger almost exclusively at Teams 6 and 9... Before his death, he still though L was scummy. The question is, how much of this is Radfield reading poorly, and how of it is accurate? We at least know his thoughts are sincere and pro-town. So keep this in mind I guess. Random Thought: After looking through his posts again, I realize that Radfield (and probably Korynne although I haven't gone through her posts) were decent posts -> good hit for mafia. Add that to the 'entertainment value' for this game, and it makes it the perfect hit?
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10/10 for hilariously poor logic during these past two pages.
I'll post a bit more when I get back from work tomorrow or maybe in the morning, but a few statements on the last two pages should be setting off people's scumdars like crazy.
Until then, mes amis.
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On June 25 2010 11:50 Divinek wrote:
So all for throwing random accusations out there but doesnt this make it really likely that either ace or L are red now, sicne they're just known as good, active players and obv the mob would want to take them out first instead of radfield?
It seems logical that the mob would want to take out the good players. Well, unless the good players are helping them by drawing attention away from the mafia. However, aren't a lot of the people who are still alive regular mafia players?
I checked the player list from some other games. From the Harry Potter mafia: stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, YellowInk, DCLXVI, and LaXerCannon. From TL Mafia XXVII: Radfield, meeple, L, and johnnyspazz. From TL Mafia XXVI: Zyrre, bumatlarge, YellowInk, DCLXVI, LaXerCannon, BrownBear, and DarthThienAn.
I don't know who was considered good but the list covers everyone except me, you, Ace, and Nikon. Since we're all on different teams, every team has an experienced player. Therefore, experience doesn't seem to be a determining factor.
I can think of a few other possibilites why the mob might not want to kill Ace and L. It's possible that the mob is leaving them alive because they're accusing eachother. It's also possible that they're both mafia: creating confusion by arguing, not killing eachother, etc. The last possibility I can think of is that Ace or L is mafia and is figuring that we will lynch the other, or that they'll murder them later as it would be too suspicious now.
On June 25 2010 12:26 DarthThienAn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hum.. wondering why the mafia killed Radfield's team, unless they did it because he was Radfield. Almost makes me think we don't have a medic because that's such an obvious person to protect =P. Going through his posts, let's see who he points fingers at / sides with: Radfield+ Show Spoiler +--by post number-- 163: calls out 6-9 for 'laying low'. 314: Team 6 - Caller for being inactive, L for creating confusion. (Reads Team 2 as town) 392: Direct analysis of one of DCLXVI's posts, says it screams mafia. Link. Mostly calling them out for inactivity, but also for poor posting. 395: Analysis of Divinek, points out that Divinek has mostly been riding the opinions/words of others. noncommital, etc. 397: Analysis of DCLXVI, says the same things essentially, calls their playing style mafia-like. 398: Analysis of MooCow, same result. Calls to lynch them/calls for thoughts on Team 9. 426: calls for more looking at Team 9. 447: Analysis of bumatlarge, says he has a few decent posts, but otherwise spams a lot. Doesn't get a huge scum vibe from him however. 459: Points out L and Caller's inactivity again. 506: Okay with either lynches (Team 2, or Team 9). Says he reads red on Team 9, but is okay with letting them live for another day. 618: Says some of Ace's posts are scummy, ie. his push for Team 2. Also thinks that L is scummy however (near the top of his suspect list). : Radfield points the finger almost exclusively at Teams 6 and 9... Before his death, he still though L was scummy. The question is, how much of this is Radfield reading poorly, and how of it is accurate? We at least know his thoughts are sincere and pro-town. So keep this in mind I guess. Random Thought: After looking through his posts again, I realize that Radfield (and probably Korynne although I haven't gone through her posts) were decent posts -> good hit for mafia. Add that to the 'entertainment value' for this game, and it makes it the perfect hit?
You're on Ace's team so obviously you would downplay Radfield's post (618) putting Ace in a bad spot. Your summary that "Radfield points the finger almost exclusively at Teams 6 and 9" seems to be contrary to Radfield's most recent posts about Ace. Sure, he conceded a few things right before night fell, but I still think he was suspicious.
On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it.
If the rest of my reasoning is true, this might not be too far fetched. To bring it back to Divinek's post, I think this could be why Radfield was murdered. This might be superficial reasoning but it seems relevant (right before day and his death) and it could be unexpected from Ace if everyone else is assuming he's some super-deep thinking pro.
+ Show Spoiler [Post Script] +It's pretty late and I'm getting tired. I was looking at the word "deep" after I typed it and I wasn't sure if I misspelled it or something. I googled deep to check the spelling. Hilariously, a couple of the front page results are "Deep Throat (1972") and "How To Deep Throat WIthout Gagging"
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The word 'almost' is there for a reason. And a "summary" isn't supposed to include everything. Notice that I didn't emphasize anything about bumatlarge or any of the generally inactive teams in my summary. Radfield talked about them, too.
If I had wanted to downplay Radfield's read on Ace, I could've just as easily deleted that from my analysis. I kinda assume that people read my posts in full and therefore would be able to remember that fact. But if I call you scummy in one post and someone else scummy in five posts, which one should I focus on?
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I've got a strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia. It might not seem like team 4 has done much to warrant it, but I know first hand darth can act completely pro-town, especially in a game with no clues. I'm sure Ace has the ability to play right along side that style of play. Id think L only because hes been so negative in this thread and has acted generally underwhelmed by most everyone's play. But Im not too scared of the prospect of L being mafia. I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today.
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed.
It's a shame I haven't gotten to witness Darth as townie, so I could give him more leniency for his style, but this doesn't seem radically different from his previous game.
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On June 25 2010 13:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I've got a strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia. It might not seem like team 4 has done much to warrant it, but I know first hand darth can act completely pro-town, especially in a game with no clues. I'm sure Ace has the ability to play right along side that style of play. Id think L only because hes been so negative in this thread and has acted generally underwhelmed by most everyone's play. But Im not too scared of the prospect of L being mafia. I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today.
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed.
It's a shame I haven't gotten to witness Darth as townie, so I could give him more leniency for his style, but this doesn't seem radically different from his previous game.
Thanks for the compliment...
But your logic doesn't really make sense. You think I'm pro-town, therefore I must be mafia. What would happen if I seemed like mafia to you? It's an impossible situation for me, which means there's a problem somewhere. Seriously, think about it. If I always seem pro-town, then it's not an aspect of my play you can call me scummy for. I don't think it's bad that the town thought I was pro-town last game, and I don't think it's bad if I come across as pro-town to you this game. That's supposed to say "OK, he's less of a suspect, who looks more suspicious?" If I actually have that good of a playing style (which I doubt), then you can't base my scumminess on that, because it's always the same - therefore, it doesn't indicate my role toward either alignment. And to lynch players because they are 'good' players and might be mafia is just silly, and encourages bad play. Furthermore, if you lynch all the good players, bad players will be left over, and the town will most likely lose because they are bad.
If you're going to base this on our last game, I could say the same about you. Your posts seem pretty much the same to me, and I've commented on what I think about them. But I don't call you scummy because of your playing style and I don't consider your previous game style too much. When I call some of your posts scummy, it's because most of your posts aren't that great -> spam -> bad for the thread -> ~scummy. But you've had decent posts too, which is why I didn't push harder for your lynch and think you could easily be town.
Anyway. Where do you get your "strong feeling" that either me/Ace or L is mafia? Show me proof. What doesn't match up? Just because I, or Ace, or L have the ability to appear pro-town while being mafia, does not make us mafia. "I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today." People said that last game too about me being mafia mayor. Town still won. Granted we sorta gave up after the DT checks came in, but having a good player as mafia != autolose for town.
Who's in agreement with your line of thought? Maybe L, because he and Ace are still catfighting + because he was vague about who had "terrible posts" in the last couple pages. Maybe Durak even though his point about me in that last post isn't really valid. Maybe Divinek? All he's done is cry about me voting for him to get his team posting more, which ended up happening, more because of Radfield though I guess.
Your 'taking a risk' by voting for me isn't a risk at all either. Because you preface your vote with that paragraph, your voting first absolutely nothing about you, because it can be taken either way.
"I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players" This sentence is all fluff, for example.
Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be?
See you all in ~24 hours. I expect Ace to reinforce why your logic doesn't really hold if he needs to.
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On June 25 2010 14:20 DarthThienAn wrote:
And to lynch players because they are 'good' players and might be mafia is just silly, and encourages bad play.
i think the line of reasoning is more like, yes they are 'good' players. They certainly have shown more depth and perception than anyone thus far, and are obviously known and experienced at this game. So why would the mafia not choose one of them to be lynched?
It might not be a, lets lynch them! kind of thing, but what good reason can you come up with to answer that question.
I mean i may lack enough experience playing with you guys but if i was red i certainly would have gotten one of those two teams.
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On June 25 2010 14:20 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 13:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I've got a strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia. It might not seem like team 4 has done much to warrant it, but I know first hand darth can act completely pro-town, especially in a game with no clues. I'm sure Ace has the ability to play right along side that style of play. Id think L only because hes been so negative in this thread and has acted generally underwhelmed by most everyone's play. But Im not too scared of the prospect of L being mafia. I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today.
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed.
It's a shame I haven't gotten to witness Darth as townie, so I could give him more leniency for his style, but this doesn't seem radically different from his previous game. Thanks for the compliment... But your logic doesn't really make sense. You think I'm pro-town, therefore I must be mafia. What would happen if I seemed like mafia to you? It's an impossible situation for me, which means there's a problem somewhere. Seriously, think about it. If I always seem pro-town, then it's not an aspect of my play you can call me scummy for. I don't think it's bad that the town thought I was pro-town last game, and I don't think it's bad if I come across as pro-town to you this game. That's supposed to say "OK, he's less of a suspect, who looks more suspicious?" If I actually have that good of a playing style (which I doubt), then you can't base my scumminess on that, because it's always the same - therefore, it doesn't indicate my role toward either alignment. And to lynch players because they are 'good' players and might be mafia is just silly, and encourages bad play. Furthermore, if you lynch all the good players, bad players will be left over, and the town will most likely lose because they are bad. If you're going to base this on our last game, I could say the same about you. Your posts seem pretty much the same to me, and I've commented on what I think about them. But I don't call you scummy because of your playing style and I don't consider your previous game style too much. When I call some of your posts scummy, it's because most of your posts aren't that great -> spam -> bad for the thread -> ~scummy. But you've had decent posts too, which is why I didn't push harder for your lynch and think you could easily be town. Anyway. Where do you get your "strong feeling" that either me/Ace or L is mafia? Show me proof. What doesn't match up? Just because I, or Ace, or L have the ability to appear pro-town while being mafia, does not make us mafia. "I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today." People said that last game too about me being mafia mayor. Town still won. Granted we sorta gave up after the DT checks came in, but having a good player as mafia != autolose for town. Who's in agreement with your line of thought? Maybe L, because he and Ace are still catfighting + because he was vague about who had "terrible posts" in the last couple pages. Maybe Durak even though his point about me in that last post isn't really valid. Maybe Divinek? All he's done is cry about me voting for him to get his team posting more, which ended up happening, more because of Radfield though I guess. Your 'taking a risk' by voting for me isn't a risk at all either. Because you preface your vote with that paragraph, your voting first absolutely nothing about you, because it can be taken either way. "I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players" This sentence is all fluff, for example. Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be? See you all in ~24 hours. I expect Ace to reinforce why your logic doesn't really hold if he needs to.
"Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be?"
Because that's not how you play mafia from what I've gathered. I have to be honest, I think this is the worst I've played a game of mafia ever, with genuinely incoherent ideas and roundabout logic that doesn't go anywhere. I've been desperate and nonchalant and ultimately ignorant of what I should do as a townie. I've pissed on the serious gameplay along with BM and chez, and I got well deserved dirt for it. I havent put all the effort I could have into my posts, and I still feel like I make all sorts of errors. But this game isn't about how well you construct your posts and your helpfulness, it's about getting rid of scum.
I've read everyone of the posts you have made in this and the previous game. Your a great player and know how the game works and what "should" be done. That's why when that red role lands on you again, your forced to have this set way of going about it. That's what alot of the veterans have done also. I can't read people for shit. I could barely do it in the game where I was mafia. I've tried here, but I just can't be ignorant that people are capable of making concrete townie analysis in a game with no real evidence. Except when people start dying.
I doubt anyone appreciated BM and chez, because it's not something you should condone. But very good players hate it most of all, because they arent allowed to play the game "properly" when that element of randomness is pressured on to an already random-ish guessing game. So it's preferable for the town to feel a need to get rid of them, avoid resorting to finger-pointing, one free--nighttime. But I could throw this on anyone.
Killing team 1 is another thing. Why arent you dead? The general consensus is that you are the strongest team player and analysis wise. You haven't thrown anyone under the wheels, except for maybe Ace on L but I will get to that. From a purely red PoV without any deep thought, I'd kill you in a heart beat. Team 1 arent some nobody team, they posted clear and logical posts without being overly committed to the game. Text-book vanilla right there. Text-book night hit right there. But they did suggest being suspicious of you, so you'd assume you could get away with that suspicion because that is outweighed by how towny you are. I feel you got sloppy, thought maybe all these "lower-tier players" wouldn't really have the gall to accuse you guys of something. Of course you'd never call them bad players, right? Just unfamiliar and accepting of criticisms. Criticism means brownie points in your book. +1 townieness.
Maybe Im getting into gross miscalculations here? But Im not going to ask team 4 to correct me in that matter, Im going to ask the rest of the town. Maybe L is very clever like people suggest. Ace seemed to be against him from the start, which I completely understand from both red and green sides. I was really appalled at caller for that modkill, as I expected them to be your rival team in terms of decent players. But that screams strategic modkill in my book, if L's team is scum. Flamewheel said it was a valid modkill on inactivity, and caller said he had a strategy going into this game involving being inactive or something, so I think it's safe to assume L had nothing to do with it. So from L being mafia viewpoint; team 2 was the same thing, free nighttime. I'd only hit team 1 if I was really afraid of a medic on you, or the things Ace had said were to direct. He plays a complicated game when it comes to posting, so I can only assume he's just as complicated with his self-interest in the hard facts of the game.
So I want L to address it, with no condescending remarks on a person's reasoning and then dismissing them illogical. Because to me, that's bullshit.
I hope the town steps it up, and lynches either Team 4 or L. Or then you can lynch me. And I'm going to keep saying that "fluff" because I'd almost like everyone to realize I was completely frank and open about it, as much as town winning the game. It's a nice feeling when town sees your legitimate, one of the boons of being vanilla.
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On June 25 2010 03:38 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 02:04 bumatlarge wrote:
L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out.
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence. No. The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9. A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses. Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend. The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target. What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo. What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green?
This for instance strikes me as a way L's demeanor helps him. I would never make this kind of post on a team I was about to kill. But again maybe L has some convoluted scheme revolving around he knew what he was doing then, planned on killing korynne, and then assuming someone would pick up it later, and take it as a evidence of him not being scum.
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On June 25 2010 15:33 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 03:38 L wrote:On June 25 2010 02:04 bumatlarge wrote:
L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out.
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence. No. The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9. A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses. Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend. The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target. What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo. What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green? This for instance strikes me as a way L's demeanor helps him. I would never make this kind of post on a team I was about to kill. But again maybe L has some convoluted scheme revolving around he knew what he was doing then, planned on killing korynne, and then assuming someone would pick up it later, and take it as a evidence of him not being scum.
Hard as it is to believe, this actually makes me less suspicious of L. In a mafia game, it's not very common for scum to kill people they are arguing with, as that can cast suspicion on them, and L, despite his playstyle I don't agree with, has to know this. Especially since he's acting alone at this point, it can't have been his teammate(s) being dumb, so it's difficult to continue pointing FOS at him. He's not cleared in my book, but he definitely looks a bit less suspicious.
Let's look at other teams:
Team 1: dead :'(
Team 2: dead ><
Team 3: bumatlarge has produced some diamonds of quality and a small ocean of spam. LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. bum is having a fatty argument with L right now, which could be something to look at.
Team 4: I'm a bit confused as to why they didn't die either. Maybe mafia is concerned there might be a medic in the game, and tried to hit someone they thought a less likely target? Probably not true, considering Radfield is the most likely target in the game, so if medic exists he's dumb. Either way, back to them: pro-town, most people seem to think so, I agree, moving on.
Team 5: The "new" team (Yellow's second game, Durak's first), but they've proven themselves to be pretty talented so far. Some solid analysis coming out of Durak, a couple holes in their logic as a whole but nothing particularly scummy. Again, they've had a little spat with L (both of them, not just one element of their team), so that might be worth checking into.
Team 6: L is annoying, but as I said above, I'm less suspicious of him following night 1. I'm still keeping an eye on him.
Team 7: Still waaaaay too inactive. I don't want to lynch an inactive just for inactivity though. Here's hoping they post more.
Team 8: Someone else gotta do the analysis here
Team 9: Here's the team I'm now a little concerned about. Divinek had a LOT of posts day 1, but very little content to them, and it looked more like he was trying to establish himself as an active player, WITHOUT actually adding anything to the town discussion. That's disturbing to me. DCLXVI I have barely seen at all, except for a few posts targeting Korynne... He wanted her lynched, and she wanted him lynched. Now she is dead. Unlike L, I don't think Team 9 would have the experience to hold back on killing someone they'd had a public argument in the thread with...
It's a little shaky, but I think Team 9 looks the most suspicious to me right now.
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I'm going to be away from my computer for probably the next 60 hours, so I gave Korynne her game back. Send stuff to her for the time being!
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On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
Team 9: Here's the team I'm now a little concerned about. Divinek had a LOT of posts day 1, but very little content to them, and it looked more like he was trying to establish himself as an active player, WITHOUT actually adding anything to the town discussion. That's disturbing to me. DCLXVI I have barely seen at all, except for a few posts targeting Korynne... He wanted her lynched, and she wanted him lynched. Now she is dead. Unlike L, I don't think Team 9 would have the experience to hold back on killing someone they'd had a public argument in the thread with...
It's a little shaky, but I think Team 9 looks the most suspicious to me right now.
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
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That's right people, I'm back from the dead! (without my cursed other half xP) Modding the game for flamewheel (who was modding the game for me xP). =]
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I'LL BITE YER LEGS OFF LOL
noice day 2 post
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On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.
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Ugh, this is really slim pickings to work with. 12 posts with any content (some not much) in 16 hours. Well, I guess that gives us a reason to lay on some pressure.
People who have said something of note (currently making no judgement about whether their content makes them look good or baD): Durak, bumatlarge, DarthThienAn, Divinek, BrownBear, DCLXVI, and maybe half credit to Nikon since despite being a oneliner showed some alignment with a kind of thinking.
This means we need to hear from LaXerCannon, Ace, L, more from Nikon, Zyrre, meeple, stormtemplar, and johnnyspazz.
My vote is going to team 7 for resumed inactivity. This posting pattern alone is scummy. When they return to active status, I will definitely still count this as a mark against them. However, as with day 1, I expect that they will at least come forward to defend themselves and we can judge them on their merits.
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On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.
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Now for what I'm actually thinking about.
I'm still not a big fan of what Team 3 has had to say. I still think there's a good chance this is a read team due to their passive push behind BM's attacks on me. I don't feel that either Bum or LaXer's commentary have been significantly beneficial to the town. I think that even Team 7's limited/defensive posting yesterday gave us better direction and information than Team 3.
Going by voting records, Team 9 looks the worst to me. While some people have carried on the torch of 'Team 9 still looks kinda scummy', consider that Team 1 and Team 2 were both voting against Team 9. Now they're dead. Granted, this is soft evidence, mafia could have done this just to make us look harder at lynching 9.
With L being a single player team, he's almost just as effective if he's mafia and less effective if he's town. It's also going to be harder to pull scum tells out of this 'team' since there is only one player talking. For my part, I want to hear L talking more than the average player to make up for this.
I know he's at work right now, but I wasn't impressed with his (lack of) posting at the end of day 1. Per the schedule he had posted and his posting patterns halfway through day 1, I had expected activity from him at the end of day 1 in the couple hours before the close of the day. Especially so since there was such a balance between 3 teams that anyone could easily sway the results of the vote!
I'd like to note here that in my conversation with Radfield about talking at night, this would be an example of one of the more subtle thigns I chose not to talk about at night. If I had brought up L's partial inactivity at the critical time, the mafia might have chosen to leave L alive specifically because they knew I wanted him hounded for an answer and there are other people who already suspect him for various reasons.
I'm not saying any of this makes L red, it's just another piece of evidence to look at. I want to hear L's explanations.
All of this is soft evidence so I'm not pointing fingers about any of it yet. Lets hear what these teams have to say.
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minor ebwop if the meanings weren't clear + Show Spoiler + Second paragraph should read as:
I'm still not a big fan of what Team 3 has had to say. I still think there's a good chance this is a red team due to the passive push behind BM's attacks on me. I don't feel that either Bum or LaXer's commentary have been significantly beneficial to the town. I think that even Team 7's limited/defensive posting yesterday gave us better direction and information than Team 3.
their=>the LaXer was not directly supporting the passive attack on me, though I am not impressed with LaXer's posts. read => red typo
Hit post without pasting in the final proofread draft, blech
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On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
Team 9: Here's the team I'm now a little concerned about. Divinek had a LOT of posts day 1, but very little content to them, and it looked more like he was trying to establish himself as an active player, WITHOUT actually adding anything to the town discussion. That's disturbing to me. DCLXVI I have barely seen at all, except for a few posts targeting Korynne... He wanted her lynched, and she wanted him lynched. Now she is dead. Unlike L, I don't think Team 9 would have the experience to hold back on killing someone they'd had a public argument in the thread with...
It's a little shaky, but I think Team 9 looks the most suspicious to me right now.
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that... If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed. I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Well, that's the thing: Ive played with L before, and I know he knows how stuff like this works. I haven't really played with either of you ever, so I have no clue if you would know whether that's an obvious scumtell or not. It's pretty soft evidence, thats why I didn't outright accuse you: I'm just saying that your voting pattern, posting patterns, and the game events make you somewhat suspicious. Not scummy, just suspicious.
As for your logic behind the Team 4 vs L thing... The thing is, both L and Team 4 had arguments with Team 2... and I'm reasonably sure L is smart enough to not ragekill them, and I know for sure that Ace and DTA are smart enough to not ragekill them. Thus, I'm not really looking at those arguments as saying anything, other than Team 4 and Team L look less suspicious. That said, DTA is a masterful player, and can easily appear clean when he isn't. This doesn't mean I'm accusing him at all ( <3 you DTA :3 ) but I am watching him closer than I would a newbie.
(what, me, sore about last game? Nevar! :D)
I still think you and Divinek need to step up and look less suspicious, though. There is not much to go on for this day, so even appearing suspicious can be deadly.
And Team 7 needs to step the fuck up, seriously.
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I hear what you're saying yellow, and expected it ( in a good way). I agree on alot of what you say, but I personally have been a bit more of a town vibe from T9 based on posting. Most of the inactive teams are still too vague to judge by votes.
Inactivity is still a problem and probably will be through the game, but any thoughts on team 4? Im sure you have some opinions of darth after the other game. He seems to state that his posting wold be exactly the same whether hes mafia or town. I know you were in pm contact for a bit and trusted what he had said for the most part. Your word would outclass mine in this regard. I know yo generally feel that game was a bit nooby, but I doubt you let that distrupt your messages to darth.
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On June 26 2010 05:11 bumatlarge wrote:
I hear what you're saying yellow, and expected it ( in a good way). I agree on alot of what you say, but I personally have been a bit more of a town vibe from T9 based on posting. Most of the inactive teams are still too vague to judge by votes.
Inactivity is still a problem and probably will be through the game, but any thoughts on team 4? Im sure you have some opinions of darth after the other game. He seems to state that his posting wold be exactly the same whether hes mafia or town. I know you were in pm contact for a bit and trusted what he had said for the most part. Your word would outclass mine in this regard. I know yo generally feel that game was a bit nooby, but I doubt you let that distrupt your messages to darth.
We can't say "OMG Darth looks pro town he must be scum" because there's a 5 in 7 chance that he actually IS town, and is trying to post helpful, pro-town stuff. We can watch him, but remember - past games have absolutely no bearing on the present game. Playstyles continue, teams do not.
Like I said just above - I'm watching Darth closely, because it's true, he's incredibly good at playing scum. But we have to stop short from outright accusing DTA until we actually have evidence to go on.
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[QUOTE]On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. /QUOTE]
Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...
[QUOTE]On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.[/QUOTE]
Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.
Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.
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Preview, man, preview! Use it!
Also, LaXer has been dropping off in quality since I posted that. At the time I posted, he'd been a little better at actually using his posts for something. Hopefully he'll step it back up, otherwise I'll have to take a second look at him.
And 1 and 2? What? I am confused. It's really difficult to read your post.
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On June 26 2010 03:40 YellowInk wrote:
Ugh, this is really slim pickings to work with. 12 posts with any content (some not much) in 16 hours. Well, I guess that gives us a reason to lay on some pressure.
People who have said something of note (currently making no judgement about whether their content makes them look good or baD): Durak, bumatlarge, DarthThienAn, Divinek, BrownBear, DCLXVI, and maybe half credit to Nikon since despite being a oneliner showed some alignment with a kind of thinking.
This means we need to hear from LaXerCannon, Ace, L, more from Nikon, Zyrre, meeple, stormtemplar, and johnnyspazz.
My vote is going to team 7 for resumed inactivity. This posting pattern alone is scummy. When they return to active status, I will definitely still count this as a mark against them. However, as with day 1, I expect that they will at least come forward to defend themselves and we can judge them on their merits.
I know I haven't posted much, I just like to read and respond to others thoughts more. And midsummer is a big holiday in sweden so I've been afk a lot. I do understand however that that behaviour makes it too easy for mafia to just tag along.
I'll analyze darth's posts before I go to sleep since I got to see his mafia style in the previous game until the end.
On June 26 2010 04:03 YellowInk wrote:
Now for what I'm actually thinking about.
I'm still not a big fan of what Team 3 has had to say. I still think there's a good chance this is a read team due to their passive push behind BM's attacks on me. I don't feel that either Bum or LaXer's commentary have been significantly beneficial to the town. I think that even Team 7's limited/defensive posting yesterday gave us better direction and information than Team 3.
Going by voting records, Team 9 looks the worst to me. While some people have carried on the torch of 'Team 9 still looks kinda scummy', consider that Team 1 and Team 2 were both voting against Team 9. Now they're dead. Granted, this is soft evidence, mafia could have done this just to make us look harder at lynching 9.
With L being a single player team, he's almost just as effective if he's mafia and less effective if he's town. It's also going to be harder to pull scum tells out of this 'team' since there is only one player talking. For my part, I want to hear L talking more than the average player to make up for this.
I know he's at work right now, but I wasn't impressed with his (lack of) posting at the end of day 1. Per the schedule he had posted and his posting patterns halfway through day 1, I had expected activity from him at the end of day 1 in the couple hours before the close of the day. Especially so since there was such a balance between 3 teams that anyone could easily sway the results of the vote!
I'd like to note here that in my conversation with Radfield about talking at night, this would be an example of one of the more subtle thigns I chose not to talk about at night. If I had brought up L's partial inactivity at the critical time, the mafia might have chosen to leave L alive specifically because they knew I wanted him hounded for an answer and there are other people who already suspect him for various reasons.
I'm not saying any of this makes L red, it's just another piece of evidence to look at. I want to hear L's explanations.
All of this is soft evidence so I'm not pointing fingers about any of it yet. Lets hear what these teams have to say.
The part about L is certainly true. But as I mentioned in my previous post he is also an easier target for the mafia to use as distraction. I'm not familiar with his playing style, so I don't know if he usually posts like that or not.
Another reason why I will analyze darth(he is teamed with Ace who has been leading the charge on L).
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I don't think it's fair to claim that my team being alive means were scum. There's a lot of WIFOM in that assumption and no one knows for sure why T1 was popped except scum. Instead of trying to attribute the possibility or us being scum to our survival maybe you should realize if we're that good there's a chance the people doing the hits were scared of medic prots.
Lastly bumatlarge I don't know where this came from:
I've got a strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia. It might not seem like team 4 has done much to warrant it, but I know first hand darth can act completely pro-town, especially in a game with no clues. I'm sure Ace has the ability to play right along side that style of play. Id think L only because hes been so negative in this thread and has acted generally underwhelmed by most everyone's play. But Im not too scared of the prospect of L being mafia. I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today.
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed.
Who are these people? So far the only person who has made more than a passing remark that we may be scum is L. No one else has so how did you even come to that conclusion?
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oh and yes my vote is still going to L.
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On June 26 2010 04:03 YellowInk wrote:
Now for what I'm actually thinking about.
I'm still not a big fan of what Team 3 has had to say. I still think there's a good chance this is a read team due to their passive push behind BM's attacks on me. I don't feel that either Bum or LaXer's commentary have been significantly beneficial to the town. I think that even Team 7's limited/defensive posting yesterday gave us better direction and information than Team 3.
Going by voting records, Team 9 looks the worst to me. While some people have carried on the torch of 'Team 9 still looks kinda scummy', consider that Team 1 and Team 2 were both voting against Team 9. Now they're dead. Granted, this is soft evidence, mafia could have done this just to make us look harder at lynching 9.
With L being a single player team, he's almost just as effective if he's mafia and less effective if he's town. It's also going to be harder to pull scum tells out of this 'team' since there is only one player talking. For my part, I want to hear L talking more than the average player to make up for this.
I know he's at work right now, but I wasn't impressed with his (lack of) posting at the end of day 1. Per the schedule he had posted and his posting patterns halfway through day 1, I had expected activity from him at the end of day 1 in the couple hours before the close of the day. Especially so since there was such a balance between 3 teams that anyone could easily sway the results of the vote!
I'd like to note here that in my conversation with Radfield about talking at night, this would be an example of one of the more subtle thigns I chose not to talk about at night. If I had brought up L's partial inactivity at the critical time, the mafia might have chosen to leave L alive specifically because they knew I wanted him hounded for an answer and there are other people who already suspect him for various reasons.
I'm not saying any of this makes L red, it's just another piece of evidence to look at. I want to hear L's explanations.
All of this is soft evidence so I'm not pointing fingers about any of it yet. Lets hear what these teams have to say.
I have work. Caller decided he didn't really want to play and made 2 throw away posts then got himself modkilled after trying to vote against our own team. I had 0 control over that. Between us, Caller and I didn't PM during the game either, so what you see in the thread is 100% the content of our short, bittersweet romance.
I just plain wasn't around at the end of day 1 either. I know you kinda wanted me to swoop in and 'save the day' but this is the second consecutive game in which I'm tied down by extensive work obligations. I work 11am - 7 pm est tuesdays through wednesdays and sometimes I end up going drinking with friends or partying. Check the game wherein Flamewheel died due to indian food, for instance; this is not new.
So I don't really know what there's to explain; I have a life outside of mafia. I'd assume that's also the case for quite a few other people. I'm also rather upfront and have explained why, and when I'm gone for a day I tell the thread beforehand. What else, exactly, do you want me to do? Call in sick for work so that I can be influential prior to vote time ends? I'm really not prepared to do that.
If you want to lay blame for yesterday's mislynch, you might want to start with the people who were pushing for it the hardest.
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On a more important note, you picked up that both teams 1 and 2 pushed against T9, voted against T9, and are now both dead. Radfield + the BM/Chez team both tried to bus 9. That's partially why I found it so incredibly strange that Korynne would flip and try to 'hold' the result at BM/Chez if her partner was instrumental in starting the 9 train. The interesting part is that the 9 train was actually made in majority by people jumping off the 7 train.
That means that it isn't even just a question of T1+2 bussed against 9. You also need to examine their rhetoric against 7. The fact that 7 does not post unless they're being put on the stove is very, very scummy.
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On June 26 2010 09:02 Ace wrote:
oh and yes my vote is still going to L.
If you aren't mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time after the game making fun of you for being horrendous.
If you're mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time talking about how obvious you are.
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Ace: I'm really not sure where bumatlarge got that opinion... he's made other logic leaps in the thread too, though, so it's not that out of the ordinary. I guess he's convinced that somehow, lynching you will tell us something? I'm not really sure.
My vote is going to team 9 at the moment. It could change later if they make themselves less suspicious, but I might as well vote now, just in case something comes up and I forget later.
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Oh, and I'm still waiting on Nikon to explain himself... his post makes no sense to me, which is a problem since it concerns me.
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Voting ends in 8 minutes.
I have just been asked if claiming is ok in a near lynch scenario.
i would also, in that scenario, allow for a nameclaim
a lot of claiming is relative to being near L-3 L-2 or L-1
L-1 being a situation where 1 vote is needed to "hammer" or lynch
lol, i'm an idiot
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Your post-game trolling amuses me.
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On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing... Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team. Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best. Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.
Hi Nikon, let's look at what YOU had to say shall we?
+ Show Spoiler +Nikon - Total posts : 10 On June 23 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote:
.-.. --- .-.. / - .... .. ... / .. ... / -.- .. -. -.. .- / .-.. .- -- . / -.-- --- ..- / --. ..- -.-- ... / .- .-.. ... --- / .-- .... -.-- / .. ... / .--- --- .... -. -. -.-- ... .--. .- --.. / - .-. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / -.- .. .-.. .-.. / --- ..-. ..-. / .-.. / ... --- / ..-. .- ... - / - .... .- - / .. ... / -- .- -. -.-- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / -.-- . ... Translates roughly to : LOL THIS IS KINDA LAME YOU GUYS ALSO WHY IS JOHNNYSPAZ TRYING TO KILL OFF L SO FAST THAT IS MANY MORSE CODE YES. Only important point here is that he is asking why Jspazz wants to lynch L so quickly ignoring L's vote for Johnnyspazz and Chezinu for team 1; both votes being well in the timeframe between Jspazz's vote and Nikon's post. -In between these two posts, Nikon votes for team 2- Why? I have no idea; he does argue with BM though...an hour later On June 23 2010 15:15 Nikon wrote:
Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...
Signs off for the day? Guess not. I guess he just woke up since the following posts are only within a few hours of this post. Post # 299 [this post quotes one of BM's bigger posts so I won't quote that as well] (not going to sleep?) Some of his points are correct, thought I do think that BM's method of thinking helps him loosen his own workload at it lowers the amount of targets he needs to track for the _first_ day. However, I don't like how he ignores the good information in this post, particularly the parts about team 1 and team 9's voting behavior. Post # 312 Another attack on BM. I'd like to point out that Nikon, although putting BM down for coded messages, infact posted one of his own (see above). The rest of the post is just him defending his team by ... defending team 7... what? As great as that sounds (if team 7 indeed is green), I don't think that it's typical behavior for someone trying to defend himself. Normally, you'd accuse another team to put the heat off you. I also like how he says there's an 18% chance that another team is mafia. Is he not sure that he himself is town? If they know they're town then it's definitely 25% other people are mafia. On June 24 2010 00:25 Nikon wrote:
What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then? I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote. On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote. On June 24 2010 03:50 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math. Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long. Same 25% to 18% thing... -Two day gap between posts- On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book. Ok post On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing... Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team. Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best. Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly. - And see me pointing out that we don't have much room for error anymore? - DCLXVI did propose a good point in that supporting another mafia team is very risky. Especially since there are only two mafia teams; if we peg one, the other one falls into suspicion. Not the best play; I'm sure most people in this game hold L to a higher standard than that.
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On June 26 2010 09:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Voting ends in 8 minutes.
I have just been asked if claiming is ok in a near lynch scenario.
i would also, in that scenario, allow for a nameclaim
a lot of claiming is relative to being near L-3 L-2 or L-1
L-1 being a situation where 1 vote is needed to "hammer" or lynch
10/10.
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On June 26 2010 09:46 L wrote:If you aren't mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time after the game making fun of you for being horrendous. If you're mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time talking about how obvious you are.
So then how about you stop talking about "if" and do something. Put your vote where your mouth is.
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On June 26 2010 10:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 09:46 L wrote:On June 26 2010 09:02 Ace wrote:
oh and yes my vote is still going to L. If you aren't mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time after the game making fun of you for being horrendous. If you're mafia, I'm going to spend a lot of time talking about how obvious you are. So then how about you stop talking about "if" and do something. Put your vote where your mouth is.
I hope you enjoy the irony of writing this to taunt me while I'm preparing a large post especially for you, Acey kins.
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Then make sure you at least try to keep your bullshit well hidden this time, on Day 1 it was too easy to eat your lies up. They tasted delicious by the way.
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DTA
+ Show Spoiler +4 gazillion posts
Voted: Team 9
These are the ones I found with most significance
Opens up very town like. Posts logical blue tactics.
Reasons that johnnyspazz should have no reason to vote for L before anything was posted
Pointing out that one of Ace's comments about L was only down to a way of thinking, so no real relevance and should be focusing on other things - acting "independantly" leans towards townie
Suggesting that I vote for bumatlarge/laxer rather then BM/Chez - spending time to get my vote off a townie, no matter where it goes after that seems like something mafia wouldn't do. Could probably go both ways though since mafia might want BM/Chez spamming the thread
Not much of importance during night
Analysis on Radfield after his death - He did include that Radfield wrote about Ace possibly being mafia. This could easily be mafia thinking a few steps ahead, but why make the analysis on Radfield in the first place then? Korynne never mentioned suspecting Ace and would be a much better target for analysis
My thoughts: If he is mafia, he is doing the same mistake as last game and helping the town too much. And since he is this active, a change in his posting shouldn't be too hard to pick up on
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Okay, so, because I'm a baller, here's pretty much all of the analysis you'll ever need on Ace is in a low player number game format.
+ Show Spoiler [This is informations given by Zato] +On January 11 2010 06:05 Zato-1 wrote:Okay, so. Tonight, I'm hitting Ace. Why? Here's a list of Ace's posts from the last mafia game I played, in which he was mafia: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [1] +On August 20 2009 10:54 Ace wrote:
o shit wtf 5 hours passed fast On August 20 2009 10:58 Ace wrote:
can someone update me on everything that happened? I skimmed and saw people suggesting to lynch me? On August 20 2009 11:03 Ace wrote:
ok so Sato snitched on himself lulz
Medics aren't informed of prots? :/ That sucks.
Vigi shouldn't hit anyone until they are solid the person is red. On August 20 2009 11:10 Ace wrote:
:/
Well enough about me, what are we doing right now? On August 20 2009 11:23 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
zato was the one that brought up Satoux That pretty much ups Zeto's innocence. If he was really anti-town I doubt he'd want to cast a spotlight on his own Mafia ally. Especially in a game this small. Other than this there aren't even any patterns yet are there? Day 1 votes don't seem too telling. On August 20 2009 11:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:24 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
on the other hand both Foolishness and Midori accused Chezinu yesterday Why would we kill him then if we were mafia? Why not? Just because you accused someone doesn't hold weight. It would be one thing if you accused Chezinu and the town rallied behind you but you didn't have time to lynch. Then it would have been dumb to kill him. However that didn't happen. You accused him, but no one really went with it. By killing Chezinu you lose nothing since you didn't have any support in the first place. On August 20 2009 11:33 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:30 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:28 Ace wrote:On August 20 2009 11:24 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
on the other hand both Foolishness and Midori accused Chezinu yesterday Why would we kill him then if we were mafia? Why not? Just because you accused someone doesn't hold weight. It would be one thing if you accused Chezinu and the town rallied behind you but you didn't have time to lynch. Then it would have been dumb to kill him. However that didn't happen. You accused him, but no one really went with it. By killing Chezinu you lose nothing since you didn't have any support in the first place. It would seem rather out of place, more than anything. I don't particularly think Chezinu was a good hit, unless there was reason to think he was blue. Chezinu drew a lot of attention to himself, he seemed more beneficial to the mafia alive than dead. I understand what you're saying but it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Chezinu seemed normal :/ Either way I guess the good news is no one super valuable has been killed yet (lol sorry Chez) On August 20 2009 11:36 Ace wrote:
hold on a sec. Three of you voted for Inf out of no where with barely any reasoning except that he's throwing names out. That happens every mafia game. And Foolishness voted for Inf out of no where first with no reasoning. On August 20 2009 11:39 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:37 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:36 Ace wrote:
hold on a sec. Three of you voted for Inf out of no where with barely any reasoning except that he's throwing names out. That happens every mafia game. And Foolishness voted for Inf out of no where first with no reasoning. Do you have a better candidate? Outside of me since I can't really vote for myself well between you, Qatol and Pyrr something isn't right 1.) You voted for Inf 2.) Qatol votes for Inf and THEN posts a reason for it 3.) Pyrr votes for inf and also posts a reason Seems odd doesn't it? Especially since you're vote came in first before any reasonings. On August 20 2009 11:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:42 Qatol wrote:On August 20 2009 11:39 Ace wrote:On August 20 2009 11:37 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:36 Ace wrote:
hold on a sec. Three of you voted for Inf out of no where with barely any reasoning except that he's throwing names out. That happens every mafia game. And Foolishness voted for Inf out of no where first with no reasoning. Do you have a better candidate? Outside of me since I can't really vote for myself well between you, Qatol and Pyrr something isn't right 1.) You voted for Inf 2.) Qatol votes for Inf and THEN posts a reason for it 3.) Pyrr votes for inf and also posts a reason Seems odd doesn't it? Especially since you're vote came in first before any reasonings. You're really worried that I voted before posting my reasoning? Maybe I voted while figuring out exactly what to write because it's a speed game? no, that was more for Foolishness. As in 2 of you had reasons, he didn't. And he voted first of all 3 of you. On August 20 2009 11:53 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:49 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:47 Ace wrote:
no, that was more for Foolishness. As in 2 of you had reasons, he didn't. And he voted first of all 3 of you. Right now our vote is practically a crapshoot. You have yet to accuse/do anything, so I'm pretty sure we're all in the same boat here. It's better to vote for someone to get discussion going. I have been changing votes all game, it fits with what I'm trying to do here. actually no, I've been watching. I always try to play in a way that avoids innocent deaths. You guys bandwagoned Inf to death. Switching around votes randomly just makes it easier for Mafia to bandwagon. Right now you, Qatol, Pyrr, and Zato are all suspects. Wouldn't you agree? On August 20 2009 11:56 Ace wrote:
also Midori too, I didn't even realize he voted. On August 20 2009 12:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 11:57 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:53 Ace wrote:On August 20 2009 11:49 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:47 Ace wrote:
no, that was more for Foolishness. As in 2 of you had reasons, he didn't. And he voted first of all 3 of you. Right now our vote is practically a crapshoot. You have yet to accuse/do anything, so I'm pretty sure we're all in the same boat here. It's better to vote for someone to get discussion going. I have been changing votes all game, it fits with what I'm trying to do here. actually no, I've been watching. I always try to play in a way that avoids innocent deaths. You guys bandwagoned Inf to death. Switching around votes randomly just makes it easier for Mafia to bandwagon. Right now you, Qatol, Pyrr, and Zato are all suspects. Wouldn't you agree? As a matter of fact, I would. I can defend myself by saying that my behavior against infundibulum has been consistent with the previous days, as I have previously said. infundibulum did a great job roleclaiming to the town too, especially telling Qatol at the last minute. To give my reasonings again, I have been moving around votes all game to get discussion going. I started the lynch on Satoux, which helps proves my innocence. Pyrry has laid out some important information pertaining to this as well. I can understand if you want to think Pyrry and I as the two remaining mafia, as that would make sense, but that's simply not the case. I cannot speak on behalf of other people though. Qatol's posts in the thread annoy me to death, Pyrry is unusually quiet (of course without clues he's nearly useless). The Sato thing is over and done with but it does look good for you. I'm just saying you can't go around starting bandwagons, and when they turn out wrong act like it's just an oops moment. One of you guys has to pay. @Midori: Ok be suspicious of me but I didnt get a medic killed did I. On August 20 2009 12:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 20 2009 11:53 Ace wrote:On August 20 2009 11:49 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 11:47 Ace wrote:
no, that was more for Foolishness. As in 2 of you had reasons, he didn't. And he voted first of all 3 of you. Right now our vote is practically a crapshoot. You have yet to accuse/do anything, so I'm pretty sure we're all in the same boat here. It's better to vote for someone to get discussion going. I have been changing votes all game, it fits with what I'm trying to do here. actually no, I've been watching. I always try to play in a way that avoids innocent deaths. You guys bandwagoned Inf to death. Switching around votes randomly just makes it easier for Mafia to bandwagon. Right now you, Qatol, Pyrr, and Zato are all suspects. Wouldn't you agree? I can understand your suspicion of foolish, qatol, and myself at this point but why Zato, if I may ask? He changed his vote a lot but that last minute switch from me to infun wouldn't seem like something a mafia would do since infun looked dead already and a mafia would have known infun was innocent. Which would actually be a good Mafia defense don't you think? "I can't be Mafia, my vote didn't even change anything!" On August 20 2009 12:12 Ace wrote:Qatol if Infundibulum was a Medic how could he safely make that claim to you? He'd never know your role On August 20 2009 12:18 Ace wrote:
@Vivi: How has he sacrificed his own? You guys all said Sato pretty much told on himself so how is that relevant? On August 20 2009 12:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:19 Zato-1 wrote:
Ace, you haven't been very active this game. Why is that? Your kidding right? You mean I haven't just started accusing everyone of being mafia all willy nilly is more like it. I've only focused on the mistakes that I've seen this game and the fact that some of you except Foolishness won't even embrace is it is suspicious. Pyrr had a so-so defense. But you and Qatol have pretty much ignored me. On August 20 2009 12:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:20 Zato-1 wrote:
By 'inactive', I mean unhelpful in finding mafia. @Ace we've only found 1, what do you want me to do magically pull one out my hat? On August 20 2009 12:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:23 Foolishness wrote:On August 20 2009 12:21 Ace wrote:On August 20 2009 12:19 Zato-1 wrote:
Ace, you haven't been very active this game. Why is that? Your kidding right? You mean I haven't just started accusing everyone of being mafia all willy nilly is more like it. I've only focused on the mistakes that I've seen this game and the fact that some of you except Foolishness won't even embrace is it is suspicious. Pyrr had a so-so defense. But you and Qatol have pretty much ignored me. I convinced Zato to vote for infundibulum at the last minute. I do not believe we should be looking at Zato, but rather other people. just because you did that doesn't mean he's town aligned. On August 20 2009 12:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:25 Foolishness wrote:
Okay this needs to come out right now.
I am the detective. I have checked both Qatol and Pyrry, and both have turned up green. This should help explain why things happened the way they did. Ok Foolishness, you see the wagon right? Seriously man. Just look at the voting thread. On August 20 2009 12:31 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:30 Qatol wrote:On August 20 2009 12:28 Ace wrote:On August 20 2009 12:25 Foolishness wrote:
Okay this needs to come out right now.
I am the detective. I have checked both Qatol and Pyrry, and both have turned up green. This should help explain why things happened the way they did. Ok Foolishness, you see the wagon right? Seriously man. Just look at the voting thread. Wagon's a bit big for the remaining of mafia, don't you think? 2 mafia left 3 people claiming to be working together being coordinated by rolechecks. So the conclusion is mafia? Yea because it's the SAME people that got it wrong the first time. You mean to tell me you guys shouldn't be looking at your little group for the answers as to where the suspicions should go? On August 20 2009 12:32 Ace wrote:
and look at the shit you did now On August 20 2009 12:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 12:34 Zato-1 wrote:
If we have a Vigi... you need to hit Foolishness. He is most definitely mafia. .... You can easily categorize all of his posts in two categories: Chaff: He talks but essentially says nothing. Posts # 1 through 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20 are of this kind. Guilt Trips: Since he's basically committed to nothing all game, he weighs down on those who have done something whenever they were wrong. Posts #7, 11, 13, 17, 18, 21, 22 and 23 are of this kind. Ace's strategy was to sit back, feign activity, and pounce on Town members whenever they made a mistake. Now, take a look at Ace's posts in the current game: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [1] +On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote:
Dear morans.
There's nearly nothing to talk about on the first day if no one talks, and we have no mayoral business to vote for.
Because of this, and because I like making people post stupid garbage, I propose we go round table and each say who we want to off day one.
So far, I've done around 5 minutes of thinking and I'm going to sleep directly after I type this post, so this won't be pretty or eloquent, but here's what I'm thinking so far.
1. RebirthOfLeGend
2. Ace
3. L
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. Scamp
6. Zato-1
7. Chezinu
8. nemY
9. HeavOnEarth
10. Vivi57
11. ketomai
12. Mikeymoo
13. Malongo
2) I hate vivi. RoL's dumb. Chezinu is a gigantic waste of a player, regardless of which side he's on, and nemy hasn't played in a while, and played somewhat subpar last game we were in due to inactivity. Granted that these are all easy "dumb" targets, I'll be extra risk and not pick any of them to see how people react.
%) Alternate plan is to kill people who we know are fucking useless and who won't 'fuck up' because they're so fucking inactive. If that's the case, i'd hit nemY first. Not that I hate the guy or anything, but there's some weird fucking 'stupid' sympathy which keeps vivi alive when I try to get him killed and I'm kinda hoping Chezinu doesn't do his standard stupid shit. If he does, I'm pretty sure we're going to have to start killing him day 1-2 in every game he joins until he stops being a moron. I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. On January 06 2010 02:25 Ace wrote:
I actually think it was a rather bad move. It's an 11 player game with 3 Mafia that have a grand total of 1 KP: why in the world would there be 2 medics?
This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote:
First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself.
Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it.
Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early.
If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 08:46 Zato-1 wrote:
Actually, I kind of disagree with many regarding Judge's claim. One of the mafia's most powerful weapons is deception; if they can pass the ball along to one another in order to point the finger at townies as mafia suspects and then shrug responsibility off somehow, the flow of the game is favorable to them. If the Town members assume strong leading roles and set the pace of the game, it's advantageous to us. Overall, I agree with Judge's move. I find it likely that he's not, in fact, mafia. I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). On January 07 2010 04:15 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 00:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 07 2010 00:45 Zato-1 wrote:
Get a hold of yourself, man. Trying to vindicate your actions in a previous game, fighting back at random insults and posting 6 times consecutively while sounding really passionate at the same time just makes it look like you're lashing out. Not conducive to a smart, organized Town at all. So, yeah- less talk-back and discussing other games, more discussing what we should be doing this game please. Read more please, 90% of what I wrote was about this game and Judge's actions. The other 10% was about talking about past games. I just simply said that Ace can't continue being a dick because hes mad I fucked him over when I was a VI like 2 years ago. This grudge shit is annoying and not productive. Ace assumes he knows everything about everything when in reality most people in my situation would of done the same shit most likely including himself. Can we please just focus on Judge? and i was posting as I was reading and knowing that a lot of people just skip text blocks I repeated a few things as I was reading. I actually forgot about the VI thing. You really just sucked last game ^_^ On January 07 2010 04:25 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 01:53 Zato-1 wrote:On January 06 2010 09:18 Malongo wrote:
-I really dont see the point in RoLs post and i dont like the fact that scamp came up just 10 minutes later to support his own defence. How did RoL knew scamp wasnt inactive? Why is RoL too lazy to read tonight but has his time to half defend scamp? Maybe this is just a coincidence but since we are lynching almost on blind i like RoL. At least we can autofire at scamp if RoL flips red.
-For Judges claim its really not that important its not like he was a primary target for the town to lynch and if he is town alligned he can keep mafia guessing. Its something like claiming Im a cat.
- Ls posting seem almost smart so im inclined to tell judge and L are town/side.
I'm grasping here, but this is the only post so far that hints at someone being mafia. This someone being its author, Malongo. Why? First paragraph, he supports lynching RoL just because 'if he flips red, Scamp is also mafia'. I see no good reason to suspect RoL is mafia, and I don't see this chummy mafioso friendship between RoL and Scamp. In essence, his argument is, "I think if we kill RoL and he flips red, we'll get two birds in one stone! If we kill him and he's Townie, well then, too bad". How convenient does that sound if you're actually Mafia and you know RoL is not on your side? Third paragraph, he's saying L and Judge are trustworthy, and putting himself by their sides. He's basically creating two small groups; "Good Guys" which includes L, Judge and himself (He might even know L and Judge to be Townies; he can just kill them off at night and vindicate his good game sense, saying "I told you so!"), and "Bad Guys", which right now is just RoL, the person he wants to kill. I am in no way certain Malongo is mafia, but it does look like mafia mentality to me. Malongo, you've earned my vote. I understand what you're trying to do it but it's not concrete enough. Judge is far more suspicious than Malongo posting about how he randomly thinks RoL is scummy. On January 07 2010 04:35 Ace wrote:
BTW - Judge is mafia, calling it now. On January 07 2010 05:55 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to keep my vote on him because my standard policy for standard games still applies here: lynch Day 1 roleclaimers unless they have some serious proof or compelling argument.
Look at what Judge has just done.
Hey I'm a Medic!
this can't be proven or disproved by anyone
I have a plan, trust me!
why are we putting blind faith in him?
So because he MIGHT be a blue we shouldn't lynch him? That argument happens every game and I'm pretty sure we can all agree it's a useless platform to go on.
I said at the end of last mini mafia that anyone role claiming medic is destined to die. The Medic role generally wants to avoid getting hit even if he can protect himself. However he/she does it is whatever, but trying to attract fire would be unwise. Hence, Judge definitely is NOT a medic. No one has ever gotten a free pass for role claiming on Day 1 and those were almost always Detective claims. So why are we letting a Medic claim go? On January 07 2010 06:25 Ace wrote:
what exceptional information? I really want to know this. On January 07 2010 06:31 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 06:24 Vivi57 wrote:
I really hate the idea of lynching judge now. If he's gf, we get him now and save a little potential damage.
If he's medic/vet, we just massively fucked up.
Basically, by not wanting to wait to lynch judge, you're saying that you think he could completely fuck us over and that you're not good enough to poke holes in his plan and see him as the gf. Collectively, we *are* that good so there's really no point in lynching him now.
I actually don't even care what his plan is. The fact that he has a plan and hasn't said a word about it speaks volumes. This is an 11 player game - what plan does he really have that's so fragile but powerful that it needs to be stated on Day 2 instead of Day 1? How does that help the town? Secondly Townies shouldn't lie. Which means that if Judge is town he HAS TO BE A MEDIC. But in my last post I outlined that there is no possible way Judge can be a medic. Which means HE IS LYING. I'm not going through this "he might be blue" shit again. I've said in countless games I really don't give a shit about not lynching someone solely because they might have a power role. If you make a big gamble and you make a mistake you deserve to be at the center of the lynch discussion. On January 07 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
Zato that would be a really odd mistake wouldn't it? Judge has experience playing Mafia on this site and another. If he never made that post I would have been fine with a no lynch for today. On January 07 2010 07:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 07:11 L wrote:Look at what Judge has just done.
Hey I'm a Medic!
this can't be proven or disproved by anyone
I have a plan, trust me!
why are we putting blind faith in him?
Who's putting blind faith in him? Its one thing to trust someone's telling us the truth, its completely another to kill him. If he's got a plan, he's on the hook to make it look good. If he does have a plan there isn't any reason to wait an entire Day to tell us. This is really one of the big signs painting him as Mafia to me. There is no reason to hold back. Secondly we do not know if he's telling the truth because we can't confirm it. This is the same thing we go through every game where for some reason people assume someone must be telling the truth IF they have a plan. Show nested quote +Secondly Townies shouldn't lie. Which means that if Judge is town he HAS TO BE A MEDIC. But in my last post I outlined that there is no possible way Judge can be a medic. Which means HE IS LYING. Show nested quote +
There are plenty of townies who've lied for great, great profit in our games; its generally a fantastic idea for them to do so if their deception doesn't fuck the town over in any way. A vet would NEVER want to say "hey fuckers, I'm a vet", because the entire idea behind his role is to attract some rape to his face. A plain green townie should always be throwing off blue vibes so that mafia hit him over someone proper.
When? In most of our games townies that lied have led to great disasters. Townies shouldn't be trying to lie to deceive anyone because hey - thats exactly what the Mafia are doing! And using your last sentences if Judge is a Medic then WHY WOULD HE BE WANTING TO GET HIT. Because he isn't a Medic. Show nested quote +
So you can't just make a "if he's medic, he wouldn't have done this" play. See, the way I see it is this; Last game you claimed DT, and I got you killed for it. Its clear that blues DO claim, and by our general series of day 1 claims, typically many do. You, nemY and quite a few others have balls'd up and gone for it. So why would you apply this rule to him now, yet not apply it to yourself during the last game?
I mean, shit. Can't have it both ways.
Did the last game have this rule set? I don't think so. When I claimed DT last game I was essentially invulnerable except for the Mafia having the option of switching BGs. This game has no Mayor/Pardoners so that's out of the window. There is nothing to be gained from anyone claiming to be a Medic on Day 1. Ever. Show nested quote +
Either way, judge is not the best risk/reward kill today by a longshot. Chances are he's medic/green/vet, nearly nil chance he's plain red, DT or vig, and I've never seen a godfather claim nearly immediately after the start of day 1, so this would be the ballsiest play I've ever seen as GF.
Chances are he's Vet or Mafia. That's it. Doesn't even matter if he's plain red or GF. If he's red and he gets checked by the DT that means by Day 2 the DT is immediately outed in a game where the Mafia KP doesn't change based on Judge dying. As for any other candidates no one else is even near as suspicious as Judge. Somehow Malongo is being talked about based on 1 post he threw out there when Judge has several and SHOULD be talked about even more. Where the hell is everyone else playing this game? On January 07 2010 07:37 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 07:25 Zato-1 wrote:On January 07 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
Zato that would be a really odd mistake wouldn't it? Judge has experience playing Mafia on this site and another. If he never made that post I would have been fine with a no lynch for today. A mistake as far as you're concerned is what I meant. Call it 'he did something stupid' or however you like- my point is, lynching Judge for doing something you'd rather he hadn't done seems overkill, unless you're really serious about deterring people from day 1 roleclaiming. Lynching people should predominantly be our way to deal with mafia, rather than our way of dealing with people who play in a way you don't like. If you still want to lynch him because you think he's mafia, fine. But really, lynching him for any other reason is just dumb. no I'm lynching him because I think he is Mafia. I was using the way he was playing as an argument for why I think he indeed is Mafia ^_^ And yes I'm strongly opposed to Day 1 role claims in most formats. On January 07 2010 08:59 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 08:34 L wrote:There is no reason to hold back. Secondly we do not know if he's telling the truth because we can't confirm it. 1) There's a rather large reason. 2) We will be able to find out if he is. Ace, feel free to examine what's going on objectively, because it makes things rather easy to sort out. Did the last game have this rule set? Last game's ruleset made it even more retarded to try to do what you did. Don't see how you're helping your case here; Clear example of pot and kettle. Either way, even if this was a 'mistake' from a medic's point of view, it would most certainly be a double mistake from a godfather's point of view; Again, there are ZERO instances of godfathers claiming this early, and there ARE ways of confirming him as town or mafia. Nothing point to the fact that he should be killed tonight, unless you're scared that you won't be smart enough to sway the town away from his plan if its bad, right Ace? Normally you aren't so short sighted . Last game I could be invincible. What are you talking about? lol have you forgotten already? It doesn't matter if you think he's a GF. The point is no one claims medic on Day 1. It's seriously a dumb move. It's like 4 pooling on an island map. There is nothing to gain. And this hey let's wait and see his plan along with this I can't tell you guys what my plan is mentality is screaming Mafia. And to top it all off now we want to lynch Malongo based on nothing? lol right. You guys are making PERFECT sense here. Answer me on how we are going to confirm judge is a medic. On January 07 2010 09:17 Ace wrote:
Interesting. So Malongo who was fucking randomly plucked out of no where for doing nothing wrong is all of a sudden about to die?
Really smart guys. Just look at that wagon go. On January 07 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
you must be a salesman in real life On January 07 2010 09:43 Ace wrote:
Judge I always try to stop the town from killing people with random bandwagons. That's not a scum tell that's an ACE tell. That's probably the one trait that you can find I do consistently every game.
Oh and argue with RoL too. On January 07 2010 09:45 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 09:43 L wrote:On January 07 2010 09:17 Ace wrote:
Interesting. So Malongo who was fucking randomly plucked out of no where for doing nothing wrong is all of a sudden about to die?
Really smart guys. Just look at that wagon go. Well, you had ample time to make an argument for someone other than judge; I already stated why I think malongo is a fairly safe first day lynch; he's obviously not blue otherwise he'd be active and care a bit more about his impending death. I'd rather lynch someone else, but there's not enough time to get people to switch, especially with you trying to kill judge. Does him being blue even matter? He hasn't done anything suspicious at all. And I don't have an argument for anyone else. Seriously Judge is the only person that seems suspect to me. On January 07 2010 09:46 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 09:45 L wrote:On January 07 2010 09:43 Ace wrote:
Judge I always try to stop the town from killing people with random bandwagons. That's not a scum tell that's an ACE tell. That's probably the one trait that you can find I do consistently every game.
Oh and argue with RoL too. I find it very odd that given that judge won't be killed that you aren't pressing to get RoL killed, and that RoL, who absolutely hates you, has been toddling around and towing your line. Sup with that, bro? why would I want RoL killed again? How is him echoing me even relevant? :/ On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote:
how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell.
The second part was sarcasm.
L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument. On January 07 2010 09:52 Ace wrote:
I can see just fine. Someone claims to be a Medic Day 1 and I'm supposed to just sit back and be like omg fine!
Right Judge. Right ^_^ On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
@L: The only person I'd want to see die is Judge.
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. On January 07 2010 10:01 Ace wrote:
indeed L.
Except I didn't pick because neither of them seem more fishy to me than Judge.
On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. On January 07 2010 10:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 10:05 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote:On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. Then you can't use it as a defense. And I don't use meta as a way to clear people, I use it as a way to crucify them if they play to a certain meta overall. Plus, the hole in your logic is "I do it all the time" which means you can still be scum. But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role. On January 07 2010 10:14 Ace wrote:
thats nice Judge. But like I've said before you shouldn't be surprised I'm not going for fake Medic claims. On January 07 2010 10:22 Ace wrote:
L if you're concerned about RoL why isn't anyone else voting for him? (besides me of course) On January 07 2010 10:32 Ace wrote:
That voting thread sure is something else. On January 07 2010 10:48 Ace wrote:
I know L is laughing very hard right now On January 07 2010 11:45 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 11:34 L wrote:
Lol, so chezinu changed his vote because Ace promised that if he was mafia he would kill him a day later. stop grasping at straws. I haven't even spoken to Chezinu all game. On January 07 2010 12:48 Ace wrote:? are you serious? so you just flip flop voted multiple times, and now if Malongo dies and flips innocent you can say he had a chance to "save himself". lol interesting really. On January 07 2010 13:00 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 12:54 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Everyone fast lynch Chezinu XD seriously I would On January 07 2010 13:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 13:07 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
EBWOP because I'm just posting off the hilt atm.
@RoL - I'm making the assumption that there is a DT off of the constant nagging of people saying on this forum "There has to be a DT/Medic combo or else it's rape against Town."
For the record, DT/Medic is an overpowered combination in pretty much every open game if it isn't balanced out by multiple KP or a mafia roleblocker. DT can outright claim and have the medic stay in hiding and just protect him every night while he investigates while the mafia has to blindly try and snipe the medic. By then a slew of confirmed townies pop up and it's GG for mafia. We luck out in the fact that we generally use multiple KP or these games would be busted wide open by any competent two players. I said this a few pages back. DT/Medic is also somewhat busted by GF roles, but only somewhat. And the reason you need DT/Medic is because without both Mafia is just going to run wild killing everyone and people will be scared to post knowing they have no protection. On January 07 2010 13:14 Ace wrote:Oh boy. Somebody has some explaining to do. On January 07 2010 13:18 Ace wrote:
Not at all. More like the random out of the blue bandwagon that you guys put on Malongo was the wrong call. On January 07 2010 13:25 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 13:18 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 13:14 Ace wrote:Malongo: (5)
Zato-1
vx70GTOJudgexv
L
HeavOnEarth
Scamp
Oh boy. Somebody has some explaining to do. I'm much more inclined to believe mafia was off of this lynch, but that's my opinion right now. I feel that mafia sit back and let this one happen. I don't. 5 out of 12 possible votes and not one of them Mafia? I highly doubt it. Either way I'm going to start going back through this whole debacle. But right now my top suspects: Judge, obviously ^_^ Scamp and Chezinu because of the last minute voting and flip flopping Zato-1 because he was the one who proposed lynching Malongo in the midst of the Judge debacle On January 07 2010 13:37 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 13:32 Scamp wrote:On January 07 2010 13:25 Ace wrote:
Either way I'm going to start going back through this whole debacle. But right now my top suspects:
Judge, obviously ^_^
Scamp and Chezinu because of the last minute voting and flip flopping
Zato-1 because he was the one who proposed lynching Malongo in the midst of the Judge debacle Yes, I would be very surprised if I wasn't heavily interrogated day 2 for my actions at the end of day one. I would like to know, however, your opinions of my decision to try to avoid a no-lynch. No one commented on this. I think that a no-lynch is worse than any lynch day one. I'd actually rather we have had a no lynch. I was already against the Malongo band wagon from jump and since he didn't really do much his death wasn't going to reveal anything major. Well now that he's dead everyone that voted for him is rightfully going to be questioned. On January 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 04:04 L wrote:
I like how the two players I specifically prodded into switching votes, so that we wouldn't end up killing malongo are now raging about the fact that we killed malongo rather than a poorer player.
Can't have it both ways, champ. I like how a long time before that I said killing malongo was a bandwagon move and we should have just killed Judge instead. It's ok though, if I survive tonight there's going to be hell on Day 2. On January 08 2010 10:14 Ace wrote:
The bandwagon at Judge was very justified: A guy claiming medic on day with a "wait and let me live" approach vs a guy who got one of his posts randomly plucked out of no where and accused.
Yes, the votes against Judge were so unjustified. Either way Day 2 someone is going to have to answer some tough questions. On January 08 2010 10:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 10:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Why do you guys keep mentioning me like I was even close to a lynch candidate?
Malongo accused me so we must either lynch me or him?
I don't remember ever seeing that logic before. I didn't want to lynch you. L said because you're a bad player you should be lynched. I said because Judge was lying and because he made a bad play he should be lynched. They both kept their votes on Malongo. L said I should switch my votes to you and I flat out told him that wasn't going to happen. The game I claimed DT L said it was a terrible play. Judge claims Medic Day 1 and L says no, no way a Mafia would do that. Seriously L, why the double standard? On January 08 2010 11:31 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 11:22 L wrote:On January 08 2010 10:28 Ace wrote:On January 08 2010 10:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Why do you guys keep mentioning me like I was even close to a lynch candidate?
Malongo accused me so we must either lynch me or him?
I don't remember ever seeing that logic before. I didn't want to lynch you. L said because you're a bad player you should be lynched. I said because Judge was lying and because he made a bad play he should be lynched. They both kept their votes on Malongo. L said I should switch my votes to you and I flat out told him that wasn't going to happen. The game I claimed DT L said it was a terrible play. Judge claims Medic Day 1 and L says no, no way a Mafia would do that. Seriously L, why the double standard? Because your 'plan' was to get everyone to claim to you nearly immediately, get all of the bodyguard information, ignore the currently in place town plan for confirming DT sanity, and then proceed. Judge has made no such requests besides 'don't kill me tonight'. See the difference? What town plan? You mean the one after I died that everyone conveniently decided not to follow? There wasn't a town plan unless you mean the stupidity you tried to sell the town on. And I didn't want everyone to claim to me. I asked for BG information which when I died made sense. Judge's request of don't kill him shouldn't be held in higher regards than anyone else begging not to die (see Malongo). So you're wrong on what I did last game and you still haven't even given good reasoning as to why Judge should have been blindly trusted in the first place. But it's ok, all this pales in comparison to what Zato-1 is going to go through. On January 08 2010 12:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 11:44 Zato-1 wrote:On January 08 2010 11:31 Ace wrote:On January 08 2010 11:22 L wrote:On January 08 2010 10:28 Ace wrote:On January 08 2010 10:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Why do you guys keep mentioning me like I was even close to a lynch candidate?
Malongo accused me so we must either lynch me or him?
I don't remember ever seeing that logic before. I didn't want to lynch you. L said because you're a bad player you should be lynched. I said because Judge was lying and because he made a bad play he should be lynched. They both kept their votes on Malongo. L said I should switch my votes to you and I flat out told him that wasn't going to happen. The game I claimed DT L said it was a terrible play. Judge claims Medic Day 1 and L says no, no way a Mafia would do that. Seriously L, why the double standard? Because your 'plan' was to get everyone to claim to you nearly immediately, get all of the bodyguard information, ignore the currently in place town plan for confirming DT sanity, and then proceed. Judge has made no such requests besides 'don't kill me tonight'. See the difference? What town plan? You mean the one after I died that everyone conveniently decided not to follow? There wasn't a town plan unless you mean the stupidity you tried to sell the town on. And I didn't want everyone to claim to me. I asked for BG information which when I died made sense. Judge's request of don't kill him shouldn't be held in higher regards than anyone else begging not to die (see Malongo). So you're wrong on what I did last game and you still haven't even given good reasoning as to why Judge should have been blindly trusted in the first place. But it's ok, all this pales in comparison to what Zato-1 is going to go through. All seven levels of hell, because I didn't follow your plan blindly like a good little puppet? I'm sorry Ace, that course of action only works for me if I'm on the same team as you. And I'm not quite certain you're Town-aligned this game. But hey, as long as you attack me with well-constructed arguments (unlike your "I don't trust Judge, ergo autolynch"), I'll be happy to defend myself. It would be a waste to lynch me when there's actual mafia out there, especially if yet more leadership were to fall to you. more leadership? lol nice I didn't even know I was a leader yet. The 5 of you that voted malongo off are all top suspects. Especially when ya know, you were the one who started the bs bandwagon and the others hopped on to it with lame excuses. On January 08 2010 20:51 Ace wrote:
this is all interesting. I guess tomorrow I'll have to make a long post about Zato-1, Judge, MM and Chezinu.
However at this point Chez I'm pretty sure you know you're like, almost guaranteed a lynch (seriously after seeing judge RC the first day and take shit, you'd have to AT LEAST be able to find a way to convince people). Also the other reason I don't really believe you is because on the Day 1 vote you flip flopped so many times that you came off as Mafia. Seriously, why would you flip flop if you wanted to save Malongo or Judge? Just abstain if that's the case.
And yea I read your PM Chezinu, but I'm not helping you get MikeyMoo killed unless you really flip DT. Either way it's really funny how every single time someone is "on the radar" ANOTHER person comes from left field with some new info and knocks shit out of whack.
After the Chezinu/MM debacle is cleared up we'll move on to past transgressions. On January 08 2010 21:21 Ace wrote:
WHY DID YOU ROLECLAIM!?
On January 08 2010 22:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 21:41 Zato-1 wrote:On January 08 2010 21:21 Ace wrote:
WHY DID YOU ROLECLAIM!?
Because of all these accusations that are running around Town. You know, these people vote, too- I hate dealing behind closed doors and keeping everyone in the dark, and my posted PMs would only make people more restless unless I gave them closure about whether I am a Vigilante or not. So, it's all out in the open now. I was kind of expecting you'd be outraged at me and maybe push for my lynching today, but I just don't see a winning plan in what you're doing, Ace. At least, not for the Town. Yea I was (still am) outraged at you. But there was no need to role claim. I mean seriously, is everyone going to roleclaim now when we have a GF in the game? Come on man, you just saw Chez and his nonsense. I don't even think you would have gotten put on the chopping block today since chez just pulled that stunt and that path gives us a faster way to finding Mafia. On January 08 2010 22:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 21:42 Chezinu wrote:
I still shocked that Ace can't see that I'm blue.. how many times do I have to tell you if you didn't pull that stupid voting stunt on Day 1 I would have been more inclined to believe you? You said you didn't want to kill Judge or Malongo, told them to save themselves yet kept your vote flip flopping instead of simply abstaining. If you saw someone do that do you honestly think you'd believe they were legit? On January 09 2010 05:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 04:39 Scamp wrote:
As far as roleclaiming goes, I don't see the problem with someone claiming Vig.
1) It's easy as hell to confirm.
2) No GF is going to choose Vig as his cover.
3) As long as the Vig uses his power the night after he claims, there really isn't any downside to the town.
The only thing it affects as far as I can tell is that mafia are going to be more careful this day to avoid being the target. Vigi isn't exactly easy to confirm, check the rules ^_^ But either way it only looks bad because Chezinu DT claimed first. No point in mass roleclaims on the Second Day of the game when there isn't even anything to panic about. On January 09 2010 14:30 Ace wrote:
Because Judge can't be confirmed. They've been giving us this runaround for 2 days and get upset when we ask for it and we're the ones being labeled as irrational.
I'll try and make a post before I get out of here tonight, but Chez should definitely be lynched first unless we all come to the consensus MM is definitely scum. At this point it's one guy's word against the other and Chez's play before he claimed was scummy. And like I said before if he didn't do that I would have believed him.
As for Judge being town I still don't believe that. Zato-1 on the other hand I do believe. On January 09 2010 14:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 14:33 Chezinu wrote:On January 09 2010 14:30 Ace wrote:
Because Judge can't be confirmed. They've been giving us this runaround for 2 days and get upset when we ask for it and we're the ones being labeled as irrational.
I'll try and make a post before I get out of here tonight, but Chez should definitely be lynched first unless we all come to the consensus MM is definitely scum. At this point it's one guy's word against the other and Chez's play before he claimed was scummy. And like I said before if he didn't do that I would have believed him.
As for Judge being town I still don't believe that. Zato-1 on the other hand I do believe. Ace, you need to be more active! You seem so lost this game.. I'm active enough? Seriously though I've been in meetings and shit. And tomorrow from 12-9 ET (cringe) I'll be tutoring kids. Hopefully they let me use the internet. On January 09 2010 14:40 Ace wrote:
You've told me I'm Mafia about 7 times already. But you can keep screaming it for your own pleasure ^_^ On January 09 2010 15:53 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 15:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 09 2010 14:30 Ace wrote:
Because Judge can't be confirmed. They've been giving us this runaround for 2 days and get upset when we ask for it and we're the ones being labeled as irrational.
I'll try and make a post before I get out of here tonight, but Chez should definitely be lynched first unless we all come to the consensus MM is definitely scum. At this point it's one guy's word against the other and Chez's play before he claimed was scummy. And like I said before if he didn't do that I would have believed him.
As for Judge being town I still don't believe that. Zato-1 on the other hand I do believe. I would go with what you said except for one thing. I believe killing mikeymoo gives us a better vigi candidate. While if we lynch Chezinu we only learn to either A. Vigi MM or B. Vigi someone else? If we kill MM first and hes not mafia then we know killing chez gives us scum, if MM is mafia then we should hit either L or Judge. Judge posts how MM probably is mafia but we should kill Chezinu because its some evil plan from mafia to infiltrate using Chezinu as decoy. Summary, Lynch Chez we either don't know who to vigi or we vigi MM. Lynch MM first we either kill Chez or Judge. Doesn't matter either way. Hey judge you can even confirm yourself this way too! If we have Zato hit you and you protect yourself his hit won't go through! Ok I understand why you're for killing MM...but how does that confirm Judge or even L? On January 09 2010 20:30 Ace wrote:
Oh...oh my god! Brilliant!
Surely the DT wouldn't think that the fact you purposely claimed Medic to draw an investigation to yourself and a GF isn't in the game you'd never even attempt to pull a stunt!
So basically like I said the instant you "came up with such a brilliant plan" you were just lying and wasting everyone's time. Yeah, that's a lot of posts alright. But, I've done some work and categorized them for you again: Chaff posts where he makes comments and maybe triest to set a mood or give an idea of his thoughts: Posts #1 through 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 40, 41, 44, 45, 46, 47, 49, 50, 51 and 52. Posts with content: Posts #34, 36, 37, 38, 42 and 43 are essentially guilt trips; someone did a mistake, and he's calling them out on it. Posts #8, 13, 15, 18, 23 and 39 are posts in which he justifies attempts to lynch Judge for his day 1 roleclaiming. Now for the analysis: - There's nothing suspicious about making Chaff posts. Everyone makes them, some more than others. - Guilt Trip posts are of a different kind; when the Town makes a mistake, instead of trying to pick up the broken pieces and move on to the next course of action, Ace focuses on kicking the parties responsible for the mistake while they're down. This is done to lower Town morale and attempt to make Town players bitter, and recriminate themselves about who's responsible for what- while he sits back and watches. - His posts against Judge are probably just the fact that his dislike for day 1 roleclaiming happened to coincide with a daring Town initiative for getting organized. Two birds with one stone there (personal satisfaction & lynching a potential Town organizer), and he can just blame his zeal against day 1 roleclaiming for persecuting Judge. - What seems to be the connecting trend between Ace's posts? The only thing he's actually committed to, was persecuting Judge, and for a pretty bad reason at that ("I think he's lying about being a Medic, so he has to be mafia"). Other than that, he's content to sit back, make a lot of posts with little substance, and punish Town members when they make a wrong call. Does this seem like a game-winning plan for Town to you? 'cause it looks a lot more like a mafia trying to sow dissent among the Town while appearing to be active, to me.For this reason, tonight I am going to kill Ace.
You'll generally notice 2 similar trends; An attempt to shit on players without providing much in the way of productive work. Ace of all players loves talking about blue strategy, yet he didn't bother talking about potential medic targets; Odd seeing as he's fucking Ace and Ace normally gets shot early. He didn't talk about DTs either, He didn't ask for anyone to be checked.
It seems like his prime focus has been trying to breadcrumb to set up lynches. Ace pushed very strongly against Chez/BM using their posting style as an excuse, much the same way he used judge's claim during the game this is referenced from as an excuse.
Generally Ace's mafia play in low number setups to cruise along while attempting to appear active without providing something akin to a forward looking plan. He heaps suspicion on people, then has the rest of his team casually flit in and out of fights he causes.
That's 100% what he's doing this game.
Don't believe me? Check his post history in this thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Ace&gb=date
Ace's posts are either 1 liners or they're tossing shit at people. Instead of bothering to unpack any of his ideas, he's content to try and trap townies. Look at the first 25 or so posts in the thread; They exclusively attempt to smear both me and the BM/Chez team.
BM/Chez reacted to it; See here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23
BM flat out nails Ace: Ace isn't doing shit for the town. Read the entire page. Its pretty telling. Ace complains that BM is lying when Ace's narrative has been that BM/Chez style play will get you killed. Ace says that statement is a lie despite:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=6#109
The fact that it isn't. Ace does the same with me at a later point.
But those are kinda just little peanuts ontop of the sundae. The main scoop is here:
On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green. I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
The problem here should be obvious. We have 7 people alive. After a lynch on me we'd have 5 people alive. 3 town. 2 mafia. Lylo.
If Ace is town and he's cool with being lynched, we lose the game. No townie would gladly accept being killed in Lylo because it's a loss. Ace is cool with it. Probably because Ace is trying to garner support for a push. Even if Ace is red, being able to kill me today is optimal for him; he's controlled 2 of our lynches and from this point all his other team needs to do is stay moderately active. Both teams are free to breadcrumb around to their heart's content because killing Ace in a 3-2 scenario if he's red just leads us to another 2-1 Lylo which means town has a less than 25% chance at victory with random choice.
Put simply; Ace is doing what he normally does as mafia. He throws shit around at targets that he thinks he'll be able to target safely and sits back making pithy one liner chaff posts. Good thing Ace has done that twice in the past 5 posts.
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L vs. Ace is hilarious. I'm rereading this argument, and I think everyone should do the same, because while it easily could be two paranoid townies throwing mud at each other, there could be some very real stuff in here to look at.
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well since lax did nikon, and i wanted to look at that team i guess ill go more indepth at zyrre
1.
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
wtf is this? I'm leaning towards him, why leaning, why not cast the first vote? Might it look bad? Is bm really that confusing?
Are there any original ideas in this post? Nope, just agreeing with someone and leaning towards someone we now know is town 100%.
2.
What's the purpose of the mafia roleblocker in Setup 2 that flamewheel posted? It seems like he wont be able to block anything.
he already explained this but i still think it's something to keep in the back of your mind, why wouldnt he just pm flamewheel. I dont actually know the answer to this question myself but why wouldnt he?
3.
This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them.
Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages.
I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me.
scum radar alert! Why would townies have to go with weak arguments? Townies could be just as retarded and go with anything when there's so little info, we have good enough players that can make good enough arguments as it is.
Blah blah mind games saying im not red could be red etc loop
his arguments and plans still feel 'off', i already addressed this before, that has to be the worst logic ive ever seen for casting a vote, and as we all know now, we know this team is green even if they acted stupid so surely a red would go 'oh i could vote for the crazy town team and it wont look bad'
HE CASTED HIS VOTE AFTER GOING AGAINST WHAT HE JUST SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF HE WERE TO VOTE AN ACTIVE PLAYER.
4.
The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it.
meh some mind game stuff you can pull out of this, but it's his explanation for it. Simple i guess
5.
Several players posted about BM's early posting with flawed logic and at that time I posted I was leaning towards him. I now responded to one of his latest post(partly directed at me), and explained why it was wrong.
Do you want me to quote it all in one post? It seems unnecessary.
doesnt really give any reason other than, oh im siding with people that obviously some of them have to be town so it makes me look more pro town but i really have no reasons of my own
note: STILL NO REASON FOR VOTE, just he 'felt' off
6.
Ok, I'll stop using that word and be more specific. The last sentence was just a badly worded summary.
still no come back from my attacks at his reasoning, just empty defenses
7.One is a simple clarification + me actually disagreeing with YI because I did not understand the voting rules (teams are lynched instead of players).
The other would not be anything to go on if we would flip red. YI posted a whole lot, he pointed something out that seemed reasonable and that I would therefore base my voting on.
I don't see how you can call this kissing up.
openly admitting just band wagoning on a vote, though i guess this isnt the worst thing in the world for the first vote, but still these are pretty shallow and weak reasons for a vote.
8.
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
ok fuck you. This is the second post where you're like 'this team is very likely to be mafia' and now you're adding well another team might be, IMO, WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR OPINION? You didnt state any reason for saying why bums team might be mafia. You're just trying to throw in little jabs.
Voting staying on bm for obvious reasons, if they are so obvious can you please point them out? Sigh this is looking so weak to me. Plus my read on bums team is quite green at this point so it makes me think you KNOW both of those teams are green and you'd be fine killing either of them
.Yeah Korynne, since more and more are switching frmo my team I will probably switch my vore later on.
switching your vote cause others are, not for logical reasons, not for something you truly see as supsicious. POST some content man
10.Reading through this it does sound convincing.
L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself.
BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
first post with any reasoning behind anything. But this stuff isnt backed up by a vote, it's just well this person could be mafia and someone who doesnt seem like mafia is going after non mafia stuff seems unlikely confusing emptyness.
Well until anything else comes up for me im voting team 7.
Could people tell me what they think, is my first level reasoning too weak here? Are these adequate scum reads? Both him and his team mate have been among the more inactive people, and both of them have voted for the only two teams i really think are green, one of which is now dead.
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damn then L has to go post that while im making my post, good stuff to think about though. As it goes on my why didnt one of those good teams die theory, even though that can get meta gamed to hell
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Radfield + Korynne was a good team, but them being killed when they got killed; as suspicions were ramping up against Korynne means mafia is framing someone or one of the two strongly believed a team was mafia and was correct about it.
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hmmm and now to devour this paltry attempt at a smear campaign.
You'll generally notice 2 similar trends; An attempt to shit on players without providing much in the way of productive work. Ace of all players loves talking about blue strategy, yet he didn't bother talking about potential medic targets; Odd seeing as he's fucking Ace and Ace normally gets shot early. He didn't talk about DTs either, He didn't ask for anyone to be checked.
No I don't. It's very well known that I always says Player ability is much more important than Blue roles. That is of all things one of the reasons I'm the best player on these forums - regardless of whatever I flip I'm leading you to scum. Secondly why would I talk about DTs or Medics when we aren't even sure if we have any?
You're saying that because I don't talk about Dts/Medics even though I don't always do it, therefore I'm playing scummy. I've just shut that down. But as usual that's not even the fun part because now I get to trash your silly quoting of Zona's past posts.
It seems like his prime focus has been trying to breadcrumb to set up lynches. Ace pushed very strongly against Chez/BM using their posting style as an excuse, much the same way he used judge's claim during the game this is referenced from as an excuse.
Wrong. Look at my last post I proved you wrong in which you still haven't answered. I explained why I voted for Bm and Chez. I'll quote it again for you here:
I said I had a pre-game grudge against them? Did I use that as the basis for my vote or did I say BM was throwing around terms he saw on mafiascum.net incorrectly to justify his vote, threw around several accusations wily nilly, spammed the thread, switched votes several times in the day and had no clear idea on who he thought was guilty? Or how about when I said BM and Chez were playing badly by talking nonsense. Oh how about when I called him out for his "theory" on the 3rd voter on a wagon being scum and showed how it was wrong?
Once again you are making things up. I called T2 out on their play in THIS GAME. Spamming, multiple vote switching, massive accusations, blatant misuse of terms and game theory - all behavior that did not help the town.
Generally Ace's mafia play in low number setups to cruise along while attempting to appear active without providing something akin to a forward looking plan. He heaps suspicion on people, then has the rest of his team casually flit in and out of fights he causes.
So let's assume this is true (which it isn't) - If my playstyle is to lay low and cruise then why am I so active in this game? I was one of the most active players all Day 1. Hell I was more active than you yourself but yet I was laying low? Another blatant lie. Let's move on because I like the taste of your scum blood:
Yes indeed let's look at it. In fact I'll list all of them myself:
+ Show Spoiler [All of Ace's posts in this thread] +
Oh my, what do we have here
My first post of the game. My intro into the wonderful world of MafiaActually I don't get the DT role that often. I don't really like the role that much because most people are terrible when they get it. Me telling Yellow Ink that he was wrong and I don't roll DT that much. I even tell him most people are terrible at it.
I think you guys are makign a mistake. Just because a team has two people doesn't mean they will generate more or less content, or that sharing a role means they will act a certain way. I think almost everyone is going to play standard because sharing a role doesn't imply a change in posting behavior.
Me discussing the effects of Team play vs individual play.
I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look.
However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early.
My first instance of pointing out Bill's logic was faulty against YI. He falsely claimed we were out of the RVS and voted for BAL. Him and Chez were typing in morse code when they can just simply PM each other. Of course you think it's their style when it was clearly spam which multiple players commented on. I even said they can't breadcrumb anything when there is nothing to breadcrumb on Day 1. Notice I even ask are we voting on the most useless people because inactivity should not be problem - throwing away the typical lets lynch inactives idea. Of course you'll say this isn't much of a plan.
How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum.
My response to Chezinu when he made the ridiculous claim that T1 has to be DT or Mafia. This was one of my earliest flags on calling them for faulty logic.
I've said that you were useless for like what, the past 8 months now? This isn't a new opinion at all.
Chezinu asked me why my opinion of him changed and I answered his question by letting him know I thought he sucked for a while now.
That doesn't mean it's them telling on themselves that they are blue. Both of them aren't typical dumb players that ask questions leading to them being outted. Besides just because someone talks about a power role is not a good basis on putting them in the Mafia or Blue camp. Otherwise for all the games you've played you would have a better scum hunting rank don't you think?
Chezinu claimed that players discussing blue roles tend to be blue and I said that's not typically true. I also point out that T1 wasn't a team of players unwise enough to do that.
Agreed. I also think the way it works is that Teams check Teams, not players checking players. So checking 1 person out a 3 person team isn't really a significant advantage or disadvantage.
Me agreeing with DCLXVI about how DT checks possibly work.
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot.
Me telling you and BM that you do not know what an OMGUS vote tells.
well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb.
Discussing revenge voting with Bill Murray here based on the OMGUS quote. This is also my first response to Ls bad logic which I'll illustrate again in my next post.
No such thing. If X, then Y doesn't apply here unless we have process of elimination. There's also no such thing as a too risky play unless you have perfect information. You don't know their roles so you can't claim what they may possibly do is too risky. Both teams could be scum because no one has been cleared via DT or behavior at all.
My response to YI's idea of if one player being X then the other being Y. Once again I'm discussing game play ideas and why such and such won't work. Contrary to your idea earlier this is actually the second time I'm discussing Detectives in the game.
So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy?
Explain this more.
Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
My first time directly calling you on your bullshit. You never admitted to being wrong about the host balancing teams either. So this was your first try at lightweight tagging me that I shot down. I also point out that your premise fails if T5 flips scum. You never even explained it anymore after that.
We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant.
I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right?
Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up.
Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist.
Once again I point out your logical fallacies here. This is pretty much a rehash of the previous post where I tell you your logic doesn't add up and I call you on making stuff up.
Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion.
BM asked me a question and I answered him here: It was about his argument with YI.
I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either.
More of me disdaining L for his mini tantrums and calling other's logic absurd when he makes the most ridiculous stories up.
no problem. I was planning on talking a lot anyway this game so you don't lead the town to depths of hell like you normally do.
Guess who this is in reply to? L. Look at the quote here:
In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
So how can you say I'm talking more than I would have otherwise but accuse me of laying low? Blatant contradiction here.
Hey I can't stop people from doing what they want. But if you want to argue about who's a better player we both know that won't last long ^_^
My retort to L in which he tried to say something about another game to mock me.
I'm scumhunting. I already said I don't believe BM/Chez to be townies. If that's not a blatant accusation along with my matching vote in the thread I don't know what game you're reading.
My reply to L in which he accuses me of not scumhunting. Notice right now that both of us have 2 different ideas on what entails finding scum: L uses various pokes and prods and mass accusations to get "results" where as I have multitudes of techniques such as laying traps, lead questioning, heavy behavior analysis and deadly game theory. One of us has an excellent reputation while the other doesn't.
why do I even bother
This is me just about ignoring Ls nonsense that has nothing to do with the current game. I'm not going to discuss what he thinks is or is not scumhunting because I already know he is very bad at it while I'm just that good.
I think the reason you two aren't getting a lot of flak is because a couple of players are setting off everyone's radar.
Korynne asks why her team isn't getting burned by inactivity and I just tell her a few players are acting so scummy everyone is ignoring them.
no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense.
This was an instance of the "3rd vote = scum" theory that I shut down. Notice I explain the basis of the theory and why it was an arbitrary number like 3. By this point I'm pretty annoyed with BM's scummy behavior: That's 2 terms from MS that he has misused in attempt to build arguments against players. Right about now if I was scum why the hell would I want to stop that? As scum I'd be fucking proud that BM is a townie spreading misinformation in his arguments to lynch other players.
Don't worry, I think L is just as scummy as you are.
BM says my scumdar is off and I assure him I think L is just as fishy.
calm down. Like I said I think L is just as scummy as you are. I just refuse to vote for Team 7 because I don't think them being inactive = them being scum. Your team and Ls team just come off as better candidates for a lynch so far.
Bill Murray urges me to reconsider my stance on him and I tell him to calm down because I think once again L is just as scummy. I also tell him I don't believe in voting off T7 on the basis of inactivity being a scum tell.
Oh trust me I've considered it. While I pegged you as scummy, and chezinu as doing his brain dead act - L has been causing confusion, pointing tons of fingers while Caller has been pretty much lurking. I'm really close to switching my vote trust me.
More discussion with BM on my stance with him. Notice at this point I admit I'm very close to switching my vote to L/Caller.
I think you're the only one that read bum/lax as scummy. What did they do that was so bad anyway? They aren't inactive and they haven't really thrown around many FOSs.
Also hanging BM/Chez and them not flipping red gives you more information how? Be specific because everyone uses that line. Killing people for the sake of information is one of the scummiest arguments we've seen on this forum (looking at you L).
This was me asking T5 what was so bad about T3. They were the only ones who read them as scummy. YI also made a logic error in saying BM/Chez flipping red gives him more information. I correctly point out that a lot of people say this as the basis for lynching when it's not always true. L does this lots of times and I point that out.
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum.
I question RFs decision to go after T9 over T2. I explicitly state that a lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scum.At this point I'm pretty convinced T2 is scum.
@YI: No it doesn't. That logic does not hold up. Bm/Chez flipping red/green don't have any basis on bum/laxer flipping red/green. There is nothing to compare between the 2 teams.
More talk to YI about the problem with his idea that one team flipping red/green implies what the other team will flip.
I actually get clueless newbie vibes from Team 9. In fact they are like a clone of Team 7 just less aggressive when confronted so far. I think they really are just not going to post a lot until at he point of damn near inevitable lynch.
Discussion with Radfield on T7 and T9.So no one else has a problem with blatant vote manipulation plans? It's empty statements like that that make me keep my vote on you. BM stop using terms you do not understand. Seriously, just stop. These were statements in response to BM switching his vote around a lot. I thought he was scum trying to push any bandwagon that he could find.
Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us.
Right here I crash the logic party of BM. I sense things may get out of hand and T2 may get off the hook and urge the town to go after them. I've already nailed BM for 3 things by this point: bad theory, blatantly lying about what RVS means and vote manipulation. By this point in the day I'm 100% committed to them.
I haven't even pushed a single policy lynch this game. Why are you making stuff up? Find an instance of me calling for a policy lynch. I dare you.
BM blatantly lying about me going off on policy lynches. You can read all the previous posts of mines and notice I never even debated policy. If anything a policy lynch would involve me wanting to lynch inactives. Also notice not once have I debated about BM/Chez's playstyle. All my reasoning has been based on what has happened in the thread.
I haven't demanded anyone to play a certain way. Once again you are lying about my play this game. My vote on you stays.
BM says I'm demanding him of playing a certain way when I've never even tried to. More lying. My vote stays.
this much vote switching = an innocent is getting killed. No way actual townies have any reason to switch around votes if their minds are already made up.
Right here I point out that the multiple vote swings is going to get an innocent killed. There's no reason for townies to be changing their votes a lot when nothing major has happened yet. Only scum would have incentive to hop on and off bandwagons.
I don't see what the big deal is. She explicitly stated she was going to vote for Chez/BM so they couldn't save themselves - obviously at that point she made up her mind.
Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be scum because of the vote switch then you should ask yourself why didn't they vote for the other teams that were also in hot water. I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. I said it like 4 times but the only person even close to their scum level is L.
Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. If he did then he should have voted/persuaded others ages before the deadline. I don't know what he was waiting for but it's just as ridiculous to blame someone for another person's death while said person has the chance to save themselves.
Me pointing out that Korynne is not scummy for closing the vote on T2. This goes on for a while.On June 25 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 03:48 L wrote:Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No. Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play. Show nested quote +Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant. The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading. Show nested quote +Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either. If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched. Show nested quote +I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs. [ I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because? Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum. Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works. Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out? Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were. A long summary of basically Day 1 with Korynne's vote. I call L out for at this point accusing multiple teams and making up theories.
Don't worry that's Ls terrible style of play. If someone that everyone but himself thinks is scummy and playing badly when they flip innocent L will come in turning a blind eye to why the players were lynched and start pointing fingers at everyone. Like I said there's a reason he has a reputation of being a bad player.
I've already made my mind L is Scum at this point. Korynne notes that we all agreed T2 was spamming up the thread and that since they died we've been having real discussion. L is trying to play the blame game.On June 25 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:1.) I don't care if their standard play when they are town is to play like idiots. If you play badly and play scummy you get lynched - this is not a hard concept to understand. 2.) It wasn't going to tip. If it was going to tip then surely SOMEBODY would have voted to tip them right? You're trying to create a scenario that wasn't there. If you want to speak for Chez saying he could have saved himself then speak for him and explain to us why he didn't. You can't. Thanks. 3.) Show nested quote +
oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.
What? This doesn't even make sense. Who are these people that voted for other reasons than believe that T2 were mafia. If you truly believe those people then I'm asking you again what game are you playing. You also forget a vast majority doesn't decide the vote here. So that point is null. Once again you are spouting nonsense to make it seem as if T2 deserved to live despite their scummy play. 4.) Korynne's vote wasn't random - she explained what she was going to do WELL in advance of the deadline. Stop falsifying people's actions. It's not worth looking at because it didn't change anything. T2 had more than enough time - hours - to convince people they weren't scum. They failed. Chez also had a chance to use his vote right? He failed. Don't blame someone else for their death when they had all time in the world to save themselves. Emotional reaction? where are you pulling this shit from? I never even implied that you said teams 7 and 9 are innocent. I specifically said you threw them out of the equation and pointed at the rest of us. How does that even compute? I said I had a pre-game grudge against them? Did I use that as the basis for my vote or did I say BM was throwing around terms he saw on mafiascum.net incorrectly to justify his vote, threw around several accusations wily nilly, spammed the thread, switched votes several times in the day and had no clear idea on who he thought was guilty? Or how about when I said BM and Chez were playing badly by talking nonsense. Oh how about when I called him out for his "theory" on the 3rd voter on a wagon being scum and showed how it was wrong? See once again you are blatantly lying about what's going on in the game. Now you even try to play the "your bad" card that no one will believe. So far I've caught you making shit up, misrepresenting myself and other players' positions on day 1 and trying to stave off T2s bad play as everyone else's fault. Yup, my scumdar is beeping again. Me slamming L for his multiple lies. This was addressed earlier and I'm going to bring this back up in a later post.
Bill your dead. Delete your posts and move on.
Bill Murray had posted something and I told him to stop posting after death.
I don't want to call him scummy yet because right now L is definitely #1 in my book. DCLXVI is along the same veins of making up conspiracy theories and motives that don't support what actually happened. Really he could just be confused.
The problem here is players don't look at the game as a whole and just isolate events. So they don't understand why certain things have played out the way they did so far. The result? Said players end up jumping into specific points of the game ignoring everything and getting into arguments because they just don't want to understand what has happened so far.
Discussion with Korynne about L and DCLXVI. At this point I'm already sure L is scum. I just don't want to reveal it as me being 100% sure yet because I'm not too sure about T1 either. I also don't want to force my hand to early - I sometimes like to let scum dig their own graves. Last time L and Dr.H were scum I caught both of them at the same time because they made some pretty bad logical arguments and tried to force them through.Not surprisingly this is happening again.
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know.
Korynne asks me to make a convincing case about L and I point out I have one on the previous page.
I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision.
Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
I correct Radfield because he thought I was surprised about T2's play. I point out I definitely was not. I just nailed them for playing scummy.
Not at all. Players that always play scummy usually always end up getting killed. Remember the goal of the game is to find scum: In the absence of overwhelming evidence against another team the scummiest players get lynched.
But don't think I ignored every other player in the game so far. Just because I don't say anything about other players doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Better to solve 1 piece of the puzzle at a time.
More discussion with Radield on it. On June 26 2010 09:01 Ace wrote:I don't think it's fair to claim that my team being alive means were scum. There's a lot of WIFOM in that assumption and no one knows for sure why T1 was popped except scum. Instead of trying to attribute the possibility or us being scum to our survival maybe you should realize if we're that good there's a chance the people doing the hits were scared of medic prots. Lastly bumatlarge I don't know where this came from: Show nested quote +
I've got a strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia. It might not seem like team 4 has done much to warrant it, but I know first hand darth can act completely pro-town, especially in a game with no clues. I'm sure Ace has the ability to play right along side that style of play. Id think L only because hes been so negative in this thread and has acted generally underwhelmed by most everyone's play. But Im not too scared of the prospect of L being mafia. I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today.
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed.
Who are these people? So far the only person who has made more than a passing remark that we may be scum is L. No one else has so how did you even come to that conclusion? Discussion and response to BAL saying because we're good we must be scum.
So L where are all my 1 liner's and tossing shit at people? Point them out. I just posted every one of my posts in the game with explanations and you can't find an instance of it.Once again I caught you lying. . You said I didn't bother to "unpack any ideas" - I just pointed out discussions with Bill Murray, YI, Radfield, Korynne and Bumatlarge where game theory, implications of a lynch, who's bullshitting, logical misleaps, vote swinging behavior and even your bad play were examined. What are you reading?
What? First of all let's be straight here - Bill Murray says a lot of things. He claimed I didn't help the town when the entire time I was discussing strategy or pointing out logical fallacies. How is that not helping the town? Where on that page do I say anything about BM/Chez's playstyle. Quote it!. You can't because it didn't happen - once again you're lying.
The fact that it isn't. Ace does the same with me at a later point. But those are kinda just little peanuts ontop of the sundae. The main scoop is here: Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:On June 25 2010 09:35 Radfield wrote:On June 25 2010 06:46 Zyrre wrote:On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote:
I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. Incorrect, some of Ace's posts seem scummy. Particularly the fact that he pushed hard for Team 2, when I think he should have known better. It's almost like he was surprised they were shitting up the thread. However, I agree with him that L seems scummy. He's near the top of my list, but what really puts me off is Caller quitting. I really don't think Caller would have bailed on the game if he'd gotten a mafia role. It's strange, but this alone gives Team 6 some townie cred. If we do lynch L, and he flips green, I propose we go after Ace. Why? Because it means one of two things: Ace is a mafia and has led us to lynch two townies, or, Ace is town, playing extremely poorly and has led us to lynch two townies. Ace is not a poor player. If his actions and analysis are giving poor results, then he needs to be questioned for it. Teams I'm ok lynching: Team 4, Team 6, Team 9. However, if Team 4 flips red, then Zyrre needs to be held accountable for his above post. If I was mafia what would I do. First, railroad the two spammers, easily done, they basically lynch themselves. Second, go after L, he's inflammatory, he makes occasionally poor arguments, and he'll probably turn everyone against himself anyways. Third hasn't happened yet, but mine would be to pick on whomever the most inactive/newbie team is, and try to convince everyone they are scum. Most newbie teams have a ton of scumtells whether they are mafia or not(See team 9). So far Ace has two checkmarks., but of course if L flips red then Ace is likely green. I wasn't surprised at all. I think you are making a big mistake about my play here: I don't care what a player's supposed normal behavior is. If you play scummy and do ridiculous things I will vote for you. There is no excuse such as "I always play bad when I'm town" and thats how I made my decision. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. The problem here should be obvious. We have 7 people alive. After a lynch on me we'd have 5 people alive. 3 town. 2 mafia. Lylo. If Ace is town and he's cool with being lynched, we lose the game. No townie would gladly accept being killed in Lylo because it's a loss. Ace is cool with it. Probably because Ace is trying to garner support for a push. Even if Ace is red, being able to kill me today is optimal for him; he's controlled 2 of our lynches and from this point all his other team needs to do is stay moderately active. Both teams are free to breadcrumb around to their heart's content because killing Ace in a 3-2 scenario if he's red just leads us to another 2-1 Lylo which means town has a less than 25% chance at victory with random choice. Put simply; Ace is doing what he normally does as mafia. He throws shit around at targets that he thinks he'll be able to target safely and sits back making pithy one liner chaff posts. Good thing Ace has done that twice in the past 5 posts.
Once again a blatant lie. I'm definitely not cool with being lynched. Where did I state that? Radfield is discussing implications of what it means if one of us die. I make it clear that if you flip innocent then they can do as they please. In both of our posts neither one of us talk about me getting lynched so where do you get the idea that I'm cool with being lynched. It doesn't exist.
Secondly lets get to LYLO. Barring Medic protection we already know if we mislynch today we go into that tomorrow. You make the assumption that I gladly accept to be killed in a LYLO when that was disproved in the previous paragraph. Once again I caught you grasping for straws.
Now you claim I'm doing what I "normally do as mafia." Let's be clear here - nothing that Zona tagged me for being Mafia in the 1 past game has happened here. I've proved you wrong by quoting all my posts in this game:
1.) You said I was laying low - wrong.
2.) You said I was throwing shit at players - wrong
3.) You said I've been throwing around "pithy one line chaff posts" - wrong. I've got tons of quoted posts showing me in discussion and all my one liners are in response to player's questions. I don't have a single chaff post except my very first post in the game introducing myself to the thread.
See. Once again I've bagged you for falsely representing my position. Blatant lying. You're definitely getting my vote but in my next post a couple of hours from now I'm going to implicate you in shooting T1 last night. You're definitely scum.
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No I don't. It's very well known that I always says Player ability is much more important than Blue roles. That is of all things one of the reasons I'm the best player on these forums - regardless of whatever I flip I'm leading you to scum. Secondly why would I talk about DTs or Medics when we aren't even sure if we have any?
No, that's not very well known at all. In fact the moment we started switching to F11, you stopped
playing consistently. Judge's comments in that game alone were pretty on the money about your play.
Why would you talk about DTs or Medics if we aren't even sure if we have any?
Is that a joke? DTs checking certain players over others and keeping good players alive seems to be a pretty pro-town thing. I guess you disagree, but that seems typical because you aren't here to win, you're here to survive until day 3.
Wrong. Look at my last post I proved you wrong in which you still haven't answered. I explained why I voted for Bm and Chez. I'll quote it again for you here: Completely right.
Even the post you quoted that 'exonerates you' supports my statement that you railed on BM and Chez's posting style. The RVS analysis is pretty hilarious, because BM's usage was textbook correct. He basically talked about one of the jeep tells, which is standard. The rest is LITERALLY YOU HARPING ON THEIR POSTING STYLE. You don't like their style of posting. You don't like the amount of pushing they do. You didn't like the volume of their posts.
You literally defend yourself by quoting evidence against yourself. Sorry bro. Not gonna cut it.
Once again you are making things up. I called T2 out on their play in THIS GAME. Spamming, multiple vote switching, massive accusations, blatant misuse of terms and game theory - all behavior that did not help the town. Whoa. You called them out on shit that you said you disliked in them from previous games. Shocker. Somehow that means you didn't try to import a pre-game bias despite arguing directly from it?!
AMAZING CONCLUSION ACE. NEXT WILL YOU TELL US UP IS DOWN AND LEFT IS RIGHT?
So let's assume this is true (which it isn't) - If my playstyle is to lay low and cruise then why am I so active in this game? I was one of the most active players all Day 1. Hell I was more active than you yourself but yet I was laying low? Another blatant lie. Let's move on because I like the taste of your scum blood You aren't active. You're tossing out 1 liner shit posts and throwing crap in my and t2's direction. You haven't done a single constructive thing besides that.
Like I said, you feign activity but dont' produce proper work for the town, exactly like Zato describes in his analysis of your play. It has nothing to do with post volume, but post content.
But okay, pretend that's a 'BLATANT LIE'. Seems everything anyone says about you must be one.
So L where are all my 1 liner's and tossing shit at people You uh, seem to have forgotten that the two posts prior to the post I'm quoting you in have been 1 liners wherein you've tossed shit at me.
LITERALLY WITHIN THE LAST 10 POSTS, TWO OF YOUR POSTS ARE OF THE TYPE THAT YOU ARE PRETENDING YOU ARE NOT MAKING.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DESPERATION.
Where on that page do I say anything about BM/Chez's playstyle. Quote it!. You can't because it didn't happen - once again you're lying.
Well, your narrative against their playstyle is pretty much all across the thread (including the post i am replying to), but are you referring to me saying that you said they lied? If so:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#455
Oh shit, I quoted it. There you are straight up calling them liars (again, because EVERYONE LIES ALL THE TIME RIGHT?!). BM wasn't lying. I proved that in my post. You are just trying to discredit him with your bullshit, as you're trying to do with me.
Its pretty obvious that your goal here isn't to do much else than discredit people then push for their lynch. You did it with BM, you're trying to do it with me.
Once again a blatant lie No, actually it isn't.
I'm definitely not cool with being lynched. Where did I state that?
Right here champ.
Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please.
You basically try to wriite this off that no one's talking about being lynched, when you have a gigantic radfield confirmed green post saying that if I die and flip green, you're 100% red. You reply with "ok do whatever you want at that point". If you're town you don't want people 'doing what they want' if you get the lynch on me wrong (and it is indeed wrong), because it automatically loses the game.
You're trying to twist your way out of this, but its pretty obvious that you're running outta rope.
See. Once again I've bagged you for falsely representing my position. Blatant lying. You're definitely getting my vote but in my next post a couple of hours from now I'm going to implicate you in shooting T1 last night. You're definitely scum. See? Zato's analysis is 100% right. You make empty posts that feign activity, throw shit around, then try to get people lynched without adding anything to the town. Pretending everyone 'lies' when they push you doesn't make what they say lies.
You 100% fit the profile of Mafia Ace. You are Scum.
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You just posted the same bullshit you posted before without any evidence. Where are the 1 liners L? Where is my talking about their posting style? The JEEP tells are outdated tells from newbie games. BM was wrong about RVS. My play hasn't been consistent since we started using F11? Er what? Another baseless accusation.
QUOTE SPECIFIC POSTS L. Where is the evidence?
Literally this is what you do:
1.) Say I did or didn't do something.
2.) Claim because of 1, I must be scum.
3.) Tie it into an argument that doesn't exist. Example: Me railing on BMs playstyle, me making 1 liner chaff posts, me not scum hunting.
My previous post proved you wrong.
Secondly Zato's analysis of that game doesn't fit this game. Where are the chaff posts L? Where are the posts that say nothing? You can't find them. Your making shit up and I got you running now.
You STILL haven't responded to my post earlier in the game in which you mis-represented my position and you're doing it again. "Of course if L flips blue/green you can definitely do what you want" -> me being cool with being lynched.
I'm going to put a stop to your shitty logic. Your getting lynched and I'm going to go all out to make sure every townie sees what we do. Unlike past games where I had to damn near vote for everyone to get you lynched I've got an ally in DTA here so it's going to be much easier.
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Im very glad we have 48 hours for lynching, as we now have to really read into what ace and L have posted so far. I suggest everyone do the same. Not trying to make people ignore the other teams, but everyone should comment on L and Ace, to imply they read into it.
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YellowInk, Divinek, Brownbear -- change your votes. We've got scum right here. We are not losing this game because everyone doesn't want to focus on the same target.
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On June 26 2010 13:15 bumatlarge wrote:
Im very glad we have 48 hours for lynching, as we now have to really read into what ace and L have posted so far. I suggest everyone do the same. Not trying to make people ignore the other teams, but everyone should comment on L and Ace, to imply they read into it.
Basically. I want everyone to read these past 2 pages and discuss it. And make damn sure if you're confused read the entire thread all over.
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On June 26 2010 13:13 Ace wrote:
You just posted the same bullshit you posted before without any evidence. Where are the 1 liners L? Where is my talking about their posting style? The JEEP tells are outdated tells from newbie games. BM was wrong about RVS. My play hasn't been consistent since we started using F11? Er what? Another baseless accusation.
QUOTE SPECIFIC POSTS L. Where is the evidence?
Literally this is what you do:
1.) Say I did or didn't do something.
2.) Claim because of 1, I must be scum.
3.) Tie it into an argument that doesn't exist. Example: Me railing on BMs playstyle, me making 1 liner chaff posts, me not scum hunting.
My previous post proved you wrong.
Secondly Zato's analysis of that game doesn't fit this game. Where are the chaff posts L? Where are the posts that say nothing? You can't find them. Your making shit up and I got you running now.
You STILL haven't responded to my post earlier in the game in which you mis-represented my position and you're doing it again. "Of course if L flips blue/green you can definitely do what you want" -> me being cool with being lynched.
I'm going to put a stop to your shitty logic. Your getting lynched and I'm going to go all out to make sure every townie sees what we do. Unlike past games where I had to damn near vote for everyone to get you lynched I've got an ally in DTA here so it's going to be much easier.
Ace, if you weren't grasping at straws, you'd go look at your last 4 posts. 2 of them are literally shit throwing one liners. They are at the bottom of page 34.
There are plenty of fucking chaff posts, LIKE THE TWO MENTIONED ABOVE. Rest of your post is literally the same "you're a liar, neener neener" bullshit. You can ignore the evidence that was vomited straight out in front of you and pretend it isn't there, but that's okay; the rest of the town won't. The BM/Chez business is pretty obvious to anyone who read your argumentation, too.
You're scum. You got found out. Just make sure to give me a happy smiley face when you die so that I know you aren't ACTUALLY butthurt. I'd hate to lose my best mafia buddy.
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jesus if ace and L are both town, then the mafia did a great job of not hitting either of them last night.
every time i read one of their posts, i think the other is scum.
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Well, actually now its 4 out of your past 6 posts are shit throwing one liners.
Thanks for makin' this easy.
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L those are NOT chaff posts.
Line by line post PROOF of me railing on BM/Chez because of their playstyle. Don't give us a link to a search result: POST IT.
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF L. Where is the posts of me sitting back not doing anything? How come you didn't address where I called you out for contradicting yourself? You said when I'm scum I sit back and and watch the town devour itself but earlier in the game I pulled a quote of you saying your glad I'm talking alot.
Come on, I'm pulling your lies and contradictions up left and right and you have no answer except to post the same junk. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF L SHOW US.
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Off topic but a few terms im not faniliar with
-lylo
-ebwop?
-jeep
im sure they are those watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word, but i cant put my finger on them
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On June 26 2010 13:25 Ace wrote:
L those are NOT chaff posts.
Line by line post PROOF of me railing on BM/Chez because of their playstyle. Don't give us a link to a search result: POST IT.
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF L. Where is the posts of me sitting back not doing anything? How come you didn't address where I called you out for contradicting yourself? You said when I'm scum I sit back and and watch the town devour itself but earlier in the game I pulled a quote of you saying your glad I'm talking alot.
Come on, I'm pulling your lies and contradictions up left and right and you have no answer except to post the same junk. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF L SHOW US.
I did post proof. Go read my posts in the last 2 pages. If you're too myopic to read the words on the fucking page, me re-posting shit isn't going to change anything.
I was even charitable and used your OWN FUCKING EXCUSE POST as an example.
As for the bolded portion, no, I quoted Zato's analysis. You don't 'sit back and make no posts'. You 'sit back and provide no positive contributions'. You DO post a lot, you just don't say very much. In this game you avoided talking about blue targets, didn't bother thinking about how to trap mafia with a medic list. Didnt' get into a discussion about how to use DT checks to pressure people.
You.
Did.
Nothing.
Well, besides try your best to bus BM/Chez and paint me red. Radfield caught on to your stupidity and I figured I'd give you a full profile using Zato's post, which you yourself described as a spot on analysis post game. Good thing you're now pretending that isn't how you play mafia, amongst other things.
Enjoy that Ace. Its the sound of your bullshit thorned defense getting shredded.
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On June 26 2010 13:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Off topic but a few terms im not faniliar with
-lylo
-ebwop?
-jeep
im sure they are those watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word, but i cant put my finger on them
Lylo is lynch or lose, a situation in which town has to lynch a mafia or it loses numerically.
EBWOP is editing by using another post.
Jeep tells were a bunch of tells that some mafia wizard used, then he revealed them and veteran players quickly stay away from them. New people do them quite often if they don't know about them, though.
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LYLO = lynch or lose. The town is in a situation where if we mislynch game is over.
ebwop = edited by way of post
jeep = a player on ms who had a list of tells. These are outdated tells that will point you to Scum. These only work in newbie games because after playing with decent players no scum would be dumb enough to do some of those things. Also the tells were bashed because a lot of them coincided with things townies do also.
A lot of people throw these terms around as "evidence" to support their arguments without even knowing what they mean or the background behind them.
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On June 26 2010 13:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Off topic but a few terms im not faniliar with
-lylo
-ebwop?
-jeep
im sure they are those watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word, but i cant put my finger on them
LYLO: Lynch-Or-Lose = A stage in the game where the town must lynch scum or they will lose the game
EBWOP or EBWODP: Edit By Way Of (Double) Post. Because actual editing of posts in mafia games is forbidden on MafiaScum, the only way to "edit" a post which contains an error is to make another post containing the correction.
Jeep is just some dude who made a list of doc,cop,scum tells for newbies
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I am first. I am the winner. Choo Choo.
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Where are specific quotes L?
Where are the jeep tells pointing out I'm scum?
Where is it MAN POST IT.
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Where are the jeep tells pointing out you're scum?
LOL.
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE THIRD VOTE IN THE RVS PHASE THAT BILL MURRAY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A JEEP TELL.
THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN BEING AN ANNOYING PISSANT.
As for the posts you're looking for, I already pointed you to them :3. Now be a big boy and read my posts instead of getting your slobbery vagina tears all over the mafia thread.
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Oh wow, I just realized you were trying to spam my post that nailed you away. Good move.
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I think flamewheel would not appreciate the um, slobbery vagina tears comment. Actually I don't really know what his line is, but try to keep it civil just to be safe. xD
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On June 26 2010 13:41 L wrote:
Where are the jeep tells pointing out you're scum?
LOL.
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE THIRD VOTE IN THE RVS PHASE THAT BILL MURRAY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A JEEP TELL.
THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN BEING AN ANNOYING PISSANT.
As for the posts you're looking for, I already pointed you to them :3. Now be a big boy and read my posts instead of getting your slobbery vagina tears all over the mafia thread.
Got ya!
Here is the tell right here: http://67.222.17.61/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
# Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15)
So if you are using this as a basis for me being scum show me where I'm the third vote on a wagon. Go ahead.
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On June 26 2010 13:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 13:41 L wrote:
Where are the jeep tells pointing out you're scum?
LOL.
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE THIRD VOTE IN THE RVS PHASE THAT BILL MURRAY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A JEEP TELL.
THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN BEING AN ANNOYING PISSANT.
As for the posts you're looking for, I already pointed you to them :3. Now be a big boy and read my posts instead of getting your slobbery vagina tears all over the mafia thread. Got ya! Here is the tell right here: http://67.222.17.61/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_MafiaSo if you are using this as a basis for me being scum show me where I'm the third vote on a wagon. Go ahead.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#451
Got ya!
Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us.
Its not a random theory. Its a jeep tell. You tried to hound bill on his 'faulty logic', but he was pulling one of the most standard pieces of analysis. Weak Ace. Now you're thinking I'm applying the Jeep tell to you? Herp Derp.
I'm talking about the You/Bill spat, champ. Get with the times. Get those cataracts removed so you can read the text in front of you before getting smug.
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I mean, I'm downright amazed at how thick you've been this past page to the point where I think it has to be intentional to completely sidetrack the conversation.
Please reread the last two-three pages if not the entire game.
I'm going to get some sleep, if I don't you'll just keep the spam up.
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i think ace and L have different definitions of "throwing shit" at players
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On June 26 2010 13:57 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 13:48 Ace wrote:On June 26 2010 13:41 L wrote:
Where are the jeep tells pointing out you're scum?
LOL.
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE THIRD VOTE IN THE RVS PHASE THAT BILL MURRAY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A JEEP TELL.
THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN BEING AN ANNOYING PISSANT.
As for the posts you're looking for, I already pointed you to them :3. Now be a big boy and read my posts instead of getting your slobbery vagina tears all over the mafia thread. Got ya! Here is the tell right here: http://67.222.17.61/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
# Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15)
So if you are using this as a basis for me being scum show me where I'm the third vote on a wagon. Go ahead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#451Got ya! Show nested quote +Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us. Its not a random theory. Its a jeep tell. You tried to hound bill on his 'faulty logic', but he was pulling one of the most standard pieces of analysis. Weak Ace. Now you're thinking I'm applying the Jeep tell to you? Herp Derp. I'm talking about the You/Bill spat, champ. Get with the times. Get those cataracts removed so you can read the text in front of you before getting smug.
It's me saying that Bill Murray was WRONG and he was. He didn't even know that the RVS doesn't just end whenever he feels it does. Hell people still didn't even vote at that point. I told you that tell is outdated. In fact here let's go back look at past games (not taking out the strike marks):
MM 3:
nemY: (3)
Chezinu
Ace
Vivi57
Amber[Light]: (3)
redtooth
Ace
Chezinu
Amber[Light]
Scamp
Vivi57
Chezinu
Scamp: (1)
redtooth
Chezinu
redtooth
The "theory" holds true in 1 out of 3 cases. Chezinu was scum. In the other cases the third voter was town.
MM2:
vx70GTOJudgexv: (5)
RebirthOfLeGenD
Ace
nemY
mikeymoo
Chezinu
Malongo: (4)
Zato-1
vx70GTOJudgexv
L
HeavOnEarth
Chezinu
mikeymoo: (1)
Vivi57
Scamp
Chezinu
Chezinu
1 out of 3 again!
MM2 continued:
Chezinu: (3)
Ace
vx70GTOJudgexv
mikeymoo
mikeymoo: (6)
RebirthOfLeGend
Chezinu
Scamp
Vivi57
Zato-1
L
1 out of 2!
MM1:
JimTudor: 3
Foolishness
Pyrrhuloxia
Qatol
SatuoxKisei 6
Foolishness
Qatol
Chezinu
Zato-1
Infundibulum
Pyrrhuloxia
Infundibulum 5
Foolishness
Qatol
Pyrr
SugiuraMidori
Zato-1
Vivi57 3
Pyrr
Qatol
Foolishness
Zato-1
1 for 4.
I just listed 3 Mini Mafia games where the Jeep tell would be best applied since they are in similar structure to this game. And like I told BM he was wrong and did not understand the tell - the #3 isn't the issue. The basis behind it was where scum would likely feel safe to vote without being blamed but looking active: the results from these tests?
Out of 12 listed vote checks a whopping THREE fit the theory. Yes a 25% chance. Pitiful. Like I said I know Bill Murray was misusing stuff he read on MS. If you want to take one of worst players on this forum's word over one of the greatest Mafia players of all time then do so: but don't be surprised when I call you out for being wrong.
Guess what? You just got proved wrong again.
GG scum.
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L. My vote is on you. Come out with better reasons why Ace is scum or it stays there.
Ace. If L isn't scum, I'm voting for you, sorry bro.
Everyone else: reread and make your own decisions.
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this is what i gathered so far, i'm not done tho. correct me if i'm wrong
basically L says whenever ace accused T2 of bad play, that is considered throwing shit on them but ace is saying that was him just scum hunting and pointing out how badly T2 was playing. i mean this is what they're mostly arguing about.
i think it would be VERY helpful to get DTA's thoughts on this since he is ace's teammate.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Comments unappreciated, indeed. Cease and desist.
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Yeah so far im at least liking aces argument alot better than L's. I'll try to go more in depth when i have time but it's more because of what is there and what isnt. You have my vote for now, but im 99% sure if whichever one of you dies flips green the other is dying next. And if they flip red then hurrah
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Got in late, and I've got to sleep like now. Early stuff tomorrow. From what I've seen...
L, are you really doing this? If you're town, you're wasting all of our time. First of all, Ace's argument is pretty solid compared to yours. Actually, after the first 2-3 (recent) posts from both of you, you guys just kinda started the name-calling kind of stuff. Didn't I say this earlier this game? You two are so... funny lol =p. Earlier I tried to call a truce between you two because I thought you were town. But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak.
Anyway, tapping out for the night. You'll see my thoughts in the vote thread.
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On June 26 2010 14:17 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 13:57 L wrote:On June 26 2010 13:48 Ace wrote:On June 26 2010 13:41 L wrote:
Where are the jeep tells pointing out you're scum?
LOL.
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE THIRD VOTE IN THE RVS PHASE THAT BILL MURRAY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A JEEP TELL.
THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN BEING AN ANNOYING PISSANT.
As for the posts you're looking for, I already pointed you to them :3. Now be a big boy and read my posts instead of getting your slobbery vagina tears all over the mafia thread. Got ya! Here is the tell right here: http://67.222.17.61/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
# Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15)
So if you are using this as a basis for me being scum show me where I'm the third vote on a wagon. Go ahead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#451Got ya! Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us. Its not a random theory. Its a jeep tell. You tried to hound bill on his 'faulty logic', but he was pulling one of the most standard pieces of analysis. Weak Ace. Now you're thinking I'm applying the Jeep tell to you? Herp Derp. I'm talking about the You/Bill spat, champ. Get with the times. Get those cataracts removed so you can read the text in front of you before getting smug. It's me saying that Bill Murray was WRONG and he was. He didn't even know that the RVS doesn't just end whenever he feels it does. Hell people still didn't even vote at that point. I told you that tell is outdated. In fact here let's go back look at past games (not taking out the strike marks): MM 3: Show nested quote +
nemY: (3)
Chezinu
Ace
Vivi57
Amber[Light]: (3)
redtooth
Ace
Chezinu
Amber[Light]
Scamp
Vivi57
Chezinu
Scamp: (1)
redtooth
Chezinu
redtooth
The "theory" holds true in 1 out of 3 cases. Chezinu was scum. In the other cases the third voter was town. That's not entirely true. Look at the voters on the Nemy and Scamp lists. The scamp list has redtooth twice; The vote list didn't even hit 3 individual members. , this... isn't the list for MM3.
The list is here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110491¤tpage=2
Of the final vote placements, there is only 1 player who is the third member on a train. It is Chez as mafia.
Of the vote placements as they came, Chez is also third in the same vote train, and redtooth was third on a train against Chez himself but switched.
So in MM3, either the efficiency of the tell on day 1 is 100 or 50%. Forging your data is bad news too.
MM2: Show nested quote +
vx70GTOJudgexv: (5)
RebirthOfLeGenD
Ace
nemY
mikeymoo
Chezinu
Malongo: (4)
Zato-1
vx70GTOJudgexv
L
HeavOnEarth
Chezinu
mikeymoo: (1)
Vivi57
Scamp
Chezinu
Chezinu
1 out of 3 again! Again, if you go and look at the actual remainder votes, you got them wrong. Again you didn't even pick the right votes;
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=109318¤tpage=2
At the bottom of the page.
There are actually only 2 people who finish day 1 in third, Nemy and I. Nemy is mafia. I am not.
Chez on the mikeymoo 'bus' sits there for a grand total of 4 hours with nearly no activity in the voting thread and switches away.
So again, 50 or 33% here depending on if you're using resultant or running totals.
You getting the votelists here wrong is particularly odd given that you were the one pushing to get judge killed and the Zato post we are referencing in the thread is from this game.MM2 continued: Show nested quote +
Chezinu: (3)
Ace
vx70GTOJudgexv
mikeymoo
mikeymoo: (6)
RebirthOfLeGend
Chezinu
Scamp
Vivi57
Zato-1
L
1 out of 2! AwesomeMM1: Show nested quote +
JimTudor: 3
Foolishness
Pyrrhuloxia
Qatol
SatuoxKisei 6
Foolishness
Qatol
Chezinu
Zato-1
Infundibulum
Pyrrhuloxia
Infundibulum 5
Foolishness
Qatol
Pyrr
SugiuraMidori
Zato-1
Vivi57 3
Pyrr
Qatol
Foolishness
Zato-1
1 for 4. Slight problem. Only 1 of these is a day 1. Ignoring that, however, the SatouKisei votes are against a mafia member, and those aren't vote lists from the start of the game when RVS and random wagoning is important. The Vivi wagon, for instance, was your game ending win lynch for mafia; who cares about blending in if you can just end the game there. Cutting those two out, we're back to 50%...
In a mafia game wherein the random probability of hitting mafia is 2/9, or 22.2%, the 3rd player Jeep tell has outperformed random picking in EVERY SINGLE GAME, even when you ignore context like you have.
I'll go over this with 2 objections to what you're trying to say here:
1) The first is that you weren't trying to argue that BM was 'wrong'. You had no idea what bill murray was talking about in the first place. The post of your I linked has you overtly going "what the fuck is RVS". Read bill's earlier posts; he uses RVS perfectly well. It stands for random voting stage.
You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; There was not a single shred of evidence posted by you prior to this post, on day 2 after BM already flipped green that you put up against the RVS. Instead you just painted Bill red. Its perfectly fine to disagree with his position and attempt to take it down, but to make the leap from suggesting a jeep tell as a method of analysis to going straight red isn't a critique. Its making an excuse for painting someone red.
Zato's analysis of you puts that as your main goal as mafia, and its served you well..
2) The second objection is that you're actually wrong. The games you've shown actually prove BM's point. I've put my notes in bold above.
The second point is actually rather irrelevant. Look at how discussion on this page has gone; Ace tries to imply that I've been attempting to use the Jeep tell on him and intentionally confuses issues to push people away from the initial characterization Zato made of Ace. Go look at MM2 and read the analysis and the posts linked, its very informative.
And now, to sleep for sures because I gotta get up in 5.5 hours, dawg.
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This argument has officially just degenerated into lulz.
Out for the night, cya guys.
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On June 26 2010 09:45 L wrote:
work stuff
I'm not blaming you for your work situation. It's totally understandable. The problem is that it's indistinguishable from a mafia choosing to be inactive over a particular time window.
On a more important note, you picked up that both teams 1 and 2 pushed against T9, voted against T9, and are now both dead. Radfield + the BM/Chez team both tried to bus 9. That's partially why I found it so incredibly strange that Korynne would flip and try to 'hold' the result at BM/Chez if her partner was instrumental in starting the 9 train. The interesting part is that the 9 train was actually made in majority by people jumping off the 7 train.
That means that it isn't even just a question of T1+2 bussed against 9. You also need to examine their rhetoric against 7. The fact that 7 does not post unless they're being put on the stove is very, very scummy.
Agreed, I hadn't thought of this point, but quite valid. Still very soft evidence, but worth thinking about. Considering Team 7's continued silence, my vote remains. I would encourage others to do the same at this point. Lay on the pressure, make them post or die. There's absolutely no reason they should be inactive as town. Once they talk we can make fair judgments. If they are scum, they may remain quiet in hopes that the L vs Ace argument takes precidence over their inactivity.
On June 26 2010 05:11 bumatlarge wrote:
I hear what you're saying yellow, and expected it ( in a good way). I agree on alot of what you say, but I personally have been a bit more of a town vibe from T9 based on posting. Most of the inactive teams are still too vague to judge by votes.
Inactivity is still a problem and probably will be through the game, but any thoughts on team 4? Im sure you have some opinions of darth after the other game. He seems to state that his posting wold be exactly the same whether hes mafia or town. I know you were in pm contact for a bit and trusted what he had said for the most part. Your word would outclass mine in this regard. I know yo generally feel that game was a bit nooby, but I doubt you let that distrupt your messages to darth.
The thing about strong players is that they have actively worked to eliminate tells. Skilled scum appear to be town in almost everything they do on the surface. Good scum rarely get caught on day 1 or 2 because they simply don't mess up the easy stuff. The way to figure it out is to watch their trends, changes in style from one day to the next, or see if their overall plan or choices just happens to have worked against the town more often than seems fair. This is how I was looking to catch DTA in XXVI and this is what I'm watching for here. It's how I'd look at any vet. Unfortunately mini mafia is short so this is tougher.
This is part of what can make it difficult to fairly read scum on noobs. Noobs mess up the simple stuff. You make a post that includes bad strategy you're going to get nailed on it (looking at you bum). How does one distinguish noob play from scum play? By not permitting people to get away with noob play. Noobs typically work at cleaning up the obvious stuff quickly and get up to the medium level. You always have to nail people for providing bad information.
I don't really have much of use to add to the L vs Ace argument directly. I havn't commented on it at all despite this fire burning from early in day 1. To clear up a few things I see as fact, I believe Caller was modkilled unintentionally - I do not think this was an attempt at strategic modkill. I think that Caller deliberately remained quiet for a reason that cannot be clearly discerned at this moment.
I read the back and forth bickering and I see logic and fallacy in both of their attacks. For both of them, I see errors and truth in both what they say and how they say it. I could be convinced of one being mafia or of both being town. Considering the heat of it, I think it is fair to say that it is unlikely that they are both mafia and it'd be worth betting the game on this.
If we assume that one is mafia, then we should all spend our energy trying to convince each other as to whose arguments are better, come to as much consesus as we can manage, cast our votes, and hope we hit red. If we find town, we're all but comitted to lynching the other. Now, if both are town, we lose the game because both L and Ace saw scum in each other. It should be immediately apparent that this all comes down to whether we believe one of them is mafia. If we're convinced at least one of them is, it may be worth pursuing this path. If the assumption holds true, and if it's 50/50 on who we lynch, it's 50/50 that we come out ahead or end up in lylo to find the last mafia team on day 4. In the end, all these assumptions get us nowhere.
Essentially the last two paragraphs say that you should vote where you believe your vote belongs.
+ Show Spoiler +
You should only vote for one if you believe that they are scum and not because you're going to rationalize to yourself that if you hit town then the other must be scum. Personally, the arguing has not convinced me to vote for either L or Ace.
My vote remains on Team 7 for the reasons I stated above - it's seems much more likely to produce good results than getting involved in L vs Ace. If one of them is scum, let their actions speak to it more strongly after we have another day or two behind us. If team 7 gets active, I read them to be town, and I think L vs Ace is more interesting than putting my vote back on bum, I may do so. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Also, a DT might be investigating and have found one of them to be town and could be fingering tomorrow. Or maybe the DT investigated somewhere else day 1. I would say that these two are excellent targets for investigation if we have a DT among us.
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btw watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word,
acronyms
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Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
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I'll respond to this and get on L vs Ace later.
+ Show Spoiler +My response in bold On June 26 2010 11:13 Divinek wrote:well since lax did nikon, and i wanted to look at that team i guess ill go more indepth at zyrre Show nested quote +
1.
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
wtf is this? I'm leaning towards him, why leaning, why not cast the first vote? Might it look bad? Is bm really that confusing? Are there any original ideas in this post? Nope, just agreeing with someone and leaning towards someone we now know is town 100%. It was early day 1, and yes I'm terrible on day 1. This is why I wanted to wait longer to make up my mind.Show nested quote +
2.
What's the purpose of the mafia roleblocker in Setup 2 that flamewheel posted? It seems like he wont be able to block anything.
he already explained this but i still think it's something to keep in the back of your mind, why wouldnt he just pm flamewheel. I dont actually know the answer to this question myself but why wouldnt he? Show nested quote +
3.
This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them.
Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages.
I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me.
scum radar alert! Why would townies have to go with weak arguments? Townies could be just as retarded and go with anything when there's so little info, we have good enough players that can make good enough arguments as it is. Yes, townies could accuse and vote early as well, therefore mafia can do it without raising suspicion.
And the point of it is that the stronger arguments come out later on day 1 because of the amount of posts. If you don't have any convictions until the end of day 1 and then ignore what other people said that can be considered mafia-style.Blah blah mind games saying im not red could be red etc loop his arguments and plans still feel 'off', i already addressed this before, that has to be the worst logic ive ever seen for casting a vote, and as we all know now, we know this team is green even if they acted stupid so surely a red would go 'oh i could vote for the crazy town team and it wont look bad' I posted my initial suspicion when BM and YI had had an argument the length of about 2-3 posts, that seems risky to do if I was red.
Yes, I probably should've quoted exactly what I was referring to, but I didn't.HE CASTED HIS VOTE AFTER GOING AGAINST WHAT HE JUST SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF HE WERE TO VOTE AN ACTIVE PLAYER. I quoted BM's lynching plan and explained why I thought it was wrong. I guess I could've quoted the continuation of YI/BM and other bashing on him, but as I posted right after reading the whole thread I felt it was obvious what I was referring to(I said myself it was badly written).Show nested quote +
4.
The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it.
meh some mind game stuff you can pull out of this, but it's his explanation for it. Simple i guess Show nested quote +
5.
Several players posted about BM's early posting with flawed logic and at that time I posted I was leaning towards him. I now responded to one of his latest post(partly directed at me), and explained why it was wrong.
Do you want me to quote it all in one post? It seems unnecessary.
doesnt really give any reason other than, oh im siding with people that obviously some of them have to be town so it makes me look more pro town but i really have no reasons of my own note: STILL NO REASON FOR VOTE, just he 'felt' off Same as I responded to aboveShow nested quote +
6.
Ok, I'll stop using that word and be more specific. The last sentence was just a badly worded summary.
still no come back from my attacks at his reasoning, just empty defenses Show nested quote +
7.One is a simple clarification + me actually disagreeing with YI because I did not understand the voting rules (teams are lynched instead of players).
The other would not be anything to go on if we would flip red. YI posted a whole lot, he pointed something out that seemed reasonable and that I would therefore base my voting on.
I don't see how you can call this kissing up.
openly admitting just band wagoning on a vote, though i guess this isnt the worst thing in the world for the first vote, but still these are pretty shallow and weak reasons for a vote. Show nested quote +
8.
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
ok fuck you. This is the second post where you're like 'this team is very likely to be mafia' and now you're adding well another team might be, IMO, WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR OPINION? You didnt state any reason for saying why bums team might be mafia. You're just trying to throw in little jabs. I agree my posting was shit, I'm just looking at it from my perspective too much and not from others. Which is why I didn't quote a lot of stuff.Voting staying on bm for obvious reasons, if they are so obvious can you please point them out? Sigh this is looking so weak to me. Plus my read on bums team is quite green at this point so it makes me think you KNOW both of those teams are green and you'd be fine killing either of them The obvious reason was that if I changed my vote at that point, my team would have the most votes, why would I want to get lynched?Show nested quote +.Yeah Korynne, since more and more are switching frmo my team I will probably switch my vore later on.
switching your vote cause others are, not for logical reasons, not for something you truly see as supsicious. POST some content man I was not switching with the main bandwagon of accusation, since more people we're switching off my team I felt safe too switch and not be lynchedShow nested quote +
10.Reading through this it does sound convincing.
L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself.
BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely.
first post with any reasoning behind anything. But this stuff isnt backed up by a vote, it's just well this person could be mafia and someone who doesnt seem like mafia is going after non mafia stuff seems unlikely confusing emptyness. This post was about 4 hours before Day 2 STARTED, I dont want to vote that early since I dont see a point too it. Especially since Ace and L were already in full debate mode.Well until anything else comes up for me im voting team 7. Could people tell me what they think, is my first level reasoning too weak here? Are these adequate scum reads? Both him and his team mate have been among the more inactive people, and both of them have voted for the only two teams i really think are green, one of which is now dead.
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
Just one more that I think you missed
On June 25 2010 11:47 LaXerCannon wrote:
The situation now is that we have 2 mafia and 5 townies. If we mess up, it'll be 2v4 and then 2v3 before we can choose the next lynch. I feel like today's a VERY important day unless we get a hero save from a medic (50% chance of a medic even existing) or a DT catches a red (50% chance of this also). Worst case would be this set up:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies
Where town doesn't really have much more room for error.
These are just the thoughts that jumped out at me when team 1 flipped green
and of course the poorly constructed attack in question:
On June 26 2010 09:56 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing... On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team. Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best. Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly. Hi Nikon, let's look at what YOU had to say shall we? + Show Spoiler +Nikon - Total posts : 10 On June 23 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote:
.-.. --- .-.. / - .... .. ... / .. ... / -.- .. -. -.. .- / .-.. .- -- . / -.-- --- ..- / --. ..- -.-- ... / .- .-.. ... --- / .-- .... -.-- / .. ... / .--- --- .... -. -. -.-- ... .--. .- --.. / - .-. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / -.- .. .-.. .-.. / --- ..-. ..-. / .-.. / ... --- / ..-. .- ... - / - .... .- - / .. ... / -- .- -. -.-- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / -.-- . ... Translates roughly to : LOL THIS IS KINDA LAME YOU GUYS ALSO WHY IS JOHNNYSPAZ TRYING TO KILL OFF L SO FAST THAT IS MANY MORSE CODE YES. Only important point here is that he is asking why Jspazz wants to lynch L so quickly ignoring L's vote for Johnnyspazz and Chezinu for team 1; both votes being well in the timeframe between Jspazz's vote and Nikon's post. -In between these two posts, Nikon votes for team 2- Why? I have no idea; he does argue with BM though...an hour later On June 23 2010 15:15 Nikon wrote:
Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...
Signs off for the day? Guess not. I guess he just woke up since the following posts are only within a few hours of this post. Post # 299 [this post quotes one of BM's bigger posts so I won't quote that as well] (not going to sleep?) Some of his points are correct, thought I do think that BM's method of thinking helps him loosen his own workload at it lowers the amount of targets he needs to track for the _first_ day. However, I don't like how he ignores the good information in this post, particularly the parts about team 1 and team 9's voting behavior. Post # 312 Another attack on BM. I'd like to point out that Nikon, although putting BM down for coded messages, infact posted one of his own (see above). The rest of the post is just him defending his team by ... defending team 7... what? As great as that sounds (if team 7 indeed is green), I don't think that it's typical behavior for someone trying to defend himself. Normally, you'd accuse another team to put the heat off you. I also like how he says there's an 18% chance that another team is mafia. Is he not sure that he himself is town? If they know they're town then it's definitely 25% other people are mafia. On June 24 2010 00:25 Nikon wrote:
What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then? I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote. On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:Let me ask again: What do you think of this Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7
No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface. I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote. On June 24 2010 03:50 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math. Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long. Same 25% to 18% thing... -Two day gap between posts- On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book. Ok post On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count. Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing... Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team. Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best. Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly. - And see me pointing out that we don't have much room for error anymore? - DCLXVI did propose a good point in that supporting another mafia team is very risky. Especially since there are only two mafia teams; if we peg one, the other one falls into suspicion. Not the best play; I'm sure most people in this game hold L to a higher standard than that.
And you posted these since then:
On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.
On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.
Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...
On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.
Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.
Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.
>What do we gain from these two posts of yours? Got DCLXVI to clarify his logic and point out that DCLXVI's assumptions hold no weight. Oh and claiming BrownBear can't distinguish between one and two, what.
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^ bad formatting, put Nikon's first quote up until my > into a separate quote >.>
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I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it?
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
Interesting post.
1. Cry about other people calling out his inactivity.
2. Give excuse for being inactive (as if that makes it better?)
3. Point the finger at someone else.
4. Cry more.
5. Continue pointing.
6. Top it off with "this I find very scummy".
Nikon, you have a grand total of 12 posts, in ... 4.5 days (?) real time. That's what, 108 hours? Average 1 post every 10ish hours, which would be acceptable if they were huge posts but... they aren't. ^_^.
Do you see why we're harping on you?
Note: not defending LaXerCannon. He's also been worthless.
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
hurrah for the worst posted reasoning to vote for someone as of day 2!
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
While I agree with you that bum/lax have done a lot of things that read red, if I weren't already thinking along these lines, your argument would not be convincing.
You need to produce more. If you truly think bum/lax ARE scum (rather than just because you are a mafia team that just wants someone else hung), you need to present more than this. So does Zyrre. So does meeple. The 'harping' is because you have chosen to place yourself at the bottom of the ladder of activity. That has a very simple solution regardless if you are mafia or town - one which your teammates can assist you with.
Once you choose to remove yourself from the bottom of this ladder we can discuss whether votes on your team are no longer justified.
@Zyrre Since you've taken the time to respond to the one post, are you getting noob vibe or scum vibe from Divinek? Either way, please elaborate since Team 9 is somewhere I think a lot of us are interested in looking.
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He said in one post it's his first time playing. But I don't blame him for picking apart my posts, some were terrible. And once you're on that line of thinking it's easy to see the scummyness in things.
I quickly looked through DCLXVI's post, and aside from the ridiculous argument about Koryenne's vote switch being mafia and arguing to lynch kory/rad(which he said was just fishing for information), I don't see anything scummy.
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On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it?
I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort.
Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument.
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L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results.
Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance:
You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong;
Ace's post against it was this one:
no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense.
I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions.
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Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy.
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On June 27 2010 02:08 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it? I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort. Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument.
Re-read your post then, if your stated opinions do not constitute an attack, I'm Roger Rabbit.
On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy.
On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched?
I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had.
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On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had.
LOL I wrote that not BB (even if - scummy team 9)
Catching up on the thread nowish post more late, just wanted to point out this obvious JEEP if thats what you call it
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Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point?
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On June 27 2010 07:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had. LOL I wrote that not BB (even if - scummy team 9) Catching up on the thread nowish post more late, just wanted to point out this obvious JEEP if thats what you call it
Good catch, I chopped the quote wrong - I meant to include the bolded text from this one here:
On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
Team 9: Here's the team I'm now a little concerned about. Divinek had a LOT of posts day 1, but very little content to them, and it looked more like he was trying to establish himself as an active player, WITHOUT actually adding anything to the town discussion. That's disturbing to me. DCLXVI I have barely seen at all, except for a few posts targeting Korynne... He wanted her lynched, and she wanted him lynched. Now she is dead. Unlike L, I don't think Team 9 would have the experience to hold back on killing someone they'd had a public argument in the thread with...
It's a little shaky, but I think Team 9 looks the most suspicious to me right now.
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that... If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed. I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9. Well, that's the thing: Ive played with L before, and I know he knows how stuff like this works. I haven't really played with either of you ever, so I have no clue if you would know whether that's an obvious scumtell or not. It's pretty soft evidence, thats why I didn't outright accuse you: I'm just saying that your voting pattern, posting patterns, and the game events make you somewhat suspicious. Not scummy, just suspicious. As for your logic behind the Team 4 vs L thing... The thing is, both L and Team 4 had arguments with Team 2... and I'm reasonably sure L is smart enough to not ragekill them, and I know for sure that Ace and DTA are smart enough to not ragekill them. Thus, I'm not really looking at those arguments as saying anything, other than Team 4 and Team L look less suspicious. That said, DTA is a masterful player, and can easily appear clean when he isn't. This doesn't mean I'm accusing him at all ( <3 you DTA :3 ) but I am watching him closer than I would a newbie.(what, me, sore about last game? Nevar! :D) I still think you and Divinek need to step up and look less suspicious, though. There is not much to go on for this day, so even appearing suspicious can be deadly. And Team 7 needs to step the fuck up, seriously.
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On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point?
I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
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On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
So your point is? That LaXer doesn't have a point? And you think he accused you of being mafia?
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On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
I have no argument to front, I am merely defending against your accusations. If you are perhaps arguing for argument's sake then I will continue. Otherwise I shall cease and desist from this pointless fight.
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On June 27 2010 07:14 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point. So your point is? That LaXer doesn't have a point? And you think he accused you of being mafia?
nah, i think it is that nikon said the BB mixed up teams 1 and two. BB asked how and did not think that nikon responded. Nikon misquoted and provided my text instead of BB and I pointed that out. Neither Laxer nor Nikon are really providing an argument against each other as far as I can see.
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Well, people pointed I was inactive and uncontributive, I pointed out Laxer did the same, and now he has this huge post about me, plus a countervote. That's the gist of it, pretty much.
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On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 02:08 LaXerCannon wrote:On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it? I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort. Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument. Re-read your post then, if your stated opinions do not constitute an attack, I'm Roger Rabbit. Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had.
Dear god you are dumb. I never wrote that.
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On June 27 2010 07:10 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:01 DCLXVI wrote:On June 27 2010 06:44 Nikon wrote:On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.
Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy. On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
It was about this snippet - how is ragekilling team 2 even remotely relevant when they got lynched? I hope you guys are online right now, there's loads of fun to be had. LOL I wrote that not BB (even if - scummy team 9) Catching up on the thread nowish post more late, just wanted to point out this obvious JEEP if thats what you call it Good catch, I chopped the quote wrong - I meant to include the bolded text from this one here: Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
Team 9: Here's the team I'm now a little concerned about. Divinek had a LOT of posts day 1, but very little content to them, and it looked more like he was trying to establish himself as an active player, WITHOUT actually adding anything to the town discussion. That's disturbing to me. DCLXVI I have barely seen at all, except for a few posts targeting Korynne... He wanted her lynched, and she wanted him lynched. Now she is dead. Unlike L, I don't think Team 9 would have the experience to hold back on killing someone they'd had a public argument in the thread with...
It's a little shaky, but I think Team 9 looks the most suspicious to me right now.
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that... If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed. I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9. Well, that's the thing: Ive played with L before, and I know he knows how stuff like this works. I haven't really played with either of you ever, so I have no clue if you would know whether that's an obvious scumtell or not. It's pretty soft evidence, thats why I didn't outright accuse you: I'm just saying that your voting pattern, posting patterns, and the game events make you somewhat suspicious. Not scummy, just suspicious. As for your logic behind the Team 4 vs L thing... The thing is, both L and Team 4 had arguments with Team 2... and I'm reasonably sure L is smart enough to not ragekill them, and I know for sure that Ace and DTA are smart enough to not ragekill them. Thus, I'm not really looking at those arguments as saying anything, other than Team 4 and Team L look less suspicious. That said, DTA is a masterful player, and can easily appear clean when he isn't. This doesn't mean I'm accusing him at all ( <3 you DTA :3 ) but I am watching him closer than I would a newbie.(what, me, sore about last game? Nevar! :D) I still think you and Divinek need to step up and look less suspicious, though. There is not much to go on for this day, so even appearing suspicious can be deadly. And Team 7 needs to step the fuck up, seriously. Oh, you meant this quote. Ok, yeah. I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. I are dumb
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Waaaah formatting what. You get the gist of it.
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I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e.
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The problem I have with Team 7 is despite being called out on it, the only thing they've had to say are defenses against supposed attacks against them. They have not come forward to make a progressive post that might help our analysis with another team. They didn't do anything on day 1 until forced to. They still havn't done anything of merit today.
Now we're 2 hours away from deadline and two of their team hasn't even voted. I don't know what's up with that. Only thing I can figure is that they'll be looking to shift the vote where they can right before deadline. Like I said earlier, I see no reason for a town aligned team to be so passive as this when I and others lay them under scrutiny with their votes. Bum, you were asking earlier about how you can tell if a team is being scummy when nothing they're actually saying reads red directly? This would be an excellent example.
Frankly, the inactivity throughout the game has been disappointing. If nothing else, consider how much discussion was taken out of the game with teams 1 and 2. The rest of you guys need to step it up.
(Durak, why havn't you voted yet, where are you??)
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Similar to what Y-Izzle said... where is my team why have you not voted guys...
Am I the only active one left?
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On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote:
I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e.
To generate some discussion, what do we think of this?
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The reason why people aren't active is that they're happy with where the vote is falling, which means mafia's cool with me dying.
As for this:
On June 27 2010 02:49 Zyrre wrote:L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results. Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: Ace's post against it was this one: Show nested quote +no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense. I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions.
If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight.
I've always said the easiest way to figure out what mafia are doing is the following; Look at what mafia's objective is, and think about the different routes to get there.
Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings.
If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town.
That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia.
I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting.
In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself.
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On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote:
I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this?
Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...?
At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong.
This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to.
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Although, DTA, I'd LOVE to see your opinion on it too, please. It's cool that you're trying to start discussion and all, but why not start it off by discussing it yourself?
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On June 27 2010 09:42 L wrote:The reason why people aren't active is that they're happy with where the vote is falling, which means mafia's cool with me dying. As for this: Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 02:49 Zyrre wrote:L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results. Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; Ace's post against it was this one: no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense. I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. I've always said the easiest way to figure out what mafia are doing is the following; Look at what mafia's objective is, and think about the different routes to get there. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings. If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town. That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia. I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting. In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself.
L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7.
Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say.
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On June 27 2010 09:57 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:42 L wrote:The reason why people aren't active is that they're happy with where the vote is falling, which means mafia's cool with me dying. As for this: On June 27 2010 02:49 Zyrre wrote:L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results. Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; Ace's post against it was this one: no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense. I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. I've always said the easiest way to figure out what mafia are doing is the following; Look at what mafia's objective is, and think about the different routes to get there. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings. If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town. That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia. I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting. In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself. L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7. Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say.
I kinda relooked at the votes and it seems that T9 WAS trying to shitball T7 asap after the day started, which would make sense if T7 is town and T9 is mafia as per the above analysis. The only problem I have is that there was very, very little in the way of thread pushing, just very light taps.
I am, however, very surprised at the overall level of activity that we're getting from everyone, not just T7. If I could, I'd prefer hitting T9 today because of how it fits into the above pattern, but frankly we don't have enough time to move the train and an attempt to move it would kill me, which means we'd be in Lylo tomorrow and that would be bad.
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On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote:
I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this? Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to.
Its probably not a trash or random vote. Its probably a way of taking an easier kill instead of drawing attention to mafia by pushing me and having me flip red. If T7 flips town, we're going to have a roller-coaster final 2 days.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2010 09:42 L wrote:Show nested quote +I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. ? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings.
If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town.
Was it "MASSIVE"? Really? It had about 1/3 of the votes at its peak, but that was it. The ending trains (T2, T9) had almost the same amount, though not quote. And it wasn't really a lynch train as much as a "post or if you don't THEN we'll lynch you for being bad" train. As least that's how I saw it - YellowInk (?) led the train and was just pressuring them to post more, which they did. The T9 train was... well, some people weren't here for it, ie. Chez-who-could-have-saved-himself, which is why it didn't go through and T2 got lynched instead. Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. After night ended, we didn't have that many posts. The first major thing that happened was bumatlarge pointing the finger at me/Ace and/or you, saying that he has a "strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia". Well, that's a good guess, considering he picked 2/7 teams and so has what, ~60% chance of being right on probability alone? (my probability is weak, I did 2/7 + 2/7 if you want to check). And the basis for that argument was that he knows I can play pro-town while being mafia. Then there was more about "1 of Team 4 or L HAS to be mafia" and then the next major thing was you and Ace arguing with each other. So on the one hand, you have a couple major arguments to cover the mafia's inactivity + distract the town, and on the other, you have the fact that Teams 9 hasn't been pressured at all today, and Team 7 was only pressured just recently, and not even that much because of the lack of activity.
That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia.
I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting.
For the record, I didn't try to play it up? Well I wasn't here while it was happening, but I made like, 1-2 posts about it, said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway.
In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself.
To me, that says is that the mafia got rid of the two most active (well, spammy) teams, and the two mafia teams are still alive. I will agree with you though. Right now the mafia are happy that there's been very little posting today. I'm not sure whether it's Team 7 or Team 9 though, because on the one hand, you have that pointless argument between LaXer and Nikon last page (potentially a spam train), but on the other hand, you have the fact that Team 9 hasn't been pressured at all, hence the lack of a bigger spam train?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote:
I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this? Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to. You don't think of it as a throwaway, 'slick' kind of vote where a mafia tries to pass it off as nothing? You're right. It is a trash post. It is a trash reason at this point. There's no point to killing based on inactivity. MAYBE on day 1 in a larger setup, but definitely not on day 2. I thought it was pretty obvious that I found the post scummy based on the fact that I asked for discussion about it =p. It were implied, BB. On June 27 2010 09:57 YellowInk wrote:
L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7.
Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say.
Killing inactives ain't cool bro. Show me scumminess first. My current vote is half defensive, half L was scummy earlier. I'd almost rather kill Team 9 than Team 7. I'm not sure. What do you guys think? On June 27 2010 10:08 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:57 YellowInk wrote:On June 27 2010 09:42 L wrote:The reason why people aren't active is that they're happy with where the vote is falling, which means mafia's cool with me dying. As for this: On June 27 2010 02:49 Zyrre wrote:L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results. Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; Ace's post against it was this one: no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense. I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. I've always said the easiest way to figure out what mafia are doing is the following; Look at what mafia's objective is, and think about the different routes to get there. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings. If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town. That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia. I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting. In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself. L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7. Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say. I kinda relooked at the votes and it seems that T9 WAS trying to shitball T7 asap after the day started, which would make sense if T7 is town and T9 is mafia as per the above analysis. The only problem I have is that there was very, very little in the way of thread pushing, just very light taps. I am, however, very surprised at the overall level of activity that we're getting from everyone, not just T7. If I could, I'd prefer hitting T9 today because of how it fits into the above pattern, but frankly we don't have enough time to move the train and an attempt to move it would kill me, which means we'd be in Lylo tomorrow and that would be bad. Isn't that the whole idea behind being a mafia? Don't draw too much attention to yourself, light taps, etc.? I think we can move the train. Team 7 train is like 3 votes, dude. The question is if we want to or not. On June 27 2010 10:10 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote:On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote:
I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this? Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to. Its probably not a trash or random vote. Its probably a way of taking an easier kill instead of drawing attention to mafia by pushing me and having me flip red. If T7 flips town, we're going to have a roller-coaster final 2 days. It's a trash vote. Meaning it's scummy =p.
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Yass, agreed DTA :D I'm not sure it's scummy yet simply because it's way too obvious of a mistake for a mafia player to make... mostly be just holding DCLXVI to a higher standard of play than that. I wouldn't be that surprised if he were though.
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20 minutes and only you and DTA have posted. 40 minutes till end of day. It's going to have to stick to Team 7.
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? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot.
I'm not saying being third is grounds for killing someone. I'm saying that suggesting a Jeep tell isn't grounds for being killed. Which is what happened. Because of your partner. Because he said this type of argumentation was obviously a huge scumtell.
Clearly he was wrong.
Was it "MASSIVE"? Really? Was the largest train we've had this game, with 17 votes. At the time, the next strongest train was only 2/3rds as strong. That's a pretty large lead.
Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. Explain this. In depth.
Specifically: Why do you know that mafia had to start something up? Who says T7-9 weren't also town? Couldn't they just have cruised to an easy town lynch either way? I think you just outted yourself hard, but we can deal with that tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't try to play it up? Yes you did. You started throwing shit at me on your first post during day 2. Go read it.
said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway. So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going?
Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?
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DTA if you want to switch your vote off me to T9, I wouldn't mind doing that.
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I'm going back to voting for Team 9, mostly since L has been a lot more active and has actually posted quality, and I'm still worried that Ace and L could both be town, which would spell doom for us, whereas the more Team 9 posts, the more I'm convinced they are scum.
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And where the FUCK is everyone. Inactivity could kill this game.
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wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...
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On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote:
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...
Look at the voting thread. 3 votes for team 7, one vote for team 9.
Please stop blatantly lying.
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So I have to love how Darth innocuously drops the "what do you think of this" and then waits to see everyone's opinion before siding with the majority.
Has team 7 even voted yet? are they going to get modkilled and we lose if we mislynch?(and they are not mafia)
My post was stupid because I didn't clarify and was in a rush, but now I have to vote for 6 or 7 to stay alive. I suppose it is partly my fault for the hasty post, but you guys do overreact quite a bit.
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On June 27 2010 10:22 BrownBear wrote:
Yass, agreed DTA :D I'm not sure it's scummy yet simply because it's way too obvious of a mistake for a mafia player to make... mostly be just holding DCLXVI to a higher standard of play than that. I wouldn't be that surprised if he were though.
nah it's not. Were you there last game (XXVI)? lol.
On June 27 2010 10:23 L wrote:Show nested quote +? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot. I'm not saying being third is grounds for killing someone. I'm saying that suggesting a Jeep tell isn't grounds for being killed. Which is what happened. Because of your partner. Because he said this type of argumentation was obviously a huge scumtell. Clearly he was wrong. Was the largest train we've had this game, with 17 votes. At the time, the next strongest train was only 2/3rds as strong. That's a pretty large lead. Show nested quote +Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. Explain this. In depth. Specifically: Why do you know that mafia had to start something up? Who says T7-9 weren't also town? Couldn't they just have cruised to an easy town lynch either way? I think you just outted yourself hard, but we can deal with that tomorrow. Yes you did. You started throwing shit at me on your first post during day 2. Go read it. Show nested quote +said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway. So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going? Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?
uhh can't do quote by quote in the interest of time.
I agree. A Jeep tell is not grounds for lynch, nor is suggesting a Jeep tell. Ace likes to exaggerate - there were a lot of other things that he saw in BM that were scummy (and I kind of agree but at the same time, I don't think Ace gave enough credit to BM's half-decent posts). I'm pretty sure he didn't push to lynch BM for that sole reason -_-.
True, it was pretty big. I still see it as a pressure vote though.
Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."
So if they (mafia) aren't being pressured, they didn't need a new smokescreen to hide under.
And ? I was arguing along YOUR lines. YOU'RE the one who was saying that mafia would've started 'a shit train'. And YOU'RE the one that said, "let's assume one of 7/9 is mafia (theoretical/hypothetical), etc. etc."
My post for you here:
On June 26 2010 14:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
Got in late, and I've got to sleep like now. Early stuff tomorrow. From what I've seen...
L, are you really doing this? If you're town, you're wasting all of our time. First of all, Ace's argument is pretty solid compared to yours. Actually, after the first 2-3 (recent) posts from both of you, you guys just kinda started the name-calling kind of stuff. Didn't I say this earlier this game? You two are so... funny lol =p. Earlier I tried to call a truce between you two because I thought you were town. But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak.
Anyway, tapping out for the night. You'll see my thoughts in the vote thread.
My opinion was requested (by jspz), so I gave it. I said, "If you're town, you're wasting all of our time." Which you were. The only possible instance of me "throwing shit at you" is "But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak."
From my perspective, Ace's play hasn't been that scummy. Obviously I'm biased but your arguments weren't that convincing -> why are you making a mess out of nothing -> nudge toward scumminess.
I haven't said ANYTHING about it since. I haven't pushed to get you lynched (except for my vote), I haven't called this this and that of yours "OH HE'S DEFINITELY SCUM". If you consider those two sentences as "throwing shit at you" then you need to redefine what you consider "throwing shit at you".
"So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going?
Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?"
This is from my perspective. I didn't like where the argument was going, because it was you and Ace arguing about what a Jeep tell was, and not even arguing about how it relates to this game. If you're going to call my posts devoid of content, look at your argument with Ace and tell me that's not devoid of (game-related) content.
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Whoa whoa, sudden activity and serious interest in going after Team 9? Do we seriously have enough voting power to even consider it? Is it really that much better than Team 7?
L, if you are truly convinced that Ace is mafia, that means DTA is too. Swaying his vote to follow you to what might be mafia... all he has to do is say no if it's a mafia team and it's no dirt on him. If he goes with you and we hit a mafia team, does that clear both you and Ace?
I'll bite. If T9 is hung as mafia I think we have much more useful information than hanging T7 as mafia. They're both about the same as far as I'm concerned at the moment.
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On June 27 2010 10:28 BrownBear wrote:
And where the FUCK is everyone. Inactivity could kill this game.
Every reply to L takes a minimum of 10 minutes. No joke :p.
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On June 27 2010 10:41 YellowInk wrote:
Whoa whoa, sudden activity and serious interest in going after Team 9? Do we seriously have enough voting power to even consider it? Is it really that much better than Team 7?
L, if you are truly convinced that Ace is mafia, that means DTA is too. Swaying his vote to follow you to what might be mafia... all he has to do is say no if it's a mafia team and it's no dirt on him. If he goes with you and we hit a mafia team, does that clear both you and Ace?
I'll bite. If T9 is hung as mafia I think we have much more useful information than hanging T7 as mafia. They're both about the same as far as I'm concerned at the moment.
Well, no, it doesn't clear both of us. It'll be interesting if he refuses, then T9 flips red to a future lynch or DT check.
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I'm only going to move my vote to T9 if it's going to lynch, though. I don't want to see a vote split kill L. That means DTA has to make the first move if I'm going to shift (since the premise of extra gained information is based on DTA also voting for T9).
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On June 27 2010 10:37 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote:
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9... Look at the voting thread. 3 votes for team 7, one vote for team 9. Please stop blatantly lying.
did you read how all active players in this thread said they wanted to switch their vote but said they didn't think they had the time?
Why so accusatory?
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On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote:
wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...
On June 27 2010 10:41 DCLXVI wrote:
So I have to love how Darth innocuously drops the "what do you think of this" and then waits to see everyone's opinion before siding with the majority.
Has team 7 even voted yet? are they going to get modkilled and we lose if we mislynch?(and they are not mafia)
My post was stupid because I didn't clarify and was in a rush, but now I have to vote for 6 or 7 to stay alive. I suppose it is partly my fault for the hasty post, but you guys do overreact quite a bit.
Hey look at my last, 4-5 posts, they're all longer than anything you've ever posted I'm pretty sure.
Read the original post. The scumminess of the post was implied by my bringing it up in the first place.
Nikon's voted. stormtemplar has been missing for days.
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On June 27 2010 10:42 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 10:28 BrownBear wrote:
And where the FUCK is everyone. Inactivity could kill this game. Every reply to L takes a minimum of 10 minutes. No joke :p.
Yeah, and that's awesome. But 5 out of 15 people haven't voted yet, unless my math is off.
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Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."
The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9.
Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team.
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option.
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I note that at the ten minute mark neither DTA nor L have gone to voting on team 9. I'll just watch for these two and if they go to 9, I'm there as well. That's voting power 11 which should have it locked down unless we have mass mafia lurking. But that will give us huge amounts of information as well.
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if I added correctly the vote count is T4:6 T6 T7:12 so any one vote switch from 7 to 6 will kill L. would it be worth it for the mafia to do that and then try to weasel out? They only need to survive one day
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On June 27 2010 10:51 YellowInk wrote:
I note that at the ten minute mark neither DTA nor L have gone to voting on team 9. I'll just watch for these two and if they go to 9, I'm there as well. That's voting power 11 which should have it locked down unless we have mass mafia lurking. But that will give us huge amounts of information as well.
On June 27 2010 10:50 DarthThienAn wrote:
##unvote
##Team 9
o.o
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Nah, no one will switch to me unless they want to promptly die the next day. If 7 isn't mafia, they have no incentive to switch. Maybe if 9 is as well, but we'd know almost immediately by the identity of the switcher.
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On June 27 2010 10:50 L wrote:Show nested quote +Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc." The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9. Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option.
I think I misread your previous comment. I thought it was under the assumption that either one of 7/9 was mafia that the mafia would start pointing fingers, etc. I didn't realize you meant a train to get THEM lynched.
So dismiss most of what I said earlier if it doesn't make sense. >_>
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DTA just shifted to team 9. If he shifts back to kill L, we'll hang him for it tomorrow (were L to flip town), obviously, since he used that to get my and L's vote to shift off of team 7. I see no reason for DTA to be insincere in this, it's lose lose for him.
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I changed my vote as well per my agreement to do so.
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oh fucking auto smiles. and there goes my numbers too. Its either 7 or 9 now
well, what shall it be L? am I to die tonight?
please no
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there goes the game for you guys. GLHF
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On June 27 2010 10:55 YellowInk wrote:
DTA just shifted to team 9. If he shifts back to kill L, we'll hang him for it tomorrow (were L to flip town), obviously, since he used that to get my and L's vote to shift off of team 7. I see no reason for DTA to be insincere in this, it's lose lose for him.
I'm doing it for the lols. I'm going to switch back right now
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Also, I don't think flamewheel is around, judging by the lack of "voting ends in.." posts. Which means we'll... have to wait.
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On June 27 2010 10:58 DCLXVI wrote:
there goes the game for you guys. GLHF
If you're fo-real, next game post less trash.
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On June 27 2010 11:01 L wrote:If you're fo-real, next game post less trash.
Hey L, sign up for my game, it'll be funny.
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On June 27 2010 11:01 L wrote:If you're fo-real, next game post less trash.
nah man
after I play enough games this scummy eventually everyone will assume I am just a bad townie and then I can play the perfect mafia. Scummy yet never suspected.
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On June 27 2010 11:09 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:01 L wrote:On June 27 2010 10:58 DCLXVI wrote:
there goes the game for you guys. GLHF If you're fo-real, next game post less trash. nah man after I play enough games this scummy eventually everyone will assume I am just a bad townie and then I can play the perfect mafia. Scummy yet never suspected.
I cant decide whether this is terrible or the best idea ever :D
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rofl thanks for getting us killed dc, at least we were only looking mildly suspicious now you convinced them to kill us cause you're lazy.
o well was a fun game as town!
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Just blame moocow, it was all his fault, not mine
sorry, i was in a hurry and didn't want to be modkilled
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really it's the mafias fault for pushing the vote on us so hard damn that moocow
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So can someone give me a really good summary of what just went on here.
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Offered your ally a chance to kill T9. He bit.
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Out for dinner, will be back later, probably after the post is up and the dust settles. Peace out, Team 9.
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Uhm.... the voting was now? :o
I looked in the voting thread earlier and though I saw it was in 24h.
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Oh... shit. Guess Ill get modkilled or something then. Time for bed anyway
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LOL look at all these mod kills
Durak, Zyrre, stormtemplar, johnnyspazz,
6 players died today groovy
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i think this will be the list now -1 more town team, probably the one with two people
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5.YellowInk
6.L
7.Nikon
8.BrownBear
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On June 27 2010 11:49 Divinek wrote:
i think this will be the list now -1 more town team, probably the one with two people
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5.YellowInk
6.L
7.Nikon
8.BrownBear
Rofl, if that's the case, we might have lost enough votes for the game to be over unless we get a medic prot.
PRETTY SHIT TIMES UP IN HERE.
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unless both two person teams arent red i think town is pretty fucked just based on sheer vote count and who is gonna get hit unless there's a medic
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On June 27 2010 11:30 L wrote:
Offered your ally a chance to kill T9. He bit.
Meh. He must have really believed someone's argument then. I still peg you as their scum ally then. till don't like that agreement between you, YI, and DTA to swing vote.
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do you think flamewheel will try to save the game by redistributing votes - 1 vote to lax through darth, and 2 votes to yellow through BB?
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not likely rules are rules, if someone loses cause people are inactive that's just the way it goes sometimes
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On June 27 2010 11:53 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:30 L wrote:
Offered your ally a chance to kill T9. He bit. Meh. He must have really believed someone's argument then. I still peg you as their scum ally then. till don't like that agreement between you, YI, and DTA to swing vote.
Obv your team doing something sketch means that I'm the mafia member.
Ur gud at this Ace-kins. Sure hope T3 isn't mafia or we lose T_T.
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Wat. Where were you???
Vote quickly, flame might have intentionally not showed up to extend voting period to get more active people in!
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Where is flame, btw? He's posted in other threads...
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On June 27 2010 13:25 BrownBear wrote:
Wat. Where were you???
Vote quickly, flame might have intentionally not showed up to extend voting period to get more active people in!
that'd be entirely unfair to the people who thought 'ah too late ah well glhf'
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On June 27 2010 13:37 Divinek wrote:
that'd be entirely unfair to the people who thought 'ah too late ah well glhf'
did anyone do this?
yes i know i fucked up and i'm praying for a miracle
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how would we know? you can think something without posting it
gl, though im a big believer in sticking to rules, especially really easy to follow ones like this
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Either we messed up our daycount, or something is seriously wrong.
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On June 27 2010 13:34 BrownBear wrote:
Where is flame, btw? He's posted in other threads...
I'm flitting. It's been up to Korynne to mod since I've been jumping around for the weekend.
-__-
I'll end day since it hasn't happened.
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Team 9 is going to be lynched.
Durak, Zyrre, stormtemplar, and johnnyspazz are to be modkilled for not voting.
Night post to be put up shortly.
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Night 2:
Team 9 (DCLXVI and Divinek) the Townie is lynched.
Durak of Team 5, Zyrre of Team 7, and stormtemplar and johnnyspazz of Team 8 are modkilled.
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My bad, I was at a party. =X
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Sorry everyone. I had some real life things I could not miss. I hope I don't lose us the game and thanks for giving me a chance to play.
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On June 27 2010 11:51 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:49 Divinek wrote:
i think this will be the list now -1 more town team, probably the one with two people
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5.YellowInk
6.L
7.Nikon
8.BrownBear
Rofl, if that's the case, we might have lost enough votes for the game to be over unless we get a medic prot. PRETTY SHIT TIMES UP IN HERE.
Oh god LOL we have a lower number of players than the number of teams we started off with.
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Yeah, depending on who's hit this night, we might be mathematically dead.
That we aren't already dead is also a piece of information.
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AWESOME.
It's by number of teams, btw, not number of players, so even if the mafia happens to be the two 2-player teams, we'd still be alive. At least, I think that's how it works.
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If mafia control the lynch numerically, it doesn't fucking matter how many teams are left.
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So, now we are in this wonderful state we like to call LYLO, as in, Lynch or Lose. Unless a highly awesome thing happens (there happens to be a medic in the game, and he happens to protect the right person tonight, and he happens to not get roleblocked), we are going into tomorrow with 3 town, 2 mafia. We miss a lynch from this point out, and it's game over.
So, with that in mind, let's look at who's left in the game...
Team 3: 2 people still (LaXerCannon and bumatlarge)
Team 4: 2 people (Ace and DTA
Team 5: YellowInk
Team 6: L
Team 7: 2 people (Nikon and Meeple
Team 8: Me all by my lonesome T_T
Friggin inactive teammates... I have the gimpest of the gimp votes now, because I now have only 2 votes to everyone else's 3. This sucks. Moving on...
By the time the night is over, I'd like to see everyone analyze the team ABOVE them on this list (so team 3 analyzes me, I analyze team 7, etc. etc.) gogogogogogogo.
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On June 28 2010 03:08 L wrote:
If mafia control the lynch numerically, it doesn't fucking matter how many teams are left.
Shit son, you are correct.
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TEAM 7: Nikon, zyrre (smote), meeple
A quick overview
-The most inactive team still left in the game.
-Only posts, and I mean ONLY posts, when their integrity or inactivity is called into question.
Now, in most games, this alone would be grounds for a lynch. However, given the gravity of the situation, we should look deeper.
Pages 1-29 or so: almost NOTHING of substance. Like seriously. They didn't even have to post to get out of being lynched thanks to BM-Chez playing the retard card and getting lynched for it. Definitely sets themselves up to be standard lurker team, contributing almost nothing. Interestingly, zyrre was slightly more active, but he's now dead.
Page 31: Zyrre agrees with Ace against L - looks good for L, bad for Ace, given the way I'm leaning on this team.
Page 33: Nikon posts this:
On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.
Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.
Well, in this case, DCL actually had pretty good logic. It is pretty rare that mafia gets modkilled, even more so if the mafia is someone like Caller. Caller getting mafia is just an epic excuse for him to troll, you have to think he'd jump at the chance. I think that modkills make it less likely that a team has a blue/red role, at least in this game, because the addition of something else to do/the feeling of power for having a blue/red role tends to make people more active (sure, mafia try to lurk all the time, but they also tend to post just enough to avoid modkills).
Secondly, why would L push for killing Team 1 right after having an argument with them? L knows that if there's a public argument in a thread, and then one party in that argument dies, the other party tends to get lynched for "shutting up" the other person. It's a pretty weak reason to lynch someone, because mafia knows about it too and will lynch one half of a townie argument to throw suspicion on the other townie. I don't buy L double-faking us out like that.
So Nikon's logic is flawed, let's see if meeple has anything to say.
In between, zyrre has some excellent analysis going, and some decent quality posts, but most of it was what had already been said before, so he actually wasn't that helpful. I guess he got modkilled for failure to vote, which sucks. Back to meeple...
meeple...
Apparently did not post in the thread the entirety of Day 2. Looking at the voting thread, looks like he didn't vote either.
Wut? How is he not modkilled?
Summary: Zyrre was the only part of this team that had somewhat ok logic, and he is dead, and even he was pretty inactive and unhelpful, preferring to only say what had been sad before. Nikon is kind of fail at a) staying alive, b) posting things of substance, and c) provoking any meaningful discussion.
I'm starting to get a scum read here.
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Sorry really busy with patries and work this weekend. T9 lynch was not a good move, and only increases the chances of L or T4 being mafia. Hopefully Ill be able to read more into everything much later ar in the morning
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Guys PM me your night action. Also, I guess since flamewheel adjusted voting powers (not something I had originally thought of) then mafia doesn't win until their total voting power is higher than town's total voting power.
So if there are two teams left and one is mafia but has less voting power than the town team, then mafia loses. This was not considered in the original setup when I had just intended for teams to be modkilled together and votes to always be 1/n... so hopefully this won't break the game too much...
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On June 28 2010 07:02 Korynne wrote:
Guys PM me your night action. Also, I guess since flamewheel adjusted voting powers (not something I had originally thought of) then mafia doesn't win until their total voting power is higher than town's total voting power.
So if there are two teams left and one is mafia but has less voting power than the town team, then mafia loses. This was not considered in the original setup when I had just intended for teams to be modkilled together and votes to always be 1/n... so hopefully this won't break the game too much...
(From OP):
On June 21 2010 12:53 flamewheel wrote:
If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win the game.
I argue that if the mafia votes equal the townspeople votes, the mafia win.
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Equal to is fine (and actually Qatol is probably right, equal to is correct, not greater than), basically when mafia ties town. My point was that it should be by votes and not by number of teams.
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On June 28 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Pages 1-29 or so: almost NOTHING of substance. Like seriously. They didn't even have to post to get out of being lynched thanks to BM-Chez playing the retard card and getting lynched for it.
Are we even playing the same game? You're doing exactly what Murray did, trying to vote me off on false pretenses. Or like, let's all selectively ignore parts of the game altogether.
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On June 28 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Secondly, why would L push for killing Team 1 right after having an argument with them? L knows that if there's a public argument in a thread, and then one party in that argument dies, the other party tends to get lynched for "shutting up" the other person. It's a pretty weak reason to lynch someone, because mafia knows about it too and will lynch one half of a townie argument to throw suspicion on the other townie. I don't buy L double-faking us out like that.
So Nikon's logic is flawed,
Your logic blows. Just because you believe that someone hasn't done something, doesn't mean it is so, especially when you're missing information. You are missing information, right?
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"meeple...
Apparently did not post in the thread the entirety of Day 2. Looking at the voting thread, looks like he didn't vote either.
Wut? How is he not modkilled?
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he was V/LA
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Should start at normal time, aka about 90min from now.
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I really expect to die tonight, so I'll say this; When looking at who mafia might be tomorrow, make sure to look at impossible scenarios which would already have resulted in their win. A 3+4 team, for instance, cannot exist because they'd have won already.
Keep that in mind, because the total vote counts are very likely to be important. There are certain night hits that automatically reveal who the other team is, so they might not move to destroy the maximum amount of votes. I personally think they'll hit a 3 or 4 player team unless they can auto-win by hitting the six vote team.
Anyways, best of luck town. Guarantee we shoulda bonked Ace yesterday.
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jeez this kid can't even make up his mind about who's scum. Sounds like scum to me.
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I don't think they they'll hit us or team 4 because that would make it a lot more obvious on who's mafia or not (assuming town is still alive after losing one of team 3,4).
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I can't make up my mind because I still think you're scum?
Dang. You're an idiot.
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On June 28 2010 09:53 LaXerCannon wrote:
I don't think they they'll hit us or team 4 because that would make it a lot more obvious on who's mafia or not (assuming town is still alive after losing one of team 3,4).
I forgot a don't, but yeah. If they kill certain teams they automatically lose the game.
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On June 28 2010 09:54 L wrote:
I can't make up my mind because I still think you're scum?
Dang. You're an idiot.
didnt you just post some crap yesterday about T7 or Team 8 saving Team 9 in the previous day's wagon? Or was that just to get votes off of yourself which would of course be totally understandable.
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On June 28 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 09:54 L wrote:
I can't make up my mind because I still think you're scum?
Dang. You're an idiot. didnt you just post some crap yesterday about T7 or Team 8 saving Team 9 in the previous day's wagon? Or was that just to get votes off of yourself which would of course be totally understandable.
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure who your partner team is, but don't worry, I've got a pretty good idea.
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So tell us now oh wise sage of the mountain.
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Like, actually? You guys have said absolutely everything possible about each other. Now all you two are doing is mudslinging, which absolutely does not help us at all.
We're in LYLO. We need careful, detailed analysis on EVERYONE, not just one or two people, and if you two bury the entire thread in a long drawn-out argument, like you did yesterday, we're not gonna get that. So unless you two are mafia and actively trying to stop town discussion from happening, just shut the hell up, and talk about some other people for once.
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calm yourself. What are you getting at? If we both think the other is certainly scum and we might hit LyLo then no shit we're going to try and off the other. Why would we even try to go after someone were even less certain of? Explain yourself.
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To be rather frank, I'm pretty sure letting their team control 2 lynches and having both of them come up town is pretty conclusive that they're mafia.
I'd rather have this shit said now than get offed and let Ace cruise off the back of a terrible town to victory.
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On June 28 2010 10:50 L wrote:
To be rather frank, I'm pretty sure letting their team control 2 lynches and having both of them come up town is pretty conclusive that they're mafia.
I'd rather have this shit said now than get offed and let Ace cruise off the back of a terrible town to victory.
If you really think Ace is mafia, you should know that him offing you is really dumb.
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Honestly, at this point I'm really inclined to assume that both of you are just town, and mafia has been laughing their asses off at the last couple of days.
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On June 28 2010 10:57 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 10:50 L wrote:
To be rather frank, I'm pretty sure letting their team control 2 lynches and having both of them come up town is pretty conclusive that they're mafia.
I'd rather have this shit said now than get offed and let Ace cruise off the back of a terrible town to victory. If you really think Ace is mafia, you should know that him offing you is really dumb.
Why? Because he knows I'm going to push for his death tomorrow regardless?
He can simply point to your post here and go "LOL OBV WASNT ME, IM NOT THAT OBVIOUS". With another team and his teammate supporting him, it literally takes a single town member to fuck up and bam; his team wins. If 2 town members fuck up, lol awesome, now his passive mafia team gets to hide and not go on the vote record in a bad spot for the second Lylo we'll have after T4's demise.
Either way, he's in a decent position because a buncha chowderheads decided not to read the thread during day 2 and let him off the hook.
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On June 28 2010 10:46 Ace wrote:
calm yourself. What are you getting at? If we both think the other is certainly scum and we might hit LyLo then no shit we're going to try and off the other. Why would we even try to go after someone were even less certain of? Explain yourself.
It's not that I don't want you to off someone you think is mafia. There are 2 mafia in the game though. If you saw my earlier post, I want everyone to analyze someone in a list, which you haven't done yet. Neither of you has.
Pushing for someone who you are convinced is mafia is totally fine, but there is a limit, and we have to be thinking for the future, assuming there is one. So you both have made your argument, you can just vote on each other, and maybe analyze who you think the second mafia is.
If you still want to compete for votes, here you go: I'll place my vote aligned with whoever I think contributes more to the town by analyzing other people and posting quality shit today.
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whatever, you do that then. I'll deal with the second scum team after L is dead and gone.
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I'm siding with L on this
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On June 28 2010 11:04 LaXerCannon wrote:
I'm siding with L on this
Explain why pls.
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On June 28 2010 11:03 Ace wrote:
whatever, you do that then. I'll deal with the second scum team after L is dead and gone.
Your narrowmindedness on this is whats gotten us into trouble in the first place. Can't you just spend ONE POST to analyze team 3 today? It won't kill you.
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Actually there's no point in not telling everything since it's lynch or lose
-Team 3 is a detective team.
-Day 1 we got ROLEBLOCKED
This means we have a medic, a DT, a roleblocker team , and a mafia team
-We role checked team 4 to be mafia on day 2
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Because THE OTHER FUCKING TEAM JUST CONTROLLED TWO LYNCHES ON TOWNIES.
Besides that they've done nothing besides push against me and BM/Chez. Ace doesn't even bother trying to push another team because identifying a mafia 'team' is irrelevant to him; he just needs people convinced enough to vote per-lynch.
As of right now, I think 4-7 is the most likely mafia team.
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Mafia wins, gg. I will make a longer post with much more interesting information in a couple minutes.
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oh. nevermind then.
Well, I was medic, for what it's worth.
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LaXerCannon you make me sad, this information is too late. Night was over 7 minutes before you made your post.
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Yep they shot T3. Dunno why med didn't prot T3.
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Would it have changed anything? ; ;
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Oh shit it would've, sorry brownbear
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Yeah, here's what went down for Team medic:
Day 1, we lynched Team 2 (fail)
Night 1, we protected Team 4 (extra fail)
Day 2, we lynched Team 9 (f-f-f-fail), and 2/3 of the team decided to go AWOL
Night 2, we protected Team L, but that didn't seem to make that much of a difference.
So yeah. All the modkills Day 2 murdered Town stone cold dead.
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On June 28 2010 11:09 LaXerCannon wrote:
Would it have changed anything? ; ;
YES.
The 6 vote teams were the only possible target for medic protection tonight because of how the votes work. Mafia woulda won with both 6 voters.
Coming out and saying "LOL ACE IS MAFIA IM A DT LETS GO CHOO CHOO" woulda ended the game in our favor. You had another check after a successful lynch on Ace and we had a med prot on you tonight.
You KNOWING there was a medic after being roleblocked and not coming out earlier is unreal.
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On June 28 2010 11:10 BrownBear wrote:
Yeah, here's what went down for Team medic:
Day 1, we lynched Team 2 (fail)
Night 1, we protected Team 4 (extra fail)
Day 2, we lynched Team 9 (f-f-f-fail), and 2/3 of the team decided to go AWOL
Night 2, we protected Team L, but that didn't seem to make that much of a difference.
So yeah. All the modkills Day 2 murdered Town stone cold dead.
Why would you prot me. I have 3 votes.
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And yeah... fuck. Should have protected Team 3, my bad.
For what it was worth, I was convinced Team 4 was town until the last page, when Ace's stubbornness made me start to wonder.
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I think for Night 2, you should've flipped a coin to protect team 3 and team 4 since they still had 2 people each.
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This game was full of fail. Modkill game wtf???
I look forward to postgame discussion. Do we want to do it in IRC?
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On June 28 2010 11:11 L wrote:YES. The 6 vote teams were the only possible target for medic protection tonight because of how the votes work. Mafia woulda won with both 6 voters. Coming out and saying "LOL ACE IS MAFIA IM A DT LETS GO CHOO CHOO" woulda ended the game in our favor. You had another check after a successful lynch on Ace and we had a med prot on you tonight. You KNOWING there was a medic after being roleblocked and not coming out earlier is unreal.
I didn't know ace was mafia until under 10 minutes ago when I checked my PM boxed
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Modkills sold the game Wasn't sure if we had medic and/or DT till the end, was going to mount up a DT claim tomorrow depending on what happened.
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And yeah... LaXer, would have been awesome to know that at the beginning of the night. Still, the majority of the blame lies with me for being retarded and not protecting Team 3 (I was gonna protect Team 4 until Ace finally pissed me off too much).
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On June 28 2010 11:11 LaXerCannon wrote:
I think for Night 2, you should've flipped a coin to protect team 3 and team 4 since they still had 2 people each.
Given no other information, this was definitely how it should have been done.
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On June 28 2010 11:12 YellowInk wrote:
This game was full of fail. Modkill game wtf???
I look forward to postgame discussion. Do we want to do it in IRC?
Yeah, which channel?
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On June 28 2010 11:12 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 11:11 L wrote:On June 28 2010 11:09 LaXerCannon wrote:
Would it have changed anything? ; ; YES. The 6 vote teams were the only possible target for medic protection tonight because of how the votes work. Mafia woulda won with both 6 voters. Coming out and saying "LOL ACE IS MAFIA IM A DT LETS GO CHOO CHOO" woulda ended the game in our favor. You had another check after a successful lynch on Ace and we had a med prot on you tonight. You KNOWING there was a medic after being roleblocked and not coming out earlier is unreal. I didn't know ace was mafia until under 10 minutes ago when I checked my PM boxed
Come out and say you checked them, ask for medic protection. The moment you saw the vote totals you had no other move because a hit on you was gg.
:/
Oh well. Wasn't like you played worse than all of the townies who didn't bother reading the thread at all on Day 2.
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On June 28 2010 11:11 BrownBear wrote:
And yeah... fuck. Should have protected Team 3, my bad.
For what it was worth, I was convinced Team 4 was town until the last page, when Ace's stubbornness made me start to wonder.
I was taunting you lololololololololol.
I could write a book as to how to dupe the town. There were so many bad bad bad logic leaps and arguments this game. Jeezus christ.
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Bumatlarge was suspicious of team 4 since night 1 but we couldn't verify it until it was too late ><
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I'll hope into #TMMM on the teamliquid irc
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On June 28 2010 11:15 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 11:11 BrownBear wrote:
And yeah... fuck. Should have protected Team 3, my bad.
For what it was worth, I was convinced Team 4 was town until the last page, when Ace's stubbornness made me start to wonder. I was taunting you lololololololololol. I could write a book as to how to dupe the town. There were so many bad bad bad logic leaps and arguments this game. Jeezus christ.
You bastard
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Modkills didn't lose you the game - Scum team was so good this game. Everyone on our team pretty much share the MVP award for this win.
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On June 28 2010 11:15 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 11:11 BrownBear wrote:
And yeah... fuck. Should have protected Team 3, my bad.
For what it was worth, I was convinced Team 4 was town until the last page, when Ace's stubbornness made me start to wonder. I was taunting you lololololololololol. I could write a book as to how to dupe the town. There were so many bad bad bad logic leaps and arguments this game. Jeezus christ.
No one bothers reading posts anyways. Half the town got modkilled during the day we had to push you.
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On June 28 2010 11:16 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 11:15 Ace wrote:On June 28 2010 11:11 BrownBear wrote:
And yeah... fuck. Should have protected Team 3, my bad.
For what it was worth, I was convinced Team 4 was town until the last page, when Ace's stubbornness made me start to wonder. I was taunting you lololololololololol. I could write a book as to how to dupe the town. There were so many bad bad bad logic leaps and arguments this game. Jeezus christ. No one bothers reading posts anyways. Half the town got modkilled during the day we had to push you.
Your posts on Day 2 were so terrible why would they. You made a ton of mistakes that I'll be sure to point out after I finish watching the BET awards. Seriously you should have learned something about arguing against someone you are 100% sure is scum by now.
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On June 28 2010 11:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 11:16 L wrote:On June 28 2010 11:15 Ace wrote:On June 28 2010 11:11 BrownBear wrote:
And yeah... fuck. Should have protected Team 3, my bad.
For what it was worth, I was convinced Team 4 was town until the last page, when Ace's stubbornness made me start to wonder. I was taunting you lololololololololol. I could write a book as to how to dupe the town. There were so many bad bad bad logic leaps and arguments this game. Jeezus christ. No one bothers reading posts anyways. Half the town got modkilled during the day we had to push you. Your posts on Day 2 were so terrible why would they. You made a ton of mistakes that I'll be sure to point out after I finish watching the BET awards. Seriously you should have learned something about arguing against someone you are 100% sure is scum by now.
Rofl, I had like 5 out of game observers being like "I can't believe town isn't reading anything, so stupid" to me in PMs.
Was pretty hilarious.
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So basically here's the breakdown:
Here is a summary of voting power.
LaXerCannon and bumatlarge: 6
Ace and Darth: 6
YellowInk: 3
L: 3
Nikon: 3
BrownBear: 2
That totals to 23.
If mafia has 12, it's gg for town (12/23), so this is not something we take into account.
If mafia has 9, then if mafia kills the other 6, then it will be 9/17, which is gg for town.
If mafia has 5 or 6, then town is pretty safe, and we move along.
Okay, so that means medic should clearly protect one of the teams with 6 people, because mafia will likely try to kill off the other team of 6 people to end the game (or they have only 5 or 6 points, unlikely given the fact that that means a few mafia were modkilled). The medic at first protected Ace's team, and then switched, completely sub-optimally to L. I would probably partially blame L for telling town that mafia would try to kill him off, he should know better given the above information.
Now, detective. Detective knew that there was a roleblocker because they got roleblocked the first night, which means that they should know that there is a medic. Detective checked Ace's team, which is completely correct given that they are the other team of 6. Now, this is where the detective should have roleclaimed because the medic needs to save the DT to win, and if the medic saved Ace's team (as the only other proper option) then they would lose.
So... both medic and DT played very sub optimally. Medic at first did the right thing by protecting one of Ace and Laxer, but when they decided that Ace looked scummy switched instead to L, probably because of the argument between Ace and L, rather than switching properly to the other team of 6, bumCannon. Basically, medic should protect the less scummy of bumCannon and Ace, because if they were both mafia then it is gg for town anyway.
So yeah... very sad and disappointing last hour for me modding this game. =\
Mafia was correct in killing bumCannon in that I doubt town was smart enough to coordinate properly to do what I said. Besides then YellowInk would still not be discovered, so there was still hope. So gg mafia.
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I don't think the modkills were detrimental to town. I believe that if BrownBear and bumCannon acted correctly, then you guys would be in a great position.
At the end of the day:
Mafia vote power: 3
Mafia KP: 1
Town: DT and Medic
Town vote power: 14
In fact, the modkills put you guys into a unique position to be able to make an optimal play. Doing very simple analysis here would've helped a lot guys. =\ And even if you weren't DT/medic, town should have noted this and mentioned it in the thread.
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Yeah, I let the thread get the better of me. I was convinced one of Ace and L were gonna murder each other out of rage.
First time playing medic, so don't rag on me too much plz.
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A bunch of us are in #TMMM chatting right now if the rest of you care to join.
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I never rage. I'm always calm ^_^
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On June 28 2010 11:24 Korynne wrote:
I don't think the modkills were detrimental to town. I believe that if BrownBear and bumCannon acted correctly, then you guys would be in a great position.
At the end of the day:
Mafia vote power: 3
Mafia KP: 1
Town: DT and Medic
Town vote power: 14
In fact, the modkills put you guys into a unique position to be able to make an optimal play. Doing very simple analysis here would've helped a lot guys. =\ And even if you weren't DT/medic, town should have noted this and mentioned it in the thread.
Err, it was noted and mentioned.
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On June 28 2010 11:27 Ace wrote:
I never rage. I'm always calm ^_^
Sure you do. Just not during the game.
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yea I actually rage more after the game when ya know, people tell me "it was so obvious you were scum" but never prove it in game. *yawn*
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Ah really sorry fellas really wasted atm.
i told laxer t4 was probably red, but we got roleblocked, 2nd day i just wasnt sober enought to whip ot my phone int the past 2 days, but honestly with some hotchicks graduating, i doubt i ccould have mustered the strehgth. Im personally glad i leaned toward t4 at the end there and all more hunches were right. i only have to apologize to L for the shitty game we townies played. Gonna maybe post more if my finvgers stop shaking. goodnight lol
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MVP: Team 4
LVP: BrownBear
Carcinogeneticist: Team 2
Radfield Jr. Team 1
Hangover: BumCannon
Angrybear: Korynne
Korynne: Yink
And now, I present to you:
THE BEARIES!!!
![[image loading]](http://www.filmfestivals.com/pixus/festivals/berlin/2001/ours_dor.jpg)
(please note: Bearies are lighthearted trophies I decided to give out because I felt like it. No insult or emotional distress is intended by the Bearies. If you are insulted by a Bearie, it is probably because you are angry and/or neoconservative and/or German, and hate web 2.0 )
Fun awards I thought I'd give out to players for their different accomplishments in this game. It was a ton of fun, and I didn't want it to end without at least some recognition for some players, so without further ado...
THE BIG GOLDEN BEARIE: For most valuable player (name credit goes to L)
Goes to Team 4!!! Team 4 absolutely packed town's shit this game. They passed themselves off as extremely pro-town, while simultaneously stopping all discussion via his long, drawn out, exceptionally well done argument with L. He kept me convinced he was mafia until the last possible second, when it didn't matter anyway. GG
THE RADFIELD JR. BEARIE: For most hard luck townie
Goes to Team 1! Radfield finally won his own bearie, getting predictably shot on night 1, while Korynne also gets nailed by the curse of the Radfield. She was so excited to play in her own setup too T_T
THE CARCINOGENETICIST BEARIE: For the best troll (Someday someone will get this reference, I swear)
Goes to Team 2! Team 2 had oh so much fun spamming the thread. The fake medic claim was hilarious, especially to the real medic (me). The morse code misdirected everyone. Even after death, Bill Murray still had fun in the thread, calling POLICY POLICE on Ace, then later on posting "8 MINUTES TO GO" (in the wrong thread), and causing us all to freak out, if only for a moment. Classy, and classic.
SPECIAL AWARD: THE IDRABACON "FUCKING SKILLESS NOOBIE" BEARIE: For most boneheaded townie
Goes to me T_T
Actually, lets let this be a teaching moment. At night 2, there were still 6 teams in the game. The aggregate voting power, spread out amongst these teams, was 23. Mafia still had 3 players in the game (Ace, DTA, and YellowInk) and controlled 9 or these 23 votes.
There were 3 2-person teams left: Ace/DTA (mafia), Nikon and meeple (town, 4 votes), and bumatlarge/LaXer (town, 6 votes). Mafia needs only to knock off 5 votes to end the game in a victory for them.
As medic, I had two options to ensure that no matter what, mafia wouldn't end the game: protect Team 4 or Team 3. I started off protecting Team 4. Now, as the night wore on, and Ace started being a stubborn prick in the thread, I started rereading what he posted, and came to the conclusion that he was actually mafia.
Logically, what I should have done then was switch my vote over to Team 3, thus ensuring that at best nobody would die, and at worst town would still have enough voting power to potentially win. Inexcusably, though, I read "oh shit, Ace is mafia" in the thread, then chose to protect L.
Yep. I protected 3-vote L instead of 6-vote team 3. I had the balance of the game in my hands and I blew it. Hurp Derp.
This is me:
This lesson applies to other mafia games as well, not just ones set up like this. In a LYLO situation where there is a mayor and a medic, ALWAYS protect the mayor. His 3 votes will swing the balance of the game between victory and defeat. Don't let the thread get the better of you, if you are medic, ALWAYS look at shit like this before you decide to protect. It could end up saving the game.
THE "I WAS HUNGOVER AND MISSED THE GAME" BEARIE: For the other team that dropped the ball
Goes to Team 3, I'm afraid. Team 3 had gotten back a mafia rolecheck on Team 4 on day 2. Logically, in a LYLO situation, you would roleclaim in the thread, ask for medic protection, and hopefully survive long enough to lynch the mafia. If this had happened, 3 things would have happened:
I wouldn't have failed, and would have protected him.
Team 4 would have been lynched
Town would probably have won.
Sadly, LaXer was at a party. And bum was nowhere to be seen. Thus, this golden opportunity was missed, and town suffered.
THE ANGRY BEARIE: For most rage
Goes to Korynne Sorry dude. I fucked up. Sorry I couldn't bring it home for you.
THE KORYNNE BEARIE: For the best rookie
This one is hard. Originally, I was going to give it to Durak, because he tried very hard and actually posted some good stuff. Sadly, he got modkilled on Day 2, thus disqualifying himself for this bearie (modkills are an auto-disqualify for any of the bearies given out for playing well). Thus, with no other rookies in the game, this bearie will go to YellowInk again, despite it being technically his second game :D GJ Yellow, you played very well and I never suspected you as mafia!
That's all for this time folks! GG all, it was fun, see you next game!
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On June 28 2010 12:32 BrownBear wrote:MVP: Team 4 LVP: BrownBear Carcinogeneticist: Team 2 Radfield Jr. Team 1 Hangover: BumCannon Angrybear: Korynne Korynne: Yink And now, I present to you: THE BEARIES!!! (please note: Bearies are lighthearted trophies I decided to give out because I felt like it. No insult or emotional distress is intended by the Bearies. If you are insulted by a Bearie, it is probably because you are angry and/or neoconservative and/or German, and hate web 2.0 ) Fun awards I thought I'd give out to players for their different accomplishments in this game. It was a ton of fun, and I didn't want it to end without at least some recognition for some players, so without further ado... THE BIG GOLDEN BEARIE: For most valuable player (name credit goes to L) Goes to Team 4!!! Team 4 absolutely packed town's shit this game. They passed themselves off as extremely pro-town, while simultaneously stopping all discussion via his long, drawn out, exceptionally well done argument with L. He kept me convinced he was mafia until the last possible second, when it didn't matter anyway. GG THE RADFIELD JR. BEARIE: For most hard luck townie Goes to Team 1! Radfield finally won his own bearie, getting predictably shot on night 1, while Korynne also gets nailed by the curse of the Radfield. She was so excited to play in her own setup too T_T THE CARCINOGENETICIST BEARIE: For the best troll (Someday someone will get this reference, I swear) Goes to Team 2! Team 2 had oh so much fun spamming the thread. The fake medic claim was hilarious, especially to the real medic (me). The morse code misdirected everyone. Even after death, Bill Murray still had fun in the thread, calling POLICY POLICE on Ace, then later on posting "8 MINUTES TO GO" (in the wrong thread), and causing us all to freak out, if only for a moment. Classy, and classic. SPECIAL AWARD: THE IDRABACON "FUCKING SKILLESS NOOBIE" BEARIE: For most boneheaded townie Goes to me T_T Actually, lets let this be a teaching moment. At night 2, there were still 6 teams in the game. The aggregate voting power, spread out amongst these teams, was 23. Mafia still had 3 players in the game (Ace, DTA, and YellowInk) and controlled 9 or these 23 votes. There were 3 2-person teams left: Ace/DTA (mafia), Nikon and meeple (town, 4 votes), and bumatlarge/LaXer (town, 6 votes). Mafia needs only to knock off 5 votes to end the game in a victory for them. As medic, I had two options to ensure that no matter what, mafia wouldn't end the game: protect Team 4 or Team 3. I started off protecting Team 4. Now, as the night wore on, and Ace started being a stubborn prick in the thread, I started rereading what he posted, and came to the conclusion that he was actually mafia. Logically, what I should have done then was switch my vote over to Team 3, thus ensuring that at best nobody would die, and at worst town would still have enough voting power to potentially win. Inexcusably, though, I read "oh shit, Ace is mafia" in the thread, then chose to protect L. Yep. I protected 3-vote L instead of 6-vote team 3. I had the balance of the game in my hands and I blew it. Hurp Derp. This is me: This lesson applies to other mafia games as well, not just ones set up like this. In a LYLO situation where there is a mayor and a medic, ALWAYS protect the mayor. His 3 votes will swing the balance of the game between victory and defeat. Don't let the thread get the better of you, if you are medic, ALWAYS look at shit like this before you decide to protect. It could end up saving the game. THE "I WAS HUNGOVER AND MISSED THE GAME" BEARIE: For the other team that dropped the ball Goes to Team 3, I'm afraid. Team 3 had gotten back a mafia rolecheck on Team 4 on day 2. Logically, in a LYLO situation, you would roleclaim in the thread, ask for medic protection, and hopefully survive long enough to lynch the mafia. If this had happened, 3 things would have happened: I wouldn't have failed, and would have protected him. Team 4 would have been lynched Town would probably have won. Sadly, LaXer was at a party. And bum was nowhere to be seen. Thus, this golden opportunity was missed, and town suffered. THE ANGRY BEARIE: For most rage Goes to Korynne I fucked up. Sorry I couldn't bring it home for you. THE KORYNNE BEARIE: For the best rookie This one is hard. Originally, I was going to give it to Durak, because he tried very hard and actually posted some good stuff. Sadly, he got modkilled on Day 2, thus disqualifying himself for this bearie (modkills are an auto-disqualify for any of the bearies given out for playing well). Thus, with no other rookies in the game, this bearie will go to YellowInk again, despite it being technically his second game :D GJ Yellow, you played very well and I never suspected you as mafia! That's all for this time folks! GG all, it was fun, see you next game!
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Oh shit. That was quote, not edit.
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Danger Will Robinson. Danger!
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WAiIT I WAS HUNGOVER AnD MISSED THE.... oh wait nvm continue bb, mini mafia is intense.
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well atleast bm had the right idea at the start lol too bad spam got the better of him
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Not going to think about it.
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Am I a winner or loser? Loser I guess
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Don't worry man, you're a winner in my heart.
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(Addressing YellowInk)
On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Close...but not close enough. Oh well.
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Arg... ._. bumatlarge leaves me alone for a couple hours and I lose the game for us.
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BB, I think the newbie bearie should only be able to go to first timers =P. Unfortunately, none of them were too good. Divinek/Durak/stormtemplar were our noobies? I guess Divinek wins by default since he didn't get modkilled. Leave it un-given imo =p.
http://excoboard.com/somethingveryverysecret
gg all ^^
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Fuckin laxer get you shit together, nearly got myself lybched abot 40 times doind the right thing.
but seriously whenever i initially posted i was very inflenced by a certain substance, so i always had to rectify my posts with logical answers, which I guess kinda helped in the end when everyone was still to reserved to focus against bad posters.
Screw inactives, let those guys have homosex all they want, just ignore them and spammers as the game goes on
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WOWOWOW.
I swear to god id like to see any of you gys live after day1 when reading that forum. Fuckin makin fub of "bumats" tgeam whens hes delusional. I haxd all yo shit nailed if i wasnt to scared to come out completely on day2 and just say T4 was red.
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On June 28 2010 14:26 DarthThienAn wrote:BB, I think the newbie bearie should only be able to go to first timers =P. Unfortunately, none of them were too good. Divinek/Durak/stormtemplar were our noobies? I guess Divinek wins by default since he didn't get modkilled. Leave it un-given imo =p. http://excoboard.com/somethingveryverysecretgg all ^^
yeah this game was rofl bad
i spent the whole game just trying not to die, let alone actually figure anything else out
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On June 28 2010 15:01 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 14:26 DarthThienAn wrote:BB, I think the newbie bearie should only be able to go to first timers =P. Unfortunately, none of them were too good. Divinek/Durak/stormtemplar were our noobies? I guess Divinek wins by default since he didn't get modkilled. Leave it un-given imo =p. http://excoboard.com/somethingveryverysecretgg all ^^ yeah this game was rofl bad i spent the whole game just trying not to die, let alone actually figure anything else out
What great teamwork we had. I thought the strategy was to get us lynched.
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Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 13:05 L wrote:No I don't. It's very well known that I always says Player ability is much more important than Blue roles. That is of all things one of the reasons I'm the best player on these forums - regardless of whatever I flip I'm leading you to scum. Secondly why would I talk about DTs or Medics when we aren't even sure if we have any? No, that's not very well known at all. In fact the moment we started switching to F11, you stopped playing consistently. Judge's comments in that game alone were pretty on the money about your play. Why would you talk about DTs or Medics if we aren't even sure if we have any? Is that a joke? DTs checking certain players over others and keeping good players alive seems to be a pretty pro-town thing. I guess you disagree, but that seems typical because you aren't here to win, you're here to survive until day 3. Wrong. Look at my last post I proved you wrong in which you still haven't answered. I explained why I voted for Bm and Chez. I'll quote it again for you here: Completely right. Even the post you quoted that 'exonerates you' supports my statement that you railed on BM and Chez's posting style. The RVS analysis is pretty hilarious, because BM's usage was textbook correct. He basically talked about one of the jeep tells, which is standard. The rest is LITERALLY YOU HARPING ON THEIR POSTING STYLE. You don't like their style of posting. You don't like the amount of pushing they do. You didn't like the volume of their posts. You literally defend yourself by quoting evidence against yourself. Sorry bro. Not gonna cut it. Once again you are making things up. I called T2 out on their play in THIS GAME. Spamming, multiple vote switching, massive accusations, blatant misuse of terms and game theory - all behavior that did not help the town. Whoa. You called them out on shit that you said you disliked in them from previous games. Shocker. Somehow that means you didn't try to import a pre-game bias despite arguing directly from it?! AMAZING CONCLUSION ACE. NEXT WILL YOU TELL US UP IS DOWN AND LEFT IS RIGHT? So let's assume this is true (which it isn't) - If my playstyle is to lay low and cruise then why am I so active in this game? I was one of the most active players all Day 1. Hell I was more active than you yourself but yet I was laying low? Another blatant lie. Let's move on because I like the taste of your scum blood You aren't active. You're tossing out 1 liner shit posts and throwing crap in my and t2's direction. You haven't done a single constructive thing besides that. Like I said, you feign activity but dont' produce proper work for the town, exactly like Zato describes in his analysis of your play. It has nothing to do with post volume, but post content. But okay, pretend that's a 'BLATANT LIE'. Seems everything anyone says about you must be one. So L where are all my 1 liner's and tossing shit at people You uh, seem to have forgotten that the two posts prior to the post I'm quoting you in have been 1 liners wherein you've tossed shit at me. LITERALLY WITHIN THE LAST 10 POSTS, TWO OF YOUR POSTS ARE OF THE TYPE THAT YOU ARE PRETENDING YOU ARE NOT MAKING. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DESPERATION. Where on that page do I say anything about BM/Chez's playstyle. Quote it!. You can't because it didn't happen - once again you're lying. Well, your narrative against their playstyle is pretty much all across the thread (including the post i am replying to), but are you referring to me saying that you said they lied? If so: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=23#455Oh shit, I quoted it. There you are straight up calling them liars (again, because EVERYONE LIES ALL THE TIME RIGHT?!). BM wasn't lying. I proved that in my post. You are just trying to discredit him with your bullshit, as you're trying to do with me. Its pretty obvious that your goal here isn't to do much else than discredit people then push for their lynch. You did it with BM, you're trying to do it with me.Once again a blatant lie No, actually it isn't. I'm definitely not cool with being lynched. Where did I state that? Right here champ. Of course if L flips green/blue you can do whatever you please. You basically try to wriite this off that no one's talking about being lynched, when you have a gigantic radfield confirmed green post saying that if I die and flip green, you're 100% red. You reply with "ok do whatever you want at that point". If you're town you don't want people 'doing what they want' if you get the lynch on me wrong (and it is indeed wrong), because it automatically loses the game. You're trying to twist your way out of this, but its pretty obvious that you're running outta rope. See. Once again I've bagged you for falsely representing my position. Blatant lying. You're definitely getting my vote but in my next post a couple of hours from now I'm going to implicate you in shooting T1 last night. You're definitely scum. See? Zato's analysis is 100% right. You make empty posts that feign activity, throw shit around, then try to get people lynched without adding anything to the town. Pretending everyone 'lies' when they push you doesn't make what they say lies. You 100% fit the profile of Mafia Ace. You are Scum. Post of the game: L MVP of the game: Ace LVP of the game: all those afk people... maybe korynne's day 1 vote at the end.
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On June 28 2010 15:28 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 15:01 Divinek wrote:On June 28 2010 14:26 DarthThienAn wrote:BB, I think the newbie bearie should only be able to go to first timers =P. Unfortunately, none of them were too good. Divinek/Durak/stormtemplar were our noobies? I guess Divinek wins by default since he didn't get modkilled. Leave it un-given imo =p. http://excoboard.com/somethingveryverysecretgg all ^^ yeah this game was rofl bad i spent the whole game just trying not to die, let alone actually figure anything else out What great teamwork we had. I thought the strategy was to get us lynched.
well it was clearly a great success
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On June 22 2010 15:15 Chezinu wrote:Hi guys, I just want everyone to know that the lack of PMs will never stop me from privately talking to those I love! I <3 .-...! + Show Spoiler +MzggMzQgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzUgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzggMzUgMjAgMzYgMzkgMjAgMzQgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzcgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzggMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzcgMjAgMzcgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzggMjAgMzggMzEgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzggMzggMjAgMzcgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzUgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzggMzIgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzggMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzggMzUgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzggMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzQgMzggMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzcgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzcgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzggMzUgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzIgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzYgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzggMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzIgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzcgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzggMzUgMjAgMzkgMzcgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzcgMzAgMjAgMzQgMzggMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzEgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzUgMzEgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzcgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzggMzYgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzcgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzYgMzcgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzQgMzggMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzUgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzUgMjAgMzcgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzYgMzcgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzUgMzEgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzggMjAgMzcgMzQgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzUgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzggMzIgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzEgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzUgMzEgMjAgMzcgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzEgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzEgMzIgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzcgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzggMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzQgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzYgMzcgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzAgMjAgMzggMzggMjAgMzggMzEgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzUgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzUgMzcgMjAgMzQgMzggMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzQgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzkgMzkgMjAgMzUgMzEgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzggMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzggMzEgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzcgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzAgMjAgMzggMzIgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzEgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzYgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzcgMjAgMzkgMzAgMjAgMzEgMzEgMzIgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzMgMjAgMzYgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzYgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzcgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzggMzUgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzMgMjAgMzggMzkgMjAgMzggMzcgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzkgMzggMjAgMzUgMzAgMjAgMzUgMzMgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzggMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzEgMjAgMzUgMzcgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzkgMjAgMzcgMzMgMjAgMzcgMzIgMjAgMzggMzYgMjAgMzEgMzIgMzIgMjAgMzcgMzYgMjAgMzEgMzAgMzUgMjAgMzUgMzIgMjAgMzYgMzE= + Show Spoiler +
I guess I'll translate this since nobody ever did...
"No PMs are allowed. Let us form a town circle with those who can translate this message. That way we can pretend to be cool. Be wary of those who can read but do not respond. The mafia can be anyone of us.."
On June 22 2010 15:57 Chezinu wrote:I can't take the silence, you don't like me when I am in the silence! BILL MURRAY WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO!!! Who will maintain my sanity! Please someone talk to me!!! Dear .-..., + Show Spoiler +NTIgOTkgMzIgNTQgNTcgMzIgNTEgNDggMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTQgNTcgMzIgNTIgNDkgMzIgNTUgNTQgMzIgNTIgNTcgMzIgNTIgNTEgMzIgNTEgNTIgMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgNTcgMzIgNTIgNTEgMzIgNTEgNTYgMzIgNTQgNTUgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTMgNTEgMzIgNTEgNTIgMzIgNTQgNTUgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTQgNTcgMzIgNTIgNDkgMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgNTcgMzIgNTIgNTEgMzIgNTEgNDggMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTQgNTcgMzIgNTIgNDkgMzIgNTUgNTQgMzIgNTIgNTcgMzIgNTIgNTEgMzIgNTEgNDggMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTMgNTEgMzIgNTEgNDggMzIgNTQgNTUgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTMgNTEgMzIgNTEgNDggMzIgNTUgNTIgMzIgNTIgNTcgMzIgNTIgNTEgMzIgNTEgNTIgMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTMgNTEgMzIgNTIgNDkgMzIgNTUgNTMgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTMgNTEgMzIgNTEgNTIgMzIgNTUgNTIgMzIgNTIgOTkgMzIgNTQgNTcgMzIgNTEgNDggMzIgNTQgNTU= + Show Spoiler +
decodes to this:
.-.. / .. / -. . . -.. / -.-- --- ..- .-.-.-
which means: "L i need you."
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how the hell is anyone supposed to decode that garbage?
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On June 28 2010 17:29 johnnyspazz wrote:
how the hell is anyone supposed to decode that garbage?
I was hoping someone would decode it..
I did test other methods:
On June 23 2010 04:20 Chezinu wrote:
Murray, where are you? Every time I'm on you seem to be away... Don't you care about me? I'm so lonely without my other half.. Can someone talk to me?
Like this for instance. Seems like meaningless spam? Or does it roleclaim medic?
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Radfield
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Well, I had Ace and DTA pegged as mafia, but I wonder if I could have pushed to lynch them on Day 2 if I was still in the game. Probably not. Had no clue about Yellowink.
Great game mafia, you guys rocked.
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On June 28 2010 14:28 bumatlarge wrote:
Fuckin laxer get you shit together, nearly got myself lybched abot 40 times doind the right thing.
but seriously whenever i initially posted i was very inflenced by a certain substance, so i always had to rectify my posts with logical answers, which I guess kinda helped in the end when everyone was still to reserved to focus against bad posters.
Screw inactives, let those guys have homosex all they want, just ignore them and spammers as the game goes on
I was just kidding by the way laxer...
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