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My thoughts on the election are that, well, zeks gets a plus because he's actually told us concretely what he's going to do (first lynch -> majority vote?) though if he's serious about that we should probably start voting for the lynch soon. I think his idea for the first lynch is very good.
Darth has a very large word-count-to-post-number ratio, but half of that is that he quotes entirely too much text when he only needs a sentence or two to provide better context :p
His plan for a day 1 lynch looks good (lynching inactives serves to force all players to be active, which benefits the town, and furthermore it's a metagaming play by discouraging lurking in future games which eventually leads to either lots of town victories or better play from at least the mafia side), but I think I'd be more in favor of zeks's method because we get information from a vote count.
He's been talking about strategy somewhat, but mostly
Brownbear, alright, so he's trying to get pardoner. I've not decided which office position mafia would like to have more ... pardoner is more obviously powerful in a way because it wastes a lynch, but the sheer fact that it's more obvious makes it less desirable. Upping mafia vote power to 8 instead of 6 can be a big deal too, so mayor is pretty good in that respect. Denying the town the protection and gaining the immunity to rolechecks that goes with either role is obviously huge. But anyway, I'm not trying to discuss that here; I'm posting impressions of the candidates, so I'll return to that.
His plan for what to do as pardoner is, well, pretty obvious (kill mafia, save good guys!). It sounds good, but it sounds like politician-speak so I don't think it means much. Most of his activity is either his campaign post or his recent discussion with YellowInk. Certainly this is more activity than the average player who's said, well, mostly nothing of substance--having an inactive elected role is wasting the position of invincibility.
YellowInk has put more words in the thread than probably anyone else. Much of it has been jumping on mistakes and claiming that he's clean and can be confirmed, a good deal of the rest has been poking holes in plans. I don't recall him saying what he'd do with his mayor lynch if he wins, but I could have missed it in my skimming the thread again in his sheer number of posts.
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Right now no one has really convinced me in this election, but I'd be voting for Darth or zeks over Brownbear or Inky. I like zeks's vote-for-lynch idea. I don't have a solid scum read on anyone right now, so let's look at inactives so far. As of MTF's post:
barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac
had not posted. Since, AFJ and supernova have posted saying they'll post later.
If we return to bum's compiled clue link list, we have the following people:
1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo
I see LaXerCannon on both of those lists, so I Vote: Lynch LaXerCannon if the elected decides to go by majority vote.
I'll vote for mayor in the morning, since I'm going to bed soon. Let's see some names from the mayor candidates: who would you be lynching if you win? If you decide, like zeks, to go with a majority vote, who are you voting for yourself? Names and reasons, I want more information.
Even you Brownbear. Humor me for a moment even though you're not trying to win. Let's say some freak accident occurs and you do; answer both questions please.
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I second crate's request: more information is always good. However, I think the trustworthyness/reliability/skill of the candidate is more important than his lynching policy. In all those three areas, I think Darth still scores highest for me. I also happen to agree with lynching inactives, since it is beneficial as someone earlier explained to me when I asked.
Wow if I read my last couple posts it sounds like I have a massive hard-on for him. <3.
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On June 04 2010 13:23 crate wrote:YellowInk has put more words in the thread than probably anyone else. Much of it has been jumping on mistakes and claiming that he's clean and can be confirmed, a good deal of the rest has been poking holes in plans. I don't recall him saying what he'd do with his mayor lynch if he wins, but I could have missed it in my skimming the thread again in his sheer number of posts. All of this is true, though it's worth elaborating (since many people seem to miss the point of it) that the fact that there is one clear clue on me makes me easier to create evidence that I am clean (even with a rolecheck block ability). This is what puts me ahead of candidates given a blank slate. Add to this my posting style and choice of strategy and it makes it highly unlikely that I am red.
I had not stated what I would do with my lynch yet. The answer to this is a bit complicated, but since you requested it, it's worth laying out here. The short answer is that I would work with the pardoner to target a relatively inactive poster who has raised suspicion for some reason. If people wanted flexibility rather than just trusting to our judgement, I would be fine with putting together a short list and having the group vote on it.
The reason for doing it this way is because someone who is completely inactive will be modkilled. If I use my lynch on someone who is probably going to get modkilled anyway, this is a wasted lynch. Because I do want to encourage real participation, my lynch target would be someone who is relatively inactive. For example, despite that I am suspicious of BB, Zeks, and LD, none of these people would be the target of my lynch. I havn't put together anything comprehensive yet, but if the day ended right now and I were mayor and had to choose, targets would be people more like AcrossFiveJulys, ElyAs, or deconduo. These are people who have clues pointed at them, have contributed little or nothing to the thread, but have posted and so are avoiding a modkill. No, I'm not convinced that any of these targets are scum, but this method of choosing a target will give us decent odds at hitting one, encourage real participation, and not be wasteful with the lynch.
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I agree with crate, I'd like to hear more policy talk from mayors. As it stands right now, I'm leaning toward Darth, but I am not convinced. Might just end up voting for a random at this point with the way some of the candidates have presented themselves lol
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PS - AcrossFiveJulys, ElyAs, deconduo, (and anyone else who is in the same position) participate in the discussion more and you won't be on this kind of a list! I'm not looking to knock you off, you just made good examples of this type of player thus far in the thread.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2010 13:23 crate wrote: My thoughts on the election are that, well, zeks gets a plus because he's actually told us concretely what he's going to do (first lynch -> majority vote?) though if he's serious about that we should probably start voting for the lynch soon. I think his idea for the first lynch is very good.
Darth has a very large word-count-to-post-number ratio, but half of that is that he quotes entirely too much text when he only needs a sentence or two to provide better context :p
His plan for a day 1 lynch looks good (lynching inactives serves to force all players to be active, which benefits the town, and furthermore it's a metagaming play by discouraging lurking in future games which eventually leads to either lots of town victories or better play from at least the mafia side), but I think I'd be more in favor of zeks's method because we get information from a vote count.
He's been talking about strategy somewhat, but mostly
Brownbear, alright, so he's trying to get pardoner. I've not decided which office position mafia would like to have more ... pardoner is more obviously powerful in a way because it wastes a lynch, but the sheer fact that it's more obvious makes it less desirable. Upping mafia vote power to 8 instead of 6 can be a big deal too, so mayor is pretty good in that respect. Denying the town the protection and gaining the immunity to rolechecks that goes with either role is obviously huge. But anyway, I'm not trying to discuss that here; I'm posting impressions of the candidates, so I'll return to that.
His plan for what to do as pardoner is, well, pretty obvious (kill mafia, save good guys!). It sounds good, but it sounds like politician-speak so I don't think it means much. Most of his activity is either his campaign post or his recent discussion with YellowInk. Certainly this is more activity than the average player who's said, well, mostly nothing of substance--having an inactive elected role is wasting the position of invincibility.
YellowInk has put more words in the thread than probably anyone else. Much of it has been jumping on mistakes and claiming that he's clean and can be confirmed, a good deal of the rest has been poking holes in plans. I don't recall him saying what he'd do with his mayor lynch if he wins, but I could have missed it in my skimming the thread again in his sheer number of posts.
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Right now no one has really convinced me in this election, but I'd be voting for Darth or zeks over Brownbear or Inky. I like zeks's vote-for-lynch idea. I don't have a solid scum read on anyone right now, so let's look at inactives so far. As of MTF's post:
barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac
had not posted. Since, AFJ and supernova have posted saying they'll post later.
If we return to bum's compiled clue link list, we have the following people:
1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo
I see LaXerCannon on both of those lists, so I Vote: Lynch LaXerCannon if the elected decides to go by majority vote.
I'll vote for mayor in the morning, since I'm going to bed soon. Let's see some names from the mayor candidates: who would you be lynching if you win? If you decide, like zeks, to go with a majority vote, who are you voting for yourself? Names and reasons, I want more information.
Even you Brownbear. Humor me for a moment even though you're not trying to win. Let's say some freak accident occurs and you do; answer both questions please.
I thought the first lynch idea was a given - any mayor who lynches without the town's approval = scummy to me.
Dude, who manages their quoting. lol. I just quote crap and respond to it. I spoiler the big stuff when I remember to.
I'll have to disagree with you on something though, crate. I think either YellowInk or BrownBear are the best candidates for office. I lean toward Yellow more because of a couple things:
1) The fact that BB goes for pardoner, a great position for mafia and also a position more "under the radar" is suspicious to me. 2) Both players > zeks. zeks has shown (to me) some relatively poor logic. These two have shown relatively good logic. Zeks was also the first one to announce his running, which is suspicious to me (mafia, of course, want the office). 3) I'm afraid that my love for BB is clouding my thoughts which is why I'm so tripped up on all of this.
@Inactives: I sent PMs to the inactives on that list, minus AFJ. supernovamaniac responded so far . If the others log on to TL, they'll see it =P.
I obviously didn't do my homework and cross check - like you said LaXerCannon is a great lynch target if he doesn't post by then. If not, this is my "lynch preference" inactive+clue > inactive > clue for day 1. So it'd come down to that. I'm assuming that the town would agree with me on this part since we have so little information.
So, I'd probably be lynching either LaXer, barth, IcySoul, or AFJ, in that order.
(reading YellowInk's response) I disagree with the bit about the modkill. I'd rather kill someone who's going to die anyway and preserve the town population count at this point. Maybe as a day 2 or 3 thing where we have more information, but at this point, I wouldn't mind lynching an inactive who will be modkilled anyway.
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Why is my post most recent =[. Where are you all? I'm sleeping soon but still >_>. It's kind of early, yea? :D.
On another note, people who read this: do what crate did and give your impression of me, YellowInk, BrownBear, and zeks. And anyone else who steps up as mayor. This is really helpful to the town, me personally, and is in no way helpful to the mafia. So write away!
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Am I the only one that stress that we only need the mayor position and is willing to give up pardoner position to the mafia. My voting for Darth is that I hope he is pro town. If he is not, GG. The format of this game is very weird. The game is intended that each side will get either the mayor or the pardoner role (look at the ability of mayor and pardoner, check and balance).
If Darth is pro town, then the pardoner role is almost a liability to town (that he might pardon two lynches in the late game).
I also want to suggest an alternative that might be very controversial. To lynch the pardoner on day2. This way, we eliminate the possibility that the mafia running for mayor but fail and get the pardoner role. This is just an alternative that we can use depending how the voting goes.
Again, this is all based on the fact that Darth is pro town (flamewheel, this format sucks so much for town)
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On June 04 2010 13:48 DarthThienAn wrote: (reading YellowInk's response) I disagree with the bit about the modkill. I'd rather kill someone who's going to die anyway and preserve the town population count at this point. Maybe as a day 2 or 3 thing where we have more information, but at this point, I wouldn't mind lynching an inactive who will be modkilled anyway.
For the sake of argument, consider a game of mafia where we had no roles except vanilla townie and vanilla scum. It's clear that in a game like this, you never want to waste a lynch - it's the only way townies have a way to kill scum ever, even if it's completely random it is a net zero play. In truth, at the end of day 1 we do have some information, though it is limited - we have all of the posts that people have made thus far. So choosing a lynch victim based on the information we have is a pro townie play, even if it is still somewhat random.
Now consider a regular game with roles like the one we're actually playing. If one were to argue that wasting the first lynch is pro town because we havn't done any investigating yet, this is implying that as the game goes on, the game evolves into a state where townies continuously gain advantage over time. This simply isn't the case. On day 2 and sometimes day 3, the town will still have little to no real 'hard evidence' on anyone. Our lynch victims will be chosen based on various reasonings - mostly that we think either the target is scum, or that if the target is revealed to be town it will strongly imply that someone else is scum, or to encourage a certain behavior (being active) so that we gain the capacity to root out the scum. It's the same on day 1 - we choose a lynch victim that will improve the state of the game such that we can find mafia.
I avoid choosing to lynch someone who is likely to be modkilled because lynching such a person does not provide motivation. They were going to die anyway. As such this is a wasted kill. Therefore this does not benefit the town. Per my earlier post, I expect that AFJ, Elyas, and DD will be contributing more to the thread. If they don't, they're ignoring this kind of a warning and should be lynched.
Does this make things clearer?
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crate - you don't happen to go to Oberlin, do you?
On June 04 2010 13:23 crate wrote:
Brownbear, alright, so he's trying to get pardoner. I've not decided which office position mafia would like to have more ... pardoner is more obviously powerful in a way because it wastes a lynch, but the sheer fact that it's more obvious makes it less desirable. Upping mafia vote power to 8 instead of 6 can be a big deal too, so mayor is pretty good in that respect. Denying the town the protection and gaining the immunity to rolechecks that goes with either role is obviously huge. But anyway, I'm not trying to discuss that here; I'm posting impressions of the candidates, so I'll return to that.
His plan for what to do as pardoner is, well, pretty obvious (kill mafia, save good guys!). It sounds good, but it sounds like politician-speak so I don't think it means much. Most of his activity is either his campaign post or his recent discussion with YellowInk. Certainly this is more activity than the average player who's said, well, mostly nothing of substance--having an inactive elected role is wasting the position of invincibility.
The inactivity is my bad, sorry. I've been extremely busy the last couple of days trying to get a visa application out the door, but I will have a lot of time tomorrow to analyze and stuff. As a warning, though, I have job training this weekend so I will only be around in the evenings Saturday and Sunday.
As to my politician-speak, eh, pardoner's not really that complicated of a role, it's hard to think of a different strategy as pardoner. I mostly posted that to prove that yes, I know how to play pardoner, I wasn't expecting everyone to jump on it and analyze it to death, lol. I'm not running for mayor because I backed Darth as a better candidate because he's a better player than me. I'm trying for pardoner simply because no strong candidate had emerged yet besides darth (the only other vote in the thread was YellowInk voting for himself), and I really didn't want mafia to get it. So, it's a bit of a gamble. I'm throwing myself on the line, hoping you all will trust me and trust when I say I am green, and in return, if I'm elected, I'll play pardoner to the best of my abilities.
...god that was more politician speak, wasn't it I'm not really sure how to phrase it otherwise though: I think mafia is in a good position to make a run at elected office right now, with only one strong candidate. I want to be the second-strongest candidate, so that we keep the elected roles out of the mafia's hands. Hope that makes sense.
so let's look at inactives so far. As of MTF's post:
barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac
had not posted. Since, AFJ and supernova have posted saying they'll post later.
If we return to bum's compiled clue link list, we have the following people:
1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo
I see LaXerCannon on both of those lists, so I Vote: Lynch LaXerCannon if the elected decides to go by majority vote.
I like this. I don't think we lynch first day, though: just elect mayor. Unless mayor decides who to lynch? I'm not really sure about that. Rules clarification would be awesome ^^
I'll vote for mayor in the morning, since I'm going to bed soon. Let's see some names from the mayor candidates: who would you be lynching if you win? If you decide, like zeks, to go with a majority vote, who are you voting for yourself? Names and reasons, I want more information.
Even you Brownbear. Humor me for a moment even though you're not trying to win. Let's say some freak accident occurs and you do; answer both questions please.
It's not humoring you, I'm glad to answer.
Who would I be lynching:
If anyone throws themselves out as particularly scummy (which rarely happens day 1), I would choose them for the lynch target. If there's nobody, though, I will put it to a vote. I myself would probably vote for an inactive, both as an incentive to make those inactives post (hurry up you guys we love you and want you to play ) or one of the people connected to the clues. I have not thought much about it yet, but there's still 24 hours and a lot of posting left in the day, so are you cool with me answering this question more fully with an actual list of names tomorrow sometime?
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Flamewheel did mention something about mod killing the inactive (those who didn't vote). Someone got to confirm with Flamewheel on that matter about will he really mod kill the inactive.
For the first lynch, I want the target to be an inactive (posted minimum to stay alive) and also has clues relating to him.
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On June 04 2010 14:06 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 13:48 DarthThienAn wrote: (reading YellowInk's response) I disagree with the bit about the modkill. I'd rather kill someone who's going to die anyway and preserve the town population count at this point. Maybe as a day 2 or 3 thing where we have more information, but at this point, I wouldn't mind lynching an inactive who will be modkilled anyway. For the sake of argument, consider a game of mafia where we had no roles except vanilla townie and vanilla scum. It's clear that in a game like this, you never want to waste a lynch - it's the only way townies have a way to kill scum ever, even if it's completely random it is a net zero play. In truth, at the end of day 1 we do have some information, though it is limited - we have all of the posts that people have made thus far. So choosing a lynch victim based on the information we have is a pro townie play, even if it is still somewhat random. Now consider a regular game with roles like the one we're actually playing. If one were to argue that wasting the first lynch is pro town because we havn't done any investigating yet, this is implying that as the game goes on, the game evolves into a state where townies continuously gain advantage over time. This simply isn't the case. On day 2 and sometimes day 3, the town will still have little to no real 'hard evidence' on anyone. Our lynch victims will be chosen based on various reasonings - mostly that we think either the target is scum, or that if the target is revealed to be town it will strongly imply that someone else is scum, or to encourage a certain behavior (being active) so that we gain the capacity to root out the scum. It's the same on day 1 - we choose a lynch victim that will improve the state of the game such that we can find mafia. I avoid choosing to lynch someone who is likely to be modkilled because lynching such a person does not provide motivation. They were going to die anyway. As such this is a wasted kill. Therefore this does not benefit the town. Per my earlier post, I expect that AFJ, Elyas, and DD will be contributing more to the thread. If they don't, they're ignoring this kind of a warning and should be lynched. Does this make things clearer?
Your logic does make sense, but you're assuming that people are actually having the thought "Today, I'm gonna get modkilled!" The whole lynch-inactives idea is really there to force people to be more active. If people think that not posting is going to get them lynched, they will post, simple as that. The more people post, the more likely it is that a scummy player will slip up somewhere - the reason why another of our policies is Lynch all Liars.
Also:
On June 04 2010 12:55 DarthThienAn wrote:
Dude I always thought it was Finger of Suspicion.
D'OH! >< You are right, I am an idiot.
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On June 04 2010 14:06 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 13:48 DarthThienAn wrote: (reading YellowInk's response) I disagree with the bit about the modkill. I'd rather kill someone who's going to die anyway and preserve the town population count at this point. Maybe as a day 2 or 3 thing where we have more information, but at this point, I wouldn't mind lynching an inactive who will be modkilled anyway. For the sake of argument, consider a game of mafia where we had no roles except vanilla townie and vanilla scum. It's clear that in a game like this, you never want to waste a lynch - it's the only way townies have a way to kill scum ever, even if it's completely random it is a net zero play. In truth, at the end of day 1 we do have some information, though it is limited - we have all of the posts that people have made thus far. So choosing a lynch victim based on the information we have is a pro townie play, even if it is still somewhat random. Now consider a regular game with roles like the one we're actually playing. If one were to argue that wasting the first lynch is pro town because we havn't done any investigating yet, this is implying that as the game goes on, the game evolves into a state where townies continuously gain advantage over time. This simply isn't the case. On day 2 and sometimes day 3, the town will still have little to no real 'hard evidence' on anyone. Our lynch victims will be chosen based on various reasonings - mostly that we think either the target is scum, or that if the target is revealed to be town it will strongly imply that someone else is scum, or to encourage a certain behavior (being active) so that we gain the capacity to root out the scum. It's the same on day 1 - we choose a lynch victim that will improve the state of the game such that we can find mafia. I avoid choosing to lynch someone who is likely to be modkilled because lynching such a person does not provide motivation. They were going to die anyway. As such this is a wasted kill. Therefore this does not benefit the town. Per my earlier post, I expect that AFJ, Elyas, and DD will be contributing more to the thread. If they don't, they're ignoring this kind of a warning and should be lynched. Does this make things clearer?
I see your point. Hmm.... If we get a heavy scum read on someone, then of course, lynch them. For a random lynch... I wouldn't mind lynching a lurker who's posted a couple times to survive, but hasn't done much otherwise. I was looking at the people who voted for me and TyranoS_NiveK falls under that category.
One thing - town DOES gain more advantage as time goes on. Mafia start out with such and such information. Town develop that information as the game goes by and get that in addition to their roles. Plus, more information is gathered not only through roles but also through posts. The longer the game goes on, the more likely a scum will contradict himself and be exposed.
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Ahh, ok, I understand Yink a bit better. Yes, I would say that the lynch-inactives rule really should apply to people who are doing the bare minimum to get by (posting once and voting), not to people who are actually about to get lightning'd.
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On June 04 2010 14:04 LunarDestiny wrote: Am I the only one that stress that we only need the mayor position and is willing to give up pardoner position to the mafia. My voting for Darth is that I hope he is pro town. If he is not, GG. The format of this game is very weird. The game is intended that each side will get either the mayor or the pardoner role (look at the ability of mayor and pardoner, check and balance).
If Darth is pro town, then the pardoner role is almost a liability to town (that he might pardon two lynches in the late game).
I also want to suggest an alternative that might be very controversial. To lynch the pardoner on day2. This way, we eliminate the possibility that the mafia running for mayor but fail and get the pardoner role. This is just an alternative that we can use depending how the voting goes.
Again, this is all based on the fact that Darth is pro town (flamewheel, this format sucks so much for town)
That's pretty much a coin flip, since, as you said, Darth being mafia is GG. I suppose him being pro-town is higher than 50%, so, based on odds, it's a valid move and theoretically beneficial. I don't think many people would be comfortable with that though..
As for thoughts on candidates
Darth: General agreement is he posts like a townie, so that's a plus. Also experienced, but that's neither a plus nor a minus. He also seems clear-headed.
Yellow: Posts a LOT. Seems quite defensive when criticized, and I can't really say that I like the guy =/. Just personal preference though, nothing really concrete. Also inciting lots of arguing and conflict that is unnecessary at this point in the game.
Beardude: I really liked him until he responded to Inkguy's attack. His responses weren't that coherent though imo, and he seemed really emotional in that post to me. Also he himself stated that it's personal between the two now, sort of alienating me. However, he IS running for pardoner specifically.
Zeks: There isn't really that much past the few posts that contained mistakes, so can't say much. Suspicious in that he's not a newbie to this game, but I think it's forgivable.
Overall, no one's quite solid, but I'd say that Darth slightly edges out the rest. Basically even for the rest.
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On June 04 2010 14:11 BrownBear wrote:
I like this. I don't think we lynch first day, though: just elect mayor. Unless mayor decides who to lynch? I'm not really sure about that. Rules clarification would be awesome ^^
Mayor chooses the lynch, but I think ultimately, town mayor will listen to what the people say and judge from there.
--CRATE I DID IT JUST 4 U.--
On June 04 2010 14:15 LunarDestiny wrote: Flamewheel did mention something about mod killing the inactive (those who didn't vote). Someone got to confirm with Flamewheel on that matter about will he really mod kill the inactive.
For the first lynch, I want the target to be an inactive (posted minimum to stay alive) and also has clues relating to him.
I'll second that.
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On June 04 2010 14:21 onihunter wrote: Darth: General agreement is he posts like a townie, so that's a plus. Also experienced, but that's neither a plus nor a minus. He also seems clear-headed.
Yellow: Posts a LOT. Seems quite defensive when criticized, and I can't really say that I like the guy =/. Just personal preference though, nothing really concrete. Also inciting lots of arguing and conflict that is unnecessary at this point in the game.
Beardude: I really liked him until he responded to Inkguy's attack. His responses weren't that coherent though imo, and he seemed really emotional in that post to me. Also he himself stated that it's personal between the two now, sort of alienating me. However, he IS running for pardoner specifically.
Zeks: There isn't really that much past the few posts that contained mistakes, so can't say much. Suspicious in that he's not a newbie to this game, but I think it's forgivable.
Overall, no one's quite solid, but I'd say that Darth slightly edges out the rest. Basically even for the rest.
Thanks yo.
BB said it WASNT personal. o.o
I'd like to see zeks post s'more. Where'd he go?
Correction: I'd like to see EVERYBODY post s'more.
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Yo, this ain't cool. flame's lightning-ing anyone who hasn't posted at least once AND voted.
major =[s.
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On June 04 2010 14:21 onihunter wrote: Beardude: I really liked him until he responded to Inkguy's attack. His responses weren't that coherent though imo, and he seemed really emotional in that post to me. Also he himself stated that it's personal between the two now, sort of alienating me. However, he IS running for pardoner specifically.
Incorrect, good sir. I specifically said at the bottom of my response post that it WASN'T personal. The "no pardons for you" post was kind of meant to be tongue in cheek
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ebwop: my 1000th post is probably the shortest I've made all game and about the game rules.
lulz. epic. And I no longer recognize my own avatar =[. WHY COULDN'T MY TRAINER PRESS B AND STOP ME FROM EVOLVING.
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