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On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.
This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them.
Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages.
I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me.
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Guess I'll just keep posting my thoughts since none of you are probably up.
BM wrote this:
and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder...
about me.
The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it.
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On June 23 2010 18:15 Zyrre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.
This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them. Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages. I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me.
Didnt you just say if you were going to vote for someone active you would do it based on all the posting that has been done today? Then you cast your vote on bm's team saying it just feels 'off' without any reasonable backing, starting to like my vote where it is based on this and the first post
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On June 23 2010 13:12 DarthThienAn wrote:
BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
When I saw that list, I immediately interpreted it as a summary of the last few pages, possibly because I had recently read all of the posts and knew it was along those lines, but still, I didn't see it as a random "L's lynch list" kind of deal or anything like that at all.
Divinek, that's all I wanted to know =p.
yo brosef i see you voted for mah team. But yeah id like to know why since at this point team 1 can basically jump in and sway the current win either way, was it something in my saying or is it cause my team mates have been too quiet. Wouldn't want your vote to be the deciding one sitting idly on my team
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Several players posted about BM's early posting with flawed logic and at that time I posted I was leaning towards him. I now responded to one of his latest post(partly directed at me), and explained why it was wrong.
Do you want me to quote it all in one post? It seems unnecessary.
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Naw, it's just you bolded the word all so i really was expecting a lot to justify a vote or something. It's just harder to interpret, do you agree with everything that has been said about him? Or only certain parts? Do you have any of your own original ideas on it? Feelings just dont seem such an easy thing to rely on
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Ok, I'll stop using that word and be more specific. The last sentence was just a badly worded summary.
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On June 23 2010 16:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i'm still waiting for the explanation of your coded messages with chez
i met a guy named judge from mini mafia 3
i met him on a site called mafia scum his name is AGar
"Ah I see. I stumbled in at the beginning of Jaedong/Flash (Bacchus OSL/GOMTV S4 MSL), but I watched the GOMTV Star Invite and saw Iris play.
I am, but I'm not too active anymore - vx70GTOJudgexv
I've kinda stopped following seriously."
I decided to copy his medic claim to soak a mafia hit, but as we are sort of a target to be lynched, i'll admit that we are not a medic and were trying to help the down by pushing whoever (if we have any) are blue into a later game scenario...
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On June 23 2010 16:15 Nikon wrote:I read the whole thread but this latest post catches my eye: Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have. ITT: Proposing an arbitrary method of quantifying the amount of scumness each team possesses in such a manner as to fit your OMGUS against Zyrre, and also to support lynching the target of "lynch the inactives" as well. But then again, you say yourself that team 1 has been very inactive so far - the same can be said for your team as well since a portion of your posts have been coded, then there's posts like this one, which are just grasping at straws, and then there's posts like Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch? Which is just blatantly wrong. Your numbers are off, and even if they weren't, they're based off an assumption that's not entirely verifiable. Moreover Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
You guarantee us that something might happen? Shit, I guarantee you that it might rain tomorrow in Arizona. I like how both you and YellowInk deal a preemptive strike at me, clearly if team 7 suddenly shows up after all the inactivity, that's a scumtell.
How is it an OMGUS when he voted for me just like an hour ago? I've been saying this guy is scummy for like 20 hours. I don't care if you show up, your buddy on your team is scummy.
If you really read my post you would see that I am advocating lynching one of 4 teams, not just yours. I am advocating lynching a team without someone who has voted first. I picked yours because I have reasons not to pick the other ones. Team 9 are split, Team 1 are inactive, and I feel like Team 3 are probably newer players. Your team doesn't have a real excuse for your scumminess and lack of voting someone first which makes me feel like you are the best lynch candidate and who will be lynched unless Radfield and Korynne come out and both vote for Chez and I which would indicate that they are probably scum (at least to me, as I am privy to my role PM)
On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote:
From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on.
It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone.
On June 23 2010 18:37 Zyrre wrote:Guess I'll just keep posting my thoughts since none of you are probably up. BM wrote this: Show nested quote +and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... about me. The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it.
Hmm... you do have a point there.
I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me.
i KNOW voting for me is bad for the town.
I have also heard there is a trend with 3rd voters being scum. Lets analyze who put the 3rd vote on teams:
lets see who was the 3rd to vote for team 7: On June 23 2010 10:17 LaXerCannon wrote:
##vote: Team 7
hmm. LaXerCannon is with bumatlarge. I *did* have minor fos on him with his argument from yellowink in which he appeared sort of scummy early on.
the third vote on my team -> On June 23 2010 10:24 meeple wrote:
##Vote: BM/Chez
Funny it's from team 7. Every "method" I can think of points to them somehow.
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I don't know what the deal with Radfield is. He seems a bit missing... =(
I haven't cast my vote because I know I'll be around at the deadline so there's really no point in voting ahead of time.
In terms of inactivity, I don't really do much on day 1 unless there's something about the setup to discuss. Like, PYP with Qatol and number claiming and role claiming. The other time in Bang Bang i was trying to set up a town system which clearly didn't work... xD
I feel like I ease into the game better as days go by, so don't expect too much from me on Day 1. That being said, I will post analysis of teams in a bit (I have class now).
I will analyze BM/Chez, LaXer/bum, Durak/YI, Nikon/Zyrre.
Explanation for skipping the rest:
1. I'm not going to analyze myself...
4. I like Ace's style, so I'm probably biased, also they don't seem to be suspicious atm
6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\
8/9 Feels like they're not talking much yet, also not sure how to read new people.
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6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\
the problem is, as in WaW mafia, Caller is inactive as shit on day 1 as mafia
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On June 23 2010 21:54 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 16:15 Nikon wrote:I read the whole thread but this latest post catches my eye: On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have. ITT: Proposing an arbitrary method of quantifying the amount of scumness each team possesses in such a manner as to fit your OMGUS against Zyrre, and also to support lynching the target of "lynch the inactives" as well. But then again, you say yourself that team 1 has been very inactive so far - the same can be said for your team as well since a portion of your posts have been coded, then there's posts like this one, which are just grasping at straws, and then there's posts like On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch? Which is just blatantly wrong. Your numbers are off, and even if they weren't, they're based off an assumption that's not entirely verifiable. Moreover On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
You guarantee us that something might happen? Shit, I guarantee you that it might rain tomorrow in Arizona. I like how both you and YellowInk deal a preemptive strike at me, clearly if team 7 suddenly shows up after all the inactivity, that's a scumtell. How is it an OMGUS when he voted for me just like an hour ago? I've been saying this guy is scummy for like 20 hours. I don't care if you show up, your buddy on your team is scummy. If you really read my post you would see that I am advocating lynching one of 4 teams, not just yours. I am advocating lynching a team without someone who has voted first. I picked yours because I have reasons not to pick the other ones. Team 9 are split, Team 1 are inactive, and I feel like Team 3 are probably newer players. Your team doesn't have a real excuse for your scumminess and lack of voting someone first which makes me feel like you are the best lynch candidate and who will be lynched unless Radfield and Korynne come out and both vote for Chez and I which would indicate that they are probably scum (at least to me, as I am privy to my role PM) Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote:
From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on. It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 18:37 Zyrre wrote:Guess I'll just keep posting my thoughts since none of you are probably up. BM wrote this: and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... about me. The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it. Hmm... you do have a point there. I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me. i KNOW voting for me is bad for the town. I have also heard there is a trend with 3rd voters being scum. Lets analyze who put the 3rd vote on teams: lets see who was the 3rd to vote for team 7: hmm. LaXerCannon is with bumatlarge. I *did* have minor fos on him with his argument from yellowink in which he appeared sort of scummy early on. the third vote on my team -> Funny it's from team 7. Every "method" I can think of points to them somehow.
Don't play coy with me Murray, you don't know shit. At first we were being voted for being inactive and now you said you're not voting team 1 cause they were inactive? But since you've been saying that Zyrre is scummy for 20 hours,
No wait, you haven't. He said that he's suspicious of you and then you procceeded to make up "evidence" as to why team 7 is mafia. How's that for an OMGUS? You say he voted for you not too long ago? Well, no shit, your team has the second highest votecount (I wonder why) and is the obvious choice in the position he's in. Not to mention your posts make as much sense as Chezinu's coded whargbargl which just serves to mud up the thread. Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. Let me direct your attention to something you wrote:
On June 23 2010 21:54 Bill Murray wrote:Hmm... you do have a point there.
I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me.
That's just another piece of crap, an easy way out for you when we flip green. You can point back to it and say "Well, I told you I wasn't the best". It's the same deal as your "I can guarantee 25% chance of success" which doesn't guarantee anything in the end. And how did you arrive at that number? You KNOW voting for you is bad for the town? Well, how about the stirrup you've caused from nothing? That isn't bad? At this point there's 18% chance that you're mafia, and that shot is as good as any.
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BM:
It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone.
I'm assuming you're talking about either this:
YI said:
If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by,
So I guess he means if both are somewhat inactive.
Even so, a team with one good player and one inactive should be looked upon as a single good player for a regular game in my opinion. We don't gain anything from lynching the inactive half do we?
Maybe looking at them slightly more suspicious, but not much.
or this:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
One is a simple clarification + me actually disagreeing with YI because I did not understand the voting rules (teams are lynched instead of players).
The other would not be anything to go on if we would flip red. YI posted a whole lot, he pointed something out that seemed reasonable and that I would therefore base my voting on.
I don't see how you can call this kissing up.
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Radfield
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On June 23 2010 22:19 Korynne wrote:
I don't know what the deal with Radfield is. He seems a bit missing... =(
I haven't cast my vote because I know I'll be around at the deadline so there's really no point in voting ahead of time.
In terms of inactivity, I don't really do much on day 1 unless there's something about the setup to discuss. Like, PYP with Qatol and number claiming and role claiming. The other time in Bang Bang i was trying to set up a town system which clearly didn't work... xD
I feel like I ease into the game better as days go by, so don't expect too much from me on Day 1. That being said, I will post analysis of teams in a bit (I have class now).
I will analyze BM/Chez, LaXer/bum, Durak/YI, Nikon/Zyrre.
Explanation for skipping the rest:
1. I'm not going to analyze myself...
4. I like Ace's style, so I'm probably biased, also they don't seem to be suspicious atm
6. L is L... and then there's the whole issue of Caller not really doing anything =\
8/9 Feels like they're not talking much yet, also not sure how to read new people.
I'm here Korynne, and I'm trying, but two games+ super busy = low activity. Thank goodness that there's no talking in BM's game during the night. I'll send you a PM and lets find a time we're both online.
I'm not sure why me and Korynne haven't been getting more flak for being inactive, but I'm glad. I'm going to try to be more active though.
Initial thoughts:
Lynching inactives at this point seems foolish(says the inactive poster). We don't learn anything from it, and those people are never mafia anyways. Mafia are generally pretty sure to stay above the inactivity radar on day 1. However, most of the people seem to agree with that and are voting on scummyness. Also, voting for inactives give the mafia a great place to hide, and a clear cut reason for voting.
L and Caller strike me as a little off for the moment. Both because Caller is very inactive and L is generating a lot of confusion in the thread.
BM and Chez don't strike me as mafia. But they're hard to get a read on given their posting styles.
I will be going over some of the same teams as Korynne, and we'll try to form a concensus on what we think.
I'll post more later, I just wanted to get down some thoughts.
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Billinu/Chez Murray
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Beginning is just random spam, nothing uncharacteristic of Chez or BM though I would say.
Continuous amounts of morse code talk despite being able to PM each other and the availability of morse code translators online.
Mistakes YellowInk for someone else from Three Kingdoms Mafia.
BM states that people complaining about their encoding system are likely to be mafia...
Argument with YellowInk and stating YellowInk is scummy.
Chez disagrees with BM and says some mumbo jumbo.
Chez asks whether he should reveal if he believes a team is blue/red.
Chez posts an "analysis" of Korynne/Radfield, its overall reaction from others has been uh wut, that made no sense.
Chez states that it is a trend for mafia/blue to discuss blue roles more.
Chez says that Korynne/Radfield were too excited when the game started...
Chez says he wants to wait for L to put order to town.
Chez states that he believes YellowInk to be more town.
Chez says BM made him shit up the thread on Day 1 after L asked.
BM scrutinizes YellowInk some more, accuses Ace of wanting to kill off the only people that are scum hunting.
BM continues with morse code even after everyone basically says that's a terrible thing.
BM states Zyrre is drawing his FoS.
Chez states that having only a select few being able to read his code makes the game "fun"
BM still onto Zyrre.
Etc etc. BM says he's town.
Chez plays a kind of "victim" role where he's like omg BM isn't explaining things to me, why can't town analyze me instead of him?
Chez "breaks up" with BM, and is now supposedly doing his own thing.
More randomly BM/Chez bickering in the thread...
BM/Chez really onto the whole "vote analysis" idea. If they turn up scum, I would examine their take on the vote analysis more.
BM claims that they are normal townies, not medic.
Etc etc etc.
Chez and BM regularly post random things indicating that they have not spoken to each other for a while or need to speak to each other. Not sure how to read this, but they seem to do this alot.
Oh btw, in response to "No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory"
We don't really need to come up with our own idea on who to vote for if we haven't voted yet... I would say it's only scummy if I just voted for whoever had a bunch of votes and said like oh yeah, what he said, you know...
Conclusion: Well they are really active... so I mean that's a plus. However quality of posting isn't all that great, but it is Day 1. I'm okay with letting them live at least another day to get a better read, since they are pretty guaranteed to speak a lot.
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What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then?
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Yeah I agree Radfield, on the whole why have we not been getting more flak for not posting. But honestly, if we were mafia that would probably be the dumbest thing to do. Oh hey, let's just blatantly play not our usual style and see if we look suspicious.
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I think the reason you two aren't getting a lot of flak is because a couple of players are setting off everyone's radar.
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if by "setting off radars" you mean "attempting to become a bastion of pro-town play by forming a town circle"
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I am just kidding. I am not playing well this game doing vote analysis?
I was trying to help the town in all honesty. If you all want me to do something, ask it of me, and I will do it. My play this game is not in line with my play as mafia -at all-.
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