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Good god.
It's sad we lost Lunaticman, but he didn't do shit to let us know he was even around. Also, I find it unlikely that anyone knows anyone's role right now. If we'd elected Iaaan or someone else that was going to lynch an inactive it would have looked equally as suspicious.
It's the first night. If there are any DTs left we should be plan to keep them alive and help them figure out what actions they should take. The idea lifted from the other thread - for a DT to do an early rolecheck to establish an inner circle - sounds like a good idea. Checking someone who's posted in the thread would be good. The risk of running into GF is low, but my feeling is that DT should be wary of the more active players as the GF role benefits more active mafia in the first place. Of course GF role benefits all mafia - it simply depends on what their plan is.
There is also the list of clues I posted earlier up in the thread for DTs to check if they're not working on their own analysis. If anyone has any suggestions to improve it, I have added it below as well as spoilered my original post:
List of potential clues:
1. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. (potential leads: Fishball, softer, drinking)
2. he turned the body and knew it was grave (don't know, bit of a stretch
3. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. (QuickStriker)
4. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery (d3_crescentia)
5. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. (maybe iloveKT)
Potential candidates for the clues have been parenthesized following the clue. Again, I would prioritize forming a trusted circle (of two) first; then I would also follow up with investigations on the more active players that have clues suggesting them like myself and Quickstriker. Of course, no matter what you decide to do, we'll have to reevaluate once Day 2 rolls around.
+ Show Spoiler [Clue Analysis Post] +On January 21 2010 19:31 d3_crescentia wrote:Alright, I'm going to go through this again: The Day 1 post was written in lines of rhyme and prose. A few pages ago I've formatted the original post to show prose and poetry; there are some minor edits here and there to make that more distinct. Show nested quote +One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event.
An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment.
The sheriff Ace however was on the case.
Journeying to the docks by the beach,
he answered the cries of a persons shriek.
What he found however, was a trail of blood.
Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide.
Rushing to the persons aid,
he turned the body and knew it was grave.
A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done,
L would fail to see the coming sun.
Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.***
His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun.
But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk.
He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door.
Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound.
As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office.
It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall.
Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery.
It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder.
The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square.
Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race.***
It was here that the town began to be reshaped. The starred lines are lines that could potentially be rhyming lines. The italicized segments are things that I think could be clues, based on my own thoughts and contributions of others. My initial guess is that the prose sections are where the clues are located, and not where the lines rhyme. For the first murder, I believe we have mostly water-related clues and the cave, which could point to Fishball and drinking. There is also the 'tenderly' adverb, which dozko suggested could be softer. I believe the phrase "knew it was grave" could mean something, but since it's in a rhyme section it goes against my current theory. Still, a possibility there. The sentences with town/ground might be a botched rhyme, but I do feel that the "quick attack" should be checked out for the possibility that QuickStriker is indeed mafia. Regarding Judge's death, we have the flower vase, which points to me. ~OpZ~ also mentioned the repeated use of the word "hall," which in and of itself could be a clue. I've also noticed the use of sound-related descriptors - crash, sound, rush of air; potential connection to iloveKT as his profile contains pictures of sound waves. What I'm particularly curious about what the object that sunk into Judge's shoulder was... that should be a clue in and of itself. List of potential clues: 1. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. 2. he turned the body and knew it was grave (maybe) 3. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. 4. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery5. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. Does anyone have any criticisms? I'm open to suggestions. I realize that most of it is grasping for straws, but I think it's better that the DTs check *something* our first night rather than nothing.
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Finally weekend, been a busy week :p
Im gonna catch up with the thread and post some thoughts a bit later.
It sucks we lost a detective but if he hadnt even posted theres really not much to do about it..
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Lunaticman played shitty game by assuming being consistently silent would keep him alive, that is all. Can't really see what else to see about that turn of events.
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Royw you high? I have posted mostly facts and base lines as to why people can be mafia. Which I suspect, you're mafia. I feel like you and xelin are mafia. Because I pointed out xelin the most, which now you're trying to back up xelin because that's all you have been doing with oiut a reasonas to why you are. Now you're out to attack me, even though I haven't attacked you yet. Now I am.
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On January 23 2010 01:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Royw you high? I have posted mostly facts and base lines as to why people can be mafia. Which I suspect, you're mafia. I feel like you and xelin are mafia. Because I pointed out xelin the most, which now you're trying to back up xelin because that's all you have been doing with oiut a reasonas to why you are. Now you're out to attack me, even though I haven't attacked you yet. Now I am.
Well congratulations and a poly-sentence reply 
I haven't actually attacked you, but have just said that I have impression based on your many one liners that have seemed to just be inflammatory rather than constructive.
Even here, you're immediately combatitive, trying to stoke up flames.
In relation to Xelin, I provided my reasoning for support of him - He instinctively seemed so obviously a town member to me based on his initial self-nomination, so I supported him straight away. Nothing he has done so far would change that first impression, although as I have said, I'm a complete newbie and maybe a bad judge of these things.
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Good morning everyone (even though its 1:43 PM right now... slept at 4 AM.. =/), it seems the night is still dark and everyone are still waiting for the day to come... well, once again, I have done some sightseeing to the other town and I have another interesting post which I thought could be a guideline for the DTs, so here it is:
On January 23 2010 03:13 citi.zen wrote:
A guideline for detectives:
1. Use your role-checks to find people you can trust.
2. Only discuss your thoughts in PMs with these people.
3. Don't try to solve everything in the early-game. FE, don't 4 pool - nobody scouted!
4. In the mid-late game, use and abuse clue-checks - they are stronger than role-checks at that point.
5. Only share findings with trusted people.
Am I forgetting something? Is this useful to help coordinate the dts?
My opinion of this is that this is a good idea. A mafia member could try to pretend to be a DT but, they don't know what or who the role is so they have to then guess and if they give it wrong when revealing to a non-mafia member.... it can be told they're mafia automatically... so it's a huge risk factor for mafia to do so.
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Well my typing at the moment sucks, since I am on my phone. But like I said, if you would have actually read any of my post, you would notice that I did not just post one liners, yet I've posted plenty of things that very suspicious and very note worthy. I've only attacked people that have put themselves up for mayor, because that's most likely a mafia move of course.
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I already outlined what a medic should be doing on the last page or so, please keep that mind.
We already can't do anything right now except for waiting for this gruesome night to be over only to find 3 dead bodies... or if lucky, 1 or 2 if medics magically protect the ones that would be hit....
So I suppose that's it for today. I'm not planning to stick around here again as much, and it seems we have a little more activity without me but still, I really want people to step forward, make lots of posts, and move the game along faster. Why the hell am I still the guy with at least 50% posting rate in this game??? That being said, I'm off till later tonight! See ya!
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Cool, d3_crescentia as a sheriff and mr.druid for mayor  . I think the election turned out alright, but it sucks big time to lose the inactive DT. I only hope that the replacement player will be active and we dont get anymore players quitting.
Now I firmly believe that all of the mafia are among the active posters and furthermore I think that at least one of tree.hugger, laan and fulgrim is mafia, being the people with the highest votes (after d3, who I dont think is mafia as I previously stated) and because it will be silly for the reds to not participate in the election as the expected payoff of such a strategy outweighs the risk of being found out. Therefore I will be looking forwards to the posts of these guys and any day 2 clues which might be pointing fingers at them.
Also, Xelin, I dont know what issues you have with me but consistently misspelling my nick (a 5 letter word), as well as your recent lashing out against me is childish and unfounded. Think about it. You are angry because my posts possibly played a part in you not getting any success in the election; well does that not imply that most posters actually agree with me that your "big block counter" was indeed off the mark and hence it might well be?
Lastly I want to second the people who posted the "DT forming a circle of trust" theory; i think this is a good idea, since as i stated above we have 3 possible people on who to hone in after the day 2 clues and the DT should be role checking others in the thread to maximize his usefulness.
PS. Its annoying for people to constantly repeat "omgz the other mafia is much more active go guys post". Stop this IMO. Fact of the matter is, the other game is formed by the people who signed up earlier than us, so it is only natural they are more keen and will post more. In addition this constant repetitive urging of other players to vote is not achieving anything, since people like to and will play at their preferred pace no matter what.
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Dozko (Isn't spelling fun) you can very simply and easily counter what I was saying about you, do you know how?
Be Clear, the "big block counter" I posted wasn't just to try to persuade the town that I am a Townie, it was also a test to see how you would in turn respond.
I challenge you to go through precicely what points of yours I "ignored" and also to be more clear about what your points were. If you do this and in a way which is clear and not ambiguous and generalising then you will look far less suspicious.
This is quite fun for me as I am mainly posting this for others to see, I myself am almost certain you are mafia and would quite frankly just enjoy trying to stich you up. Your move shelock.
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I have a whimsical proposition also. If the town do lynch dozko or quickstriker and it transpires that they or one of them is not Mafia, I propose that I be the next person to be lynched.
I'm hopeful that this is quite a good proposition for the town to give serious consideration too. please do so ^^
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I say we lynch you first. Ever since the game has started, you've only wanted qs to be lynched.
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Players that don't vote will get modkilled for inactivity. This is actually bad, because the more inactives we have the greater the mafia vote power will be. (Dear NiGoL, I saw you in the BW forum posting in response to something just now, but you haven't posted here yet. It seems odd.) What are our inactives doing? As I've said before, if you sincerely believe that abstaining is better than a wrong decision, go ahead and make that choice for yourself - I won't stop you; just remember that there are consequences to everything, even inaction.
DT only has 3 rolechecks per game, and can't do 2 of them in a row. DT can either rolecheck or cluecheck tonight; rolecheck possibly being safer. The DTs cannot rolecheck me or tree.hugger, though I think they could cluecheck us for relation to any of the things listed above.
The other thread is bristling with good ideas. Yes, it's entirely unproductive to say that this thread is less active than the other, because 1) it's an obvious truth and 2) it's not helpful. It's only slightly less unproductive to consider what that suggests for our game.
Instead, we should be encouraging those who haven't spoken yet to consider the facts and reason things out. The following may seem obvious to you: I am fairly sure that the GF would not have put himself to be an elected official, because doing so would completely waste the GF's ability of hiding himself amongst the townspeople. We can then look at the electoral candidates and say that it is unlikely (though not impossible) that one of them are the GF, though one or more could check as mafia.
For this matter, I am hoping we still have 2 or more DTs. I think it would be terrible if the GF was one of our failed candidates, and our last DT decided to form a circle with him. Of course, it would also be bad (but not as bad) if a DT checked the Miller.
And so we come full-circle to our problem - inactivity. If a large percentage of the population do NOT vote, it gives the Mafia that much more freedom to move around in. In fact they can spread their votes around and have just enough to edge out a win supplemented by Townies who have been convinced by their arguments into following through on their overall strategy. Furthermore, if we have a Mafia mayor, it only makes their power that much stronger.
I will be reconsulting my notes on last night's voting in a while for clues. I hope the DTs will rolecheck the candidates tonight, but I insist that you be wary of speaking up too loudly just yet.
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Just to make things clear...
Conjecture: If we have a mafia-aligned town official, she/he will not be the Godfather.
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Shockey interesting point, and a sound argument (this is sarcasm), but you have tempted me to put forward another interesting little proposition.
I will happily consent to being lynched first on one condition, If I am lynched and it turns out I am, as I claim to be, a humble Green Townie, then quickstriker and dozko will be the next people lynched.
to add a further condition, say I am lynched first and am a townie, then the town decides to lynch Quickstriker and he is also a townie, then my condition of lynching them both is void and as I would have been wrong on quickstriker in this hypothesis then dozko would not be lynched.
So to emphasise, two propositions
If the town agree to lynch Quickstriker and Dozko first and one of them is not Mafia, Then I propose that I be the next person to be lynched
OR
I propose that I be the first person lynched on the one simple condition that If I am innocent then Dozko and Quickstriker will be lynched next
I would prefer the first but am completely happy to do the second as well. Dying sucks but i think i would be greatly helping the town by doing so in this instance.
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XeliN, if you please could, I would appreciate if you could enlighten us by restating your reasons for why QS and/or Dozko should be lynched.
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For QuickStriker i have already given my reasons in my previous posts, whilst they may be scattered among more than one I don't rlly want to repeat myself.
For Dozko it is more intriguing and based on a number of things.
Warning wall of text coming up yet again, but as i was asked...
+ Show Spoiler +
I have already mentioned his long accusatory post against me, if people read it and I mean seriously take the time to study it, then you can see just how vague, opinionated (by this i mean using assumptions such as "i think xelin is mafia and is typing//doing x for the ulterior motive of achieving y")
This immedatiately made me suspicious of him and also i want lie, quite annoyed by him as most of his accusations, when analysed were simply jargon. Now i would judge he is at least reasonably intelligent, something along the lines of a small dolphin or middle aged monkey, and as such there struck me as two distinctly contrasting elements to that and a couple of other posts he made that stood out.
He puts a lot of effort into accusing and placing suspicion on me YET the things he is accusing and suspicions he is trying to raise are vague, general and opinionated. This struck me as a distinctly Mafia like thing to do, he would achieve confusion and suspicion amongst the townies and also detract from any credibility i might have.
Further more after this i PM'd him saying "You really are a dickhead, what points am i supposed to have ignored?" (This was after i posted my "big block defense" and he didnt acknowledge or respond to ANY of it instead simply stated that I ignored his points.
He then responded "Whats with your nerdrage? Grow up and learn to read. Thats the main point of the game."
I felt that any Honest Townie, would be far more likely to possibly put the nerdrage bit sure, but would also have said what i was supposed to have ignored. He still has not told me or the rest of the town what points i am supposed to have ignored and instead just left it in the backround//past.
Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, with this in mind people seeming to go out of their way to accuse me, particularly in ways that are illogical and unfounded which is what dozko has done, are highly suspicious.
I could go on im sure there are more reasons but hopefully for now this gives enough for people to think about
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Also Shockeyy is looking more and more suspicious to me with every small contribution he makes.
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On January 23 2010 07:10 XeliN wrote:
For QuickStriker i have already given my reasons in my previous posts, whilst they may be scattered among more than one I don't rlly want to repeat myself.
For the sake of conciseness, I would really prefer that you did repeat yourself. I think it would be the best way to go about building a case against QS if you could quickly summarize your arguments here in a single post; that way people don't have to search through the entire thread when it comes down to voting time.
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On January 23 2010 06:13 d3_crescentia wrote:
Just to make things clear...
Conjecture: If we have a mafia-aligned town official, she/he will not be the Godfather.
I think this is a pretty good guess. Unless the mafia is foolish then they wouldn't waste having their one the godfather (who won't show as being mafia when role-checked) as a person who in fact cannot be role checked anyway.
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