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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 23 2010 23:57 GMT
#501
Redfield, are you voting for team 9 due to inactivity or because you actively read red in them? We may not agree on time frames, but pressure on team 9 was applied so late that if the team is not checking here frequently (besides Div) that they just may not respond.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 23 2010 23:59 GMT
#502
On June 24 2010 08:43 Bill Murray wrote:
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On June 24 2010 08:41 Divinek wrote:
feeling someones red because of wishy washing voting is a bad read? really?

you made a bad read and tried to justify it with fabricated wishy washy voting unless youre talking about chezinu in which case i understand... he doesn't tell me anything, either.




id still like you to address this, you've switched votes just as many times as him
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 24 2010 00:00 GMT
#503
i am town. deal with it.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 24 2010 00:04 GMT
#504
that's what they all say

well based on anything brought up so far im very happy with my vote

if it turns out to be wrong it was still supported with the best evidence thus far so what else can you hope for on the first day
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 24 2010 00:11 GMT
#505
Here Darth, I think any decent posts I made are here, along with what I felt happened with the stint between yellow and I.

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On June 22 2010 14:44 bumatlarge wrote:
Something tells me we won't have alot of inactivity this game, and I don't think letting 3 player teams have a safeguard against lynching because they have a much less likely chance of being inactive, but rather that people on tri-teams will get lazy in their posting. Dual-teams are more likely to give better results as they have more weight. But I see what you are saying, I'd just like to not discriminate in that regard.

I think it's fairly silly to also not lynch ace for the sole reason of getting the DT role alot. Roles are random, so he has as much chance as anybody. But I'd rather not lynch competent people either. Mafia will do that for us >

Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by.

I'm not going to be lynching my own teammate thank you very much.


Response to Yellow's first post

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On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Im offended by your statement!

We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one

So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis.


The confusing post that I confused myself because I wasn't fully aware of the setups and how they worked. Also the post Yellow uses to incriminate me for spreading lies. It was a mistake and a bad post, honest it was

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On June 23 2010 02:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role.

Make yourself expendable


Some townie philosophy, messy, but I still hold to it, if im proving that now.

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On June 23 2010 04:28 bumatlarge wrote:
I dare you cheezenoddle. Your Yoda mind games wont work on me *stink eye*

by night three, mafia has a little less then 50% chance of hitting a a blue if there is one , and considerably higher chance if there are two. In other games I would advise a lategame strategy, but this game should be shorter then usual. The only reason I appear scummy is that I responded to your assumptions of who should be lynched based on the amount of people in each team and whether or not to lynch certain people based on what roles they have gotten previously. Lynching by posting history is a far superior plan then this.

DT cant rolecheck a townie and then PM them, right? So the only use os knowing a regular townie for the public is that it's one less person we'd mistaken lynch. And the only way that would be revealed is if a DT would sacrifice himself... because if we have a medic and a DT then they have a RBer and thats a dead DT, (therefore a DT should only reveal with a mafia in his hand). Then the townie would be an easy target later but there is still the medic.

I just put my vote for yellow as a placeholder until a better candidate comes up, which will be most likely some inactive he hops on a BWagon late with no excuse I guess.

Please keep you vote on me yellow if you are mafia, because that makes it easier for the town if I get lynched. If you back off, I'll gladly take my heat off you and let the majority decide. I'm ready to die cheezenoodle.


Similar to Rad's but we made it at the same time, and I feel stupid for not apologizing to YI for not clearly saying i was correcting my earlier statement. I initially thought this was the post YI meant that was giving a scummy read, which led to others like BM and Ace to question YI, which then led back to me. Another misunderstanding, I believe. -_-

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On June 23 2010 05:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Your basis for voting me off is for disargeeing with you about taking completely chance based guesses and suggesting an "awful" DT plan? Please clarify why it is awful, as I think a DT for one mafia in this game is preferable.

And it hasn't even been close to 24 hours yet, with 48 hours til verdict, correct? People have jobs and lives, and if I did not have this phone I wouldn't have been able to make more then 2 posts since the game started.

I do agree with korynne that all this blame is a bit quick, and from yellows history, he makes very randomly good and then innocuous posts. I'd much rather find some glaringly obvious lurker, but we'll have to wait.


Then after this I get a bit silly seeing people start gunning for each other all of a sudden. I wasn't seriously suggesting to Yellow that we pretend we never had our early conversations, I was remarking that people were emerging from work and such to post.

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On June 23 2010 11:36 bumatlarge wrote:
The emotions coming out now is fantastic, I love the drama.

And whos to say durok here isnt some mastermind himself? Until I've gotten to know someone through my own experience with them, you really can't make too many judgments about them. Give him a shot to earn his spurs, then ask who the fuck he is.

I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. Too bad Laxer is asleep or busy, I dont think he'll be as fun to watch as the previous game, where he was in full bloom of his potential joshin ya laxer. Anyone want some alcohol induced analysis? Spell-check is cool. That is all.


I dont remember this post too well rofl... ok thats pretty bad.

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On June 24 2010 01:01 bumatlarge wrote:
There seems to be little flak going around in general, Im looking at my previously poor constructed posts and people notice but they didnt really pressure me for clarification on where I was going with it. I saw L make a comment about Darh and Ace already having enough content to judge them by.

Its not necssarily the same as inactivity, or even quantiy of posts. For instance Radfield has barely posted, but you can get substance from his posts and get a clear position on his stance. Most of what I have posted is roughly the same as him, but garbled up and repeated (I blame the habit that when im using this small-ass keyboard I post like Im texting -_- and you dont think twice about it)

So if you haven't, make a clear vivd 5-7 line paragraph on what you think is important, if you have not posted substance yet. Check it as if you were handing in an assignment, so we can see your opinion clearly at least. I guess people yellow and darth have pointed out should go ahead and try it. Plus it's nice to see a fresh personality's take on things.


Still unaware


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On June 24 2010 02:18 bumatlarge wrote:
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On June 24 2010 01:38 YellowInk wrote:
BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there.

I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you.

Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX!

So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum.


Feels good man.

I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town. I'm not sure how deep chez played the game he was mafia, but if he kept making silly comments and didn't try a legitmate apology that game, I doubt he's maniacal enough to do it this game. sellfishly hope a DT checks me to prove yo wrong, but it would be waste of a rolecheck just negating your suspicions. But then I know the next thing you'll say is "Thats just you trying to throw the DT off and saving yourself you scuma diver" So you know what?

DT check me tonight to cater to this. Honestly do it so the mafia might get inclined to hit me thinking im something and if im checked, would make me a very legitimate target. That could also draw a medic too. It wold be funny because it might draw the hit away from more analytical players then lax and I.

You did this last game yellow, and we didn't bother to stop you because you were making little sense, but later on you became a threat i gess, Maybe you started off this game like BM and chez are just using a guise that you saw through immediately. Well then you are the better and I humy subject myself to yoursuperior eye for mafia. Or maybe your just hallucinating again. Maybe BM and I were jus t attempting simple noob minded analysis. You honestly thinnk either of us are expecting to live til the end, which I hear is good thing for mafia .

If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia. Surely we will have caght one other red team by then. If I disagree any point after this, you can assume I have clearly stated that I am scum.


I was so certain I would win this discussion because I was thinking why would Yellow have the nerve to bring this up again after others agreed trading a DT for one mafia would be worth it. And I knew Yellow would be a bit neurotic again, so I suggested I'd lynch myself on day 4 if the game was going on, just to prove a point. It looks extremely odd now realizing what he was referring too. And then reading this.

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On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote:
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On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:23 YellowInk wrote:
On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.


I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself!

It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either.

In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine.

As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him.

That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't.


I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification?


On June 24 2010 03:12 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 01:47 YellowInk wrote:
In short, the way that BM and bum attacked me with BM being aggressive and bum staying more to the shadows is what raised my suspicion. Bum's awful post made me read red on him earlier. + Show Spoiler +
Here is the read explanation and response to bum's pass/agg attack: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987&currentpage=5#81
His continued posting style did not lend him any credit.


Oh im at fault, I assumed you meant the post below that. That was a mistake on my part as I didn't do the proper math involving the setups available ntil I read that post. It was posted based on insufficient thought and lack of information on my part. I suppose I never said I corrected it the post down the page. If you think that was purposeful and I intended to never correct it, then I could see why you are thinking that way.


Oops. I initially clicked that link and went to the first post I wrote, not the YI's post quoting the culprit post.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 24 2010 00:12 GMT
#506
On June 24 2010 08:57 YellowInk wrote:
Redfield, are you voting for team 9 due to inactivity or because you actively read red in them? We may not agree on time frames, but pressure on team 9 was applied so late that if the team is not checking here frequently (besides Div) that they just may not respond.


I voted Team 9 based on a red read, and that they were contributing nothing with their posts. However, I've remembered that I don't think it's a good idea to lynch brand new players on day one. I'm talking meta-game here and the interest of having lots of active and enthusiastic players in the mafia forums. But in a 9 player game, I suppose that has to go out the window. I'm fine letting them hang around another day though.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 24 2010 00:16 GMT
#507
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.

BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 24 2010 00:18 GMT
#508
i would like more peoples input on this as it just seemed like me and bm cat fighting
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 24 2010 00:19 GMT
#509
I think you need your teammates to help you. Moocow left? So DCL should try to come out and say things.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 24 2010 00:37 GMT
#510
On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.

BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?

quit stealing my argument
we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 24 2010 00:37 GMT
#511
On June 24 2010 09:18 Divinek wrote:
i would like more peoples input on this as it just seemed like me and bm cat fighting

= town on town, i agree, but it's not what u know it's what u can convince them u know
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 24 2010 00:39 GMT
#512
my post is still coming up; I admit I took a small biking break :X It should be up within the hour
Just keep swimming
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 24 2010 00:40 GMT
#513
On June 24 2010 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.

BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?

quit stealing my argument
we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours?



Nope. So who do you suggest and why, cause honestly your team is my best lead at the moment lol
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 24 2010 00:46 GMT
#514
I've got a feeling team 9 will just pop up green, especially if moocow just up and left like that. I'd rather do this to team 8, but beggars can't be choosers I guess.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 24 2010 00:58 GMT
#515
By the way, Moocow should PM flamewheel if he has to leave the game.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 24 2010 00:59 GMT
#516
he told me he already did
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 24 2010 01:04 GMT
#517
On June 24 2010 09:40 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.

BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?

quit stealing my argument
we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours?



Nope. So who do you suggest and why, cause honestly your team is my best lead at the moment lol


your "best lead" is off-based.
I would suggest someone who is heavily lurking when they lurk as scum like Caller.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 24 2010 01:05 GMT
#518
On June 24 2010 09:58 Radfield wrote:
By the way, Moocow should PM flamewheel if he has to leave the game.

He has, I just have to modkill him, though I'll place him on the banlist with a warning, not a ban.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 24 2010 01:06 GMT
#519
@radfield
I am not sure why my last post "screams mafia" since you didn't bother to elaborate, but sure...

Yes we have been inactive and that is our fault, I just wanted to see where day 1 went and see who would be lynched. Apparently that only works for experienced players. We posted slightly less content than team 1 who is quiet all day, then they accuse us so that they look active.

One question to all of you: What will you gain by lynching a quiet noob team? We have not made many opinions or sided with anyone. Yes that can sound scummy, but we would have to be obscenely stupid to do that if we were mafia. I would expect mafia teams to accuse other teams and throw around suspicion especially if they are in the spotlight. If you lynch us then you get absolutely no information when we flip green. Maybe you can go after team 1, but I think they'll just hide behind the 'lynch the inactive' excuse. I thought the point of the day 1 lynch was to find the role of a team that had supporters and suspicions on people, but apparently I am wrong.

Now we must become one of those wishy washy teams that have been moving their vote to keep themselves out of danger (2,7)

-flamewheel
will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game?
I can already see the ending
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 24 2010 01:07 GMT
#520
On June 24 2010 10:04 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2010 09:40 Divinek wrote:
On June 24 2010 09:37 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote:
If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.

BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?

quit stealing my argument
we could work together and actually lynch a team that are red you know........... mine isn't. is yours?



Nope. So who do you suggest and why, cause honestly your team is my best lead at the moment lol


your "best lead" is off-based.
I would suggest someone who is heavily lurking when they lurk as scum like Caller.



why not vote for him yourself then, cause if my team is your best lead it's also off based
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
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