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BloodyC0bblers TL MAFIA XVI
*Any questions or night actions can be directed towards me.
Intro:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
This mafia game works slightly different than the normal one (read: Mafia), so I'll explain it a bit more. During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (it's a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Any player with a special role that can act during the night must PM me their actions each and every night.
If the mafia at any time outnumber the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (subject to change)
Posting Etiquette:
In the past, many players have complained or quit because of the excessive bm and pointless flaming. If you are posting agressively and know you couldn't get away with it anywhere else on this site, it probably isn't ok here. Besides, contrary to what you may think, yelling at someone is a great way to convince people to disagree with your arguments. Please do not post inappropriately, or it will earn you a warning based on mod discretion. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled. Examples of inappropriate posts include excessive cursing and vulgarity, among other things.
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games:
1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game.
2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Changing your profile / sig / possible clue material after the game begins, whether you are mafia or not. You'll be caught and just look more suspicious anyway.
8. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious.
Voting rules:
1. You must post your vote in the Vote Thread (which will be in a separate thread in the mafia forum). Do not PM or IM it to me.
2. You must clearly declare and bold your vote in this format ie: "I vote to lynch Chuiu".
3. You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins over the other person.
6. You may abstain, but must let me know: ie: "I abstain from voting".
7. Voting is mandatory. You must vote or abstain.
Modkills:
Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. It works as such: players are allowed to safely miss the lynch vote(s) (fail to either vote or abstain) for one day over the course of the game. If you fail to vote on a second day, I will use my discretion about modkilling you based on how active you have been and any excuses you might have. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Abstaining votes will be allowed, but don't do it just because you don't want to read the thread.
Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game. I am hoping I never have to modkill anyone. Please remain active so I do not have to. After each missed vote, I will send you a PM reminding you to be active. If you do not believe you can maintain the required level of activity, please PM me before the game begins.
Signups:
This game is open to all with preference for new players. Signups will remain open until all spots have been filled (around 30-31 players).
Clues:
Every day post will tell a story describing the deaths of your murdered neighbors. These stories will leave behind clues pointing towards the mafia members. Clues can be taken from anywhere, so long as I see it relating to the person they are intended for. This means names, sigs, profiles, things related to names, etc.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a strict 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case dreamflower or myself will not be there, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up.
The Election:
I would ask that potential candidates do NOT begin their campaigns before the game starts. I believe doing so interferes with the atmosphere of the game and provides a level of sincerity that should not be part of the game. With this in mind, I would ask the voters not to consider running before the game begins as a perk to a player's candidacy.
Credits:
Chuiu, Ace, Tracil, Caller, BloodyC0bbler, Qatol, Ver, LTT, Plexa, and Pyrrhuloxia for taking the time to run mafia games for us.
The balance crew (you know who you are) for helping us to make this setup reasonably balanced.
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Roles
This is a semi-open setup. Roles will be disclosed, but role counts will remain hidden. Read this section carefully, it may be subject to change.
Townie
You may just be a normal player but you are the backbone of the town. Your goal, with the special roles of the town, is to help bring the Mafia to justice. You get no special powers but the ability to vote during day. Blue Roles may look pretty but the real power lies with you!
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer:
1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check")
2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check")
3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check")
X can be no larger than one sentence.
Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. You may not use more than 2 Role Checks in a row. Clue checks have unlimited uses.
Medic
You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead.
Vigilante
You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. A clue will be left behind just like a mafia killing pointing to you. If your hit overlaps with mafia or another vigilante then I will cancel it and they will kill the person instead. In the case of overlapping vigilantes, the hit that was sent first is the one that goes through. In both cases you will not know who caused your hit to be canceled and you will be able to use your hit anytime after that during the game. Medic protection may block your hit, and, if it does, you will have used your killing ability. A vigilante can kill someone the during a night where she/he gets killed. You may not use your ability on night 1.
Veteran
You get two night lives instead of one! This means it takes at least two successful hits in one night to kill you, or one hit on each of two separate nights. A veteran will be told when they lose one of their night lives. If you get lynched, you die, regardless of whether you have an extra night life remaining.
Mayor
You won second place in the election. So close... You have to PM me before the end of Day 1 with the name of the player you would like lynched on Day 1 if you win. You can't choose the Sheriff as the Day 1 lynch victim. Your votes count as three votes instead of one. You cannot be Role Checked by a DT.
Sheriff
You won first place in the election. Bravo! You cannot be Role Checked by a DT. You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night. Incarcerated players cannot use any powers the night they are incarcerated. If a mafia is incarcerated, they do not contribute to the determination of Mafia KP (Kill Power), so Mafia KP may be lowered. An incarcerated player cannot be killed the night they are incarcerated. If the Sheriff is lynched, no player may be incarcerated that night. You only get 2 incarcerations. You may not incarcerate yourself. The same player cannot be incarcerated twice. You cannot incarcerate a player during Night 1.
Bodyguard
Bodyguards are the protectors of the elected roles. As long as they remain alive the Mayor and Sheriff are both immune to all hits during the night. Bodyguards will not know who each other are, the elected roles will not know who they are, and they will be chosen from Townies after the Mayor chooses who to lynch. You show up as Townie for all Rolechecks.
Miller
This player is a townie in every way except that if a DT role checks this player, the DT will be told the Miller is a Mafia. The Miller is told that they are a Townie. The Miller will be revealed as a Miller upon their death. The miller is on the side of the Townies, and wins if they win.
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power will be determined when the game begins. You also must choose the Godfather from among yourselves. If you do not choose by night 1, I will randomly choose for you.
Godfather
The Godfather has the ability to decide what role he will appear to be when a Detective role checks him. It may be any role and must be chosen Day 1 or he will default to Townie role. After your role is chosen you may not change it after that; decisions are final for the whole game.
Double Lynch
Usable two times per game, the town lynches two people instead of one. This means on the next day everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is activated by voting for it in addition to a player (or players if a double lynch is currently activated). The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 40 players voting then the town needs 21 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be voted on starting Day 2. Double lynches may be used on consecutive days. Players cannot place all of their votes on one player when a double lynch is in effect.
Role PM Examples:
+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to BloodyC0bbler's TL Mafia XVI! Your role is: TowniePM BloodyC0bbler if you have any questions about your role. Welcome to BloodyC0bbler's TL Mafia XVI! Your role is: Blue RolePM BloodyC0bbler if you have any questions about your role. Welcome to BloodyC0bbler's TL Mafia XVI! Your role is: MafiaYour team consists of: 1. Ver2. Incognito3. ChuiuPM BloodyC0bbler if you have any questions about your role.
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Before I start with roles, Everyone needs to post in the thread so I know you have access to the forum.
I will nudge you within a day if you have not posted, or confirm with a mod that you have access.
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Gl everyone, go whichever team I end up on!!
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My first game of Mafia :D how special o:
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United States3241 Posts
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bc u need help with this one?
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I'm alive and well my good sir!
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WHat¿
forget it, i understand now.
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On January 19 2010 14:07 redtooth wrote:
wtf happened?
due to the large influx of players, it was decided to split the players into two games. As such, I was asked to host one of them. If you read the thread in general you would know that though  hehe
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Posting and got PM just now... sorry I was out at VA for the past days....
isn't it easier if the actual game is easily accessed and shown on the top left tabs like under general section or sports/games section? Rather than having on the "hidden" mafia forum, I think it should work better and not worse for all of us if it happened that way...
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On January 19 2010 14:56 QuickStriker wrote:
Posting and got PM just now... sorry I was out at VA for the past days....
isn't it easier if the actual game is easily accessed and shown on the top left tabs like under general section or sports/games section? Rather than having on the "hidden" mafia forum, I think it should work better and not worse for all of us if it happened that way...
We dont control the site layout, and as annoying as it can be to have a "hidden" forum. Its fairly easy to overcome. I personally just keep a tab open in the mafia side for quick reference during games, as well as purely using the forum index. I would recommend if you are having trouble with using the index, just do what I do and create a seperate tab. It will keep you active, and skip the trouble of learning a new way of browsing TL.
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i has access KEKE 
so ready to partake is this epic game of mafia.
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Ready and waiting good sir
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On January 19 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2010 14:56 QuickStriker wrote:
Posting and got PM just now... sorry I was out at VA for the past days....
isn't it easier if the actual game is easily accessed and shown on the top left tabs like under general section or sports/games section? Rather than having on the "hidden" mafia forum, I think it should work better and not worse for all of us if it happened that way... We dont control the site layout, and as annoying as it can be to have a "hidden" forum. Its fairly easy to overcome. I personally just keep a tab open in the mafia side for quick reference during games, as well as purely using the forum index. I would recommend if you are having trouble with using the index, just do what I do and create a seperate tab. It will keep you active, and skip the trouble of learning a new way of browsing TL.
Alright fine, you win, I'm just gonna have TL Mafia on as a link to a "favorite" for my browser so it'll be quick and easy access. Might as well do that.... *sighs*
And what do you mean by separate tab? I mean don't you still have to end up going to the forum index and then look thru? It's not like I'm going to have my laptop/PC on 24/7/365...
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^got access
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I've got access! Hope to hear back from you soon!
And thanks for running this
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Signing in! Lets get it on
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On January 19 2010 14:56 QuickStriker wrote:
And what do you mean by separate tab? I mean don't you still have to end up going to the forum index and then look thru? It's not like I'm going to have my laptop/PC on 24/7/365...
Most newer browsers such as opera and firefox remember tabs. So if you keep an open tab of the mafia thread, shut your browser down and switch off your PC. The next time you start your browser it will load your tabs you had before. (although you need to configure firefox to not start from homepage to do this)
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Hi, access to the forum. First Mafia game, so treat me nicely
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On January 19 2010 19:57 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2010 14:56 QuickStriker wrote:
And what do you mean by separate tab? I mean don't you still have to end up going to the forum index and then look thru? It's not like I'm going to have my laptop/PC on 24/7/365... Most newer browsers such as opera and firefox remember tabs. So if you keep an open tab of the mafia thread, shut your browser down and switch off your PC. The next time you start your browser it will load your tabs you had before. (although you need to configure firefox to not start from homepage to do this)
exactly.
But also another very quick way to access the TL Mafia forum is when you hit the address bar type "t" "l" then hit the "space bar" tab - you'll instantly be linked to the TL Mafia thread or TL Mafia forum index, depending on which one you visited the most.
^_^
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I got access
let's do this ^-^
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On January 19 2010 22:50 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2010 19:57 dozko wrote:On January 19 2010 14:56 QuickStriker wrote:
And what do you mean by separate tab? I mean don't you still have to end up going to the forum index and then look thru? It's not like I'm going to have my laptop/PC on 24/7/365... Most newer browsers such as opera and firefox remember tabs. So if you keep an open tab of the mafia thread, shut your browser down and switch off your PC. The next time you start your browser it will load your tabs you had before. (although you need to configure firefox to not start from homepage to do this) exactly. But also another very quick way to access the TL Mafia forum is when you hit the address bar type "t" "l" then hit the "space bar" tab - you'll instantly be linked to the TL Mafia thread or TL Mafia forum index, depending on which one you visited the most. ^_^
rofl
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Hello
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Hey guys, I just wanted to get an idea of how the game is going to turn out. This is my first time doing this, how many other people are new to this too? Do we have a majority of new players?
For all new peoples I found reading through an old game really helpful:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738
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I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information.
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On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information.
i've never played before!
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oh snaps decaf is playing ^_^
this game just got 5x more funny
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On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information.
Fuck that game rofl. Pick a different one!
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what happened that game that was so bad? v_v
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On January 20 2010 05:01 Ace wrote:
what happened that game that was so bad? v_v
he died before ever playing
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oh, how is that such a bad thing ^_^
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On January 20 2010 05:24 Ace wrote:
oh, how is that such a bad thing ^_^
It's not in my books
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lol this thread is already so much more active than incognitos
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Reporting as a participant
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I don't understand how to play this game at all, still I am very exited (:
Reading mafia XV
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On January 20 2010 06:20 gaizka wrote:
I don't understand how to play this game at all, still I am very exited (:
Reading mafia XV
when you get your role, you know you play that side
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Since I'm not playing either of the games if there's anything you don't understand you can PM me.
But better yet PM the person moderating the game since they'll be able to give you better advice.
ETA: Also if it's something along the lines of a general question like how does something work ask it now.
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gl new guys :D Remember to be active!
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I will be starting the game between 8 and 9 PST. So between 5-6 hours.
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No problems accesing the thread.
Can't wait for this to start
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Can't wait for this to get started, lets gogo!
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Start it at 8 for us poor EST users
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On January 20 2010 07:08 Ace wrote:
Since I'm not playing either of the games if there's anything you don't understand you can PM me.
But better yet PM the person moderating the game since they'll be able to give you better advice.
ETA: Also if it's something along the lines of a general question like how does something work ask it now.
Actually asking advice about the game from the mods can be a very bad thing because you can wind up second guessing yourself pretty badly. Therefore, I volunteer Ace to teach people! Though rules questions should obviously be directed at the mod(s).
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A question about the mayor/sheriff, we, as in the players, actually elect them right? and so the mayor/sheriff can be any other character as well? cause that would be interesting having a mafia mayor/sheriff ;p
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yes, the mayor and sheriff are elected. As of the first day post i will open up a voting thread for the voting. The person with most votes is sheriff, second is mayor,
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One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
[no clues area] Time to vote to elect a mayor and a sheriff. Remember, mayor gets to choose first lynch of the game. However, sheriff is electee #1, mayor is number 2.
Thread for voting found Here
Mafia decide who you want your godfather to be and pm me on the decision before day 1 ends.
Everyone should have/get their role pm's shortly.
Voting ends thursday the 21st at 9pm PST
[/no clues area]
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And so it begins.... hmm..... were these 3 people actually pre-planned to die or were they actually were to play the game but chosen at random to die from the get-go start??
*edit* Nope, they weren't in the player list database... hmm...
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They were probably elected people from the last game
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Another thing I noticed.... 7 mafias and 28 townies (which can be other roles like DT).... they add up to be 35 but there are 34 players.... something is dead wrong here.....
*edit* Looks like the OP realized this and fixed it for us before chaos occurred... ^_^
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Now that the game's officially started, I will announce my candidacy for Sheriff. This IS my first game, however I think most of us are pretty new here, so I think we need someone who is active and somewhat experienced in how the game works. (and obviously not mafia) I've read over a couple of the older games, so ELECT ME!
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Fulgrim, that sure is a quick announcement of your remarks of candidacy. What amused me was your little side comment saying you're not mafia when you could be easily lying.... And also, normally a campaign needs to be more convincing like, enough for people to want to have you as their leader. Just like how President and leaders of countries are elected.... You do also realize the figureheads and the leaders are usually the ones to be looked upon the most for assassinations as well right?
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Lol yes it was a quick announcement, I've had nothing to do for the last couple of hours but read up on old mafia games. I thought it was best to start campaigning early early if noone else was going to step up. I don't have any "platform" that I'm running on, because obviously this is my first time doing this. If you want me to sound more like a proper politician..... I will listen to everyone's ideas and try to guide this town down the golden road of prosperity, through the valley of peace and productivity, and over the mountains of joy.
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Also I thought that the "day 1" ended at 12 tonight.....
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And so it begins!
nice little rhyme with our old sheriff dying ;p
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In any case, so far, we technically have one person who wants to become a sheriff.... and there are 2 open positions.... so at the very least, we should need a second person willing to be either sheriff or mayor.... perhaps it's still far too early who wishes to take upon this task... but daresay, we must watch out of a possible mafia sneaking in to be that sheriff/mayor....
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I'm sure more people will step up, its only been like 2 hours. If no one else does, I might, but I mean I'm a total noobie so that wouldn't be ideal ;p There isn't too much to go on yet about who could be mafia (Only 4 people have posted lol), but what about the clue? any insight into that?
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Hmmm.... I just re-read the description.... it's too vague... I looked at the other thread and there is someone who complied a list of possible leads based on the clues... Maybe we can have someone within this one who can do that for us.....
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I'm fairly inexperienced myself, but I'd like to put my name forward as a potential mayor/sheriff. I can promise that I will be lurking these threads hardcore, as well as posting whenever/wherever necessary. I agree with Fulgrim that the sooner we get our heirachy established, the sooner we can work on rooting those sneaky mofo's (mafio's?) and lynching em good and proper. Should I be elected I can promise that the initial lynch will not be random, but based on posts up to the point where the vote is made, as well as thorough investigation of any hints and whatnot that may be dropped or implied up to that point.
I will also be happy to hear from any of you regarding strategy, but be aware that if I'm elected the final say will rest with me. Gl everyone!
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My only concern here is that a mafia sneaking in to be a mayor/sheriff which can allow a bit of chaos and the game may destroy us from the inside out...
Let's look at some basic simple statistics here though. We have 34 players, 27 of which are townies where the other 7 are mafias... so by using simple basic math, we get:
Mafias - 20.6%
Other (Non-mafias) - 79.4%
These 2 positions (mayor and sheriff) comes up to about 6% of our population. As 20.6% may seem small or a lot to some people, I believe we really need to be cautious here to make sure that within 20.6%, they won't spread and expand their territory to be of the powerful 6% which makes up mayor/sheriff......
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Striker could you post the link of the thread where someone compiled a list of possible leads based on clues? Also in my pregame "reading" I found that in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738 the people elected a mafia mayor, and it turned out pretty badly for them (although the town did end up winning). So this kind of thing DOES happen
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Fulgrim, what I meant is from the OTHER MAFIA game, not this one. On the one by Incognito's Mafia XVI game, someone made a list, but not here.... they're currently more active than us atm.... =/
But yea, we should and must not have a repeat of a mafia mayor..... as Fulgrim mentions correctly, it does get annoying and all when it DOES happen...
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Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry.
My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote:
With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.
A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me.
Secondly the death of vx70GTOJudgexv:
It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
The only name with a reference to flowers would be d3_crescentia, Crescentia being
Crescentia (Calabash tree, huingo, krabasi, or kalebas, not to be confused with the calabash vine) is a genus of six species of flowering plants in the family Bignoniaceae
Also in d3_crescentia's profile the quote is "once, not long ago, there was a moon here", and the murders being committed at night, when the moon is up? Yea I think this connection is a little thin, but I'm thinking out loud here.
p.s. am i doin it rite?
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Yes, that is good insight. Although I will mention this in that in both cases of the deaths, there was some sort of quickness. It doesn't necessary mean it's me but I'm not stopping or defending your thoughts on that. Though, if you must know, I was around the past hours on TL and browsing on this thread and other mafia thread intensely since I had nothing else to do. But you can see it yourself of my past comments here, noting the times I've been here as I was here constantly unlike others...
But here's the thing about this game. One wrong move, and a huge disadvantage occurs. I can go back to the previous mafia game I was at here people would accuse me because one of the death was "a quick attack" and I was a townie. In any case, we need more clues right now, it's too vague to assume anything. But yes, you did good able to at least assume there are 2 killers in the first description because it starts as 2 clues leading to 2 killers.
*editing for spell check*
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I'll run for Sheriff/Mayor.
I'm running as a candidate of the green party, which means that when flower pots get smashed, and bodies start polluting our beautiful waters, I get tough on crime.
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Now, I also want to just to throw out another simple facts out there:
List of names who have absolutely nothing on profile (meaning no pics and sig) :
Xelin
RoyW
ItsPaul
dozko
laaan
Rainbow
Jadefist
7Strife
no_re
Gaizka
Man.Magic
johnnyspazz
That is 12 people total out of 34 people. That's quite a bit of nothing on profile compared to the other game that has 6...
*edit* Now mind you that if according to the rules of this game, it is sorta illegal to switch and edit your profile the moment this game started.... so I have complied this just to imply that if any one of the 12 changes their profile, they will and can be automatically marked suspicious....
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I'm just lazy, so I haven't made a sig or anything. Also, after reading that huge post by no_re I have decided to withdraw my name from voting, that was totally pro how he noticed all that stuff, I only paid attention to the 'flower vase' bit. I'm thinking as our leader we may want someone who is more focused on clues than I think I'd end up being. And yeah no_re that was good stuff!
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damn no_re thats good analysis
if i knew i was supposed to add stuff to my profile for hints i would've updated it prior to the game haha
i have no interest in running for mayor or sheriff but i will vote for the person who puts in the most thought into his/her campaign
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^ I thought according to the rules, it was illegal to edit your posts to ;p
but if you don't delete anything I guess its not too big a deal.
I do like how you looked at who doesn't have anything on their profiles, much harder to give a clue about one of them, but maybe easier to see if there is a clue about one of them (cause whats it going to be about other than their name/posts?)
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In any case, I still say it's a bit early and vague to decide on voting on someone to die at this instance. Though I do enjoy the second clue no_re stated like others did above me. But on a safe side, I suppose the best way to get this down (and forgive me if my statement is too cruel) is to allow few days in to wait for additional clues from the descriptions of other deaths. Yes, that means we gotta let more people dead before we make a decision on who to vote on. The reason I say this is if we pointlessly and mindlessly vote on someone and have him dead who happened to be a townie or some important role like the detective, then we're already marked down in a screwed mode. Allowing the mafias to become in an advantageous situation while making the non-mafias in disadvantage is not good....
So my recommendation for the town right now is to wait at least 2-3 addition days before starting on voting to kill. Rather than risking ourselves killing 2-3 townies/detectives/non-mafia and then have mafia kill 2-3 more of us, we should let them just kill 2-3 of the townies, then carefully plan this out.
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I'm only editing because I didn't want to double post or triple post myself. But since you insist, I'll double post right now since I wasn't done with my comment.
Now, as for the mayor/sheriff voting case. Like I mentioned countless times, we cannot be careless and vote a mafia mayor which can screw us all. I believe that's what happened to me in an old game I played where the game went to the mafias because the townies at the beginning voted a mafia as mayor....
More importantly, the whole deal with 2-3 days wait is for the detective who are in this game to check on the those who seems the most suspicious each night to make sure if that's mafia or not. Then the detective needs to not expose himself as DT but rather lead the way of the townies that the mafia is that person or that person isn't the mafia by intelligently inputting infos or comments..
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As a note Quickstriker. Voting on who to kill doesn't happen day 1. The mayor makes the day 1 lynch. So all of day 1's voting is purely for who to have as mayor/sheriff.
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On January 20 2010 13:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As a note Quickstriker. Voting on who to kill doesn't happen day 1. The mayor makes the day 1 lynch. So all of day 1's voting is purely for who to have as mayor/sheriff.
Hmm... I see, well thanks for the note then...
So basically that means whoever we pick as mayor, that person will automatically have an one way 100% choose on who will die from day 1. This can mean the mayor will bias and just weed out or kill who he/she doesn't like... that's not a good thing..
But on the other hand, the mayor should be working on the best interest of the town and for the people. Which means he shouldn't be so quick and mindless for choosing who to easily die in day 1. Otherwise the mayor will become more suspicious upon the crowd as a possible mafia.
Now notice how I was able to easily spread and tell this info to everyone. I feel like this is a necessary info for everyone, mafia or not, and that at least this much is basic simple info that everyone needs to know.
Lastly, back to my posts above, I still do recommend and suggest that we should wait 2-3 days of no vote just to get more clues and ideas to link up the possible suspects and mafias. So tell me what you guys think about this.
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On January 20 2010 13:48 QuickStriker wrote:
I'm only editing because I didn't want to double post or triple post myself. But since you insist, I'll double post right now since I wasn't done with my comment.
Actually, double and triple posting is just fine in mafia games. In Mini Mafia II, RebirthOfLegend had 6 posts in a row I think. The TL staff allows that kind of posting behavior in mafia threads. In fact, SemiOldGuy endorsed it in Mafia 4.
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I agree that we can't really make any reasonable decisions about who to lynch, until people become more active (cause theres still plenty of people who haven't posted yet ;p), especially the DT's, once they start role checking.
And with the elections, I think its most important that we do not elect a Mafia member into the position. But there's still plenty of time to think about the election, Day 1 doesn't end until thursday, correct?
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On January 20 2010 14:06 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 13:48 QuickStriker wrote:
I'm only editing because I didn't want to double post or triple post myself. But since you insist, I'll double post right now since I wasn't done with my comment.
Actually, double and triple posting is just fine in mafia games. In Mini Mafia II, RebirthOfLegend had 6 posts in a row I think. The TL staff allows that kind of posting behavior in mafia threads. In fact, SemiOldGuy endorsed it in Mafia 4.
Alright thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I wasn't too sure and I do have a habit of editing posts for spelling/grammar errors....
But in any case, if it does come down to it, I will post whatever necessary to get the point across... thanks for the heads up.
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I put in the voting limit in the voting thread and just added it to my day post but
Voting ends thursday the 21st at 9pm PST
If absolutely no one votes i will extend, but i hope not to.
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I'm sure we will start voting more. Just want to be careful starting out ;p
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dang 48 hour days are brutal v_v
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Well in any case, this game seems more inactive than the other mafia game going on atm. Maybe it's too early and no one is up (its really late for me rite now and about to sleep) or maybe not a lot of actives here compared to there. In any case, we do need more candidates since we only have one now, due to ItsPaul withdrawal. So someone else needs to step up to be mayor/sheriff. I mean I don't really want to be that person because I'm sorta lazy and I have to be even more active than what I already am. I suppose I'll just wait a little bit more since it is too early right now....
But yea, I sorta do wish the mafia game speeds up a little faster...
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It seems pretty arbitrary as to who we end up selecting Sheriff/Mayor. I mean it might be preferable to elect someone who will be more involved and will pay close attention to the clues and whatnot since they have more power I guess.
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I also think we may want to err away from electing people who don't have anything in their profiles since that would make it harder to identify them from clues... But not really sure on this.
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On January 20 2010 12:52 no_re wrote:Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry. My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote: A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me.
I think that analysis overall was extremely good, from reading up on some earlier Mafia games it seems that the host often likes the come up with elaborate or entertaining deaths. This in itself makes the " With a quick attack " stand out far more in my eyes, and somewhat exonerates the other as possibly just being a whimsical choice by the host.
In all honesty this by itself is enough to make me fairly suspicious and Quickstriker I am still more suspicious when I see some of what you have typed. In particular your reaction to no_re's non-serious accusation where you are essentially saying we must "hold off any action untill the DT comes forward and leads us through the valley of death and into the promised land" - I paraphrased,
This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage.
p.s. am i doin it rite?[/QUOTE]
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Won't edit but i was initially going to quote all of no_re's post and the "p.s. am i doin it rite? [/QUOTE] managed to slip its way into my post ^^
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Non related to the above, but just a thought. I have been thinking about a working hypothesis that the people more likely to have the arguably more interesting roles on the Townie side, as well as more likely to be Mafia might be people with high post counts and who are well known in the community (and are not well known for being idiots)
Was thinking this as I would presume a game can be doomed from the start if there is an incompetant Mafia team and so to try to avoid this roles could be influenced, however small, in this way.
This is just complete conjecture and a thought that i decided to share, but if Bloody could explain if the roles are allotted on a completely random basis or if there is some choice in the matter I would be interested to know
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Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles.
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Hi everybody, I'm glad to be in this game of TL-Mafia. Some thoughts/analysis...
One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event.
An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment.
The sheriff Ace however was on the case.
Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek.
What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide.
Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave.
A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun.
Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.
His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
The lines that are bolded are written in prose. The lines that are not make some attempt to rhyme. I feel that the prose lines contain the clues, though it could be the other way around. For the most part, I agree with no_re's preliminary judgments - the broken flower vase, the "quick attack" - though I think that we're going to need more analysis overall to figure things out. Also, there's that bit about the cave by the shore... more in a later post.
Truthfully, though, I think we'll end up learning a lot more about people once elections are underway.
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Based on his contribution so far, I'm going to second XeliN in his bid for nomination. It's important that we have someone active in the thread as mayor or sherrif, and also good to have someone providing reasoning behind thier decisions, whether they be good or bad.
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And what's general day 1 voting etiquette? Do we wait to last minute, because it seems as though it's pretty much going to be a wild guess.
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After looking through all the profiles, the only one that seems to be of remote interest is haster27's map of South Korea which could be linked to the shore in a rather convoluted way.
Also, I left this part unbolded:
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
As they aren't sentences written in rhyme.
We should probably do clue checks on whatever we have on the first night. The flower vase is a pretty outstanding clue as it stands. I'd like to see, though, what the bodies themselves can tell us - Judge's death is directly related to a rush of air.
On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:
Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles.
You do realize that if you're voted Mayor/Sheriff you'll be immune to any hits while your bodyguards are alive? Seems that if you have a survival instinct it would be the best way to live the longest... the problem is just in convincing other people to vote for you.
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On January 20 2010 20:58 RoyW wrote:
And what's general day 1 voting etiquette? Do we wait to last minute, because it seems as though it's pretty much going to be a wild guess.
Days last for 48 hours... there's plenty of time to discuss.
I don't like the idea of voting for people simply based on how hard they say they're going to try.
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On January 20 2010 21:19 d3_crescentia wrote:
After looking through all the profiles, the only one that seems to be of remote interest is haster27's map of South Korea which could be linked to the shore in a rather convoluted way.
And by this I mean his profile. Still a long-shot by any means; clue checks would be a better thing to think about.
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Sure i am aware of that xD, but im also concious that it is certainly going to be an ambition of the mafia in general to have their members run in the election race and so anyone who puts themselves forward is simply by that action more suspicious that one who doesn't. (this is arguable but certainly not an illogical point to make).
So thats what i meant by survival instinct as the town could be more suspicious of me and the mafia, knowing i am not one of them, could ifind it easier to persuade others to vote lynch,
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Updated profile as it was quite barren and so kinda difficult in the clue department, hopefully all the others mentioned as having no info to go on for clues will do the same.
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On January 20 2010 22:31 XeliN wrote:
Updated profile as it was quite barren and so kinda difficult in the clue department, hopefully all the others mentioned as having no info to go on for clues will do the same.
Profile edits are illegal after the game's started. =/
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My profile had literally nothing in it, a mod can confirm i thought its something i should have done. If I really have committed a most awaful of crimes then hopefully bloody will tell me and I will edit it back to blank with sincere apologies
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i rlly want to edit "awaful" its making me blush with shame 
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I am announcing my bid for election.
We need someone who's rational, non-inflammatory and persuasive enough to be an elected official. We also need someone that is willing to spend the time not only listening to what others have to say, but also critically developing their own reasoning outside of what is said in the thread.
I am active, logical and obsessive enough to get to the bottom of this.
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Hey guys. Just wanted to say I'm a bit busy today and tomorrow so I probably wont contribute much until tomorrow evening, but as i understand that will be in before the voting ends at least.
And please note, while clue analysis can be helpful it is very likely that it will be useless until we have more dayposts to draw from to find repeating themes and such. For now it's probably better to look at what people are writing, their reasoning, and try to figure out the motivation behind it..
Also for people running for office, it would be nice if you describe why you are running, what actions you plan to take and why.
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Also to carry on the spirit of openess, assuming a player cannot vote for himself for candidate, I will be voting for Fulgrim (as of now, more people could come forward and I might change my mind) I liked his post and also Quickstriker immediately questionined him str8 after the post. The reason this has influence on my descision is because I will say plainly I am exceptionally suspicious of Quickstriker at this moment and so going with a hypothesis that Quickstriker is Mafia, it makes Fulgrim very unlikely to be mafia as they would hardly criticise their own
This is simply a hypothesis, I am not claiming quickstriker to be mafia I am however very suspicious of him at the moment and look forward to him posting more.
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On January 20 2010 23:24 XeliN wrote:
Also to carry on the spirit of openess, assuming a player cannot vote for himself for candidate, I will be voting for Fulgrim (as of now, more people could come forward and I might change my mind) I liked his post and also Quickstriker immediately questionined him str8 after the post. The reason this has influence on my descision is because I will say plainly I am exceptionally suspicious of Quickstriker at this moment and so going with a hypothesis that Quickstriker is Mafia, it makes Fulgrim very unlikely to be mafia as they would hardly criticise their own
This is simply a hypothesis, I am not claiming quickstriker to be mafia I am however very suspicious of him at the moment and look forward to him posting more.
Yeah, players can't vote for themselves. Votes should go in the vote thread, though.
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Alright day 1, here's my take on the situation: [BTW i've spoilered these since they turned out quite long]
Firstly the method of picking the sheriff and mayor. + Show Spoiler +We have two real options here: one is to go for a random vote i.e. every person draws a random number from 1 to 34 and then another from the remainder and those are the votes. The second option is to support the candidatures of people who have expressed desire to be those roles.
As far as the first method goes one can calculate that the probability of at least one from the sheriff or mayor being mafia is 0,374 or 37% basically. So the only reason we should go for the second choosing method is if we believe we can achieve a lower probability by it.
Why I dont believe this is possible: the only reason a person will nominate himself is if that person has an incentive. These can be of two kinds: good or bad. Its trivial to see why bad incentives harm our chances (ie. the person is mafia). The good incentives can also be harmful mainly because such a person desires the role for:
a) "protection" . This will adversely affect his playstile because he now does not have to put that much effort in argumentation. This line of thought is similar to the economics research done, whereby an increase in cycling helmets' safety actually lead to an increase in cycling related injuries.
b) because " he wants to lead the town". Its a democracy and relying too much on the individual opinion of some person who happens to be elected for a responsible position, without any real arguments, will skew the towns analysis and judgment. Hence such positions should only be used to utilize their special "abilities" and not to add any analytical weighting.
Therefore I propose the random pick method for our sheriff and mayor. The probability is reasonable and ensures we do not succumb to any adverse selection issues.
Secondly no_re's fine analysis of the connection to Quick(Attack)Striker and his subsequent replies make me feel a bit suspicious. Let me put some additional stuff forward for consideration:
Before no_re posted his analysis placing some suspicion on QuickStriker, he had made a total of 9 posts in the thread. Of those only 2 are edited. i.e. 2/9. However once the analysis was posted all of his subsequent posts, until some other member pointed this out to him, are edited, and one is edited more than once. Couple this with the fact that he is an old TL member, with around 1500 posts, and so should be familiar that Tl.net and other forums frown on post editing. Therefore his edited posts after the analysis by no_re could hint that he got a bit uneasy. Its hard to tell whether he got uneasy because he's mafia or because he's nervous for being called out so early, but the narration seems to point to the former.
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On January 20 2010 21:23 d3_crescentia wrote:
Days last for 48 hours... there's plenty of time to discuss.
I don't like the idea of voting for people simply based on how hard they say they're going to try.
I've just seen this but is it not strange how d3_crescentia posts that he does not like to vote for people who simply say they'll try hard, but afterwards posts his own candidature where he says basically the same thing he slated a few posts ago, except its sugar coated with some pointless characteristics listing, which can by no means be verified.
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Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
On a second note, I still stand by my initial comment of waiting 2-3 days after the mayor/sheriff have been started in order to receive more clues and link up the mafia with the men they will kill then. Each day, 3 people will die due to the fact that they have 3 Kill Point at the moment, and if we can at least wait 2 days, there will be 6 kills, but 6 clues to figure out. We can't really waste votes on someone who we aren't so sure yet until we can confirm at least 90% that it is certain this and that person is mafia. That's why it's important that all the townies must come together and work as a team, especially the ones who have roles like Detective, medic, etc.
My suggestion is that for the detective, use the clue check and see if "no_re"s post was correct and on the mark or not. Since he did mention 2 possible leads, the OP can tell the detective that it is either correct that the assumptions and leads are in a right direction or not. But regardless of the response, they must also be careful not to be caught by the mafia and realized that they are DTs or the mafia will start targeting them next turn....
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On January 20 2010 23:50 dozko wrote:Alright day 1, here's my take on the situation: [BTW i've spoilered these since they turned out quite long] Firstly the method of picking the sheriff and mayor. + Show Spoiler +We have two real options here: one is to go for a random vote i.e. every person draws a random number from 1 to 34 and then another from the remainder and those are the votes. The second option is to support the candidatures of people who have expressed desire to be those roles.
As far as the first method goes one can calculate that the probability of at least one from the sheriff or mayor being mafia is 0,374 or 37% basically. So the only reason we should go for the second choosing method is if we believe we can achieve a lower probability by it.
Why I dont believe this is possible: the only reason a person will nominate himself is if that person has an incentive. These can be of two kinds: good or bad. Its trivial to see why bad incentives harm our chances (ie. the person is mafia). The good incentives can also be harmful mainly because such a person desires the role for:
a) "protection" . This will adversely affect his playstile because he now does not have to put that much effort in argumentation. This line of thought is similar to the economics research done, whereby an increase in cycling helmets' safety actually lead to an increase in cycling related injuries.
b) because " he wants to lead the town". Its a democracy and relying too much on the individual opinion of some person who happens to be elected for a responsible position, without any real arguments, will skew the towns analysis and judgment. Hence such positions should only be used to utilize their special "abilities" and not to add any analytical weighting.
Therefore I propose the random pick method for our sheriff and mayor. The probability is reasonable and ensures we do not succumb to any adverse selection issues. Secondly no_re's fine analysis of the connection to Quick(Attack)Striker and his subsequent replies make me feel a bit suspicious. Let me put some additional stuff forward for consideration: Before no_re posted his analysis placing some suspicion on QuickStriker, he had made a total of 9 posts in the thread. Of those only 2 are edited. i.e. 2/9. However once the analysis was posted all of his subsequent posts, until some other member pointed this out to him, are edited, and one is edited more than once. Couple this with the fact that he is an old TL member, with around 1500 posts, and so should be familiar that Tl.net and other forums frown on post editing. Therefore his edited posts after the analysis by no_re could hint that he got a bit uneasy. Its hard to tell whether he got uneasy because he's mafia or because he's nervous for being called out so early, but the narration seems to point to the former.
Just to comment on my editing, I honestly didn't know editing is wrong after someone pointed me out. As you see, each of my edit tells what i have edited as I never changed my comment or view where it's stating something else. My style of editing has always been like that and you can check throughout TL where I post and edit stuff. I always make that *edit* mark as it is my habit to do so. Seriously guys, let's be real here, if you really think I'm mafia, then kill me first and let's take it from there. I'm not really that much interested in this game since if I was, I would have done a whole lot more. But then again, you would be killing the most active person in this game right now judging how I was able to contribute more than everyone with what we should and what shouldn't be doing. But whatever.
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What I do like at the moment is after looking through the names of the posters after I slept to now, most of them are the ones who have absolutely NOTHING on their profile.... Xelin also admitted he had edited his profile after I made that list so if I didn't make such a list, no one would have known that he originally didn't had anything on a profile. Besides, as the rules and OP says, it's illegal to edit your profile where that automatically considers as "cheating" as in per rules. I just want to leave that for food for thought as I take a shower.
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Dzoko your reasoning is fine and tbh it does make certain sense going with a random selection purely to avoid being duped and led into a situation where mafia are in important roles. My main quibble with it is that this game is meant to be a strategical analysis kind of game and it doesn't really seem in the spirit of things to emphasise randomness in selecting the people who get voted in. That said i wouldn't really be against it, just personally I would be more inclined to go with reasoning and vote for someone i feel would both suit the role and that i am not suspicious of.
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On January 20 2010 23:54 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 21:23 d3_crescentia wrote:
Days last for 48 hours... there's plenty of time to discuss.
I don't like the idea of voting for people simply based on how hard they say they're going to try. I've just seen this but is it not strange how d3_crescentia posts that he does not like to vote for people who simply say they'll try hard, but afterwards posts his own candidature where he says basically the same thing he slated a few posts ago, except its sugar coated with some pointless characteristics listing, which can by no means be verified.
I like to shower myself with compliments. If you took offense to that, then I apologize.
Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in.
I do think, though that he has the right idea - we should investigate and dissect whatever clues we have right now for the DTs to check at night. In one of my earlier posts I recommended checking the bodies, especially since there weren't two but THREE deaths. We don't know how the first person died, and that in itself might be a clue.
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On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 23:54 dozko wrote:On January 20 2010 21:23 d3_crescentia wrote:
Days last for 48 hours... there's plenty of time to discuss.
I don't like the idea of voting for people simply based on how hard they say they're going to try. I've just seen this but is it not strange how d3_crescentia posts that he does not like to vote for people who simply say they'll try hard, but afterwards posts his own candidature where he says basically the same thing he slated a few posts ago, except its sugar coated with some pointless characteristics listing, which can by no means be verified. I like to shower myself with compliments. If you took offense to that, then I apologize. Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in. I do think, though that he has the right idea - we should investigate and dissect whatever clues we have right now for the DTs to check at night. In one of my earlier posts I recommended checking the bodies, especially since there weren't two but THREE deaths. We don't know how the first person died, and that in itself might be a clue.
Nah man I did not, dont get too defensive, I was merely posting my thoughts, with the idea to get more people commenting. Of course we do not have nearly enough information right now to make any 100% correct decisions but every theory, no matter how accurate still generates some sort of a discussion which helps the town have more to base decisions on.
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On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 23:54 dozko wrote:On January 20 2010 21:23 d3_crescentia wrote:
Days last for 48 hours... there's plenty of time to discuss.
I don't like the idea of voting for people simply based on how hard they say they're going to try. I've just seen this but is it not strange how d3_crescentia posts that he does not like to vote for people who simply say they'll try hard, but afterwards posts his own candidature where he says basically the same thing he slated a few posts ago, except its sugar coated with some pointless characteristics listing, which can by no means be verified. I like to shower myself with compliments. If you took offense to that, then I apologize. Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in. I do think, though that he has the right idea - we should investigate and dissect whatever clues we have right now for the DTs to check at night. In one of my earlier posts I recommended checking the bodies, especially since there weren't two but THREE deaths. We don't know how the first person died, and that in itself might be a clue.
Hmm... that last part you said is really getting to me right now... there is barely any description of how the first guy had died.... and that being a clue itself can also refer to someone who has a blank empty profile! Of course that is a wild guess and it's still too vague and early to assume that... Though if we think about it, it is possible that out of the 12 names I mentioned earlier who has a complete empty profile, one of them can be mafia.....
The DT can only check one person's clues rather than a list of clues made by more than one person, so what we need right now to maximize DT's ability is to have a single person to compile all the clues into one post and stating that it was based on his thinking which the DT can take advantage of that and exploit it where he can use his ability on that single post to the OP in which the OP has NO CHOICE but to give its answer.... that is one method I would go for to further help the DT..
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Checking up on people with large postcounts for veterancy using the search feature...
~OpZ~ - TL Mafia II, III
JoxxOr - TL Mafia II, Ace's Mafia World
decafchicken - TL Mafia II, III
l10f - Pyrry's Mafia Game
Fishball - a lot of them (II, III, V, VII, and more)
QuickStriker - TL Mafia VII
I know there are plenty of people who have played mafia with relatively smaller postcounts. I'll come up with those as soon as I feel up searching through 29 more names.
At any rate, these are people with posting histories that we can maybe sort of guess about their posting history/behaviors.
Also... a discrepancy (for the lulz, I'm guessing):
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before! Oh decaf, you... person.
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On January 21 2010 00:55 d3_crescentia wrote:Checking up on people with large postcounts for veterancy using the search feature... ~OpZ~ - TL Mafia II, III JoxxOr - TL Mafia II, Ace's Mafia World decafchicken - TL Mafia II, III l10f - Pyrry's Mafia Game Fishball - a lot of them (II, III, V, VII, and more) QuickStriker - TL Mafia VII I know there are plenty of people who have played mafia with relatively smaller postcounts. I'll come up with those as soon as I feel up searching through 29 more names. At any rate, these are people with posting histories that we can maybe sort of guess about their posting history/behaviors. Also... a discrepancy (for the lulz, I'm guessing): + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before! Oh decaf, you... person.
Thanks for pointing those facts out, it is definitely helpful. But I do realize that you didn't make a history of mafia games yourself as you seem to recognize me from previous mafia game I played which based on your list is Mafia VII, which seems probably correct.
And that was funny how you pointed out about decaf... lol!
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I just used the search feature. It may be missing information. And, as I've said, it's not a full list.
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On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in.
I know it's too soon, but it seems crazy that someone who is mafia could be that prominent in his posting. He has about 15% of posts in a 34 player game.
Mods, for future reference, can we ask for a current vote count at any stage?
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First day clues should NOT be used to lynch a person unless the day progresses, so that they correspond with the other day's clues. Moreover, I am really wary of the fact that two obvious clues pointing to single individual appeared within a single day. That is generally sign of the unintentional red herring.
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The fact that we don't have as much activeness from other townies or majority of people compared to the other game really sadden me. The ones who are in the mist of quietness and just sitting along the sidelines should all step up rather than being scared or not wanting to come out at all because they're lazy. This game contrast to the other mafia game going on right now is so far behind with pretty much everything. Perhaps it's just me that I think this way but that's what and how I see it right now....
On January 21 2010 02:06 haster27 wrote:
First day clues should NOT be used to lynch a person unless the day progresses, so that they correspond with the other day's clues. Moreover, I am really wary of the fact that two obvious clues pointing to single individual appeared within a single day. That is generally sign of the unintentional red herring.
3 things regarding the first day clues:
1. The 2 clues weren't pointing or directed at single individual, as they were usually directed to 2 different people as the OP or the TL mafia game works in a way each death leads to a clue to one different person.
2. I'm just sort of hyper and active in the beginning stages, especially right now when I'm on my winter break having absolutely nothing to do..... though I still don't get how that is how I am unintentional red herring when I am coming up being the most active person in this game right now wanting this game to move along much quicker and trying to lead this game into a positive direction.
3. There were 3 deaths, meaning 3 clues, which also means 3 different people, not 1.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
In games of Mafia, there are degrees of activity. These degrees of activity would persist no matter what roles people got, and since roles were randomly assigned, suggesting that 'Poster A' is mafia because he posts too much is ignoring the fact that 'Poster A' would've contributed significantly anyway, as they're experienced with games of mafia, and comfortable playing any role.
What instead is more important are deviations in posting patterns and word choice. These will lead us more surely to the mafia.
This not to say that anyone is or isn't mafia, it's simply a note of caution. We shouldn't go about lynching our most active and productive members, or else who's going to go about finding the clues?
The reason I announced my candidacy for sheriff/mayor is that I have the objectivity and patience to not consistently make ridiculous judgments.
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On January 21 2010 02:01 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in. I know it's too soon, but it seems crazy that someone who is mafia could be that prominent in his posting. He has about 15% of posts in a 34 player game. Mods, for future reference, can we ask for a current vote count at any stage?
I believe I have at least or around 50% of posts since the game started! Just pointing that out though I don't want to brag or anything. I just really want this game to start, move, and go on.... =/
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On January 21 2010 02:01 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in. I know it's too soon, but it seems crazy that someone who is mafia could be that prominent in his posting. He has about 15% of posts in a 34 player game.
Which is one of the reasons why I don't believe he's mafia despite what other people think. Also, our game has been relatively slow in comparison to the other one.
On January 21 2010 02:06 haster27 wrote:
First day clues should NOT be used to lynch a person unless the day progresses, so that they correspond with the other day's clues. Moreover, I am really wary of the fact that two obvious clues pointing to single individual appeared within a single day. That is generally sign of the unintentional red herring.
I don't really see two clues pointing to the same person, because I don't believe that there's anything concrete about our discussion of these clues except wild conjecture. no_re has given us the best (if not only) analysis of what he thinks the clues mean.
My opinion is that we should try and figure out what parts of the clues are the most suggestive and clue check those. There will be a lot more information to deal with once day two comes. The other problem is that we haven't seen much activity as of yet, and so it's hard to hold a discussion when there's only two-three isolated people participating at one time.
As for lynching... we should lynch whoever we reason out seems to be most likely mafia. We can't really do that without higher participation, though.
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On January 21 2010 02:15 tree.hugger wrote:
In games of Mafia, there are degrees of activity. These degrees of activity would persist no matter what roles people got, and since roles were randomly assigned, suggesting that 'Poster A' is mafia because he posts too much is ignoring the fact that 'Poster A' would've contributed significantly anyway, as they're experienced with games of mafia, and comfortable playing any role.
What instead is more important are deviations in posting patterns and word choice. These will lead us more surely to the mafia.
This not to say that anyone is or isn't mafia, it's simply a note of caution. We shouldn't go about lynching our most active and productive members, or else who's going to go about finding the clues?
The reason I announced my candidacy for sheriff/mayor is that I have the objectivity and patience to not consistently make ridiculous judgments.
I like the way you think.
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I was at the other mafia game and this post really got to me...
On January 21 2010 02:19 Bill Murray wrote:
789 my theory is not thrown out the window... it is correct
town wants player A lynched tonight
mayor lynches player B instead
Player B and mayor are either friends or mafia, and are going against the town's wishes.
We should then lynch the mayor, as he has 3 possible votes per voting window. Him saying "i vote for [NyC]Hobbes" = 3 votes. We can't have someone doing that and going against the wishes of the majority of the town.
i suppose the mayor could do this just on a whim, but would we want someone like that as the mayor even if they arent mafia?
It gives a good point regarding what sort of mayor we want..... it's some good food for thought to think about if we get a mayor and his first vote to kill would be someone who is mafia but went against the town decision.... and the whole if we want a mayor who goes against the town wishes... hmm...
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On January 21 2010 02:26 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 02:15 tree.hugger wrote:
In games of Mafia, there are degrees of activity. These degrees of activity would persist no matter what roles people got, and since roles were randomly assigned, suggesting that 'Poster A' is mafia because he posts too much is ignoring the fact that 'Poster A' would've contributed significantly anyway, as they're experienced with games of mafia, and comfortable playing any role.
What instead is more important are deviations in posting patterns and word choice. These will lead us more surely to the mafia.
This not to say that anyone is or isn't mafia, it's simply a note of caution. We shouldn't go about lynching our most active and productive members, or else who's going to go about finding the clues?
The reason I announced my candidacy for sheriff/mayor is that I have the objectivity and patience to not consistently make ridiculous judgments. I like the way you think.
I second that thought. Like I mentioned again and again, it's too early to assume anything who the mafia could be. The clues are a bit too vague compared to the other game if you take a chance to look at them....
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent.
Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately.
This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character.
But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position.
The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster.
Be wary of these.
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Just want to restate this because I think it's extremely important to help out the DTs at this point.
The DT can only check one person's clues rather than a list of clues made by more than one person, so what we need right now to maximize DT's ability is to have a single person to compile all the clues into one post and stating that it was based on his thinking which the DT can take advantage of that and exploit it where he can use his ability on that single post to the OP in which the OP has NO CHOICE but to give its answer.... that is one method I would go for to further help the DT..
So far, the clues that are wrapped up and given for each death that gives possible leads are the following:
1. d3_crescentia's suggestion of how no description on the first guy's death is a clue. I fully endorse this idea and took it to further saying it can possibly be someone who has a blank profile, giving from the list I had last page. Xelin is also a possibility just to point out that he modified his profile and added stuff in AFTER I made that list yesterday of blank profiles.
2. no_re's reference of that "quick attack" that leads to me.
3. no_re's other reference to d3_crescentia regarding the flower thing and the connection to its name and all....
At least we can start with those leads where if we have someone else to compile a really nice neat post that the DT can use the clue check on that post. Mine is still a little messy imo. But at this point of game, we gotta help out the hidden DTs out there to check the related clues.
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On January 21 2010 02:30 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent. Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately. This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character. But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position. The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster. Be wary of these.
Once again, I do support and endorse your post. You saw my viewpoint and my train of thought exactly. This is the type of mindset we need in this type of game. Mafia or not, I would have made such comment has if the initial verdict had fallen on me. But yes, I'm playing to win (I mean who plays to lose? rofl), but I was implying and giving this message to everyone, especially the novices like you have stated. But since you were able to directly understand my statement there, I'm far curious of which what direction you would take regarding this. ^_^
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On January 21 2010 02:30 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent. Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately. This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character. But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position. The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster. Be wary of these.
Positive-emotion trading aside, I'd also like to point out that we should be wary of you for kindly analyzing the thought process behind this post.
I'm glad we can all be intellectual here.
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spelling and grammar error on my last post. I meant "started" not "stated" as I would normally edit my post to correct this.
Also the type of mindset I meant is both how I am thinking and how tree.hugger is thinking.
Lastly, I think I worded this incorrectly but in no way means was I trying to insult or call tree.hugger a noob. I wasn't trying to imply that at all, in case further misunderstanding occurs.
Epic fail for me, I meant "stated" not "started" so disregard my first comment...
On January 21 2010 02:44 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 02:30 tree.hugger wrote:
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent. Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately. This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character. But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position. The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster. Be wary of these. Positive-emotion trading aside, I'd also like to point out that we should be wary of you for kindly analyzing the thought process behind this post. I'm glad we can all be intellectual here.
I'm glad you can also see it that way as well. ^_^
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On January 21 2010 02:35 QuickStriker wrote:
So far, the clues that are wrapped up and given for each death that gives possible leads are the following:
1. d3_crescentia's suggestion of how no description on the first guy's death is a clue. I fully endorse this idea and took it to further saying it can possibly be someone who has a blank profile, giving from the list I had last page. Xelin is also a possibility just to point out that he modified his profile and added stuff in AFTER I made that list yesterday of blank profiles.
I don't believe this is exactly the case. Yes, there's no mention of how the first person died, and that may be a clue in and of itself. The locale may be enough of a clue to tell us something substantial as well, as it wasn't written in rhyme.
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Quick what are you saying? It is these kinds of unclear lines of reasoning where you don't specifically lay out your argument that are suggestive of purposefully creating confusion amongst the townies.
You mention me by name, why? am i more likely to be a mafia because of that clue than any of the other people with blank profiles, Does my editing and explaining why afterwards make me more likely to be mafia?
Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why.
That leaves me with possibilites then, you are annoyed that I have openly stated that i find you very suspicious and a possible mafia and in light of this have decided to name me as a kind of "i know you are but what am i" kind of defence. Of course you could have this reaction if you are a townie and upset about having suspicion cast on you this early because obviously no-one wants to die but for the record, with every post you make I consider you more and more red.
Also you and cresentia seem exceptionally like minded and supportive of each other and as such if one of you is red i would be inclined to believe the other one is as well.
But anyway my main point is this, I have provided clear reasons as for why I have named you as a suspicious person. Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have.
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Omg, I am so stupid, I accidently edited my last post.... dammit. The edit starts on the fourth sentence... Sorry about that..
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On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:
Quick what are you saying? It is these kinds of unclear lines of reasoning where you don't specifically lay out your argument that are suggestive of purposefully creating confusion amongst the townies.
You mention me by name, why? am i more likely to be a mafia because of that clue than any of the other people with blank profiles, Does my editing and explaining why afterwards make me more likely to be mafia?
Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why.
That leaves me with possibilites then, you are annoyed that I have openly stated that i find you very suspicious and a possible mafia and in light of this have decided to name me as a kind of "i know you are but what am i" kind of defence. Of course you could have this reaction if you are a townie and upset about having suspicion cast on you this early because obviously no-one wants to die but for the record, with every post you make I consider you more and more red.
Also you and cresentia seem exceptionally like minded and supportive of each other and as such if one of you is red i would be inclined to believe the other one is as well.
But anyway my main point is this, I have provided clear reasons as for why I have named you as a suspicious person. Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have.
I never said you were mafia nor was I suspicious of you. However, I did imply the fact that you broke one of the rules of not to edit profiles in which you did and I was merely pointing that out for future references. Please do not misunderstand me.
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Another thing I would like to add is I was only supportive of cresentia and the few others posting here at the point because THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO ARE ACTIVE RIGHT NOW making actual suggestions and comments. I mean out of all the 34 players in this game, I only see at most 5 people active... where the hell are the other 29 people?
Is that better of an explosive anger? Because it was.
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Let's also look at it this way. There has yet to be a single vote on toward the voting thread of THIS mafia game compared to the other mafia voting thread that has 22 comments contrast to 2 comments on our game. Why do you think I am angry right now regarding of lack of activeness of this one compared to other?
I mentioned it again and again, I want this game to move quicker like the other game. Maybe not as equally quick but come on, why should I be the only one making like 50% of the posts of this game?
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About the intention of not lynching anyone on the first day, well if i read the rules correctly, I don't think it's an option cause the mayor HAVE to choose some1.
So, I would like the election candidates to say who they plan on lynching if they get the mayor and why.
There's alot of time before the election happen, so I think that the mayor should choose the least active person to lynch at the time of the election.
Why? because I think that mafia memebers should play quietly in the begining, not all of them, but a good part of them hae to stay hidden and not give away clues. There is also the risk of getting a green/blue.
Now, I think that the risk of getting a blue with this method is less likely than getting a green or a red.
Blue roles should be considered more exiting by new people, getting them to post more often. If you're green, on the other hand, well, you don't feel that exited anymore so you're less likely to post.
Now, if we're unlucky and get an inactive blue, well.. the guy was inactive anyways so it's not that much of a big deal.
In mafia case, picture this, you're new to the game, and you got the red role, the bad guy, what you're going to do? first, my guess would be some sort of cooperation and organisation starting between the members to decide the ways of action. And like I said, you will try not to give clues or get people to know you too soon. Of course there will be some loudmouth, probly some1 running in the elections for instance but the majority should be moderatly quiet.
Of course, it would be preferable to lynch a mafia of day1 but, let's face it, with so few clues and the lack of material posted we're not going to find one without a hudge stroke of luck.
Now if the candidate opt for this guideline, i recomend observing closely the post after his anouncement. My guts tell me that mafia memebers should be lurking this thread quite alot (you're exited about being a bad guy, but you can't say too much, but since you're exited you're still actively checking the thread) and would try to avoid a first day lynch by sudenly posting more. Even if there are not alot of a priori deductions, the candidates making some strong statement would shake the game a little and alow for more material to work with.
Also, when some1 die, do we get to know his role?
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I agree with the above post where SagaZ states where the mayor choose the least active person. However, that is if the main public and majority of us wishes to as the mayor should take the will of the people. The mayor gets 3 votes contrast to 1 each of us, so if anything, the mayor must first take trust upon us or else we might even end up in a situation where the town became suspicious of the mayor for being the mafia (which is quite possible). The only problem right now is the lack of candidates as we only have like 2, and also the lack of activeness in this game where the main voices of this game at the moment are the minority...
On January 21 2010 03:03 SagaZ wrote:
Also, when some1 die, do we get to know his role?
Yes, the OP will give a juicy description of how he dies....... very juicy if it was by the town/mayor... ^_^
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On January 21 2010 03:03 SagaZ wrote:
About the intention of not lynching anyone on the first day, well if i read the rules correctly, I don't think it's an option cause the mayor HAVE to choose some1.
So, I would like the election candidates to say who they plan on lynching if they get the mayor and why.
There's alot of time before the election happen, so I think that the mayor should choose the least active person to lynch at the time of the election.
Why? because I think that mafia memebers should play quietly in the begining, not all of them, but a good part of them hae to stay hidden and not give away clues. There is also the risk of getting a green/blue.
Now, I think that the risk of getting a blue with this method is less likely than getting a green or a red.
Blue roles should be considered more exiting by new people, getting them to post more often. If you're green, on the other hand, well, you don't feel that exited anymore so you're less likely to post.
Now, if we're unlucky and get an inactive blue, well.. the guy was inactive anyways so it's not that much of a big deal.
In mafia case, picture this, you're new to the game, and you got the red role, the bad guy, what you're going to do? first, my guess would be some sort of cooperation and organisation starting between the members to decide the ways of action. And like I said, you will try not to give clues or get people to know you too soon. Of course there will be some loudmouth, probly some1 running in the elections for instance but the majority should be moderatly quiet.
Of course, it would be preferable to lynch a mafia of day1 but, let's face it, with so few clues and the lack of material posted we're not going to find one without a hudge stroke of luck.
Now if the candidate opt for this guideline, i recomend observing closely the post after his anouncement. My guts tell me that mafia memebers should be lurking this thread quite alot (you're exited about being a bad guy, but you can't say too much, but since you're exited you're still actively checking the thread) and would try to avoid a first day lynch by sudenly posting more. Even if there are not alot of a priori deductions, the candidates making some strong statement would shake the game a little and alow for more material to work with.
Also, when some1 die, do we get to know his role?
Yes, when someone dies, we get to know his role.
For a while I also entertained the thought of lynching the most inactive, but in truth it doesn't really serve us altogether that much. Sure, we don't really lose anything if we hit a blue/green, but we really don't gain anything either. To be fair, I don't think we really have a choice either, so lynching the most inactive seems *safest*... I just don't see much of a benefit unless we get really, really lucky.
Also, it's possible that the mafia knows this line of thought and would be active posters. In one of the previous games, the GF had wormed his way into a trusted circle of blues and avoided detection until nearly the very end of the game.
If our DTs aren't at work figuring out who the clues point to (and convincing us while they're at it) then everything we have up to this point is wild conjecture based on whether or not people rub us the wrong way.
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heh Sagaz interesting you raised that as I was just outside having a ciggarette thinking over the things in this thread and how there have already been claims made, suspcions cast e.t.c and was thinking it might be extremely intelligent for the mafia as a whole to simply not post much, rely on us creating so much confusion amongst ourselves that they do not need to try to provoke it or develop it.
I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. Its worth considering however as it would be quite an intelligent ploy and also a kinda interesting social experiment ^^
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Also, I saw the lack of content in some profiles.
I think that at the point we are right now, if we have to choose between lynching a no profile guy and a profile with content guy, the content should have the priority.
I'm saying this taking the GM point of view in this, you're making a mafia game and have to show creativeness and a clue in each mafia hit.
So who would you choose to be mafia? a guy without any info in his content so you will have to make clues entirely based on his name? Or the guy with the profile with the one you're able to make very smart clues that will make people go :O bisu mode.
another question, isn't there some way to look at pasts games made there?, like the first mafia games (I can only see the XV, XIV and XII edition, with some freestyle and mini editions)
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On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:
heh Sagaz interesting you raised that as I was just outside having a ciggarette thinking over the things in this thread and how there have already been claims made, suspcions cast e.t.c and was thinking it might be extremely intelligent for the mafia as a whole to simply not post much, rely on us creating so much confusion amongst ourselves that they do not need to try to provoke it or develop it.
I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. Its worth considering however as it would be quite an intelligent ploy and also a kinda interesting social experiment ^^
Maybe... but not necessarily. We get to lynch one person per day; they can kill up to three people currently (or do they have to? I'm operating under the assumption that they don't have to kill anyone if they don't want to). It's possible that the first lynch will hit a blue role and screw it up, but it shouldn't be an unwinnable situation.
If the mafia refuses to kill people, then we can do the same and refuse to lynch as our DTs do extended checks on the clues we have. I think the mafia *has* to try kill people to keep us occupied.
Now the real issue is if we can reason through things properly...
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On January 21 2010 00:55 d3_crescentia wrote:
Checking up on people with large postcounts for veterancy using the search feature...
~OpZ~ - TL Mafia II, III
JoxxOr - TL Mafia II, Ace's Mafia World
decafchicken - TL Mafia II, III
l10f - Pyrry's Mafia Game
Fishball - a lot of them (II, III, V, VII, and more)
QuickStriker - TL Mafia VII
One more to add to this list that I initially overlooked... iLoveKT has also played before, in TL Mafia XII at the very least.
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With regards to the first murder (L's) why is it people have so hastily concluded there are no clues?
To my eyes we have references of docks and tide i.e. sea/ocean, which might be a clue pointing towards Fishball
Also
"Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide."
There is a player called softer
These may be a bit too straightforward, but surely they are worth some consideration? Also since both of these guys have yet to post; it will be good to hear their opinions on the matter.
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On January 21 2010 03:47 dozko wrote:With regards to the first murder (L's) why is it people have so hastily concluded there are no clues? To my eyes we have references of docks and tide i.e. sea/ocean, which might be a clue pointing towards FishballAlso "Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide." There is a player called softerThese may be a bit too straightforward, but surely they are worth some consideration? Also since both of these guys have yet to post; it will be good to hear their opinions on the matter.
Thanks for the enlightening post. I didn't mean to say that the first murder contained zero clues, just that there was nothing as far as manner of death goes. At the same time, I simply wasn't picking up on things. As for water-related things, there's also drinking.
What makes me doubt, though is that the section is written in segments of both prose and poetry. My thought is that the prose would indicate what the real clues were, so you might be right about the tender-softer connection. Of course, I could be completely off-base with the poetry/prose thing, so...
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On January 21 2010 04:01 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 03:47 dozko wrote:With regards to the first murder (L's) why is it people have so hastily concluded there are no clues? To my eyes we have references of docks and tide i.e. sea/ocean, which might be a clue pointing towards FishballAlso "Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide." There is a player called softerThese may be a bit too straightforward, but surely they are worth some consideration? Also since both of these guys have yet to post; it will be good to hear their opinions on the matter. Thanks for the enlightening post. I didn't mean to say that the first murder contained zero clues, just that there was nothing as far as manner of death goes. At the same time, I simply wasn't picking up on things. As for water-related things, there's also drinking. What makes me doubt, though is that the section is written in segments of both prose and poetry. My thought is that the prose would indicate what the real clues were, so you might be right about the tender-softer connection. Of course, I could be completely off-base with the poetry/prose thing, so...
Hm i dont know its hard to put your finger on anything this early, especially with only a handful of people posting. Also Im no writer but to me the "poetry" sections include rhyme in a very haphazard manner. I mean isn't there meant to be some sort of consistent structure to it ?
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On January 21 2010 04:36 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 04:01 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 21 2010 03:47 dozko wrote:With regards to the first murder (L's) why is it people have so hastily concluded there are no clues? To my eyes we have references of docks and tide i.e. sea/ocean, which might be a clue pointing towards FishballAlso "Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide." There is a player called softerThese may be a bit too straightforward, but surely they are worth some consideration? Also since both of these guys have yet to post; it will be good to hear their opinions on the matter. Thanks for the enlightening post. I didn't mean to say that the first murder contained zero clues, just that there was nothing as far as manner of death goes. At the same time, I simply wasn't picking up on things. As for water-related things, there's also drinking. What makes me doubt, though is that the section is written in segments of both prose and poetry. My thought is that the prose would indicate what the real clues were, so you might be right about the tender-softer connection. Of course, I could be completely off-base with the poetry/prose thing, so... Hm i dont know its hard to put your finger on anything this early, especially with only a handful of people posting. Also Im no writer but to me the "poetry" sections include rhyme in a very haphazard manner. I mean isn't there meant to be some sort of consistent structure to it ?
Well, I mean there are lines that rhyme and then there are lines that do not. I'll look at the structure in a bit.
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Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly.
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On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly.
I am going to take a nap and see if more people are active in the evening.
Maybe the mafia won't have to do anything if the majority of our game is inactive (including DTs) so we're forced to do stupid random lynchings -_-
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don't worry, you probably just have to wait until more people realize the game has started. It's a lot of people's first time playing so they won't be jumping in so fast.
ETA: Also when people start dying, activity usually spikes ^_^
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On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly.
we're superior
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On January 21 2010 06:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly. we're superior
it would be fun if a cross-thread mafia could be run in the future, where we could cross-pollinate people from different towns every now and then
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On January 21 2010 06:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly. we're superior
GO BACK TO YOUR OWN MAFIA TOWN!!! THIS IS OURS!!!
But yea... not so active even now.... sighs... Guess we'll wait a day or two...
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Im starting to warm to the idea someone mentioned earlier about lynching those that post least, not because i think it relates to them being mafia or would be productive in any way just out of sheer annoyance.
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O_o we haven't started yet right?
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On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right?
Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/
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On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote:Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/
Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._.
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On January 21 2010 03:21 SagaZ wrote:
So who would you choose to be mafia? a guy without any info in his content so you will have to make clues entirely based on his name? Or the guy with the profile with the one you're able to make very smart clues that will make people go :O bisu mode.
I like this, and not just because I don't have anything in my profile ;p but that said, I think the clues are the most important for the detectives to make choices about who to role check, obviously its going to be hard to be sure about what the clues are, and what they mean, so they aren't really grounds for lynching someone. What people actually post is far more important
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On January 21 2010 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right? Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/ Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._.
Hmm... well welcome!!! Glad to have at least one more active member of our little town.... it seems the mafias have put some poison gas or some sort of gas which is why everyone is silent or sleeping right now.... o.O
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On January 21 2010 08:32 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 03:21 SagaZ wrote:
So who would you choose to be mafia? a guy without any info in his content so you will have to make clues entirely based on his name? Or the guy with the profile with the one you're able to make very smart clues that will make people go :O bisu mode.
I like this, and not just because I don't have anything in my profile ;p but that said, I think the clues are the most important for the detectives to make choices about who to role check, obviously its going to be hard to be sure about what the clues are, and what they mean, so they aren't really grounds for lynching someone. What people actually post is far more important
Hmm... that's true. I might as well make a comment about this. Since the first vote for mayor is MANDATORY, I would prefer if the mayor chooses someone who is inactive or someone who we definitely know is mafia at this moment. However, the problem is, we don't know who the mafia is, the clues are a bit vague, and the inactive people will get mod-kill anyway if they don't show up. So basically, not only do we have to think carefully who to send up to the hanging rope first, but also what sort of decision and thoughts the mayor will make to come to this manner. Afterall, he is our leader. After that, since we won't have much definite clues, I should suggest to wait like 2 days... though 6 deaths is a bit much to spend in order to get closer... but for the good cause?
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On January 21 2010 08:34 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right? Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/ Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._. Hmm... well welcome!!! Glad to have at least one more active member of our little town.... it seems the mafias have put some poison gas or some sort of gas which is why everyone is silent or sleeping right now.... o.O
Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia.
On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 12:52 no_re wrote:Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry. My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote: With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me. I think that analysis overall was extremely good, from reading up on some earlier Mafia games it seems that the host often likes the come up with elaborate or entertaining deaths. This in itself makes the " With a quick attack " stand out far more in my eyes, and somewhat exonerates the other as possibly just being a whimsical choice by the host. In all honesty this by itself is enough to make me fairly suspicious and Quickstriker I am still more suspicious when I see some of what you have typed. In particular your reaction to no_re's non-serious accusation where you are essentially saying we must "hold off any action untill the DT comes forward and leads us through the valley of death and into the promised land" - I paraphrased, This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage. p.s. am i doin it rite?
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I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed.
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Well the game has started, but the lynching has. I say we take Xelin out first.
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hasn't* jesus, this editing rule is killing me.
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Well, those posts were some pages ago and accusations are normal at this point of the stage like these. The clues are a bit vague, the people are half or semi-half filled, and the town itself is shown as a laid back lazy town without a proper order. That is the vision I have from this countryside small populated of 34 people town. Of course, the town across from the street is heavily industrialized, the people are well educated, and the newly formed factions are performing their cases to become the mayor of that town (aka the other mafia game). And yet, here we are.... wondering what we have done to ourselves the past 24 hours....
But all in seriously, it's possible he can be a mafia but he accused me after the game started actually. Since the first bells of day started on page 4, perhaps taking a look there first is ideal. I do not know who is mafia nor anyone else does except for the mafias themselves of course. But what I do know is this, I am certain at least one of the 7 mafia will pave way to try to be a MAFIA MAYOR. And that my friends, we must prevent and stop from happening!
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On January 21 2010 08:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
hasn't* jesus, this editing rule is killing me.
I know, I made 3 mistakes already.... it's a habit of editing due to my constant grammar mistakes... =/
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I have decides to run for sheriff/mayor. I originally had planned not to, since I'm kind of a noobie to Mafia, but now I have some reasons:
1. I'm sure that the Mafia will try to get at least one of their members elected into a position of power, that's an opportunity they would not want to pass up. It seems a bit silly for me to say this, but I am not a Mafia, and I think its most important that someone who isn't a Mafia gets elected. I'm sure we are all playing to win, so we as townies,want to make sure we have a townie as mayor/sheriff. (even though I'm sure the Mafia will think the same way... but still)
2. I plan to be reasonably active, so that's always good o:
3. I like to think I'm a logical thinker, I won't get emotional about things, but I will look at how people interact/support each other (especially with the voting, of course the Mafia will want to place their votes on their own candidate), and try to figure out who both the mafia are, as well as the detectives, because obviously their input is important.
4. The Mafia will want to kill the people suspicious of them, or who look they they have the best chance of figuring out who they are. So if I get elected, I will not only post whatever I think, but if you want to message me with something that could get you killed, I will pass that on for you, since I have protection, I can say anything I want.
5. I do not think that activity determines ones role, if someones wants to be active, they will be no matter what role that is. That said, completely inactive people are kinda boring, and you cant really tell much about them if they don't actually post anything, unless it comes through the detectives. So, if get the position of Mayor, right now my plan is to kill someone with no posts, unless there is evidence that suggests that someone is a Mafia member, however I don't know how much there can be before DT's start checking people, there are more deaths, and more people most.
6. I will keep my mind open, but I will still draw my own conclusions. The Mafia will try to influence us, and as such, I will consider peoples ideas, and incentives, as if they were a member of the Mafia, as well as a if they are a townie. Much more can be learned if we look at both points of views.
7. I don't want to get killed by the Mafia lulz.
So yeah, vote for me!
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I like your way of thinking and campaigning laaan. Much better and organized from other candidates, going from straight to the point and reasons. I would like for all the other candidates to follow this example and give their own determination, statement, and most importantly, their methods/thinking in order to be elected. Props to you laaan for taking the real initiative!
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Thx ^^
But again, all voters need to look carefully at the candidates (Me, Crescentia, Fulgrim, Xelin, and Tree.hugger so far) posts, and who supports who. If a Mafia gets one of those positions, especially Mayor, they will pretty much 100% kill a townie on the first day, and the power of 3 votes is pretty big, with all the Mafia together, they would have 8 votes, and used all together that is pretty big (about 1/4th of the population at the start, and it will continually grow), especially if they is indecision in the voting.
So be careful!
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On January 21 2010 06:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly. we're superior
Oh yes.
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On January 21 2010 09:15 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 06:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly. we're superior Oh yes.
grrrr, go back to where you came from!!!!!! We no haz room for the likes for you other town townies!!! This is our town!!!
That being said, despite our slowness and inactiveness compared to the other town, I will proud to say, WE ARE SUPERIOR! ^_^
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I realized... we have a total votes of 5 people for the election in contrast of like over 20 on the other mafia game...... a bit sad imo...
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Hmm, I don't like this whole vote for me thing. Seems fishy, and especially the way he words it. He tries to win you over, so he can make sure he wins. I like his style no lie. But I won't be able to vote for him. Laaan, sorry, but my vote remains the same.
All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea.
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Hey guys I hate not being able to check the thread during the day..... I was thinking about what our plan was to try and win this thing because currently (I haven't had time to read all of the posts yet) we seem to be focused on WHO we are electing. We also need to think about who we want our DT's to role check (assuming they check the thread often enough) and how they can communicate any information they get without giving away their role. The whole thing kind of gives me a headache... ANYONE could claim to be a DT and so it would be hard to tell whether they were really a DT or just trying to screw us over. Ideas anyone?
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I like your campain Iaaan, very organised.
But i would like to hear who do you plan on linching on the first day if you're elected as a mayor.
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On January 21 2010 00:55 d3_crescentia wrote:Checking up on people with large postcounts for veterancy using the search feature... ~OpZ~ - TL Mafia II, III JoxxOr - TL Mafia II, Ace's Mafia World decafchicken - TL Mafia II, III l10f - Pyrry's Mafia Game Fishball - a lot of them (II, III, V, VII, and more) QuickStriker - TL Mafia VII I know there are plenty of people who have played mafia with relatively smaller postcounts. I'll come up with those as soon as I feel up searching through 29 more names. At any rate, these are people with posting histories that we can maybe sort of guess about their posting history/behaviors. Also... a discrepancy (for the lulz, I'm guessing): + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before! Oh decaf, you... person.
Randomly picked a candidate before reading the thread, but I like you, so I'm changing my vote to you.
This is actually my first time checking this thread, so just going through the pages right now.
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On January 21 2010 09:41 Fulgrim wrote:
Hey guys I hate not being able to check the thread during the day..... I was thinking about what our plan was to try and win this thing because currently (I haven't had time to read all of the posts yet) we seem to be focused on WHO we are electing. We also need to think about who we want our DT's to role check (assuming they check the thread often enough) and how they can communicate any information they get without giving away their role. The whole thing kind of gives me a headache... ANYONE could claim to be a DT and so it would be hard to tell whether they were really a DT or just trying to screw us over. Ideas anyone?
Well no one has said they're dt, so we're not that subject just yet.
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And I don't like the idea of not lynching ayone until we're 100% sure.
The thing is, we're never going to be, the game will revolve around making guess and playing a bit with each others to try to get the maximum info for the big guess.
Basically, not lynching anyone sets the town back and gives the iniciative to the mafia players since I guess the mafia is more likely to target the most active posters. So hopefully the medics are good at guessing who's going to be attacked.
First day is more likely to lynch an honest civilian, but it almost always does.
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Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that.
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On January 21 2010 09:49 SagaZ wrote:
And I don't like the idea of not lynching ayone until we're 100% sure.
The thing is, we're never going to be, the game will revolve around making guess and playing a bit with each others to try to get the maximum info for the big guess.
Basically, not lynching anyone sets the town back and gives the iniciative to the mafia players since I guess the mafia is more likely to target the most active posters. So hopefully the medics are good at guessing who's going to be attacked.
First day is more likely to lynch an honest civilian, but it almost always does.
The mayor thing, we have no choice of. The mayor HAS TO lynch someone, so if anything, it should be for the best interest of what everyone thinks and suggest who the mafia is.
However, the only reason I suggest that is the cost of risk if we happen to incorrectly vote who the mafia is and instead end up with a dead DT or medic or anything who's important. The initial clues right now is too vague and we need more leads. That's why I suggested 2-3 days wait but now, I'm going to suggest perhaps only one day skip instead because it may be harder to end up with 6-9 people dead. But there will be that much more clues given.
The point is, this game will end if there are more mafias than townies. There are 7 of them and the rest are 27. So even with 7 of them gone (1 from mayor and let's say we give up 6 of them for their killing), there will still be 20 townies strong standing to go up against 7. Their powers of killing work based on their number divide by 2 and rounded up but max is 3. So they can kill 3 right now. If we can at least reduce that to 4, they can only kill 2. And 2 will mean 1. But right now, I can't come up with other solutions but to wait until for more clues. If the clues are obvious or if the clues can actually lead up to a single lead, that would be the next step, deciding whether to lynch him during the day or not...
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On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that.
This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN
Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out!
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Directed at fulgrims point, about thinking about who to role check, as well as DT's and everyone else, the biggest thing we have for our DT's at the moment are the clues. as murders happen and we start seeing connections between peoples posts there will be more things to consider in the future, but as of right now I think the biggest thing we have are the clues. so, I pulled out the most comprehensive posts concerning them:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 04:01 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 03:47 dozko wrote:With regards to the first murder (L's) why is it people have so hastily concluded there are no clues? To my eyes we have references of docks and tide i.e. sea/ocean, which might be a clue pointing towards FishballAlso "Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide." There is a player called softerThese may be a bit too straightforward, but surely they are worth some consideration? Also since both of these guys have yet to post; it will be good to hear their opinions on the matter. Thanks for the enlightening post. I didn't mean to say that the first murder contained zero clues, just that there was nothing as far as manner of death goes. At the same time, I simply wasn't picking up on things. As for water-related things, there's also drinking. What makes me doubt, though is that the section is written in segments of both prose and poetry. My thought is that the prose would indicate what the real clues were, so you might be right about the tender-softer connection. Of course, I could be completely off-base with the poetry/prose thing, so...
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 18:03 d3_crescentia wrote:Hi everybody, I'm glad to be in this game of TL-Mafia. Some thoughts/analysis... Show nested quote +One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event.
An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment.
The sheriff Ace however was on the case.
Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek.
What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide.
Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave.
A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun.
Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.
His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped. The lines that are bolded are written in prose. The lines that are not make some attempt to rhyme. I feel that the prose lines contain the clues, though it could be the other way around. For the most part, I agree with no_re's preliminary judgments - the broken flower vase, the "quick attack" - though I think that we're going to need more analysis overall to figure things out. Also, there's that bit about the cave by the shore... more in a later post. Truthfully, though, I think we'll end up learning a lot more about people once elections are underway.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 13:09 QuickStriker wrote:
Now, I also want to just to throw out another simple facts out there:
List of names who have absolutely nothing on profile (meaning no pics and sig) :
Xelin
RoyW
ItsPaul
dozko
laaan
Rainbow
Jadefist
7Strife
no_re
Gaizka
Man.Magic
johnnyspazz
That is 12 people total out of 34 people. That's quite a bit of nothing on profile compared to the other game that has 6...
*edit* Now mind you that if according to the rules of this game, it is sorta illegal to switch and edit your profile the moment this game started.... so I have complied this just to imply that if any one of the 12 changes their profile, they will and can be automatically marked suspicious....
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 12:52 no_re wrote:Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry. My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote: A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me. Secondly the death of vx70GTOJudgexv: Show nested quote +It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor. The only name with a reference to flowers would be d3_crescentia, Crescentia being Show nested quote +Crescentia (Calabash tree, huingo, krabasi, or kalebas, not to be confused with the calabash vine) is a genus of six species of flowering plants in the family Bignoniaceae Also in d3_crescentia's profile the quote is "once, not long ago, there was a moon here", and the murders being committed at night, when the moon is up? Yea I think this connection is a little thin, but I'm thinking out loud here. p.s. am i doin it rite?
Obviously you should read all the posts as they occur, but if your lazy you can look at these spoilers...
and also
On January 21 2010 09:44 SagaZ wrote:
I like your campain Iaaan, very organised.
But i would like to hear who do you plan on linching on the first day if you're elected as a mayor.
As of right now, if I get elected I plan to lynch the least active person, unless there is a solid reason for lynching someone else.
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and thank god i got all those spoilers/quotes right since I can't edit them ;p
They aren't in order tho, and I might have missed a few points, but still, good to get them in one place i think o:
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On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out!
If he were a Mafia, he would want to get townies on his side, as not to get lynched. There is what, a 1/5 chance for any person to be Mafia? There are no ground to rule anyone out yet. Everyone should be aware of accusations of peoples roles and the meaning behind them, weather the poster has a good basis behind their judgment, or if they have another purpose for posting, to stir townies up and set them against each other, or any other reason.
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On January 21 2010 10:08 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! If he were a Mafia, he would want to get townies on his side, as not to get lynched. There is what, a 1/5 chance for any person to be Mafia? There are no ground to rule anyone out yet. Everyone should be aware of accusations of peoples roles and the meaning behind them, weather the poster has a good basis behind their judgment, or if they have another purpose for posting, to stir townies up and set them against each other, or any other reason.
Oh course I can be doing this for the good will and solely so I can win the game and not lose. I'm a sore loser and I really hate seeing the town moving in such insignificant manner where they cannot figure out some the simplest basic things around. And regardless of whether or not I'm mafia, I am doing this because the game must go on in a way victory cannot achieve so easily but not impossible as well. So that's that according to this part.
As I repeated myself again and again, be wary of the candidates of the election as I am certain at least one of them is mafia trying to be a mayor. Should such event happen, the game will be in automatic disadvantage for the townies and chance of victory becomes slim to none. But it is not impossible. However, as much as I like challenges, I also like easy big wins so once again, make sure you get everything of their info, intentions, and mindset of these candidates before you make your votes and choose them.
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Lastly, I strongly recommend all members of this town to take a look and carefully read through from page 4 (the start of the game) to now in order to fully grasp and understand the current situation. Look carefully at what some people say, how and what some people may be thinking, and etc.
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Ok so first things first, anyone that is blue make sure that you use your actions on the first night! It would be a real waste if our DT's weren't detecting anyone, and our medics weren't protecting anyone.
Secondly, as Ian has pointed out that there are a large number of mafia (1/5 people?) in this game, so there are likely mafia among the frequent posters and non-frequent, although losing a more active townie would be a bigger blow then losing someone who just lurks, and rarely checks the thread. (possible bigger reward for taking out active mafia?) So if I'm elected I'm not sure yet who I will lynch, but I'm going to go back and read through most of the posts again, and I may get a clue
Thirdly, I doubt that there are any clues in the starting message, in the previous game I read there didn't seem to be any, I would look for clues after the first mafia kill tonight, and what people are posting.
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Question for BC, when will you modkill people for inactivity?
The other game had a lil discussion about instantly lynching the mayor once they are elected. I don't think its the most fun thing to do, and it would suck for the mayor, and if they have a special role like DT, having them protected would be worth a lot. It would take the risk of putting the Mafia in a position of power however, but I think it would be better to wait until we see how the mayor acts.
I just thought I would throw that out there for discussion, cause it was interesting to read about in the other thread.
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On January 20 2010 12:32 QuickStriker wrote:
My only concern here is that a mafia sneaking in to be a mayor/sheriff which can allow a bit of chaos and the game may destroy us from the inside out...
Let's look at some basic simple statistics here though. We have 34 players, 27 of which are townies where the other 7 are mafias... so by using simple basic math, we get:
Mafias - 20.6%
Other (Non-mafias) - 79.4%
These 2 positions (mayor and sheriff) comes up to about 6% of our population. As 20.6% may seem small or a lot to some people, I believe we really need to be cautious here to make sure that within 20.6%, they won't spread and expand their territory to be of the powerful 6% which makes up mayor/sheriff......
Yes, it's over 1/5 which is 20% for mafias which isn't good. But we are still 80% townie strong so it's safe for now.
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I'm pretty sure if you aren't voting like twice (like 2 different votes/days), you're automatically mod-killed or something.... I read that somewhere before... I think it was under the rules... But in any case, the people must vote and elect the mayor soon. But before that, the candidates must make their claim as well of their intentions.
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@ Fulgrim, I'm pretty sure that there are clues in the first post.
But I do agree that there will be Mafia in both the frequent and non frequent posters, if someone is excited to play this game, they would probably be active whatever role they get. If someone signs up, then just forgets about it, or like doesn't come on TL for whatever reason, then they would be inactive regardless of their role.
But again, with no real reliable indications to peoples roles so far, I think its better to lynch someone who is inactive rather than someone who is active, just because they are more fun, thus why I plan to do that if I get the position of mayor.
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In my eyes, no matter who becomes Mayor (Sheriff in this case...), in whatever Mafia game, the Mayor should always go with what the majority of the town consensus, or else things usually get sticky really fast as seen in the past. (Not just voting, but using the role's powers as well)
There are only a few circumstances when a Mayor wouldn't do what the town desires
- Mayor is Mafia
- Mayor think he is better than everyone else
- The majority of active townies speaking up are Mafia, thus deceived.
- Inner Circles
So as long as our green Townies are sane and active and our Mayor isn't a douche or red, this would be a step in the right direction.
In short, I want a lap dog
I'm not an active speaker, let me be...
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I also think it's likely that were are clues in the first post though they are definitely not super obvious. I also think it's a good idea to have the DTs role-check sooner rather than later in case they get killed.
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On January 21 2010 10:26 Fulgrim wrote:
Ok so first things first, anyone that is blue make sure that you use your actions on the first night! It would be a real waste if our DT's weren't detecting anyone, and our medics weren't protecting anyone.
Secondly, as Ian has pointed out that there are a large number of mafia (1/5 people?) in this game, so there are likely mafia among the frequent posters and non-frequent, although losing a more active townie would be a bigger blow then losing someone who just lurks, and rarely checks the thread. (possible bigger reward for taking out active mafia?) So if I'm elected I'm not sure yet who I will lynch, but I'm going to go back and read through most of the posts again, and I may get a clue
Thirdly, I doubt that there are any clues in the starting message, in the previous game I read there didn't seem to be any, I would look for clues after the first mafia kill tonight, and what people are posting.
Yes, because the vocal mafia members are the ones that screw things up like you wouldn't believe.
As for my own candidacy, I promised from the beginning moderation and objectivity. Who would I execute immediately? I don't know.
As for who you should vote for; consider that while the chance of any candidate being mafia is essentially even, it would be unwise to elect anyone to whom a (possible) clue may point to. There is a chance that no-re's page 4 analysis is incorrect, but there is also the possibility that elements of it are correct. As such, it would be an idiotic move to elect someone with even a hint of suspicion. That means that dj_crescentia, and Quickstriker are probably the least safe choices, if only by a small amount.
My vote was for Fulgrim because I wondered if a first-time player would so quickly grasp the concept of this election, and the importance of mafia infiltration. But of course, I'd like people to vote for me too.
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Like I said, NOT role-check this early on. The DTs only have 2 of them, we can't waste the role checks like that from day 1. What we need for DT to do is to use "clue check" instead since they have UNLIMITED uses of that.....
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Regarding the votes for the election, there are currently only 6 out of 34 votes casted with one being abstain.... we have about 24 hours left for these votes so I do recommend the townies to look at the individual candidates, think them over, and decide soon. Of course, I know the mafias will cast their votes as well so be wary of that. As well as a possibility of a mafia mayor/sheriff within the candidates..
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Ok this is kind of sad, I read the last few pages that I missed and it seemed like the same 4 people were posting for like the whole day.... Where is everyone else? (this could cause major problems, imagine if half of our game was modkilled...) Quick, d3 and tree, you guys have all been posting a ton, and I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for, have you guys all played before?
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On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out!
okay, this is quite an interesting post actually.
QS make this post about why should detective stay hidden, it's well explained but it's all comon sense and the conclusions are what anyone should see with a minimal thought process. detective and medics stay hidden to the mafia blablabla.
Everything is nice and helps newer player in the case they haven't seen it.
Now comes shockeey's post, basically saying how great QS is for saying what should be common sense. That makes me think about three case senarios.
1) QS and shockeey are mafia, they set up behind the scene the act. This goes well with QS's post activity to make people trust him, the intent of this tutorial would then be to try to earn some trust of newer players. Shockeey's post would only be to reinforce this and creat a bandwagon.
2) Shockeey is mafia, QS isn't. Shockeey, seing how QS posts alot wants to try to get in his good side and possibly misslead him. if someone says good things about you, it's harder to say bad things about them.
3) Neither are mafia, Shockeey just didn't saw how blue roles in general should play on his own and is impressed at how a mafia game works.
These maybe are very far away from truth of course.
About the first lynch, right now, killing the most inactive seems the safest choice, but maybe we could play around with the idea of killing shockeey.
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I just took a look at the other mafia game and their last post seems reasonable. I'm pretty sure it can happen here and can be the same case so I'll just quote it away:
On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote:
Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.
So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster.
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My candidacy for Mayor.
I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act.
I feel i am a decisive person who can evaluate people well and will do everything in my power to lead the town to what I hope to be a penetrating victory.
On a somewhat different tangent:
There has been, by some players, a great emphasis on the DT and what he "ought" to do, without giving myself away entirely I will simply say this, I am NOT the DT and i would advise whoever it is to disregard alot of the "advice" that has been given as to what he ought to do at this stage, quite frankly almost every reference to the DT from some posters so far seems like an attempt to identify and kill him off early and the "advice" given in reference to him is questionable at best.
Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational.
I urge people to vote me in, I think i am likely to be a target for a mafia given the nature of my posts and openess of my suspicions and so on that basis only i would enjoy the protection. I also feel strongly that some conclusions I have made so far are both logical and valid and as such am compelled to be able to act on them and being elected would make this possible.
I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve!
Oh as I mentioned skype if anyone is feeling psychological and thinks they would be able to vet me better by talking to me about mafia I would welcome the opportunity to voice chat about it, also i live in a cave and have no friends so it would be good to grab some 
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On January 21 2010 10:48 QuickStriker wrote:I just took a look at the other mafia game and their last post seems reasonable. I'm pretty sure it can happen here and can be the same case so I'll just quote it away: Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote:
Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.
So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster.
If we take this last post as true, and the mafia is well organized, then we can assume that the mafia candidate is probably not xelin or man.magic, seeing as they have 0 votes and haven't seemed to post alot.
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On January 21 2010 10:46 Fulgrim wrote:
Ok this is kind of sad, I read the last few pages that I missed and it seemed like the same 4 people were posting for like the whole day.... Where is everyone else? (this could cause major problems, imagine if half of our game was modkilled...) Quick, d3 and tree, you guys have all been posting a ton, and I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for, have you guys all played before?
I've played this game plenty of times before, both in real-life and also in TL mafia in the past. So I have some knowledge and experience of it. My reasoning is at least the very basic level. So that's my story. Don't know about the other guys.
On January 21 2010 10:48 SagaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! okay, this is quite an interesting post actually. QS make this post about why should detective stay hidden, it's well explained but it's all comon sense and the conclusions are what anyone should see with a minimal thought process. detective and medics stay hidden to the mafia blablabla. Everything is nice and helps newer player in the case they haven't seen it. Now comes shockeey's post, basically saying how great QS is for saying what should be common sense. That makes me think about three case senarios. 1) QS and shockeey are mafia, they set up behind the scene the act. This goes well with QS's post activity to make people trust him, the intent of this tutorial would then be to try to earn some trust of newer players. Shockeey's post would only be to reinforce this and creat a bandwagon. 2) Shockeey is mafia, QS isn't. Shockeey, seing how QS posts alot wants to try to get in his good side and possibly misslead him. if someone says good things about you, it's harder to say bad things about them. 3) Neither are mafia, Shockeey just didn't saw how blue roles in general should play on his own and is impressed at how a mafia game works. These maybe are very far away from truth of course. About the first lynch, right now, killing the most inactive seems the safest choice, but maybe we could play around with the idea of killing shockeey.
Excellent deduction. I was worried no one would catch on to this as I personally felt strange that shockeey just appear out of nowhere and voted for me and praising me. Of course, none of you have to believe what I say but I'm just saying in my own mindset of how I saw this situation. I definitely considered case 2 and 3 of what you said as it's possible that a mafia can pop out and make such remarks of trying to get on my side. But I was aware of this. #3 is also possible and perhaps it can be greater that maybe in secret, he might be something more than a townie. Now, I also considered #1 as I viewed myself from the outsider form and that is very likely possible too. But these 3 cases are possible, though I would add a fourth case would is also unlikely but possible:
4. Shockeey and/or QS is a blue role (ie. DT) and perhaps trying to get some feedback and strength within the town. Most likely the fact that Shockeey is new to the mafia and the roles thing, and I was able to give him some basic info that is important to know in which he is impressed of my remarks of how he should lead his role (whatever it may be).
Of course I'm not too sure about this but you are right, it was a bit suspicious of that sudden incident to happen. So thanks for catching on and sharing this to everyone.
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Scratch xelin off the, hasn't posted alot yet, he just posted that wall of text
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On January 21 2010 10:48 SagaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! okay, this is quite an interesting post actually. QS make this post about why should detective stay hidden, it's well explained but it's all comon sense and the conclusions are what anyone should see with a minimal thought process. detective and medics stay hidden to the mafia blablabla. Everything is nice and helps newer player in the case they haven't seen it. Now comes shockeey's post, basically saying how great QS is for saying what should be common sense. That makes me think about three case senarios. 1) QS and shockeey are mafia, they set up behind the scene the act. This goes well with QS's post activity to make people trust him, the intent of this tutorial would then be to try to earn some trust of newer players. Shockeey's post would only be to reinforce this and creat a bandwagon. 2) Shockeey is mafia, QS isn't. Shockeey, seing how QS posts alot wants to try to get in his good side and possibly misslead him. if someone says good things about you, it's harder to say bad things about them. 3) Neither are mafia, Shockeey just didn't saw how blue roles in general should play on his own and is impressed at how a mafia game works. These maybe are very far away from truth of course. About the first lynch, right now, killing the most inactive seems the safest choice, but maybe we could play around with the idea of killing shockeey.
You're overthinking yourself.
And by that, I don't mean that what you say is all wrong. For all I know, the most elaborate option;
#1 could be totally correct.
But what I mean is that this conjecture doesn't really help anyone. Because you've essentially presented three (of four) options and said that they're all equally likely. But option #4 is just as likely;
#4- QS is mafia, pretending to be a helpful guy, and shockeey is just deceived.
So your post doesn't really help us, because it serves to read something into a post that didn't need to be read into.
Just to head off any criticism, I broke down a post in a vacuum earlier (Page 8) but I tried not to steer away from conclusions. I wasn't analyzing the writing to make a judgment one way or another, I was simply trying to point out arguments that should not sway you.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:46 Fulgrim wrote:
Ok this is kind of sad, I read the last few pages that I missed and it seemed like the same 4 people were posting for like the whole day.... Where is everyone else? (this could cause major problems, imagine if half of our game was modkilled...) Quick, d3 and tree, you guys have all been posting a ton, and I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for, have you guys all played before? Summer camp!
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As to the post above, I personally believe that the Mafia will not have planned to simply put one person forward, It would be extremely risky, and an exceptional gamble to do so. I am leaning more towards a "swamp" strategy wereby the mafia would but 3 or possibly more candidtaes forward in the hope that either way they get someone elected.
Unless you can provide a better argument as to why the Mafia would only put one person forward for election I am inclined to think they are far more likely to put many people forward to be elected.
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Blah, I forgot to consider that option as well. Where I could be mafia and I am deceiving shockeey.... haha.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 21 2010 10:55 Fulgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:48 QuickStriker wrote:I just took a look at the other mafia game and their last post seems reasonable. I'm pretty sure it can happen here and can be the same case so I'll just quote it away: On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote:
Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.
So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster. If we take this last post as true, and the mafia is well organized, then we can assume that the mafia candidate is probably not xelin or man.magic, seeing as they have 0 votes and haven't seemed to post alot.
Ridiculous, what if every single mafia member ran for election, and they all agreed to throw support behind the mafia that had managed to get the most votes. If every mafia member ran for election, than surely the chance of a mafia getting elected would be higher, no?
Again, it's pointless to posit these 'what if?!' ideas because they're usually wrong, and when they're right, they're still useless, because nobody has any way of really knowing that anyway.
Stick to facts and not 'Well if I were mafia, I'd put poison in the wine glass closest to me because you'd suspect something and switch the glasses...." kind of deductions.
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lol when i was typing the last post i made, Fulgrims post where he quoted quickstriker was the last one.
Kinda funny that we have so much inactivity and then suddenly an avalanche of posts xD
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sorry i havent been active much, first time playing and i dont really know how to respond heh
just so clear things up, DT stands for detective right?
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On January 21 2010 10:59 XeliN wrote:
As to the post above, I personally believe that the Mafia will not have planned to simply put one person forward, It would be extremely risky, and an exceptional gamble to do so. I am leaning more towards a "swamp" strategy wereby the mafia would but 3 or possibly more candidtaes forward in the hope that either way they get someone elected.
Unless you can provide a better argument as to why the Mafia would only put one person forward for election I am inclined to think they are far more likely to put many people forward to be elected.
I do like to question your methods and reasons toward either voting/lynching me or that other guy off. In such an early stage of the game to now, you have admitted that I am possible to be mafia. The clues given by "no_re" is possible yet cannot be found 100% accurate. So my question is this, what will you do or rather, what will do you think will happen if you voted me (or the other guy) off, and I ended up not as mafia??
I will give my suggestion and answer to regards of this question after I hear yours.
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On January 21 2010 11:02 johnnyspazz wrote:
sorry i havent been active much, first time playing and i dont really know how to respond heh
just so clear things up, DT stands for detective right?
Yes
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Yeah it does Johnny, at least i took it to mean that from earlier posts and so decided to steal it I quite like reading "DT" alot as they have served me quite well in PvT's for ages ^^
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That is an interesting question Quickstriker, The reasons i consider you suspicious are mainly due to the nature of your posting, although i certianly think the "Quick attack" potential clue that no_re highlighted oh so long ago is both plausible and telling.
In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation.
It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment.
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Ah of course, I didn't listed your option number 4 cause it's the basic option after each post.
Each post could be written by a mafia member to try to deceive others, it's like, the basic of a mafia post.
I understand that I am over analising, but since it's the begining of the gale and we have no clues, I think I should say what i was thinking about this post in particular; wich was, in my opinion, very particular. I have just never saw a post in this thread so full of blind thrust.
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Dark Templar = Detective imo
So our current situation (thanks to Quickstriker for the list)
Fulgrim - 2
d3_crescentia - 1
QuickStriker - 1
tree.hugger - 1
Xelin - 0
Man.magic - 0
Abstain votes: 1
Total Votes so far: 6
6 candidates, but only 6 votes so far. I think that we can assume great changes in the list as more people start reading the thread + when the mafia decide who to vote for. We need 28 more votes in 24 more hours. I think the only way to mitigate some of the damage caused by a mafia member getting elected is to pick people who will be open with the townsfolk about what and why they are doing things. (also being a puppet of the town would be nice) Although a mafia member could promise this and then do something completely different when getting elected, so I guess there is nothing we can do to ensure a 100% mafia free gov.
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On January 21 2010 11:14 Iaaan wrote:
you forgot me to ):
UPDATED LIST WITH MORE IAAAN
Fulgrim - 2
d3_crescentia - 1
QuickStriker - 1
tree.hugger - 1
Xelin - 0
Man.magic - 0
Iaaan - 0
Abstain votes: 1
Total Votes so far: 6
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On January 21 2010 11:10 XeliN wrote:
That is an interesting question Quickstriker, The reasons i consider you suspicious are mainly due to the nature of your posting, although i certianly think the "Quick attack" potential clue that no_re highlighted oh so long ago is both plausible and telling.
In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation.
It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment.
Alright, thanks your answer. Now allow me to share some input on some of the possibility of the aftermath if your hypothesis tend to be false. (Also, this is in no way to be offensive, however as my personality and character calls for it, I feel the need to self-assert myself with possibilities and reasons of my own. I did not do this in the past which caused the errors of my ways.)
Now my answer is, should the case where you happen to lynch the wrong person and get someone who is a non-mafia, a simple townie or worse, an important character among the townie, a high possibility can happen. People will start to doubt you, the townies will question your methods, there will be a share chance that you might be next to be lynched/voted out. Now, if you are the mafia and this was intentional (since mafia knows who other maifas are and this can be a grand scheme), it is a very unwise decision to pull in such a way. Because you got it wrong, and even with fellow mafias around you, the chances of survival can be lower than before the incident.
Now, if you aren't the mafia and you have voted incorrectly, there is still the greater cause of trouble, far more so than being the mafia itself. Not only the innocent regular townies will doubt you, but the maifas will support the townies, blend in, and support from mafia will come to go against you. A common cause will happen, the mafia using this confusion, taking to this advantage and try to get rid of you using the day vote power rather than their regular killing power at night, because it's easier to kill during day due to having to kill bodyguards first than mayor for nighttime. That is my simplified answer.
Finally, I like to note this to everyone, especially mafias out there of what I have just done. By stating exactly of the possibility of these events even when I'm voted out, the chances of this happening is still possible. However, hopefully by announcing the actual possible scheme to come, I have lower or reduced the chances of this happening at least by a tiny bit because I already laid out the whole possible plan ahead of the mafia. Which means the mafia have to find another method or smarten themselves up in order to get rid of the mayor. Have that for food for thought mafia!
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^so yeah, watch out for Mafia members ganging up on another Mafia member in order to throw suspicion off themselves o:
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And just as a side note, if any of you haven't seen Day[9] Daily #50, you should go watch it ;p
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 11:22 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 11:10 XeliN wrote:
That is an interesting question Quickstriker, The reasons i consider you suspicious are mainly due to the nature of your posting, although i certianly think the "Quick attack" potential clue that no_re highlighted oh so long ago is both plausible and telling.
In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation.
It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment. Alright, thanks your answer. Now allow me to share some input on some of the possibility of the aftermath if your hypothesis tend to be false. (Also, this is in no way to be offensive, however as my personality and character calls for it, I feel the need to self-assert myself with possibilities and reasons of my own. I did not do this in the past which caused the errors of my ways.) Now my answer is, should the case where you happen to lynch the wrong person and get someone who is a non-mafia, a simple townie or worse, an important character among the townie, a high possibility can happen. People will start to doubt you, the townies will question your methods, there will be a share chance that you might be next to be lynched/voted out. Now, if you are the mafia and this was intentional (since mafia knows who other maifas are and this can be a grand scheme), it is a very unwise decision to pull in such a way. Because you got it wrong, and even with fellow mafias around you, the chances of survival can be lower than before the incident. Now, if you aren't the mafia and you have voted incorrectly, there is still the greater cause of trouble, far more so than being the mafia itself. Not only the innocent regular townies will doubt you, but the maifas will support the townies, blend in, and support from mafia will come to go against you. A common cause will happen, the mafia using this confusion, taking to this advantage and try to get rid of you using the day vote power rather than their regular killing power at night, because it's easier to kill during day due to having to kill bodyguards first than mayor for nighttime. That is my simplified answer. Finally, I like to note this to everyone, especially mafias out there of what I have just done. By stating exactly of the possibility of these events even when I'm voted out, the chances of this happening is still possible. However, hopefully by announcing the actual possible scheme to come, I have lower or reduced the chances of this happening at least by a tiny bit because I already laid out the whole possible plan ahead of the mafia. Which means the mafia have to find another method or smarten themselves up in order to get rid of the mayor. Have that for food for thought mafia!
Omg this is the same as the previous posts, and its blowing my mind... EITHER
A. Quick is mafia
B. Xelin is mafia
C. Quick and Xelin are mafia
D. Quick and Xelin are not mafia
E. Iaaan is mafia for suggesting everyone watch day9 50
I think we need some new discussion so we can stop fighting among ourselves (or fighting with mafia...) I have a question, when a DT rolechecks someone do they get to see their EXACT ROLE, eg. medic, or just there color eg. blue.
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I think that friggen IplayThings is the Godfather. I mean just look at him, laughing at all our discussion while he lays low.
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Nice to get some more activity in our provincial town 
I will be abstaining from voting for now but will do so when i wake up tomorrow, I now have a better idea of who to go for.
However, despite all the possible clues so far we have discussed I must say I have a gut feeling that XeliN might in fact be the red scum going for mayor/sheriff :
1) On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:
Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles.
You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now.
2) If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far.
3) His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e.
[QUOTE]On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
My candidacy for Mayor.
I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act.
Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very small chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2).
4) He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live.
5) [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve!
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This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely reason is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim.
6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues.
7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals.
I do not think so many repetitions and emphasis placement on one concept is random. He seems to spend too much time on strategies to further his own aims rather than the towns'.
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On January 20 2010 20:51 RoyW wrote:
Based on his contribution so far, I'm going to second XeliN in his bid for nomination. It's important that we have someone active in the thread as mayor or sherrif, and also good to have someone providing reasoning behind thier decisions, whether they be good or bad.
This also seems suspicious to me because RoyW is already supporting Xelin even though Xelin only posted like four times before this RoyW made this comment.
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Now I do not have yet to hear his counter response to what I have last posted before dinner. Now that I was able to finish and wrap up dinner, I will continue my conversation. The posters above me are making another good point toward Xelin. By all means I am not stating Xelin is mafia because I just don't know yet. However, the two people above me have pointed out far better clues than I was trying to prove by hearing his response previously. So I'm not going to repeat what others say but I do agree with above posters that it is a little suspicious.
Lastly, for everyone's reference, I have updated the voting list as of yet:
On January 21 2010 12:01 QuickStriker wrote:
Updated list of candidates and votes:
Fulgrim - 2
d3_crescentia - 1
laaan - 1
QuickStriker - 1
tree.hugger - 1
Man.magic - 0
Xelin - 0
Abstain votes: 4 (I also abstain my vote until tomorrow to make my final decision)
Total Votes so far: 10
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Your going to kick yourselves when it turns out im Green
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and i bring up i was//am drinking because, I AM! its not a tool to make people not read into my posts quite frankly i hope people do as i think they in themselves show me to not be mafia and instead trying to be involved and instrumental in this game.
However if i do die and Im gonna put it out there i think i might, have a glance towards the people accusing me and take that into consideration townies.
also the skype offer was genuine if you think i am lying then come online and chat to me lol, im pretty sure that would get accross my innocence of being red far better.
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Not at all Xelin, because I don't have 100% proof or belief or even thought that you are a mafia. It is a possibility that you are, just like everyone else here. Besides, I do support the theory of kicking off a random inactive member (with reasons though) rather than someone who is active to hope to get some inactive mafia by taking a risk. But if opportunity is given for us to vote, I will stand by my previous initial recommendation of waiting at least one day of voting to get further clues since we don't exactly know who the mafia is and we need more clues to lead them to what it is..... mafia.
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On January 21 2010 12:30 XeliN wrote:
and i bring up i was//am drinking because, I AM! its not a tool to make people not read into my posts quite frankly i hope people do as i think they in themselves show me to not be mafia and instead trying to be involved and instrumental in this game.
However if i do die and Im gonna put it out there i think i might, have a glance towards the people accusing me and take that into consideration townies.
also the skype offer was genuine if you think i am lying then come online and chat to me lol, im pretty sure that would get accross my innocence of being red far better.
Of course you are currently defending yourself explaining your posts after they had absolute unnecessary purpose into the thread in the first place. Now you have given them a purpose of their meanings AFTER people have started to doubt and question you. That is something I just like to note, it's fairly basic but I just like to note that to everyone.
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WHAT? seriously what? "Of course you are currently defending yourself explaining your posts after they had absolute unnecessary purpose into the thread in the first place."
what do you even mean by this? seriously explain yourself more clearly. And furthermore if my posts had "absolute unneccesary purpose into the thread in the first place" how on earth does my post just above provide purpose for them?
You literally are making no sense to me.
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On January 21 2010 12:35 XeliN wrote:
WHAT? seriously what? "Of course you are currently defending yourself explaining your posts after they had absolute unnecessary purpose into the thread in the first place."
what do you even mean by this? seriously explain yourself more clearly. And furthermore if my posts had "absolute unneccesary purpose into the thread in the first place" how on earth does my post just above provide purpose for them?
You literally are making no sense to me.
Simple. How and in what way is drinking contribute to this discussion? What about playing a game with a friend on skype? You can have easily just leave without saying and it would produce the same result. I admit, I am harshly attacking you right now but I am doing it for the sole purpose to figure out how exactly you would respond to my comments as well as to see where your intention/mindset lies based on the post given in the previous.
These posts were obviously tossed on the side and they may have not meant anything. I wouldn't probably have said anything about it either had no one mention and analyze your post on the last page. However, with regards to how it gains purpose now was based on your comment before this quote where you were trying to defend yourself in regards to why and how these comments are contribute to your posts. Hopefully I don't need to explain further.
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That word hall was used pretty extensively....
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I posted them as an aside, both to explain why the nature of my posts may be different than those before (im aware that alcohol has certain alerting effects) also just to add a little personality and character for any possible dating opportunities that may result from this game.
+ Show Spoiler + The above was a joke but being aware that Quick is likely to attempt to alter everything i post in an attempt to cast suspicion on me just thought it be clear! also Quicksilver is up to his neck in it in terms of being mafia and his consistent tones of "oh i'd going to make this accusation but just as a neutral person im not actually accusing" again reek, like his posts completely up to this point. as him being Mafia. I would like to reiterate that If elected i would swiftly and decisively kill him. Anyone who, from reading the posts in this thread, has come to a similar conclusion i either urge to put themselves forward as candidates or vote for me
only intended to put the first sentence in a spoiler i kinda got carried away, i feel like the kids at willy wonka's factory who just delve too far...
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Okay Xelin, what is your opinion on RoyW? I think either he's a new at this and doesn't spend time to read a decent amount of posts before he judges or he is a mafia member and your accomplice.
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I'm sorry but the only thing I just happen to notice was your intentional misspelling of my name. I really find that annoying wherever I am at TL when someone calls me quicksilver rather than my actual name. So like always, let me start my little anger rant I love to do elsewhere:
/startrant
I'M NOT A FREAKING CLOTHING COMPANY. GOD, QUICKSILVER ISN'T EVEN THAT GOOD OF A CLOTHING STORE. SERIOUSLY? WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF SOMEONE MIS-SPELL YOUR NAME??
/endrant
But like I said, I know you did it on purpose and I did that anger rant as a joke... or did it...? ^_^
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accidently pressed enter before finishing, Actually (again) it may be obvious to some that support for me or rather my logic and reasoning up to this point has been exceptionally sparse. Now i could just idiotic in my assertions and reasoning and just be dumb (a humbling possibility) or it could be that I actually am a townie and the people who may feel inclined to agree or support my reasoning have been less forthcoming that the mafia who are likely to support, develop and emphasise the claims of their partners no matter what they say.
To simplyfy, As of yet I seem to be fairly lonesome and this in itself i feel is telling and perhaps exonerating.
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This is fun
I posted just yesterday on page 3 I think, this grew fast and we are inactive?
I don't think QS is mafia, based on his opposition on the killing in the first days, in the way the game is designed I think it's supposed to be this way, have a little of randomness in the beginning. This helps mafia, it is easier to hit a townie than to hit a mafia because there are more townies. If QS is a townie he is looking to delay the development of mafia, if he is mafia he is looking to earn the trust of townies.
Iaaan's campaign looks nice, he talked about things I had not thought about, specifically the passing of information. Although it is basic gameplay. The DT must not expose themselves and the mayor is just hard to kill.
I want to ask to every candidate to put their first kill up to vote, up to this point I don't think there's enough info to make an educated decision, If the mayor is mafia we will loose a townie, if the mayor's not mafia we might.
To be honest I just want to start killing people. And in this light I announce my candidacy for mayor
I will put the first kill up to vote
I don't want to die.
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On January 21 2010 12:58 gaizka wrote:
I don't want to die.
Isn't posting this basically asking to die? :p
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My opinion on RoyW is that I have deicided to take a slight risk and trust him explicitly, He showed his support for me based on the nature of my posts and knowing, as i do, that i am not mafia, i decided to take a risk and consider him trustworthy as he had very little to gain from showing his trust in me were he to be mafia.
This is slightly meaningless in the sense that it is purely from my perspective under the hypothesis that I am not Mafia yet that is my position.
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I didn't finish somethings...
On January 21 2010 12:58 gaizka wrote:
I don't think QS is mafia, based on his opposition on the killing in the first days, in the way the game is designed I think it's supposed to be this way, have a little of randomness in the beginning. This helps mafia, it is easier to hit a townie than to hit a mafia because there are more townies. If QS is a townie he is looking to delay the development of mafia, if he is mafia he is looking to earn the trust of townies.
For now I choose the first
On January 21 2010 12:58 gaizka wrote:
To be honest I just want to start killing people. And in this light I announce my candidacy for mayor
I will put the first kill up to vote
I don't want to die.
If I am a candidate, can I vote for someone else?
If not I quit the race, If so, then it's on.
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On January 21 2010 13:01 johnnyspazz wrote:Isn't posting this basically asking to die? :p
I don't see how XD
Maybe I'm much of a newb.
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On January 21 2010 13:01 gaizka wrote:I didn't finish somethings... Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:58 gaizka wrote:
I don't think QS is mafia, based on his opposition on the killing in the first days, in the way the game is designed I think it's supposed to be this way, have a little of randomness in the beginning. This helps mafia, it is easier to hit a townie than to hit a mafia because there are more townies. If QS is a townie he is looking to delay the development of mafia, if he is mafia he is looking to earn the trust of townies.
For now I choose the first Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:58 gaizka wrote:
To be honest I just want to start killing people. And in this light I announce my candidacy for mayor
I will put the first kill up to vote
I don't want to die. If I am a candidate, can I vote for someone else? If not I quit the race, If so, then it's on.
Even if you are a candidate, you can vote, just not yourself. That was listed in the rules.
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If I'm elected, I will obviously take into consideration any posts in this thread, however I have not found conclusively that any of these people that have posted so far are mafia. (and I think it would hurt alot more to lose some of the more active townies) I think I would kill someone who has barely posted/contributed to discussion (someone who may be modkilled anyways, so chances are the first kill will be a townie 4/5 chance because of the ratio of townspeople to mafia, but we will have lost little in terms of active members)
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Shouldn't the inactive get mod killed before the game actually starts voting to kill people off?
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From the rules on the OP:
Modkills:
Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. It works as such: players are allowed to safely miss the lynch vote(s) (fail to either vote or abstain) for one day over the course of the game. If you fail to vote on a second day, I will use my discretion about modkilling you based on how active you have been and any excuses you might have. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Abstaining votes will be allowed, but don't do it just because you don't want to read the thread.
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I am going to have to change my vote them Fulgrim as i very much disagree with voting to kill the least active person. There are people who have posted in such a manner, myself arguably included, that it would be more beneficial to vote kill and I am inclinced to vote for someone who makes a clear arument as to who they would decide to kill and why.
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I'm sorry to disappoint you Xelin, but I don't think that it would be a good idea to kill one of the three most active people in the thread. There has been LITTLE TO NO conclusive evidence to convict anyone yet, I want to be more cautious instead of just chopping heads off as soon as I take office. Maybe after the first night, where we get some more clues to look over, PLUS when DT's get to make their rolechecks, then I will feel like we can start killing some people off. Also imagine taking office and killing QS for example, and finding that he is actually green? That's going to make it look like you are red, and you might be lynched yourself.
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I made a quick list for reference as to who has not yet posted anything since the start of Day 1.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sucks that nearly half the players are inactive at this point.
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That is a good updated list to make dozko. I like to retrack my own list that I compiled early on with those who have no sig/picture or anything on their profile prior to the game started:
On January 20 2010 13:09 QuickStriker wrote:
Now, I also want to just to throw out another simple facts out there:
List of names who have absolutely nothing on profile (meaning no pics and sig) :
Xelin
RoyW
ItsPaul
dozko
laaan
Rainbow
Jadefist
7Strife
no_re
Gaizka
Man.Magic
johnnyspazz
That is 12 people total out of 34 people. That's quite a bit of nothing on profile compared to the other game that has 6...
*edit* Now mind you that if according to the rules of this game, it is sorta illegal to switch and edit your profile the moment this game started.... so I have complied this just to imply that if any one of the 12 changes their profile, they will and can be automatically marked suspicious....
Now, just for the sake of picking and weeding out only those who have yet to make a single post AND someone who have a completely empty profile, we have the following:
Rainbow
Jadefist
7Strife
Man.Magic
Not sure if this helps anything at all, but its just some random facts I just like to point out... By all means am I saying they are mafia or not but they're just completely empty on profile and also on the game at this moment.
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Yo, I can get in.
Has the game started yet?
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On January 21 2010 13:33 Rainbow wrote:
Yo, I can get in.
Has the game started yet?
It started almost a day ago
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Too be fair, magic.man posted in the voting thread although it seems like his account was created for the sole purpose of playing mafia lol
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On January 21 2010 13:41 johnnyspazz wrote:
Too be fair, magic.man posted in the voting thread although it seems like his account was created for the sole purpose of playing mafia lol
Haha, I know, I noticed that. Though that's the voting thread and you don't just go up there in the vote thread saying "can I be mayor?" I only referred with regards to this thread where the actual game is taking place.
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On January 21 2010 13:24 dozko wrote:I made a quick list for reference as to who has not yet posted anything since the start of Day 1. + Show Spoiler +Sucks that nearly half the players are inactive at this point.
Lies, i have indeed posted. I'm lurking and watching people argue and try to make conclusive points with absolutely no basis. and QS's endless walls of text that shit is unreal
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Psst QuickStriker, we're still beating you guys!
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United States2186 Posts
You guys need to step up. The other game is roaring with activity!
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I don't know if we should lynch QuickStriker. If we do our total page count at the end of the game will probably only be like 16.
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While we're here (and while I'm back) we should keep in mind that a lot of these "hey has the game started" posts should be taken with a grain of salt as well, since we're actively discussing lynching inactives.
Re: cross-checking your list, dozko, I haven't since iloveKT post after the Day 1 post. The post I saw was from before then.
I don't think we've spent enough time on the clues or at least agreeing on whatever clues are being figured out.
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On January 21 2010 17:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
While we're here (and while I'm back) we should keep in mind that a lot of these "hey has the game started" posts should be taken with a grain of salt as well, since we're actively discussing lynching inactives.
Re: cross-checking your list, dozko, I haven't since iloveKT post after the Day 1 post. The post I saw was from before then.
I don't think we've spent enough time on the clues or at least agreeing on whatever clues are being figured out.
I completely agree with this
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I think instead of deciding to randomly lynch someone due to how active they are, instead, we should find some kind of evidence (from any clues we come up with) to make a precise, more accurate lynch.
At least that makes sense to me.
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On January 21 2010 18:03 VelkanKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 17:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
While we're here (and while I'm back) we should keep in mind that a lot of these "hey has the game started" posts should be taken with a grain of salt as well, since we're actively discussing lynching inactives.
Re: cross-checking your list, dozko, I haven't since iloveKT post after the Day 1 post. The post I saw was from before then.
I don't think we've spent enough time on the clues or at least agreeing on whatever clues are being figured out. I completely agree with this and I think instead of deciding to randomly lynch someone due to how active they are, instead, we should find some kind of evidence (from any clues we come up with) to make a precise, more accurate lynch. At least that makes sense to me.
dont be silly. lynch all active members, they are obviously scum leading people away from the mafia!
oh and lynch the inactive ones too, they are scum lying low
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I agree on that we might not have enough evidence to start killing any spesific guy.
But then again since the major has to lynch someone aint it better to lynch someone who is suspicious. The only bad thing that can happen with the lynch is that we kill a blue person. If we kill a red person its great, if we kill a green person its more or less expected that we do.
im for taking a risk and lynch a suspicious person as i think there is more to gain than to lose.
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I wish I could post more but I didn't know how intricate this game would be with the little time in my schedule ^^ Looks like a lot of great fun I'll have to catch up with.
The first lynch is always the trickiest.
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On January 21 2010 18:46 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 18:03 VelkanKnight wrote:On January 21 2010 17:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
While we're here (and while I'm back) we should keep in mind that a lot of these "hey has the game started" posts should be taken with a grain of salt as well, since we're actively discussing lynching inactives.
Re: cross-checking your list, dozko, I haven't since iloveKT post after the Day 1 post. The post I saw was from before then.
I don't think we've spent enough time on the clues or at least agreeing on whatever clues are being figured out. I completely agree with this and I think instead of deciding to randomly lynch someone due to how active they are, instead, we should find some kind of evidence (from any clues we come up with) to make a precise, more accurate lynch. At least that makes sense to me. dont be silly. lynch all active members, they are obviously scum leading people away from the mafia! oh and lynch the inactive ones too, they are scum lying low
maybe we should lynch you instead
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Alright, I'm going to go through this again:
The Day 1 post was written in lines of rhyme and prose. A few pages ago I've formatted the original post to show prose and poetry; there are some minor edits here and there to make that more distinct.
One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event.
An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment.
The sheriff Ace however was on the case.
Journeying to the docks by the beach,
he answered the cries of a persons shriek.
What he found however, was a trail of blood.
Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide.
Rushing to the persons aid,
he turned the body and knew it was grave.
A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done,
L would fail to see the coming sun.
Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.***
His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun.
But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk.
He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door.
Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound.
As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office.
It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall.
Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery.
It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder.
The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square.
Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race.***
It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
The starred lines are lines that could potentially be rhyming lines. The italicized segments are things that I think could be clues, based on my own thoughts and contributions of others. My initial guess is that the prose sections are where the clues are located, and not where the lines rhyme.
For the first murder, I believe we have mostly water-related clues and the cave, which could point to Fishball and drinking. There is also the 'tenderly' adverb, which dozko suggested could be softer.
I believe the phrase "knew it was grave" could mean something, but since it's in a rhyme section it goes against my current theory. Still, a possibility there. The sentences with town/ground might be a botched rhyme, but I do feel that the "quick attack" should be checked out for the possibility that QuickStriker is indeed mafia.
Regarding Judge's death, we have the flower vase, which points to me. ~OpZ~ also mentioned the repeated use of the word "hall," which in and of itself could be a clue. I've also noticed the use of sound-related descriptors - crash, sound, rush of air; potential connection to iloveKT as his profile contains pictures of sound waves. What I'm particularly curious about what the object that sunk into Judge's shoulder was... that should be a clue in and of itself.
List of potential clues:
1. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide.
2. he turned the body and knew it was grave (maybe)
3. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.
4. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery
5. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder.
Does anyone have any criticisms? I'm open to suggestions. I realize that most of it is grasping for straws, but I think it's better that the DTs check *something* our first night rather than nothing.
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I wish more people were on when I'm on T_T
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Lynching on first day is hard...
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On January 21 2010 12:56 johnnyspazz wrote:
Okay Xelin, what is your opinion on RoyW? I think either he's a new at this and doesn't spend time to read a decent amount of posts before he judges or he is a mafia member and your accomplice.
I am new to the game, and this is my first time ever playing it. I voted for Xelin and still do, because it seems to my newbie eyes that he is obviously not Mafia. Maybe to the experienced eyes in this game, his activities are a comman Mafia-gambit, but I don't think so.
I'm unsure about QS, but ultimately I think it's just an instinctive reaction to his many posts and multiple edits, so I don't know.
I live in Ireland, and will mostly only be active 18.00 KST-03.30 KST. If someone could give me the PST equivalent, I will try and ensure that I am around for voting deadlines.
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On January 21 2010 21:42 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:56 johnnyspazz wrote:
Okay Xelin, what is your opinion on RoyW? I think either he's a new at this and doesn't spend time to read a decent amount of posts before he judges or he is a mafia member and your accomplice. I am new to the game, and this is my first time ever playing it. I voted for Xelin and still do, because it seems to my newbie eyes that he is obviously not Mafia. Maybe to the experienced eyes in this game, his activities are a comman Mafia-gambit, but I don't think so. I'm unsure about QS, but ultimately I think it's just an instinctive reaction to his many posts and multiple edits, so I don't know. I live in Ireland, and will mostly only be active 18.00 KST-03.30 KST. If someone could give me the PST equivalent, I will try and ensure that I am around for voting deadlines.
You should post that in the vote thread then. =)
18:00KST is 1AM PST, so you're in a bit of a jam if you want to get in a last-minute vote.
On that note... hey BC, can we get times in KST instead since TL auto-displays those?
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Dzoko's accusations against me, I have spoilered it as it is a wall of text, but I missed it or only responded to certain aspects yesterday and now I have woken up ought to respond to it
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On January 21 2010 11:53 dozko wrote:Nice to get some more activity in our provincial town I will be abstaining from voting for now but will do so when i wake up tomorrow, I now have a better idea of who to go for. However, despite all the possible clues so far we have discussed I must say I have a gut feeling that XeliN might in fact be the red scum going for mayor/sheriff : 1) [QUOTE] On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. [/QUOTE] You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. 2) If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. 3) His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. [QUOTE] On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:My candidacy for Mayor. I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act. Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very   SMall chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2). 4) He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. 5) [QUOTE] On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve! [/QUOTE] This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely   ReasoN is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim. 6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. 7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. I do not think so many repetitions and emphasis placement on one concept is random. He seems to spend too much time on strategies to further his own aims rather than the towns'.[/QUOTE]
Point 1) I cannot respond to as you make it as vague as possible both who is supposed to have accused me earlier and also what the nature of his accusation is. You state neither of these things. And secondly I have not made a claim to martyrdom, I have made a claim to Innoncence , please don't spin things in order to evoke a preffered reaction in the kind of way a politician might.
And as for "It seems weird you would bring this up now", I am not certain as to what you are specificially referring to (my post, a certain part of it, what?) but i do not see why stating that I put myself up for election is weird in any way. Either I am Mafia looking to enjoy all the benefits being a Mayor//Sherrif could bring or I am with the Town and have put myself forward in order to take out the Mafia. Either way it is not "weird"
Point 2) Immediately the first thing that stands out to me is that lack of anything specific or concrete, You claim what I am posting is obvious and things that everyone could realise and that I am trying to gain trust by posted them in this way. Give Examples How you can make this number of vague and ambiguous points up till now without at least trying to cite specific examples where i do what you are saying is beyond me. I will say no more on this point as the argument against me here is simply opinion and poorly sustantiated opinion at that. I will let others decide the value and nature of my posting and will be happy to respond if you actually acuse things that are specific and that I can respond to.
Point 3 Again you mention another accusation from another poster, please be more specific. Your main point here is that I am speaking in definite terms, TOO RIGHT! I have made my current intentions as to what I would do if I was Mayor quite clear, I aim to be decisive and whilst the arguments listed for waiting and erring from action have some merit I think they are comparatively wrong and it is in the Towns best interest to act swiftly and analyse peoples posts and their advice or intentions and as a result decide who to kill//incarcerate.
Oh and your last point as to why I was doing this was you said, "I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself". As this like much of your "accusations" although I am inclined to call them musings, is just opinion I cannot really comment on it as it is not an argument but simply say no I am not.
Point 4 You are wrong here, I simply claimed that I might be a possible target and would enjoy the protection that being one of the elected candidates would bring. Again you seem to have made an exaggeration in the same way you did in point 1 with "Martyr" in order to elicit some kind of negative response, I frown upon this. I would like to be open, active and hopefully clear and decisive throughout this game and am concious that doing so might bring attention towards me from the Mafia.
Point 5 I am not going to comment on this paragraph other than simply this. 1) I was drinking and playing HoN with a freind, it was just an offhand comment and not meant to be analysed with surgical percision but as you seem to have done so I will respond with, you are wrong. 2) The friend is Nytefish on teamliquid and im sure would corroborate, although he wasnt drinking himself.
Point 6 Your argument here is twofold, The first one is that I keep emphasising that everything is open for debate, CITE EXAMPLES, im not saying you are wrong but having to try to counter argue someone who might as well be saying nothing due to how general your arguments are is irritating. If i am stating that everything is open to debate with people who disagree with me (and from what i remember of my postings I haven't been overly doing this) actually, this again is a meaningless accusation, as far as I can tell I have been clear about my suspicions and it has in fact been others who are stressing "but it could be wrong, we ought to wait, I think you may be right but also be wrong" e.t.c and I have tryed to stay away from making these kinds of posts.
Point 7 I think you are reffering to my jokingly typing that I have no friends and asking anyone from Mafia if they want to chat on skype. I was slightly drunk and bored and quite simply would have enjoyed doing so, there is no more to it than that.
Well thats a fun way to start the day, Hopefully I have provided a valid defence of these unfortunately vague and opinionated accusations. I would suggest that many of them are not worth the paper they are not written on least of all the pc screens they are showing on for reasons given above, but I hope others analyse the arguments from both sides and post their thoughts.
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l10f has joined the game, and voted to abstain as of currently, but hasn't posted in this thread as of yet. Hi l10f!
XeliN, I don't understand your reasoning as to why I should be lynched. Could you elaborate a bit further?
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Also, dzoko says 'claim to mayordom' and not 'martyrdom'. I am curious as to what exactly he means by that.
On that note, I don't know what incarceration for a single night would do for either me or QS as the mafia KP would still remain at 3 after that. If you wanted to incarcerate us both and found only two deaths, we'd be able to know if either me or QS was mafia by checking the number of deaths (barring medic or vigilante intervention). This plan has the unfortunate drawback of using both incarcerations, unfortunately. Of course, if you become Mayor you can simply choose to lynch one of us and be done with it.
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Crescentia I owe you somewhat of an apology, I jumped to conclusions about you based on very little. My reasoning was quite flawed in all honesty. I thought you might be Mafia based upon my still firm belief that QuickStriker is. You made a post saying that you do not believe QuickStriker to be mafia and didnt in my mind give clear reasons as to why and this made me very suspicious of you. Going over all of your posts now I realise the error of this reasoning. It made a snapish judgement on you based on what i deemed to be your subtle support of Quickstriker.
I take back that I think you should be lynched. None of what you have posted so far is enough to make that kind of judgement. I still strongly believe that Quickstriker ought to be the first person to be lynched and he would remain my choice.
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Oh he meant Mayordom.. doesn;t make much sense but I guess he means "put forward yourself as a candidate" or something similar then.
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I take it that the first deadline is voting tonigh, then do we have a 'night break' for 24 hours, before another 48 hours to vote lynch day 1? Or am I misunderstood?
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On January 21 2010 22:51 XeliN wrote:
Crescentia I owe you somewhat of an apology, I jumped to conclusions about you based on very little. My reasoning was quite flawed in all honesty. I thought you might be Mafia based upon my still firm belief that QuickStriker is. You made a post saying that you do not believe QuickStriker to be mafia and didnt in my mind give clear reasons as to why and this made me very suspicious of you. Going over all of your posts now I realise the error of this reasoning. It made a snapish judgement on you based on what i deemed to be your subtle support of Quickstriker.
I take back that I think you should be lynched. None of what you have posted so far is enough to make that kind of judgement. I still strongly believe that Quickstriker ought to be the first person to be lynched and he would remain my choice.
Thank you for response. While I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things I appreciate your efforts to be sincere and rational.
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On January 21 2010 23:07 RoyW wrote:
I take it that the first deadline is voting tonigh, then do we have a 'night break' for 24 hours, before another 48 hours to vote lynch day 1? Or am I misunderstood?
Mayoral vote occurs on Day 1 and ends at 9PM PST. Mayor decides who we lynch at the end of Day 1 (not entirely clear on how this works yet). We then move onto Night 1 for 24 hours where DTs/Medics and Mafia can put in their actions, though we can continue to debate/discuss and suggest potential actions to take.
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I can't access tl.net from work, but i skimmed the thread now. Will read more thoughly tonight, but based on first impression I'm leaning towards voting for Iaaan
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Ok, so I see some of you think I should be lynched. Well for one, I'm typing off my phone, so bare with me. Second, I voted for quikstriker, cause he seems like the right canidate for the mayor position out of everyone else here who is trying to be mayor. I rather choose some one who didn't impose themselves into trying to be mayor. Brings me to my reason as to why I would want xelin lynched.
Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way.
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you.
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Barg I hate typing from my phone cause sometimes I don't make sense.
I hope someone knows what I'm talking about.
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Xelin, I did not quote all of your posts since that post I made was getting enormous. I think people are not too lazy to go a few pages back and read what you have written, so I dont see how you use this as a basis against my argument?
In any case I have already put my reasoning up, because thats what I think. People are free to form their own opinion and seeing as how you ignored most of my points and misread the others I do not feel the need to return to that thread of argument.
On another more pressing note i put my vote in the other thread for d3_crescentia for mayor. I will now post my reasoning for doing so here.
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for.
I voted for d3_crescentia because 1) He has made good analysis of the narration and I do not believe that any mafia would go in such details like separating prose from poetry etc. 2) He has a very neutral style of posting, i.e. he does not jump on bandwagons too quickly, and is taking the input of other posters very seriously, even when It is not completely in tune with his own. These I feel are good attributes for a mayor to have and he is the only candidate to actually sort of back up the attributes he claimed he possessed in his campaign with his subsequent posts. 3) He is one of the most active posters, and this will be good for us if he can continue in such fashion when we have more information.
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On January 21 2010 23:37 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 23:07 RoyW wrote:
I take it that the first deadline is voting tonigh, then do we have a 'night break' for 24 hours, before another 48 hours to vote lynch day 1? Or am I misunderstood? Mayoral vote occurs on Day 1 and ends at 9PM PST. Mayor decides who we lynch at the end of Day 1 (not entirely clear on how this works yet). We then move onto Night 1 for 24 hours where DTs/Medics and Mafia can put in their actions, though we can continue to debate/discuss and suggest potential actions to take.
So are we allowed to write in this thread during night time? This is weird, in other games I have played people are not allowed to post during the night and get modkilled for it.
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On January 21 2010 12:26 XeliN wrote:
Your going to kick yourselves when it turns out im Green
You could also be blue, no?
tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for.
I was born in a hidden grove in the Scottish Highlands surrounded by chanting druids- what do you want from me?
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On January 22 2010 02:14 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 23:37 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 21 2010 23:07 RoyW wrote:
I take it that the first deadline is voting tonigh, then do we have a 'night break' for 24 hours, before another 48 hours to vote lynch day 1? Or am I misunderstood? Mayoral vote occurs on Day 1 and ends at 9PM PST. Mayor decides who we lynch at the end of Day 1 (not entirely clear on how this works yet). We then move onto Night 1 for 24 hours where DTs/Medics and Mafia can put in their actions, though we can continue to debate/discuss and suggest potential actions to take. So are we allowed to write in this thread during night time? This is weird, in other games I have played people are not allowed to post during the night and get modkilled for it.
you can post at any time provided you are alive.
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On January 22 2010 02:37 tree.hugger wrote:
I was born in a hidden grove in the Scottish Highlands surrounded by chanting druids- what do you want from me?
Is that why your name is tree.hugger? ;P
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Hello everyone, I have risen once again from my sleep to inform all that I will not be around like I was yesterday. This may or may not be the only post I will have for today in contrast to yesterday and day before as I have places to go, people to meet, and duty to call (school). But before I do leave, I noticed how more people have popped out over the last many hours I was not here, and I am pleased that people are stepping up to discuss things rather than me having to do like 50% of the posts like previous days. I think I was a bit paranoid with posting yesterday with having this "wall of text" as some may mention but that's just how I am when I am that dedicated and committed to a certain thing. Of course I can't for today, so I will leave the discussion a bit early today. But before I do, I will leave some remarks behind:
Now, the first thing I encourage everyone who just came in or for people to make their cases against whomever, I strongly encourage them to read and look over all the past history that happened in this thread from page 4 to the current page of 16. Since it has started in page 4, many things have go and come by. Half of them are discarded and forgotten, which saddens me. Sure you may not want to read like 10 pages or more of random blogging and waste, but there were clues left behind as well as hints among the people who have posted.
I would like to point things out once more but I am short on time today since I have several businesses to take care of, but hopefully I'll be back in time to oversee my own tourney that's happening later today in TL (NSL Qualifier Round) as well as this mafia game. But since I already left today's event to my co-host, I'm not necessary needed and I do prefer to take a breeze with friends outside, like going to bowling. But in any case, I already have stated many points, ideas, suggestions, comments, within the past 10 or so pages, and I don't really want to repeat myself again and again, so I'll leave the readings to you guys regarding my statements. Good day everyone and I hope the position of this game goes into a positive direction! ^_^
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And no, it's not a way to escape to talk about this game nor is it to pretend to go somewhere when I really don't have anywhere to go. Shit happens and for me, it's life and reality. So I can't be here in this mafia game all the time.
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I forgot to mention this as well but I want to make myself clear. I am NOT running for any of the positions. I'm not interested in either mayor or sheriff. I mean it would be nice but with first day of classes around the corner and with me having to be more active than I already am... please spare me and don't vote for me.... really, I don't need another set of chains bound to this game besides what I have already.....
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Tree.hugger i could be blue but i think that post made it clear I am claiming not to be. I am green.
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Ihateyou quickstriker. There goes my vote. Now I really don't know who to vote for -__-
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On January 22 2010 03:27 QuickStriker wrote:
On January 22 2010 03:29 QuickStriker wrote:
On January 22 2010 03:30 QuickStriker wrote:
...Why is it I only get banned for this...-_-
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It is ok to double/triple post
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in mafia threads, since editing is not allowed.
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lol let's all vote for quickstriker anyway just because he said not to. We will show him!
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-_-...
Quickstriker can't be trusted!
That is all...
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On January 22 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
-_-...
Quickstriker can't be trusted!
That is all...
You can't be either!
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On January 22 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
-_-...
Quickstriker can't be trusted!
That is all...
I'm curious as to what your thoughts are.
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On January 22 2010 05:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
-_-...
Quickstriker can't be trusted!
That is all... You can't be either!
And yours, for that matter. Baseless arbitrary fingerpointing without rational justification will DOOM our society.
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On January 22 2010 05:57 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 05:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 22 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
-_-...
Quickstriker can't be trusted!
That is all... You can't be either! And yours, for that matter. Baseless arbitrary fingerpointing without rational justification will DOOM our society.
Lol? How is it baseless. It's common sense to what XeliN is doing. It won't DOOM anybody. I'm going to laugh when you guys see that XeliN is a mafia.
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On January 22 2010 06:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 05:57 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 22 2010 05:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 22 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
-_-...
Quickstriker can't be trusted!
That is all... You can't be either! And yours, for that matter. Baseless arbitrary fingerpointing without rational justification will DOOM our society. Lol? How is it baseless. It's common sense to what XeliN is doing. It won't DOOM anybody. I'm going to laugh when you guys see that XeliN is a mafia.
I wish I knew the code to make text blink so I could better convey sarcasm.
But I wasn't talking about XeliN; I was asking about your post regarding ~OpZ~. While it's true we can't really trust anybody right now, and that ~OpZ~ hasn't really posted altogether too much, what are your thoughts on him?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
Xelin, I did not quote all of your posts since that post I made was getting enormous. I think people are not too lazy to go a few pages back and read what you have written, so I dont see how you use this as a basis against my argument?
In any case I have already put my reasoning up, because thats what I think. People are free to form their own opinion and seeing as how you ignored most of my points and misread the others I do not feel the need to return to that thread of argument.
On another more pressing note i put my vote in the other thread for d3_crescentia for mayor. I will now post my reasoning for doing so here.
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for.
I voted for d3_crescentia because 1) He has made good analysis of the narration and I do not believe that any mafia would go in such details like separating prose from poetry etc. 2) He has a very neutral style of posting, i.e. he does not jump on bandwagons too quickly, and is taking the input of other posters very seriously, even when It is not completely in tune with his own. These I feel are good attributes for a mayor to have and he is the only candidate to actually sort of back up the attributes he claimed he possessed in his campaign with his subsequent posts. 3) He is one of the most active posters, and this will be good for us if he can continue in such fashion when we have more information.
Dozko brings up a few good points about the candidates. I find your analysis of tree.hugger interesting because thats exactly how I see you, you came out of nowhere with several fat posts chalked full of analysis, which made me suspicious at first. Although it seems as though this is the style of some players (tree.hugger and others). I think that people are too caught up on Xelin's and Quickstrikers arguments as they could both be mafia trying to distract us and polarize the town, or neither could be mafia and just both paranoid. Either way I feel too much of the discussion has been focused on that.
Also I'm glad to see more people becoming active, which is great. However I am still going to follow through on my plan if you elect me and kill one of the least active people, so get posting. (No voting for me will not guarantee that you will not be lynched if you haven't posted anything at all yet)
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Voting has just over 7 hours left. Everyone Please vote by then.
Remember that activity is needed to make this a fun game, so everyone lurking should also be posting
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softer, I see you have cast your vote in the other thread. Do you mind explaining to the town how you made that decision?
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On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you.
On January 22 2010 06:54 decafchicken wrote:
I vote for fulgrim
VERY SUSPICIOUS.
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On January 22 2010 06:31 Fulgrim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
Xelin, I did not quote all of your posts since that post I made was getting enormous. I think people are not too lazy to go a few pages back and read what you have written, so I dont see how you use this as a basis against my argument?
In any case I have already put my reasoning up, because thats what I think. People are free to form their own opinion and seeing as how you ignored most of my points and misread the others I do not feel the need to return to that thread of argument.
On another more pressing note i put my vote in the other thread for d3_crescentia for mayor. I will now post my reasoning for doing so here.
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for.
I voted for d3_crescentia because 1) He has made good analysis of the narration and I do not believe that any mafia would go in such details like separating prose from poetry etc. 2) He has a very neutral style of posting, i.e. he does not jump on bandwagons too quickly, and is taking the input of other posters very seriously, even when It is not completely in tune with his own. These I feel are good attributes for a mayor to have and he is the only candidate to actually sort of back up the attributes he claimed he possessed in his campaign with his subsequent posts. 3) He is one of the most active posters, and this will be good for us if he can continue in such fashion when we have more information. Dozko brings up a few good points about the candidates. I find your analysis of tree.hugger interesting because thats exactly how I see you, you came out of nowhere with several fat posts chalked full of analysis, which made me suspicious at first. Although it seems as though this is the style of some players (tree.hugger and others). I think that people are too caught up on Xelin's and Quickstrikers arguments as they could both be mafia trying to distract us and polarize the town, or neither could be mafia and just both paranoid. Either way I feel too much of the discussion has been focused on that. Also I'm glad to see more people becoming active, which is great. However I am still going to follow through on my plan if you elect me and kill one of the least active people, so get posting. (No voting for me will not guarantee that you will not be lynched if you haven't posted anything at all yet)
It's just how I roll.
I have my suspicions like the rest of you, but I really don't have much to base anything on. I'm trying to get people to think the right way, before jumping headlong into analysis. The point is to think for yourself at all costs, and constantly check people's language for clues.
And of course, don't immediately tip people off that you suspect them of something or another. If you tell people you suspect they're mafia because they don't capitalize their "i's" then mafia or not, they'll start capitalizing their "i's".
I've always loved mafia because of the psychology of it all.
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On January 22 2010 07:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. VERY SUSPICIOUS.
While I don't exactly agree with the accusation along with this post, I agree we should be watching this election closely because the results will be very telling to weed out potential mafia. Especially towards the end if there is a mass shift in who everyone is voting for. The mafia have 7 votes, which they will probably use to get who they want in office.
I think that dozko forgot to mention in his list of candidates Iaaan, who has brought up some good points so far. (He is the person I'm considering voting for) I think that before people vote they should make sure they have read some of his posts. (and every candidates)
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On January 22 2010 07:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. VERY SUSPICIOUS.
OH FUCK DECAF VOTED FOR THE LEADING CANDIDATE LYNCH THE SCUM
But seriously, i was between tree hugger and fulgrim because they seem to have the most common sense and not overreacting about little shit but fulgrim is being more active so i went with him.
edit: and as people analyze who votes for who, we should also be watching at who is abstaining which is equally important.
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checking in. God, I was so not prepared for this ****ton of posts
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I think that the way to test if Xelin is Mafia is to lynch RoyW, and that Quickstriker is just excited/keen to play, so he mass posts, which makes him look suspicious. But that said, I personally will not rule anyone out as Mafia, or say that they definitely are Mafia at this stage, because really, there is not enough info to decide what someones role is.
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On January 22 2010 07:29 decafchicken wrote:
edit: and as people analyze who votes for who, we should also be watching at who is abstaining which is equally important.
Of course its a factor to consider, but what do you think abstaining says about someone?
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The best way to test. or most sure way to test if i am Mafia is to lynch me, theres no reason whatsoever to bring RoyW into it and can't see why you would.
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On January 20 2010 20:51 RoyW wrote:
Based on his contribution so far, I'm going to second XeliN in his bid for nomination. It's important that we have someone active in the thread as mayor or sherrif, and also good to have someone providing reasoning behind thier decisions, whether they be good or bad.
because of that post, pretty early on, and that's all he has really said. lol
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I don't really think thats the thing to do right now, but again, seeing who supports who is important.
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Skimming through the entire 15 pages of text so far. I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol.
Reading 15 pages of text now
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On January 22 2010 09:11 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 20:51 RoyW wrote:
Based on his contribution so far, I'm going to second XeliN in his bid for nomination. It's important that we have someone active in the thread as mayor or sherrif, and also good to have someone providing reasoning behind thier decisions, whether they be good or bad. because of that post, pretty early on, and that's all he has really said. lol
Just a small comment on this... seems like RoyW hasn't posted in the vote thread.
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oh lol, maybe hes just dumb then o.o
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As of now, we have the following who have not posted after the Day 1 post:
- Lunaticman
- IplayThings
- Nigol
I have not checked the other thread by Plexa to see if they have confirmed their access to the forum.
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Wow.... I was gone the whole day and I only see at most, one new page of posts in contrast to yesterday where it went like from page 10 to page 15.... rofl...
I'm back but I'm going to choose abstain since I really can't choose who I would lean towards.... I shall let fate (other townies but me) decide the mayor/sheriff....
Note: Mayor is #2 of the most vote and Sheriff is #1 of total vote. So remember that people.....
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Holy crap its close, when does voting end?
Current votes:
tree.hugger - 4
Fulgrim - 3
d3_crescentia - 3
Ian - 3
XeliN - 2
Abstain: 8
Total: 23
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On January 22 2010 10:01 d3_crescentia wrote:
As of now, we have the following who have not posted after the Day 1 post:
- Lunaticman
- IplayThings
- Nigol
I have not checked the other thread by Plexa to see if they have confirmed their access to the forum.
None of these have posted in the Mafia 16 thread and can be regarded as most inactive.
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The votes in about 3.5 hours..... as of the current vote stand and if the final total vote count is what is listed above, the following things will happen:
tree.hugger is #1 in vote counts so he's automatically the SHERIFF....
Fulgrim, d3_crescentia, and lan all have tied votes of a 3 way tie in between of the second position, the MAYOR.... so what might happen is a. a re-count votes, b. a whole new poll just for mayor, c. mayor-less town......
So that is our current situation. Just for heads up.
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On January 22 2010 12:27 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 10:01 d3_crescentia wrote:
As of now, we have the following who have not posted after the Day 1 post:
- Lunaticman
- IplayThings
- Nigol
I have not checked the other thread by Plexa to see if they have confirmed their access to the forum. None of these have posted in the Mafia 16 thread and can be regarded as most inactive.
Good insight.... now I'm curious if they are even in this game knowing the game started or if they are lurking, as well as their roles of this game.... I mean if they don't know the game started or they just aren't planning to play and they're a blue role (like DT), then the town is in big trouble. On the other hand if they were mafia..... but I doubt any of the 7 mafias can be inactive whatsoever at this moment since the mafias know who each other are and they probably already contacted each other using various methods...
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On January 22 2010 12:28 QuickStriker wrote:
The votes in about 3.5 hours..... as of the current vote stand and if the final total vote count is what is listed above, the following things will happen:
tree.hugger is #1 in vote counts so he's automatically the SHERIFF....
Fulgrim, d3_crescentia, and lan all have tied votes of a 3 way tie in between of the second position, the MAYOR.... so what might happen is a. a re-count votes, b. a whole new poll just for mayor, c. mayor-less town......
So that is our current situation. Just for heads up.
9PM PST is 12AM EST, which is in 1.5, not 3.5 hours...
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I meant 1.5... how did I type 3.5 hours.... time view fail... and I'm on the eastern time as well....
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The 8 active players who haven't voted yet should vote, as it is mandatory by the rules.
10. haster27
12. drinking
14. RoyW**
25. Rainbow
28. 7Strife
32. gaizka
33. Man.Magic
34. Johnnyspazz
**RoyW has expressed his support for Xelin, but hasn't done anything about it.
To those who have abstained, I gladly encourage your decision to do so if your belief is firm in that none of the candidates are trustworthy enough. To those who are still undecided, you still have about an hour before elections close. At the very least I'd like to see an end to voting so we can get on with the game.
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On January 22 2010 12:58 l10f wrote:Finally caught up with all the posts >_> took so long T____T I'm busy with a few things so I won't be super active (see: QuickStriker). I haven't played mafia that much, just like all of you. But I will give my current opinion. I don't think we should be pointing fingers just yet, with so little clue. Also, I came in too late to influence the sheriff vote in any way, but hopefully we won't get a red in the office Most of the analysis has been already done I see, and I hope everyone has a great time in this game
? See me about? The fact that I made you read all those posts about me or that I know why you're busy which is mostly due to CPL?? But I have my NSL running and still active on this as well! ^_^
Now, we have less than an hour to vote and we still haven't gotten all votes in. However, what's more important is who the mayor will be and who he will choose to lynch on first. The first lynch is a must and cannot be avoid, and it is also important to make sure we don't end up with a blue role dead...
On a side note though, the other mafia game is way ahead as their mayor/sheriff has been chosen and after pages and pages of picking each other out of who to vote out using mayor powers, pointing fingers at each other for mafia, it seems they got "t_co" whom most people thought as mafia and bam, a green. (It's on page 36 but the dramas regarding this is pages before and aftermath is after.)
What I'm afraid is a repeat or similarity result like the other town there. As of the current updated post, it seems tree.hugger is #2 at votes which means he can be mayor, but the problem lies on who the new elected mayor picks to die and what role it might be. Not to also mention Night 1 is coming for the mafias to randomly kill 3 of us.... so DTs/medics/ and all other blue roles, prepare to use your power at night time as well!
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On January 22 2010 13:05 d3_crescentia wrote:
To those who have abstained, I gladly encourage your decision to do so if your belief is firm in that none of the candidates are trustworthy enough. To those who are still undecided, you still have about an hour before elections close. At the very least I'd like to see an end to voting so we can get on with the game.
It's a terrible decision!
The mafia are sure to muster a vote, and the less townies vote, the greater share of the vote belongs to the people who are most dangerous, and yet most motivated to vote!
Abstaining is a surer way of electing mafia than voting for one yourself!
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Well, currently we cannot tell who exactly are the mafia. It is VERY possible that one of the current candidates is mafia and what keeps popping in my head is the last 5 minute count where it's possible the mafias just randomly come out and vote for their candidate (who is also mafia) all at once. Of course, this also exposes themselves very easily so they would not be careless to do so. (Not to mention my tactic used here again where I mentioned this possible scheme so in case they were planning it, by announcing it publicly, it'll lower their possibility of doing this. Though it is still possible...)
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Here's the other thing though, their vote ended at 9PM EST, so it's pretty obvious they would have their elected officials sooner.
30 minutes left.
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Ugh, hate to go to bed before the election is decided =/
Whoever is elected mayor, use your lynch wisely, and on the off-chance I am, I will use my lynch on Lunaticman, who has been inactive since we started, so we won't be losing much.
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On January 22 2010 13:29 d3_crescentia wrote:
Here's the other thing though, their vote ended at 9PM EST, so it's pretty obvious they would have their elected officials sooner.
30 minutes left.
That is also true. I can't help to think if this mafia game OP lives in PST and the other game in EST or perhaps it's just that theirs were more active so that they would end it faster... useless to think about so I'll just stop there.
Also, as I was just simply sight-seeing and being a tourist at the other mafia and their little town, one of their dear confused citizen asked such a question. I simply answered back regardless of my need there but I felt I should share it here to help understand better despite the fact it's in the rules:
On January 22 2010 13:23 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 13:20 789 wrote:
Wouldn't lynching 1 and incarcerating 1 (2 mafia) reduce their KP by 1? Unless I'm confused as to when the lynching occurs. Just to answer that question (I'm still sight-seeing your town as a tourist! ^_^), since there's 7 mafias and KP is (current mafia / 2) and rounded up with max of 3, 7 - 2 = 5/2 = 2.5 = 3 KP.... so you gotta have the mafia to be reduced to 4 to have it 2 kills rather than 3.
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On January 22 2010 13:13 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 12:58 l10f wrote:Finally caught up with all the posts >_> took so long T____T I'm busy with a few things so I won't be super active (see: QuickStriker). I haven't played mafia that much, just like all of you. But I will give my current opinion. I don't think we should be pointing fingers just yet, with so little clue. Also, I came in too late to influence the sheriff vote in any way, but hopefully we won't get a red in the office Most of the analysis has been already done I see, and I hope everyone has a great time in this game ? See me about? The fact that I made you read all those posts about me or that I know why you're busy which is mostly due to CPL?? But I have my NSL running and still active on this as well! ^_^ Now, we have less than an hour to vote and we still haven't gotten all votes in. However, what's more important is who the mayor will be and who he will choose to lynch on first. The first lynch is a must and cannot be avoid, and it is also important to make sure we don't end up with a blue role dead... On a side note though, the other mafia game is way ahead as their mayor/sheriff has been chosen and after pages and pages of picking each other out of who to vote out using mayor powers, pointing fingers at each other for mafia, it seems they got "t_co" whom most people thought as mafia and bam, a green. (It's on page 36 but the dramas regarding this is pages before and aftermath is after.) What I'm afraid is a repeat or similarity result like the other town there. As of the current updated post, it seems tree.hugger is #2 at votes which means he can be mayor, but the problem lies on who the new elected mayor picks to die and what role it might be. Not to also mention Night 1 is coming for the mafias to randomly kill 3 of us.... so DTs/medics/ and all other blue roles, prepare to use your power at night time as well!
I was referring to how active you are on this thread, and how I won't be as active as you are, you don't need to jump all over my post
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On January 22 2010 13:29 Fulgrim wrote:
Ugh, hate to go to bed before the election is decided =/
Whoever is elected mayor, use your lynch wisely, and on the off-chance I am, I will use my lynch on Lunaticman, who has been inactive since we started, so we won't be losing much.
It's only 24 minutes...
QuickStriker brings up another good point in that incarcerating 2 won't reduce KP to 2. Whichever one of us is sheriff will have to keep that in mind.
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On January 22 2010 13:38 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 13:13 QuickStriker wrote:On January 22 2010 12:58 l10f wrote:Finally caught up with all the posts >_> took so long T____T I'm busy with a few things so I won't be super active (see: QuickStriker). I haven't played mafia that much, just like all of you. But I will give my current opinion. I don't think we should be pointing fingers just yet, with so little clue. Also, I came in too late to influence the sheriff vote in any way, but hopefully we won't get a red in the office Most of the analysis has been already done I see, and I hope everyone has a great time in this game ? See me about? The fact that I made you read all those posts about me or that I know why you're busy which is mostly due to CPL?? But I have my NSL running and still active on this as well! ^_^ Now, we have less than an hour to vote and we still haven't gotten all votes in. However, what's more important is who the mayor will be and who he will choose to lynch on first. The first lynch is a must and cannot be avoid, and it is also important to make sure we don't end up with a blue role dead... On a side note though, the other mafia game is way ahead as their mayor/sheriff has been chosen and after pages and pages of picking each other out of who to vote out using mayor powers, pointing fingers at each other for mafia, it seems they got "t_co" whom most people thought as mafia and bam, a green. (It's on page 36 but the dramas regarding this is pages before and aftermath is after.) What I'm afraid is a repeat or similarity result like the other town there. As of the current updated post, it seems tree.hugger is #2 at votes which means he can be mayor, but the problem lies on who the new elected mayor picks to die and what role it might be. Not to also mention Night 1 is coming for the mafias to randomly kill 3 of us.... so DTs/medics/ and all other blue roles, prepare to use your power at night time as well! I was referring to how active you are on this thread, and how I won't be as active as you are, you don't need to jump all over my post
I just didn't understood your words so I was merely questioning to understand what you were trying to say. I wasn't intentionally trying to jump over my post even though I will admit I tend to go a bit overboard or carried away in my posts sometimes. But that's just my nature as shown in page 4 right after day 1 started. ^_^
But yea, now we officially have 15 minutes left with no changes in votes yet.... so will tree.hugger be our mayor and d3_crescentia be our sheriff?? Remember that those who are elected are immune from death by night kills unless the hidden bodyguard roles are taken out. So if they truly aren't mafia, we are definitely in a good position. If the mafia is one of the elected position, we are in a bit of a disadvantage, especially if mayor is mafia due to 3 voting powers in contrast to our individual 1 vote power...
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Four minutes left and Iaaan decides to change to Xelin for the lulz. -_-
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and isn't it lulzy? ;p
It probably looks a little suspicious, but I'll just say that my two goals are not to have a mafia be mayor, and possibly become mayor myself. Going to bed now, but I'll be interested to see how this turns out (:
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On January 22 2010 14:03 QuickStriker wrote:
This is troublesome indeed... now a 4 way tie for second place which holds one of the most important positions of all... the mafia.... It is highly likely one of these 4 candidates can be mafia....
So yea, now I'm curious what will happen...
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On January 22 2010 14:04 Iaaan wrote:
and isn't it lulzy? ;p
It probably looks a little suspicious, but I'll just say that my two goals are not to have a mafia be mayor, and possibly become mayor myself. Going to bed now, but I'll be interested to see how this turns out (:
Hmm..... I can't say I don't understand your intentions as I understand your desire to be mayor. However, what troubles me is the first part you said where not to have a mafia be mayor when tree.hugger was almost taken for the spot as mayor.... does that mean you considered him as mafia?
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I'm just looking at the other mafia game thread at the moment and I thought these suggestions laid out for medics and detectives could be something useful to think about:
On January 22 2010 14:04 789 wrote:
I thought of one thing as I was getting into bed. Something we can do during the night phase to help the medics. We could compile a list of people likely to be hit by the mafia. This will be hard since we don't know who the mafia are as of yet. But we can do something. Anyone know how many medics there actually are?
My suggestion to the medics : pick those who are active. Losing an active person who ends up being a townie would be damaging. We need all the people analyzing clues we can get.
This is a good idea for the medics to go for.
On January 22 2010 14:09 Zona wrote:
You know what, it may be useful for detectives to use at least one of the role checks early.
Right now, if they get a successful clue check, it's hard for them to convince the town of it without outing themselves, since we've already discussed the first set of clues ad nauseam without any conclusions. However, if they check someone and aren't too unlucky, they'll hit a town member and then can share with them safely (although the town member they contact will not necessarily be able to trust the detective). And if we establish a method of choosing which player to check (i.e. check the player below them in the player list) then they won't waste/overlap checks.
But the risk of that method is that if a mafia member is not contacted, then they will know the person above them is not a detective. Hmm. More to think about.
This is also a good idea to think about, however there are a big risk in regards to this. One big risk I can think of immediately on top of my head is that a mafia can fake himself to be detective to try the member they "assumed" to check as detective. Hmm...
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On January 22 2010 14:06 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 14:04 Iaaan wrote:
and isn't it lulzy? ;p
It probably looks a little suspicious, but I'll just say that my two goals are not to have a mafia be mayor, and possibly become mayor myself. Going to bed now, but I'll be interested to see how this turns out (: Hmm..... I can't say I don't understand your intentions as I understand your desire to be mayor. However, what troubles me is the first part you said where not to have a mafia be mayor when tree.hugger was almost taken for the spot as mayor.... does that mean you considered him as mafia?
Of course he considers him as mafia!
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On January 22 2010 14:16 Zona wrote:
Yes, I totally agree that detectives should reveal themselves to who they check if the check turns up town, the godfather risk is low. If detectives find more than one medic, yes they should coordinate. But the medic needs to be careful that mafia members aren't fishing to find who the medic is.
At this point without coordination, a medic protection overlap is possible, but remember that even if medic protection was evenly spread out they won't necessarily choose who the mafia will target. I don't think that we can create a plan that will really guarantee that a medic will stop a hit at this point in the game.
Actually, the more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that detectives should use some of their role checks early in the game to build a base of people they can talk to privately.
On January 22 2010 14:17 Zona wrote:
Yes - but if the detective has checked someone to be town, the detective can reveal him/herself safely to the person he/she has checked.
(Of course, the person being revealed to needs to be skeptical, as the "detective" who contacted them might be a mafia member.)
I love stealing other people's ideas in the other mafia game. Although I can take credit, I do not wish to but Zona from the other mafia game makes an excellent point and a better insight and plan of what a DT should do rather than my original suggestion of using a "clue check" on compiled clues... Some food for thought to think about it.
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On January 22 2010 14:21 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 14:16 Zona wrote:
Yes, I totally agree that detectives should reveal themselves to who they check if the check turns up town, the godfather risk is low. If detectives find more than one medic, yes they should coordinate. But the medic needs to be careful that mafia members aren't fishing to find who the medic is.
At this point without coordination, a medic protection overlap is possible, but remember that even if medic protection was evenly spread out they won't necessarily choose who the mafia will target. I don't think that we can create a plan that will really guarantee that a medic will stop a hit at this point in the game.
Actually, the more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that detectives should use some of their role checks early in the game to build a base of people they can talk to privately. Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 14:17 Zona wrote:
Yes - but if the detective has checked someone to be town, the detective can reveal him/herself safely to the person he/she has checked.
(Of course, the person being revealed to needs to be skeptical, as the "detective" who contacted them might be a mafia member.) I love stealing other people's ideas in the other mafia game. Although I can take credit, I do not wish to but Zona from the other mafia game makes an excellent point and a better insight and plan of what a DT should do rather than my original suggestion of using a "clue check" on compiled clues... Some food for thought to think about it.
That is a very nice idea. I just hope to god that the DT isn't one of the inactive ones. If he is, we're fucked as well.
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Voting has ended,
d3_cresentia is your Sherriff
tree.hugger is your mayor
tree.hugger beats fulgrim for slot as he was ahead in polls at one point before dropping back to tied position
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That also means that I need your day 1 lynch target tree.hugger.
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Interesting that you're lifting ideas that from the other thread as I'm thinking of them, QS. In a game as large as this I'm guessing there has to be more than 1 DT. Let's hope BC hasn't been excessively cruel to us.
Signing off for the night.
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Oh snap, tree.hugger is mayor!
Well, who are you going to lynch then?
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I love post-reaction delay.
Good night. Let's hope for a good one (and by that I mean a bad one).
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LOL tree.hugger, that post was funny before you happen to ninja-edit them... ^_^
And also congrats to both the newly elected mayor and sheriff, may our town be in peace by your guidance..... (or hells of doom if either of you are mafia... o.O)
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tree.hugger why did you edit your post? >_>
that's not allowed <_<
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On January 22 2010 14:39 d3_crescentia wrote:
Interesting that you're lifting ideas that from the other thread as I'm thinking of them, QS. In a game as large as this I'm guessing there has to be more than 1 DT. Let's hope BC hasn't been excessively cruel to us.
Signing off for the night.
I'm pretty sure there are more than one DT. However the question marks and the undefinite # listed by the OP does not convince me otherwise.... but I'm sure...
And I'm sure there's nothing wrong with taking any hints/suggestions/ideas/comments from other mafia game. They're the other town, may be our sister, brother or even cousin townies.... or maybe not...
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Night 1
The town finished the voting, and the election was close, but after the day, we had our results.
d3_cresentia was voted Sheriff, and tree.hugger was voted mayor.
Then the town stood still as their officials took the stage. The sheriff was given his badge, and the mayor took the podium. Tree.hugger cleared his throat and yelled "Lunaticman, you are the first to face the gallows"
The town grabbed the man, and brought him to the noose. The man stood silent, gazing down at his feet. And then it was done, the limp body of lunaticman the detective swayed in the evening breeze.
The town dispersed in shock, and prepared for the night.
all those with usable night actions, send them in please
you have between 24 and 36 hours (depends on if i get all actions in on when i end the day
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So we know he was blue but we don't find out he exact role or what?
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My my, this is an unfortunate turn of events. It seems our newly elected mayor have taken a wrong turn to vote off a fellow townie, a significant blue role nonetheless.... Of course, it was his logical decision to vote off the inactive as he was as such and I do not question that, but what I do question is, who exactly was lunaticman?? What role has he served that we have failed to see....
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Hmmm.... page 1, it finally reveal the role of our fellow unfortunate death of a townie... and it turns out to reveal as a Detective nonetheless.... this is definitely not good.... though he never posted, hitting a detective is a huge blow to the town.... a very costy one...
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Crap I just noticed that too
Inactive people are dumb....
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The thing about lunaticman was that my theory is he never knew about the game even started. Yet he was assigned as a detective role. I really think the OP needs to correct this by banning him next game or so for receiving such a huge role (obvious by the PM) and simply discarding it as if he does not care at all.... That's my suggestion to the OP.
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On January 22 2010 15:01 QuickStriker wrote:
The thing about lunaticman was that my theory is he never knew about the game even started. Yet he was assigned as a detective role. I really think the OP needs to correct this by banning him next game or so for receiving such a huge role (obvious by the PM) and simply discarding it as if he does not care at all.... That's my suggestion to the OP.
I have been pming all the inactives, and know they have access (mods have made sure of this).
I also provided him links to the game thread.
=\ so, he knew that the game was going, and where to go + his role. can't do much more than that from my position (aside from banning from any new games).
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The man stood silent, gazing down at his feet.
He died as he lived...
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"Lunaticman, you never attended any of our meetings, and we kept hearing weird explosions from your hermitage on the hill, so we just assumed you were up to no good. Guess we were wrong. But what use was your ability when you failed to use it?"
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guys just stopping by and saying:
lol
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Oh well, there's nothing else we can absolutely do about this matter as we should not indulge ourselves into the past and move on forward toward the future that we can possibility have to live another tomorrow. But I am certain there are other detectives out there besides lunaticman himself, possibly at least one more, so I do sincerely wish this last detective(s) is able to smarten up and not repeat the same mistake as shown here. I do not hope for a repeat of this tragedy as what's done is done, but repeat of such can only cost us more.....
So detectives, I strongly suggest to read over and check and also consider some of the suggestions outlined above.
For the medics, I do believe that suggestion marked several posts past are also a possibility to follow as it does suggest an excellent option to make at least this early in the game.
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On January 22 2010 15:11 QuickStriker wrote:
Oh well, there's nothing else we can absolutely do about this matter as we should not indulge ourselves into the past and move on forward toward the future that we can possibility have to live another tomorrow. But I am certain there are other detectives out there besides lunaticman himself, possibly at least one more, so I do sincerely wish this last detective(s) is able to smarten up and not repeat the same mistake as shown here. I do not hope for a repeat of this tragedy as what's done is done, but repeat of such can only cost us more.....
So detectives, I strongly suggest to read over and check and also consider some of the suggestions outlined above.
For the medics, I do believe that suggestion marked several posts past are also a possibility to follow as it does suggest an excellent option to make at least this early in the game.
Says.....the untrustworthy one....
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On January 22 2010 15:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:11 QuickStriker wrote:
Oh well, there's nothing else we can absolutely do about this matter as we should not indulge ourselves into the past and move on forward toward the future that we can possibility have to live another tomorrow. But I am certain there are other detectives out there besides lunaticman himself, possibly at least one more, so I do sincerely wish this last detective(s) is able to smarten up and not repeat the same mistake as shown here. I do not hope for a repeat of this tragedy as what's done is done, but repeat of such can only cost us more.....
So detectives, I strongly suggest to read over and check and also consider some of the suggestions outlined above.
For the medics, I do believe that suggestion marked several posts past are also a possibility to follow as it does suggest an excellent option to make at least this early in the game. Says.....the untrustworthy one....
Why is he untrustworthy? If anybody should be untrustworthy, it should be you. You haven't even put imput into this yet, only attack qs.
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On January 22 2010 15:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:11 QuickStriker wrote:
Oh well, there's nothing else we can absolutely do about this matter as we should not indulge ourselves into the past and move on forward toward the future that we can possibility have to live another tomorrow. But I am certain there are other detectives out there besides lunaticman himself, possibly at least one more, so I do sincerely wish this last detective(s) is able to smarten up and not repeat the same mistake as shown here. I do not hope for a repeat of this tragedy as what's done is done, but repeat of such can only cost us more.....
So detectives, I strongly suggest to read over and check and also consider some of the suggestions outlined above.
For the medics, I do believe that suggestion marked several posts past are also a possibility to follow as it does suggest an excellent option to make at least this early in the game. Says.....the untrustworthy one....
On January 22 2010 15:28 Chezinu wrote:Says.....the untrustworthy one....
The hell? The exact post with the exact same dots from 2 different accounts. I mean Chezinu is from another game that I am now invited to play but this is highly suspicious of me now....
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On January 22 2010 15:33 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 22 2010 15:11 QuickStriker wrote:
Oh well, there's nothing else we can absolutely do about this matter as we should not indulge ourselves into the past and move on forward toward the future that we can possibility have to live another tomorrow. But I am certain there are other detectives out there besides lunaticman himself, possibly at least one more, so I do sincerely wish this last detective(s) is able to smarten up and not repeat the same mistake as shown here. I do not hope for a repeat of this tragedy as what's done is done, but repeat of such can only cost us more.....
So detectives, I strongly suggest to read over and check and also consider some of the suggestions outlined above.
For the medics, I do believe that suggestion marked several posts past are also a possibility to follow as it does suggest an excellent option to make at least this early in the game. Says.....the untrustworthy one.... Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:28 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2010 15:26 QuickStriker wrote:
Hope to work with you all! ^_^ Says.....the untrustworthy one.... The hell? The exact post with the exact same dots from 2 different accounts. I mean Chezinu is from another game that I am now invited to play but this is highly suspicious of me now....
maybe I stole is post obv?
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On January 22 2010 15:33 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:33 QuickStriker wrote:On January 22 2010 15:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 22 2010 15:11 QuickStriker wrote:
Oh well, there's nothing else we can absolutely do about this matter as we should not indulge ourselves into the past and move on forward toward the future that we can possibility have to live another tomorrow. But I am certain there are other detectives out there besides lunaticman himself, possibly at least one more, so I do sincerely wish this last detective(s) is able to smarten up and not repeat the same mistake as shown here. I do not hope for a repeat of this tragedy as what's done is done, but repeat of such can only cost us more.....
So detectives, I strongly suggest to read over and check and also consider some of the suggestions outlined above.
For the medics, I do believe that suggestion marked several posts past are also a possibility to follow as it does suggest an excellent option to make at least this early in the game. Says.....the untrustworthy one.... On January 22 2010 15:28 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2010 15:26 QuickStriker wrote:
Hope to work with you all! ^_^ Says.....the untrustworthy one.... The hell? The exact post with the exact same dots from 2 different accounts. I mean Chezinu is from another game that I am now invited to play but this is highly suspicious of me now.... maybe I stole is post obv?
I don't know.... this seems quite a bit more suspicious than the 2 mafia games itself.... interesting...
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Wait a minute...
On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me.
Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him.
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On January 22 2010 15:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wait a minute... Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him.
Interesting fact and point you have brought out here. That is definitely something to think about as I noticed it before but wasn't really thinking too hard or considering it until you have pointed it just now.
But as late it is, I will go to sleep and continue any discussion for tomorrow. (or today in that matter) Good night!
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shindigs has withdrawn from the game
toplexa has taken his place
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wow inactives really kill this game
welcome toplexa, did you join TL just for MAFIA?
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On January 22 2010 15:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wait a minute... Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him.
Wow, I didn't even notice that until I read ShoCkeyy's post.
I will keep this in mind for the time being.
On January 22 2010 16:06 toplexa wrote:
Hi all.
Welcome to the game! ^-^
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I registered in TL about a year or so to watch vods. I have been lurking around since then. This is my first mafia online. Correct me if im wrong but since we dont know about the special townies it isnt better for them to stay hidden for a while? Maybe the detective was trying to stay low.
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well staying low is one thing but not participating in the vote or the thread at all is another...
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Ugh, I can't believe I didn't realise there was a voting thred. Yes, I am a newbie retard, sorry Xelin. Congratulations to our new Mayor and Sherrif, though I can't help but feel one of them must have snuck in as Mafia.
So, is every day going to have a separate voting thread, or are all votes going to be here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110391¤tpage=4
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Well Town a few points as I see it, due the inactive nature of the voting, it might be fair to say that the chances of one of the Mafia being elected to Mayor or Sherrif are high. Not saying anything against the people themselves apart from running they have done very little suspicious but nonethless like someone pointed out if you have alot of inactive townies (im going to assume the mafia are not inactive as i expect they have more incentive to be active) not voting then the mafia can have an easier job of voting a candidate in.
and 2 accusations against people I am almost certain are Mafia
Dzoko -
He put the time and effort into a wealth of posts both stating how my actions are suspicious and my reasoning is false. Yet when I likewise make a big block countering him, he simply dismisses it saying "you did not address my points" or something similar. I am almost certain he is Mafia.
Quickstriker -
The reasons I suspect Quickstrike and why others view him to be a suspect have already been made clear and have not changed.
Get rid of these 2 obvious Mafia, dzoko might as well be holding a tommygun and chatting with al capone for how obvious he has made it from his posting and the clue and subsequent postings of Quickstriker have done likewise.
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On January 22 2010 15:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wait a minute... Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him.
It was a joke, a joke!
But I guess lunaticman was on my mind because I had searched earlier for this guy's post in the sign-up thread as well, and hadn't found it. I thought of how ironic it would be if someone who hadn't said a single word yet ran in at the last moment and voted.
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On January 22 2010 21:14 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wait a minute... On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him. It was a joke, a joke! But I guess lunaticman was on my mind because I had searched earlier for this guy's post in the sign-up thread as well, and hadn't found it. I thought of how ironic it would be if someone who hadn't said a single word yet ran in at the last moment and voted.
Uh huh... sure... I'm watching you mayor
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I'm not sure, but based on the thread so far, my feeling for Mafia is pointing towards ShoCkeyy. Pretty much every one of his posts so far have been one-liners that are poking or prodding accusations at others.
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Good god.
It's sad we lost Lunaticman, but he didn't do shit to let us know he was even around. Also, I find it unlikely that anyone knows anyone's role right now. If we'd elected Iaaan or someone else that was going to lynch an inactive it would have looked equally as suspicious.
It's the first night. If there are any DTs left we should be plan to keep them alive and help them figure out what actions they should take. The idea lifted from the other thread - for a DT to do an early rolecheck to establish an inner circle - sounds like a good idea. Checking someone who's posted in the thread would be good. The risk of running into GF is low, but my feeling is that DT should be wary of the more active players as the GF role benefits more active mafia in the first place. Of course GF role benefits all mafia - it simply depends on what their plan is.
There is also the list of clues I posted earlier up in the thread for DTs to check if they're not working on their own analysis. If anyone has any suggestions to improve it, I have added it below as well as spoilered my original post:
List of potential clues:
1. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. (potential leads: Fishball, softer, drinking)
2. he turned the body and knew it was grave (don't know, bit of a stretch
3. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. (QuickStriker)
4. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery (d3_crescentia)
5. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. (maybe iloveKT)
Potential candidates for the clues have been parenthesized following the clue. Again, I would prioritize forming a trusted circle (of two) first; then I would also follow up with investigations on the more active players that have clues suggesting them like myself and Quickstriker. Of course, no matter what you decide to do, we'll have to reevaluate once Day 2 rolls around.
+ Show Spoiler [Clue Analysis Post] +On January 21 2010 19:31 d3_crescentia wrote:Alright, I'm going to go through this again: The Day 1 post was written in lines of rhyme and prose. A few pages ago I've formatted the original post to show prose and poetry; there are some minor edits here and there to make that more distinct. Show nested quote +One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event.
An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment.
The sheriff Ace however was on the case.
Journeying to the docks by the beach,
he answered the cries of a persons shriek.
What he found however, was a trail of blood.
Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide.
Rushing to the persons aid,
he turned the body and knew it was grave.
A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done,
L would fail to see the coming sun.
Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.***
His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun.
But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk.
He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door.
Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound.
As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office.
It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall.
Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery.
It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder.
The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square.
Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race.***
It was here that the town began to be reshaped. The starred lines are lines that could potentially be rhyming lines. The italicized segments are things that I think could be clues, based on my own thoughts and contributions of others. My initial guess is that the prose sections are where the clues are located, and not where the lines rhyme. For the first murder, I believe we have mostly water-related clues and the cave, which could point to Fishball and drinking. There is also the 'tenderly' adverb, which dozko suggested could be softer. I believe the phrase "knew it was grave" could mean something, but since it's in a rhyme section it goes against my current theory. Still, a possibility there. The sentences with town/ground might be a botched rhyme, but I do feel that the "quick attack" should be checked out for the possibility that QuickStriker is indeed mafia. Regarding Judge's death, we have the flower vase, which points to me. ~OpZ~ also mentioned the repeated use of the word "hall," which in and of itself could be a clue. I've also noticed the use of sound-related descriptors - crash, sound, rush of air; potential connection to iloveKT as his profile contains pictures of sound waves. What I'm particularly curious about what the object that sunk into Judge's shoulder was... that should be a clue in and of itself. List of potential clues: 1. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. 2. he turned the body and knew it was grave (maybe) 3. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. 4. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery5. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. Does anyone have any criticisms? I'm open to suggestions. I realize that most of it is grasping for straws, but I think it's better that the DTs check *something* our first night rather than nothing.
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Finally weekend, been a busy week :p
Im gonna catch up with the thread and post some thoughts a bit later.
It sucks we lost a detective but if he hadnt even posted theres really not much to do about it..
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Lunaticman played shitty game by assuming being consistently silent would keep him alive, that is all. Can't really see what else to see about that turn of events.
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Royw you high? I have posted mostly facts and base lines as to why people can be mafia. Which I suspect, you're mafia. I feel like you and xelin are mafia. Because I pointed out xelin the most, which now you're trying to back up xelin because that's all you have been doing with oiut a reasonas to why you are. Now you're out to attack me, even though I haven't attacked you yet. Now I am.
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On January 23 2010 01:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Royw you high? I have posted mostly facts and base lines as to why people can be mafia. Which I suspect, you're mafia. I feel like you and xelin are mafia. Because I pointed out xelin the most, which now you're trying to back up xelin because that's all you have been doing with oiut a reasonas to why you are. Now you're out to attack me, even though I haven't attacked you yet. Now I am.
Well congratulations and a poly-sentence reply
I haven't actually attacked you, but have just said that I have impression based on your many one liners that have seemed to just be inflammatory rather than constructive.
Even here, you're immediately combatitive, trying to stoke up flames.
In relation to Xelin, I provided my reasoning for support of him - He instinctively seemed so obviously a town member to me based on his initial self-nomination, so I supported him straight away. Nothing he has done so far would change that first impression, although as I have said, I'm a complete newbie and maybe a bad judge of these things.
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Good morning everyone (even though its 1:43 PM right now... slept at 4 AM.. =/), it seems the night is still dark and everyone are still waiting for the day to come... well, once again, I have done some sightseeing to the other town and I have another interesting post which I thought could be a guideline for the DTs, so here it is:
On January 23 2010 03:13 citi.zen wrote:
A guideline for detectives:
1. Use your role-checks to find people you can trust.
2. Only discuss your thoughts in PMs with these people.
3. Don't try to solve everything in the early-game. FE, don't 4 pool - nobody scouted!
4. In the mid-late game, use and abuse clue-checks - they are stronger than role-checks at that point.
5. Only share findings with trusted people.
Am I forgetting something? Is this useful to help coordinate the dts?
My opinion of this is that this is a good idea. A mafia member could try to pretend to be a DT but, they don't know what or who the role is so they have to then guess and if they give it wrong when revealing to a non-mafia member.... it can be told they're mafia automatically... so it's a huge risk factor for mafia to do so.
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Well my typing at the moment sucks, since I am on my phone. But like I said, if you would have actually read any of my post, you would notice that I did not just post one liners, yet I've posted plenty of things that very suspicious and very note worthy. I've only attacked people that have put themselves up for mayor, because that's most likely a mafia move of course.
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I already outlined what a medic should be doing on the last page or so, please keep that mind.
We already can't do anything right now except for waiting for this gruesome night to be over only to find 3 dead bodies... or if lucky, 1 or 2 if medics magically protect the ones that would be hit....
So I suppose that's it for today. I'm not planning to stick around here again as much, and it seems we have a little more activity without me but still, I really want people to step forward, make lots of posts, and move the game along faster. Why the hell am I still the guy with at least 50% posting rate in this game??? That being said, I'm off till later tonight! See ya!
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Cool, d3_crescentia as a sheriff and mr.druid for mayor . I think the election turned out alright, but it sucks big time to lose the inactive DT. I only hope that the replacement player will be active and we dont get anymore players quitting.
Now I firmly believe that all of the mafia are among the active posters and furthermore I think that at least one of tree.hugger, laan and fulgrim is mafia, being the people with the highest votes (after d3, who I dont think is mafia as I previously stated) and because it will be silly for the reds to not participate in the election as the expected payoff of such a strategy outweighs the risk of being found out. Therefore I will be looking forwards to the posts of these guys and any day 2 clues which might be pointing fingers at them.
Also, Xelin, I dont know what issues you have with me but consistently misspelling my nick (a 5 letter word), as well as your recent lashing out against me is childish and unfounded. Think about it. You are angry because my posts possibly played a part in you not getting any success in the election; well does that not imply that most posters actually agree with me that your "big block counter" was indeed off the mark and hence it might well be?
Lastly I want to second the people who posted the "DT forming a circle of trust" theory; i think this is a good idea, since as i stated above we have 3 possible people on who to hone in after the day 2 clues and the DT should be role checking others in the thread to maximize his usefulness.
PS. Its annoying for people to constantly repeat "omgz the other mafia is much more active go guys post". Stop this IMO. Fact of the matter is, the other game is formed by the people who signed up earlier than us, so it is only natural they are more keen and will post more. In addition this constant repetitive urging of other players to vote is not achieving anything, since people like to and will play at their preferred pace no matter what.
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Dozko (Isn't spelling fun) you can very simply and easily counter what I was saying about you, do you know how?
Be Clear, the "big block counter" I posted wasn't just to try to persuade the town that I am a Townie, it was also a test to see how you would in turn respond.
I challenge you to go through precicely what points of yours I "ignored" and also to be more clear about what your points were. If you do this and in a way which is clear and not ambiguous and generalising then you will look far less suspicious.
This is quite fun for me as I am mainly posting this for others to see, I myself am almost certain you are mafia and would quite frankly just enjoy trying to stich you up. Your move shelock.
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I have a whimsical proposition also. If the town do lynch dozko or quickstriker and it transpires that they or one of them is not Mafia, I propose that I be the next person to be lynched.
I'm hopeful that this is quite a good proposition for the town to give serious consideration too. please do so ^^
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I say we lynch you first. Ever since the game has started, you've only wanted qs to be lynched.
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Players that don't vote will get modkilled for inactivity. This is actually bad, because the more inactives we have the greater the mafia vote power will be. (Dear NiGoL, I saw you in the BW forum posting in response to something just now, but you haven't posted here yet. It seems odd.) What are our inactives doing? As I've said before, if you sincerely believe that abstaining is better than a wrong decision, go ahead and make that choice for yourself - I won't stop you; just remember that there are consequences to everything, even inaction.
DT only has 3 rolechecks per game, and can't do 2 of them in a row. DT can either rolecheck or cluecheck tonight; rolecheck possibly being safer. The DTs cannot rolecheck me or tree.hugger, though I think they could cluecheck us for relation to any of the things listed above.
The other thread is bristling with good ideas. Yes, it's entirely unproductive to say that this thread is less active than the other, because 1) it's an obvious truth and 2) it's not helpful. It's only slightly less unproductive to consider what that suggests for our game.
Instead, we should be encouraging those who haven't spoken yet to consider the facts and reason things out. The following may seem obvious to you: I am fairly sure that the GF would not have put himself to be an elected official, because doing so would completely waste the GF's ability of hiding himself amongst the townspeople. We can then look at the electoral candidates and say that it is unlikely (though not impossible) that one of them are the GF, though one or more could check as mafia.
For this matter, I am hoping we still have 2 or more DTs. I think it would be terrible if the GF was one of our failed candidates, and our last DT decided to form a circle with him. Of course, it would also be bad (but not as bad) if a DT checked the Miller.
And so we come full-circle to our problem - inactivity. If a large percentage of the population do NOT vote, it gives the Mafia that much more freedom to move around in. In fact they can spread their votes around and have just enough to edge out a win supplemented by Townies who have been convinced by their arguments into following through on their overall strategy. Furthermore, if we have a Mafia mayor, it only makes their power that much stronger.
I will be reconsulting my notes on last night's voting in a while for clues. I hope the DTs will rolecheck the candidates tonight, but I insist that you be wary of speaking up too loudly just yet.
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Just to make things clear...
Conjecture: If we have a mafia-aligned town official, she/he will not be the Godfather.
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Shockey interesting point, and a sound argument (this is sarcasm), but you have tempted me to put forward another interesting little proposition.
I will happily consent to being lynched first on one condition, If I am lynched and it turns out I am, as I claim to be, a humble Green Townie, then quickstriker and dozko will be the next people lynched.
to add a further condition, say I am lynched first and am a townie, then the town decides to lynch Quickstriker and he is also a townie, then my condition of lynching them both is void and as I would have been wrong on quickstriker in this hypothesis then dozko would not be lynched.
So to emphasise, two propositions
If the town agree to lynch Quickstriker and Dozko first and one of them is not Mafia, Then I propose that I be the next person to be lynched
OR
I propose that I be the first person lynched on the one simple condition that If I am innocent then Dozko and Quickstriker will be lynched next
I would prefer the first but am completely happy to do the second as well. Dying sucks but i think i would be greatly helping the town by doing so in this instance.
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XeliN, if you please could, I would appreciate if you could enlighten us by restating your reasons for why QS and/or Dozko should be lynched.
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For QuickStriker i have already given my reasons in my previous posts, whilst they may be scattered among more than one I don't rlly want to repeat myself.
For Dozko it is more intriguing and based on a number of things.
Warning wall of text coming up yet again, but as i was asked...
+ Show Spoiler +
I have already mentioned his long accusatory post against me, if people read it and I mean seriously take the time to study it, then you can see just how vague, opinionated (by this i mean using assumptions such as "i think xelin is mafia and is typing//doing x for the ulterior motive of achieving y")
This immedatiately made me suspicious of him and also i want lie, quite annoyed by him as most of his accusations, when analysed were simply jargon. Now i would judge he is at least reasonably intelligent, something along the lines of a small dolphin or middle aged monkey, and as such there struck me as two distinctly contrasting elements to that and a couple of other posts he made that stood out.
He puts a lot of effort into accusing and placing suspicion on me YET the things he is accusing and suspicions he is trying to raise are vague, general and opinionated. This struck me as a distinctly Mafia like thing to do, he would achieve confusion and suspicion amongst the townies and also detract from any credibility i might have.
Further more after this i PM'd him saying "You really are a dickhead, what points am i supposed to have ignored?" (This was after i posted my "big block defense" and he didnt acknowledge or respond to ANY of it instead simply stated that I ignored his points.
He then responded "Whats with your nerdrage? Grow up and learn to read. Thats the main point of the game."
I felt that any Honest Townie, would be far more likely to possibly put the nerdrage bit sure, but would also have said what i was supposed to have ignored. He still has not told me or the rest of the town what points i am supposed to have ignored and instead just left it in the backround//past.
Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, with this in mind people seeming to go out of their way to accuse me, particularly in ways that are illogical and unfounded which is what dozko has done, are highly suspicious.
I could go on im sure there are more reasons but hopefully for now this gives enough for people to think about
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Also Shockeyy is looking more and more suspicious to me with every small contribution he makes.
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On January 23 2010 07:10 XeliN wrote:
For QuickStriker i have already given my reasons in my previous posts, whilst they may be scattered among more than one I don't rlly want to repeat myself.
For the sake of conciseness, I would really prefer that you did repeat yourself. I think it would be the best way to go about building a case against QS if you could quickly summarize your arguments here in a single post; that way people don't have to search through the entire thread when it comes down to voting time.
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On January 23 2010 06:13 d3_crescentia wrote:
Just to make things clear...
Conjecture: If we have a mafia-aligned town official, she/he will not be the Godfather.
I think this is a pretty good guess. Unless the mafia is foolish then they wouldn't waste having their one the godfather (who won't show as being mafia when role-checked) as a person who in fact cannot be role checked anyway.
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I am going out in a second, I will make a post going over all the reasons why I consider Quickstriker Mafia, citing his posts and explaining my interpretation e.t.c doing this means ransacking the entire thread so far and collecting it together in one post, so I will have it done tomorrow.
Actually if i am killed by Mafia by then I won't be able to, in a hypothetical where i am killed b4 posting then plz give serious thought to lynching Quick Dozko and i would suggest Shockeyy as well.
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On January 23 2010 07:31 XeliN wrote:
I am going out in a second, I will make a post going over all the reasons why I consider Quickstriker Mafia, citing his posts and explaining my interpretation e.t.c doing this means ransacking the entire thread so far and collecting it together in one post, so I will have it done tomorrow.
Actually if i am killed by Mafia by then I won't be able to, in a hypothetical where i am killed b4 posting then plz give serious thought to lynching Quick Dozko and i would suggest Shockeyy as well.
you have 7 hours T_T
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whoops, nevermind 7-19 hours depending on BC
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about inactives: Don't worry. Any inactive players are going to be banned from future Mafia games anyway.
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Alright guys, I'm back now so I'm gonna look some things over of events that happened throughout the day though there isn't anything worth noting since I already said everything I needed to, and I just want the night to pass so the real conversation starts during the day.
But Xelin is interesting the fact he is continuously targeting me onwards disregarding several facts that I will note soon once I compile and explain the flaws and big possible mistakes in his plan, which then can reverse the suspicious toward him. So give me a moment.
On January 23 2010 07:55 Ace wrote:
about inactives: Don't worry. Any inactive players are going to be banned from future Mafia games anyway.
Thank you. Honestly if this mafia game was within the entire TL community, they also deserved to ban from TL at least for a month or forever, but since it isn't....
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Ok i just read everything.
We lost a DT with bad luck. Im just wondering how important are the first mafia hits* and what is sheriff/mayors plan from now on /incarcelation?/. Adding some notes about what could be clues from day 1:
"With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done"
"As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor."
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On January 23 2010 06:21 XeliN wrote:
Shockey interesting point, and a sound argument (this is sarcasm), but you have tempted me to put forward another interesting little proposition.
I will happily consent to being lynched first on one condition, If I am lynched and it turns out I am, as I claim to be, a humble Green Townie, then quickstriker and dozko will be the next people lynched.
to add a further condition, say I am lynched first and am a townie, then the town decides to lynch Quickstriker and he is also a townie, then my condition of lynching them both is void and as I would have been wrong on quickstriker in this hypothesis then dozko would not be lynched.
So to emphasise, two propositions
If the town agree to lynch Quickstriker and Dozko first and one of them is not Mafia, Then I propose that I be the next person to be lynched
OR
I propose that I be the first person lynched on the one simple condition that If I am innocent then Dozko and Quickstriker will be lynched next
I would prefer the first but am completely happy to do the second as well. Dying sucks but i think i would be greatly helping the town by doing so in this instance.
We're going to be making judgments based on facts. This idea is counter-productive and distracting, and I would not vote for it.
Let's be a little more rational here. I think the suggestions for the DT are quite sound, and hopefully already in practice. It's a little difficult to figure out any kind of mafia-proof formula for the medics to follow, but hopefully they'll have a little luck and a knack of guessing.
I'll try to be on a bit, but I just flew to school today and tomorrow I'll be moving back in. But around evening tomorrow, I'll be able to kick the mafia out of our beloved town.
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Lol Xelin, I have more things on you than me. I have posted way more things that urge you being the mafia.
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On January 23 2010 08:19 toplexa wrote:
Ok i just read everything.
We lost a DT with bad luck. Im just wondering how important are the first mafia hits* and what is sheriff/mayors plan from now on /incarcelation?/. Adding some notes about what could be clues from day 1:
"With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done"
"As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor."
Now that I realize and see this. These might be clues as well, perhaps even more meaning clues than what "no_re" pointed out. Hmm... very interesting and good find. Impressive toplexa!
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Just finished getting ready so just before i pop out let me note this. I have made it clear that I am willing and perfectly happy to have the Town lynch me, on a simple condition.
With this, and everything else I have posted in mind, take QuickStrikers compilation with a pinch of salt, although hopefully i will be around to analyse it as well.
Caio!
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I agree with Crescentia, I doubt the Godfather would run, but obviously the Godfather will be someone who has at least voted, even if they haven't posted much in this thread, because of the talk about lynching the completely inactive, and because in order to be elected Godfather, they would probably have needed to talk to the other mafia to convince them to choose the Godfather.
I think the people we should think about lynching are Me, Xelin, Fulgrim, tree.hugger and Crescentia, because I'm pretty sure the Mafia would at least try to get someone elected.
I like the Idea of the DTs making an inner circle.
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection.
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On January 23 2010 08:24 XeliN wrote:
Just finished getting ready so just before i pop out let me note this. I have made it clear that I am willing and perfectly happy to have the Town lynch me, on a simple condition.
With this, and everything else I have posted in mind, take QuickStrikers compilation with a pinch of salt, although hopefully i will be around to analyse it as well.
Caio!
I am amused by this. I will make my small simple case as well then. The fact that you're so early and EAGER to point fingers this early when the ideal situation is to wait out for the next 3 clues to come for the next 3 days from Night 1 really amuses me. I'm sure by that time, people will start ignoring and forget everything talked about in the past, but the fact that you are (like repeated) so EAGER to have your statement across in your exact manner of suggestion of "oh vote me out then those 2 or those 2 then me" really amuses me. I already repeated countless times in detail so allow me to say it in a simple form:
What exact proof do you have and what exact mind do you think any one of us is mafia? The clues are clue, but in your own words, you see it as the ABSOLUTE truth and not care to think of other possibility whatsoever of these people not being mafia, but a townie, or even a blue role such as DT, medic, bodyguard, or etc. What makes you that much more confident in contrast to everyone else as a suspect?
Everyone, I will come and say this, do not be fooled by such person with minds who is only looking at a single path direction without looking to the sides or other paths to follow. It makes my mind boil to see such simple minded person in such a game like this. I honestly don't want to follow the repeat of TL Mafia VII once more.
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and also, I think that people who accuse/encourage just for the sake of accusing (no real/reasonable argument, or just because they don't like them for whatever reason) are either dumb, or they are trying to stir people up and get them pissed off at whoever, in order to hurt the town (so they are potentially Mafia). Unlike the Mafia, they are uninformed of who their allies are. So they should stop doing that.
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On January 23 2010 08:19 toplexa wrote:
Ok i just read everything.
We lost a DT with bad luck. Im just wondering how important are the first mafia hits* and what is sheriff/mayors plan from now on /incarcelation?/. Adding some notes about what could be clues from day 1:
"With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done"
"As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor."
As Sheriff I don't have a concrete plan for using incarceration yet. My thoughts so far are to use it on Mafia suspects in the mid/late game and checking for KP reduction as a means for checking roles.
Could you go into more detail about the first clue? I'm not sure what or who this could suggest.
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On January 23 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:
I agree with Crescentia, I doubt the Godfather would run, but obviously the Godfather will be someone who has at least voted, even if they haven't posted much in this thread, because of the talk about lynching the completely inactive, and because in order to be elected Godfather, they would probably have needed to talk to the other mafia to convince them to choose the Godfather.
I think the people we should think about lynching are Me, Xelin, Fulgrim, tree.hugger and Crescentia, because I'm pretty sure the Mafia would at least try to get someone elected.
I like the Idea of the DTs making an inner circle.
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection.
The idea of DT for inner circle is a big ideal situation that we have to take at this moment as I laid and mentioned it several times.
The Godfather wouldn't run like you stated b/c he can already fool everyone who his role is. That's why the DT also have to realize that their role check on a person and comes out clean can't be 100% certain for sure b/c of a possibility that it's a Godfather using his powers to fool you. But the possibility of that is 1/33 which is low....
The mayor/sheriff can be killed by the mafia during the nighttime if and only if ALL BODYGUARDS are killed first. We don't know who or how many there are....
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can someone explain the high lighted portions of toplexa's post? i fail to see the importance of them
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On January 23 2010 08:37 johnnyspazz wrote:
can someone explain the high lighted portions of toplexa's post? i fail to see the importance of them
I'm waiting to have toplexa himself to explain it to the public. It is another possibility of a clue as a clue told of what the people who died was thinking is a clue itself. But in any case, let's wait and see what he has to say for this as he brought it up.
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ouch, just came back and saw we lynched a DT.
that kind of sucks but I don't think it should be an argument to doubt on our mayor just yet. (of course we can't trust him fully but the fact he lynched an inactive that happened to be blue is just bad luck).
I think we can safely guess that there are more DTs, from what I saw in the old threads, there are generally 1 DT for 3 mafia members, and since this is a noob game I think they should have rounded it up = there should be 3 DTs this game (2 now).
About the DT guidelines that have been posted, beware of the godfather. if he chooses to appear as a DT and you rolecheck him and you decide to trust him, you're in deep shit.
I wonder what will happen tonight, of course having 3 murders sound awefull for the town but at the same time it will leave lots of clues to work with.
About some guys under heavy suspicion like QS or Xelin, you are prime targets for the mafia I think, so every aditional night that you survive will make you exponentially more suspect. Not pointing anybody yet but it is a fact.
Now I would like to adress to the town.
There are alot of inactive players, we can all see that. if you're lurking and seing, trying to think about clues on your own, but not really participating because you got "the boring role" (green).
Stop.
We must all remeber the objectif of the game, it's for your TEAM to win. If your team won, then, no matter if you're alive or dead, you won too. In the next rounds, blue roles will be forced to get some spotlight, to give clues to the town. But if they're the only ones posting, they will become prime targets for the mafia. And that's where you kick in, if you're not blue, you can still pretend you are. Be loud, make the mafia watch you. Even if you die, your posts and the ideas that you've put into the thread will continue posted and people reading over it will see them and re-present them if they are still valid.
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I approve and endorse the suggestion made by the above poster.
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On January 23 2010 08:47 SagaZ wrote:
About some guys under heavy suspicion like QS or Xelin, you are prime targets for the mafia I think, so every aditional night that you survive will make you exponentially more suspect. Not pointing anybody yet but it is a fact.
I strongly disagree with this, anyone under suspicion (assuming they aren't actually Mafia) should be the last person they want to kill: why kill someone if the town will lynch them for you? A better idea for them would be to kill people that would throw suspicion on someone else, rather than taking the suspicion away.
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unless I misunderstood what you were saying, and you men't that the town thought think they are Mafia, not that the Mafia want to kill them. If that's the case, then my bad o:
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Xelin, of course my long analysis on you (and primarily your campaign post) was opinionated and a bit vague. You seem to forget that it is day 1, and I stated in the beginning that this is my gut feeling, its really not black and white. For the sake of putting the topic to rest I will now post examples and clarifications for each of my seven points.
WARNING: the mother of all spoilers!
+ Show Spoiler +1) + Show Spoiler +You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. Here is the post I am talking about in the bold bit: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN
Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! Note that before this post you have not posted for a page and a half, and after this post you do not respond to Shcokeyy but do an unrelated and weirdly timed campaign post. This leads me to the next part of the point. The remaining bit. The "claim to mayordom" is a short way of saying "your desire to step forward as a candidate for election". Initially you posted your candidature on page six + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:
Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. Then six pages later you finally add the reasoning as to why we should elect you. My conclusion: given that all other candidates have expressed their reasoning with their campaign posts it is out of the ordinary. 2) + Show Spoiler +If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. After the very first piece of analysis you start a bandwagon claiming QS is mafia, going with the trend. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:
A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment.
Comment post + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:
This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage.
Another comment + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 22:02 XeliN wrote:
Sure i am aware of that xD, but im also concious that it is certainly going to be an ambition of the mafia in general to have their members run in the election race and so anyone who puts themselves forward is simply by that action more suspicious that one who doesn't.
Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:
heh Sagaz interesting you raised that as I was just outside having a ciggarette thinking over the things in this thread and how there have already been claims made, suspcions cast e.t.c and was thinking it might be extremely intelligent for the mafia as a whole to simply not post much, rely on us creating so much confusion amongst ourselves that they do not need to try to provoke it or develop it. Following the trend: Initially: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. And after d3's post, only a few hrs later: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 07:46 XeliN wrote:
Im starting to warm to the idea someone mentioned earlier about lynching those that post least, not because i think it relates to them being mafia or would be productive in any way just out of sheer annoyance. Yet another: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. These are plenty examples. Note that the rest of the point is deductive analysis, which is based on such posts, yet you dismiss it completely in your reply. 3) + Show Spoiler +His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. ( I repeat myself here with point 1) What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
My candidacy for Mayor.
I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act.[/QIOTE]
Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very small chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2). Compare this with the other candidates before him, who approach this in a more open-minded fashion. Again i stand by my conclusion. How can you be so sure that your theories are correct, that you consider them an important part of your campaign, when even you realize we do not have enough info for that level of certainness. 4) + Show Spoiler +He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. Your claim + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:I urge people to vote me in, I think i am likely to be a target for a mafia given the nature of my posts and openess of my suspicions and so on that basis only i would enjoy the protection. I still stand by my point. Your claim i have quoted above makes no sense because of the two points a) and b). 5) + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve!
This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely reason is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim. I think my points here are valid even though they are a bit far fetched, the variance of the errors in your writing is very large up to this point. Again this is what I felt at the time thinking about the game and put it in words. You completely ignore this paragraph in your retort. 6) + Show Spoiler +6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. Example + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why. Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have. Given the above my reasoning is plausible. Also you have indeed only been involved in arguments with other players and only have 1 post on analyzing the clues (which is the only real concrete info we have so far). So my other point still stands. 7) + Show Spoiler +7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. This is self explanatory. As you can see from the above I have indeed based the analysis on your posts, and since 99% of the thread so far is speculation since we have little concrete info, it is laughable for you to begin PM'ing me and lunging at me in the thread simply because I have called you out. Before I conclude this mammoth of a post, let me draw attention to your posting style again. You write about everything with 100% certainty and you still sprinkle your arguments with certain things, which at this point are pointless to say as anyone will claim this when queried. e.g. + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2010 07:10 XeliN wrote:Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, Finally, I still stand by my original conclusions. Your posting style is still making me suspicious and I believe this may be down to one of the following reasons: - You're mafia and being a new player got freaked out, that you might be found out, given someone is putting so much effort in analyzing your posts (which is my default posting style anyway). - You have a blue role and dont want my posts to risk you getting lynched, but you jump to conclusions very quickly and dont think things through (further evidenced by your unprovoked flame PMs to me). Again read the very first sentences of my initial post on you. It is a gut feeling and my thoughts, why do you feel so threatened?
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I would like to announce that I'm going to go afk for about 3-4 hours due to my obligation to oversee my own TL tourney that I have created a month ago which will start in one hour. Since this "Novice Starleague" is considered more important than this mafia game in my own standards, I will come back to make some input and commitment after today's stage is over. See ya!
Also, I took a brief skim look on dozko's post above. The long analysis is interesting to look at so I do encourage all other members to take a look at as well. I will finish reading it later on when I'm back.
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On January 23 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection.
True, but I think the Mafia can turn this around to their advantage even if they were to lie and claim DT publicly.
If a Mafia officers claims DT publicly, then they'd have to rolecheck someone. Mafia could coordinate to have one person take the hit; they would check and be forced to sacrifice a member after public announcement. All well and good for the town, except that the DT cannot rolecheck twice in a row, and would still let the Mafia kill 6 people for the time being. Then on the third night, the Mafia/fake DT would have a chance of being discovered if two DTs do the same check to be sure. However, doing so could reveal the real DT if they collaborate together and then the Mafia will target the real DT. We could then lynch the Mafia/fake DT if the evidence is conclusive enough, though it's possible that they could also make a lucky guess in checking people, and continue on another day.
Secondly, if the Mafia officer claims DT and says he's doing cluechecks instead, the same thing would happen with the rolecheck above - there's no way to confirm the word that the officer actually IS a DT without outside collaboration, which would threaten to expose any other DTs we have.
If we have the case that the officer actually IS DT, then for all of the reasoning above it would be dangerous to trust him 100%. In other words, it would be extremely advantageous for us to have a DT in office, but it would be extremely suspicious for them to roleclaim that publicly. Privately will be a different story, but even then I would be suspicious.
Lastly, keep in mind that the Mafia are actively trying to figure out whatever OUR roles are, and they have a better chance in guessing Townie over a blue role. If in the first case they decided to not let another Mafia take the fall, they have a good chance of hitting a Townie by guessing, and again we would have to wait until Night 3/Day 4 for a double DT confirmation to be sure.
It would be advantageous, yes, to have a DT in office, and I would think an active DTs would have had the thought cross their mind, even if they didn't decide to do it. I just don't think they would roleclaim so soon.
This is all off the top of my head and someone could (and should try to) find holes in my logic.
Day 2 clues should give us a better idea of who to lynch. I think the remaining DTs should rolecheck the election candidates - whomever they can or mistrust.
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wow interesting points by everyone so far.
can someone explain to me what clue checking is?
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If we turn the chessboard around (lol, love that I get to use that phrase) and look at it from the Mafia perspective, all of this information would also suggest that it would be dangerous for Mafia to roleclaim DT anyway since we know this and they know this.
Supposing the electorate is DT, though, and roleclaims, the situation would not change much even if the DT was under no suspicion. 6 people will die in 2 nights, but there's no guarantee for that we can lynch any Mafia in that time. It's just that roleclaiming DT for a mafia candidate, under my line of thought, will likely end up with a DT death amongst those 6.
Looking back upon it, Mafia-electorate roleclaiming DT is much like a stronger GF. Yeargh.
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Sorry for not voting, it has been raining pretty bad and the lights went out for quite some time. I'll be reading what's up.
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On January 23 2010 09:22 johnnyspazz wrote:
wow interesting points by everyone so far.
can someone explain to me what clue checking is?
The DT asks if a certain line or phrase from the Day post contains a clue, and/or if it points to a particular person. This is done in private by PMs to the game host. Examples:
1) DT asks, "does the phrase "he saw that it was a broken flower vase" contain a clue?"
2) DT asks, "does the phrase 'with a quick attack' point to QuickStriker?"
and the host BC will reply in PM to them. What they do with the knowledge is up to them of course...
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Hey guys, haven't been able to check the thread in like a day T_T . I see that d3 and tree.hugger won, (darn you tree.hugger we tied) but looking to see that tree lynched my first choice of lynch I doubt that he is mafia. (although it is a shame that he was a DT) Congrats to winners, now I have 6 pages to read.
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out to dinner, bbl
hope this conversation goes on until MSL starts!
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if a Mafia electorate claims DT, they could identify a Mafia and kill them in order to gain confidence. A Townie electorate DT could do the same thing our of luck. the only way to tell if they would be a real DT is for them, like you said, do a double role check, or for the DT to tell people what a blue persons role is, and then to kill them/double check for confirmation.
So maybe it wasn't a good idea But if our mayor/sheriff is a DT, then its still good. I'm sure that a Mafia and a DT could have the same view on getting one of the electoral roles, the protection would be great, just the side it helps changes o:
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On January 23 2010 08:59 dozko wrote:Xelin, of course my long analysis on you (and primarily your campaign post) was opinionated and a bit vague. You seem to forget that it is day 1, and I stated in the beginning that this is my gut feeling, its really not black and white. For the sake of putting the topic to rest I will now post examples and clarifications for each of my seven points. WARNING: the mother of all spoilers! + Show Spoiler +1) + Show Spoiler +You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. Here is the post I am talking about in the bold bit: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN
Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! Note that before this post you have not posted for a page and a half, and after this post you do not respond to Shcokeyy but do an unrelated and weirdly timed campaign post. This leads me to the next part of the point. The remaining bit. The "claim to mayordom" is a short way of saying "your desire to step forward as a candidate for election". Initially you posted your candidature on page six + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:
Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. Then six pages later you finally add the reasoning as to why we should elect you. My conclusion: given that all other candidates have expressed their reasoning with their campaign posts it is out of the ordinary. 2) + Show Spoiler +If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. After the very first piece of analysis you start a bandwagon claiming QS is mafia, going with the trend. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:
A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment.
Comment post + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:
This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage.
Another comment + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 22:02 XeliN wrote:
Sure i am aware of that xD, but im also concious that it is certainly going to be an ambition of the mafia in general to have their members run in the election race and so anyone who puts themselves forward is simply by that action more suspicious that one who doesn't.
Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:
heh Sagaz interesting you raised that as I was just outside having a ciggarette thinking over the things in this thread and how there have already been claims made, suspcions cast e.t.c and was thinking it might be extremely intelligent for the mafia as a whole to simply not post much, rely on us creating so much confusion amongst ourselves that they do not need to try to provoke it or develop it. Following the trend: Initially: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. And after d3's post, only a few hrs later: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 07:46 XeliN wrote:
Im starting to warm to the idea someone mentioned earlier about lynching those that post least, not because i think it relates to them being mafia or would be productive in any way just out of sheer annoyance. Yet another: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. These are plenty examples. Note that the rest of the point is deductive analysis, which is based on such posts, yet you dismiss it completely in your reply. 3) + Show Spoiler +His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. ( I repeat myself here with point 1) What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
My candidacy for Mayor.
I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act.[/QIOTE]
Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very small chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2). Compare this with the other candidates before him, who approach this in a more open-minded fashion. Again i stand by my conclusion. How can you be so sure that your theories are correct, that you consider them an important part of your campaign, when even you realize we do not have enough info for that level of certainness. 4) + Show Spoiler +He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. Your claim + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:I urge people to vote me in, I think i am likely to be a target for a mafia given the nature of my posts and openess of my suspicions and so on that basis only i would enjoy the protection. I still stand by my point. Your claim i have quoted above makes no sense because of the two points a) and b). 5) + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve!
This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely reason is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim. I think my points here are valid even though they are a bit far fetched, the variance of the errors in your writing is very large up to this point. Again this is what I felt at the time thinking about the game and put it in words. You completely ignore this paragraph in your retort. 6) + Show Spoiler +6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. Example + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why. Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have. Given the above my reasoning is plausible. Also you have indeed only been involved in arguments with other players and only have 1 post on analyzing the clues (which is the only real concrete info we have so far). So my other point still stands. 7) + Show Spoiler +7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. This is self explanatory. As you can see from the above I have indeed based the analysis on your posts, and since 99% of the thread so far is speculation since we have little concrete info, it is laughable for you to begin PM'ing me and lunging at me in the thread simply because I have called you out. Before I conclude this mammoth of a post, let me draw attention to your posting style again. You write about everything with 100% certainty and you still sprinkle your arguments with certain things, which at this point are pointless to say as anyone will claim this when queried. e.g. + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2010 07:10 XeliN wrote:Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, Finally, I still stand by my original conclusions. Your posting style is still making me suspicious and I believe this may be down to one of the following reasons: - You're mafia and being a new player got freaked out, that you might be found out, given someone is putting so much effort in analyzing your posts (which is my default posting style anyway). - You have a blue role and dont want my posts to risk you getting lynched, but you jump to conclusions very quickly and dont think things through (further evidenced by your unprovoked flame PMs to me). Again read the very first sentences of my initial post on you. It is a gut feeling and my thoughts, why do you feel so threatened?
You have read my mind. I don't like the way Xelin has to offer things, or the way he puts things.
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On January 23 2010 09:10 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection. True, but I think the Mafia can turn this around to their advantage even if they were to lie and claim DT publicly. If a Mafia officers claims DT publicly, then they'd have to rolecheck someone. Mafia could coordinate to have one person take the hit; they would check and be forced to sacrifice a member after public announcement. All well and good for the town, except that the DT cannot rolecheck twice in a row, and would still let the Mafia kill 6 people for the time being. Then on the third night, the Mafia/fake DT would have a chance of being discovered if two DTs do the same check to be sure. However, doing so could reveal the real DT if they collaborate together and then the Mafia will target the real DT. We could then lynch the Mafia/fake DT if the evidence is conclusive enough, though it's possible that they could also make a lucky guess in checking people, and continue on another day. Secondly, if the Mafia officer claims DT and says he's doing cluechecks instead, the same thing would happen with the rolecheck above - there's no way to confirm the word that the officer actually IS a DT without outside collaboration, which would threaten to expose any other DTs we have. If we have the case that the officer actually IS DT, then for all of the reasoning above it would be dangerous to trust him 100%. In other words, it would be extremely advantageous for us to have a DT in office, but it would be extremely suspicious for them to roleclaim that publicly. Privately will be a different story, but even then I would be suspicious. Lastly, keep in mind that the Mafia are actively trying to figure out whatever OUR roles are, and they have a better chance in guessing Townie over a blue role. If in the first case they decided to not let another Mafia take the fall, they have a good chance of hitting a Townie by guessing, and again we would have to wait until Night 3/Day 4 for a double DT confirmation to be sure. It would be advantageous, yes, to have a DT in office, and I would think an active DTs would have had the thought cross their mind, even if they didn't decide to do it. I just don't think they would roleclaim so soon. This is all off the top of my head and someone could (and should try to) find holes in my logic. Day 2 clues should give us a better idea of who to lynch. I think the remaining DTs should rolecheck the election candidates - whomever they can or mistrust.
The thing with this, is that Mafia won't roleclaim DT publicly. If some one roleclaims DT publicly then we can expect them to be lynched by the mafia. So that means if a mafia member role claims DT publicly and doesn't get lynched, that person must be a mafia. There's no way a DT will survive if he openly says he's a DT.
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But for the electoral roles shockeyy, they have protection from the mafia.
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On January 23 2010 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You have read my mind. I don't like the way Xelin has to offer things, or the way he puts things.
Come on people, am I the only one who thinks it's obvious that Xelin is not Mafia? I can't imagine anyone making a 'lynch me on condition of lynching person x next' gambit unless they're ultra-defensive and feeling persecuted.
We have many many people in game, and many people are flying under radar through inactivity.
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On January 23 2010 10:39 Iaaan wrote:
But for the electoral roles shockeyy, they have protection from the mafia.
That's if EVEN a mafia was elected as a electoral role. And I really doubt that. I feel like the people we have at the moment aren't mafia, or detective.
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I'm happy that you feel like that, but I'm sure you can understand if we consider the all the possibilities and don't just trust blindly.
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On January 23 2010 11:36 Iaaan wrote:
I'm happy that you feel like that, but I'm sure you can understand if we consider the all the possibilities and don't just trust blindly.
I understand of course, that's why I said, "I feel."
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On January 22 2010 23:36 RoyW wrote:
I'm not sure, but based on the thread so far, my feeling for Mafia is pointing towards ShoCkeyy. Pretty much every one of his posts so far have been one-liners that are poking or prodding accusations at others.
No thats me....
Why do XeliN, quickstriker, Velkan Knight sound so similar....Like....Mildly retarded....
That's why I find them suspicious!!!
Do not follow!!
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On January 23 2010 11:18 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You have read my mind. I don't like the way Xelin has to offer things, or the way he puts things. Come on people, am I the only one who thinks it's obvious that Xelin is not Mafia? I can't imagine anyone making a 'lynch me on condition of lynching person x next' gambit unless they're ultra-defensive and feeling persecuted. We have many many people in game, and many people are flying under radar through inactivity.
Don't defend the mildly retarded....
Trust me, he's mafia....I'm down with shockeyyy
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Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...
Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....
I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon...
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I just highlighted the phrases that are out of context as opposed to no_re. He thought that "with a quick attack" was a clue but seems too direct to me. I did some research in another mafia thread and they are always very obscure.
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On January 23 2010 12:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...
Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....
I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon...
Nice to have back up.
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On January 23 2010 12:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 12:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...
Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....
I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon... Nice to have back up.
I said that wrong anyway....
Either way I mean atleast one of them is retarded and mafia....and the other is just retarded....so lets just lynch them both and call it a night?
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if i was mayor i would definitely have xelin lynched next
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but ofcouse i would wait for day 2 clues
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Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.
Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.
tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.
So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.
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Johnny i was going to add at the end of the first sentence "Then what would you do?" I'm abit pissed so forgot to finish it and went off on a stream of conscious tangent.
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Currently i kinda see the situation going on as akin to the MSL Finals. The Mafia (Flash) are the obvious people to win at this point, but I still hope the Townies (Jaedong) PWN this shit up and come out of it with a 3-0 rapeage.
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How the hell is Flash the mafia and Jaedong the townies? If anything, Flash is the pure innocent townie who is also powerful indeed to be known as the ultimate weapon. Jaedong is the townie as he is the tyrant causing chaos in the town. That being said, Flash will own JD 3-0 in MSL....
And I'm back from my NSL tourney. Darn, so long so tiring.... maybe anyone here want to join me and help out during NSL in the future??
Anyway, when do we know the results for the Night 1? Since I do prefer if Day 2 comes quicker so we can see more clues, leads and more suggestions to come along with it... =/
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On January 23 2010 13:15 XeliN wrote:
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.
Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.
tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.
So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.
We're not going to lynch you because you want us to, now stop being an attention whore.
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I originally posted this just to RoyW but as it is the spirit of sharing and tbh would like to get this out there for all to see then...
Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia.
PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support
Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion.
Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion
1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb
2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko
3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if
A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them
This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red
Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia.
For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling
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Tree.hugger you lose literally close to nothing by lynching me (you lose a townie but there are over 20 of us..) yet you stand to gain so much by doing so.
I literally see no reason why you would dismiss lynching me. Do it, unless you have a legitimate candidate alrdy that you are highly suspicious of and think it would be more beneificial to lynch but as far as I can tell you do not. You will gain an awful lot by lynching me, and ignorance of this will be viewed, I hope, by the town on large as suspicious.
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and btw I believe the term you are looking for Mafia is "Catch 22" or "between a rock and a hard place" xD
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On January 23 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote:
I originally posted this just to RoyW but as it is the spirit of sharing and tbh would like to get this out there for all to see then...
Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia.
PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support
Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion.
Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion
1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb
2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko
3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if
A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them
This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red
Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia.
For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling
The only reason as to why I back up QuickStriker is because, he actually wants us to win. What kind of mafia would start posting things to help us win. He was the only one that actually did something in the beginning of the game. As to well, you already trying to lynch him, even though he had done nothing to you.
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Alright guys, as we all should know as members of TL (I know some people aren't into Starcraft), we have one of the biggest finals of the century coming up in 4 hours. As a result, I will resort to sleeping. I was skiming through the last pages, and I felt like it's too much for me to think after the incident of NSL today. So you probably won't hear from me at all till tomorrow or ever if I happen to die. I don't know if medics are really doing their job of picking someone to protect but I do suggest to choose carefully of who do you think will be hit next and soon.
The detectives should do a role check tonight. I recommend to pick who you think is mafia and if it has been proven false, then you can still use that person to create an inner circle in order to share thoughts. This is an excellent tactic known for a while and have many uses.
Finally, depending on the clues given tomorrow, I do suggest of voting on the "Double Lynch" for Day 3. Since the rule for using double lynch for the town requires one day in advance to use such an ability, the town should vote on it regardless of not being able to find anyone tomorrow, as by day 3, I am sure we can find 2 possible candidates to lynch on. The other mafia game is using this strategy and I feel it is an effective excellent thought after consideration. So everyone, please keep that in mind. Thanks and out.
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On January 23 2010 10:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2010 09:10 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection. True, but I think the Mafia can turn this around to their advantage even if they were to lie and claim DT publicly. If a Mafia officers claims DT publicly, then they'd have to rolecheck someone. Mafia could coordinate to have one person take the hit; they would check and be forced to sacrifice a member after public announcement. All well and good for the town, except that the DT cannot rolecheck twice in a row, and would still let the Mafia kill 6 people for the time being. Then on the third night, the Mafia/fake DT would have a chance of being discovered if two DTs do the same check to be sure. However, doing so could reveal the real DT if they collaborate together and then the Mafia will target the real DT. We could then lynch the Mafia/fake DT if the evidence is conclusive enough, though it's possible that they could also make a lucky guess in checking people, and continue on another day. Secondly, if the Mafia officer claims DT and says he's doing cluechecks instead, the same thing would happen with the rolecheck above - there's no way to confirm the word that the officer actually IS a DT without outside collaboration, which would threaten to expose any other DTs we have. If we have the case that the officer actually IS DT, then for all of the reasoning above it would be dangerous to trust him 100%. In other words, it would be extremely advantageous for us to have a DT in office, but it would be extremely suspicious for them to roleclaim that publicly. Privately will be a different story, but even then I would be suspicious. Lastly, keep in mind that the Mafia are actively trying to figure out whatever OUR roles are, and they have a better chance in guessing Townie over a blue role. If in the first case they decided to not let another Mafia take the fall, they have a good chance of hitting a Townie by guessing, and again we would have to wait until Night 3/Day 4 for a double DT confirmation to be sure. It would be advantageous, yes, to have a DT in office, and I would think an active DTs would have had the thought cross their mind, even if they didn't decide to do it. I just don't think they would roleclaim so soon. This is all off the top of my head and someone could (and should try to) find holes in my logic. Day 2 clues should give us a better idea of who to lynch. I think the remaining DTs should rolecheck the election candidates - whomever they can or mistrust. The thing with this, is that Mafia won't roleclaim DT publicly. If some one roleclaims DT publicly then we can expect them to be lynched by the mafia. So that means if a mafia member role claims DT publicly and doesn't get lynched, that person must be a mafia. There's no way a DT will survive if he openly says he's a DT.
Possible, but consider the following: DT could have found a medic on first rolecheck; messages medic and lets them know that they know their role. DT then announces that they are DT, but they have medic protection and don't die.
My answer was originally in response to if either Mayor/Sheriff were mafia and roleclaimed DT. Generally I think it's a pretty bad idea to roleclaim DT this early in the game anyway, so...
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I think that there are 1 or 2 mafia that tried out to be elected, then 1 or 2 that are actively posting, then 2 or 3 that are lurking, and maybe 1 or 2 that havent been playing at all.
But i withhold my judgement about who they are for now.
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On January 23 2010 14:30 Iaaan wrote:
I think that there are 1 or 2 mafia that tried out to be elected, then 1 or 2 that are actively posting, then 2 or 3 that are lurking, and maybe 1 or 2 that havent been playing at all.
But i withhold my judgement about who they are for now.
Seems like a reasonable guess.
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On January 23 2010 13:15 XeliN wrote:
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.
Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.
tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.
So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.
XeliN, the Mayor has no direct control over who will be lynched on Day 2, the whole town does, by vote. The mayor has 3 votes, if you recall, and given that we have 23 members who voted yesterday (and hopefully more tomorrow from the modkill incentive) the Mayor has some but ultimately not enough influence over the town if we all choose to vote.
Secondly, it is impossible to lynch you now simply because lynch voting is during the Day, not the night. The Day 2 clues will come in before we can even officially VOTE to lynch you, and I think it would be wise to at least LOOK at them for some of the 48 hour period before Day 2 ends.
I am still interested to see a comprehensive post about your proposition to lynch QS and/or dozko (with yourself if you are wrong), detailing what you think suggests that they are mafia. I know you are going to be busy/asleep for some time. I think it would help our more inactive players get caught up to speed quickly, and it would help the town make a vote tomorrow. =]
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You guys need to go easy on the speculation, and wait for Day 2.
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On January 23 2010 16:24 Fishball wrote:
You guys need to go easy on the speculation, and wait for Day 2.
Most def.
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I am heading to bed. When i get up in like 6-7 hours, im ending night.
All remaining night roles have till then to submit actions.
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:O! Oh my god, WHEN WILL IT BE MORNING?
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 24 2010 04:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
:O! Oh my god, WHEN WILL IT BE MORNING?
When the sun rises.
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On January 24 2010 04:08 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 04:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
:O! Oh my god, WHEN WILL IT BE MORNING? When the sun rises.
Lol, I know that you sly dog.
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Day 2
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position. He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.
[no clues area]
Itpaul the townie died
toplexa and i10f the vigilantes died
Time for the next round of voting starting Here
you guys have 48 hours to get it done. GO.
[/no clues area]
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Ugh.... this sucks.... I'm still not satisfied with that stupid no-sleep rule to watch the MSL and then sleep 8 AM in the morning and this... I don't even....
Alright, so I'll make another post after reading this carefully, but this is really bad. The vigilantes are someone within the townies that we could have used very wisely since they had their "once a use" kill anyone ability and we lost that.... 2 of them in matter of fact. Those 2 extra kills could have been very useful and it's sadden me that they have died with such ease.
My immediate response and suggestion in regards to this are the following:
1. Check all posts that these 3 people have made before they died. It is possible whatever they have said throughout the game leaves a clue or a hint that they know who the mafia is.
2. According to what I've heard, the blue roles people (medic/DT) were inactive and weren't submitting their night roles to the OP as of before he went sleeping. I strongly hoped they did submit something but if we really do have a wide inactive blue roles, needless to say the town is definitely not in a good position. So blue roles, please be active.
3. a. If the DTs HAVE role checked afterall and found someone who isn't mafia, then it is likely he isn't mafia despite the 1/33 chance at the time for a godfather to sneak in. The possibility is too low and you can work with him in an inner circle.
b. If the person you checked IS mafia afterall, then I suggest you to lead the townies on the side to suggest who the mafia might be without discovering your identity. Also there is that 1/33 chance that person could be a Miller who is a townie but just shown as mafia in role check so keep that in mind.
I'll post when I take some advil from the worst MSL finals of my life.
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And OP, couldn't have made in the description about how the MSL finals caused these deaths? While waiting for that one hour of pointless discussion after game 3, the mafias came to kill or something. That would be more realistic, but I'm just angry ranting at this point in regards to that.
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wow toplexa wacked? he just joined the game too... odd
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On January 24 2010 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead.
!!!! I Think I know who may be a mafia. I will be right back.
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+ Show Spoiler [l10f's posts] +first post Finally caught up with all the posts >_> took so long T____T
I'm busy with a few things so I won't be super active (see: QuickStriker).
I haven't played mafia that much, just like all of you. But I will give my current opinion. I don't think we should be pointing fingers just yet, with so little clue. Also, I came in too late to influence the sheriff vote in any way, but hopefully we won't get a red in the office
Most of the analysis has been already done I see, and I hope everyone has a great time in this game second in response to quickstriker I was referring to how active you are on this thread, and how I won't be as active as you are, you don't need to jump all over my post abstained at first then voted for d3_crescentia
+ Show Spoiler [toplexa's posts] +I registered in TL about a year or so to watch vods. I have been lurking around since then. This is my first mafia online. Correct me if im wrong but since we dont know about the special townies it isnt better for them to stay hidden for a while? Maybe the detective was trying to stay low. Ok i just read everything.
We lost a DT with bad luck. Im just wondering how important are the first mafia hits* and what is sheriff/mayors plan from now on /incarcelation?/. Adding some notes about what could be clues from day 1:
"With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done"
"As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor." I just highlighted the phrases that are out of context as opposed to no_re. He thought that "with a quick attack" was a clue but seems too direct to me. I did some research in another mafia thread and they are always very obscure. did not vote day 1
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itspaul's posts
I'm fairly inexperienced myself, but I'd like to put my name forward as a potential mayor/sheriff. I can promise that I will be lurking these threads hardcore, as well as posting whenever/wherever necessary. I agree with Fulgrim that the sooner we get our heirachy established, the sooner we can work on rooting those sneaky mofo's (mafio's?) and lynching em good and proper. Should I be elected I can promise that the initial lynch will not be random, but based on posts up to the point where the vote is made, as well as thorough investigation of any hints and whatnot that may be dropped or implied up to that point.
I will also be happy to hear from any of you regarding strategy, but be aware that if I'm elected the final say will rest with me. Gl everyone!
I'm just lazy, so I haven't made a sig or anything. Also, after reading that huge post by no_re I have decided to withdraw my name from voting, that was totally pro how he noticed all that stuff, I only paid attention to the 'flower vase' bit. I'm thinking as our leader we may want someone who is more focused on clues than I think I'd end up being. And yeah no_re that was good stuff!
he also voted for fulgrim
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Alright, thanks johnnyspazz for the posts. Hopefully everyone can follow along easily now.
Now, the obvious thing to do is to look back at the clues of how these 3 people day. But more importantly, check what they said in regards to day 1 clues like toplexa's post where he highlighted some parts (in which johnny forgot to highlight as well >_<) that could possibly lead to the mafia as well.
So in a simple format:
1. Check Day 2's clue of the dead, how they died, their actions before, the killer actions, etc.
2. Check the 3 people's posts, actions, etc, especially what they said in regards to Day 1 clues...
3. Now, I'm wondering how they knew the mafia knew toplexa and i1of were vigilantes. Maybe they didn't, maybe they did... though it is something to think about as well...
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I did not mean to put smiley on that. At the end of that, it was ">_<)" or in case it happens again: ">_<" *no space* ")"
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The most obvious trend (possible clue) I see in the Day 2 post, is the murder weapon, a long blade. It seems pretty obvious, I'm sure everyone noticed it, but maybe it is the clue. So watch out for long blades and ninjas o:
And nice choices of killings, Mafia, people who are playing/reading/analyzing, but not making alot of posts. Keeps things active, but kills smart people o: getting vigilantes was probably just luck.
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Or on second glance at the clues, it says "he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade."
That sounds like some sort of Magic, maybe suggesting Magic.Man.
I dunno tho, I only spent like 2 minutes on these posts, and haven't really looked at any players profiles/names at all.
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To be honest, it was kind of obvious toplexa was a blue role, since why else would a player get replaced, unless he was a really useful role for the town
Ill take a look at the clues and try to figure something out.
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On January 24 2010 06:36 dozko wrote:To be honest, it was kind of obvious toplexa was a blue role, since why else would a player get replaced, unless he was a really useful role for the town Ill take a look at the clues and try to figure something out.
Actually I would replace any player that wanted out. Mafia, green townie, blue role, doesnt matter. If i get a pm asking to be subbed out, i find a sub. As the options are either replace them or modkill them.
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Let's see here...
Direct clues are highlighted
Day 1
One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
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Now a look at Day 2
Day 2
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position. He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.
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Below, I've associated clues with the Mafia which I think are the same person. Please keep in mind these clues could very possibly be pointing at different Mafia members and not like how I listed below. The ways of how I interpreted the clues could also be false. Please think before agreeing/disagreeing.
Mafia 1:
As we can see from the two days of clues, there are repeated clues pointing "The Figure". "The Figure is a Mafia that is very fast. Among all the players, I cannot help but think "QuickStriker".
In his profile, he has Lelouch as his profile picture. Lelouch is also called Zero, which is the main figure head in the anime, Code Geass.
However I haven't been able to relate the "long object in his hands" clue to him.
Mafia 2:
A Mafia that was drawing something technical on the walls.
Seems like an anxious, careful person as he gazed over his shoulder, shot and ran for cover.
Mafia 3:
A man with a long blade.
By reading the clues, it seems like he is one of those Samurais (long blades) that you see in Manga/Animes that would attack so fast with his blade as if he were slicing the air, then his target would be killed right after with some slight delay. At least this is the impression I got.
Mafia 4:
The person that killed vx70GTOJudgexv in Day 1.
Right before it happened, vx70GTOJudgexv heard a crashing sound. In Day 2, Toplexa, and i10f heard screams. Sound related clue or just BloodyC0bbler's writing, I'm not sure, but something we should definitely take a look at.
"A rush of air" clue is associated with this Mafia as well.
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I've went through all the player's profile once, and Quickstriker is the only one that pops right out in my head. If there isn't another better candidate proposed, or if I haven't found anything new, I would vote to lynch QS first. However, keep in mind, I wasn't able to link the "long object hands" clue to him.
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i went to softer's profile and this quote stood out to me
Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes
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Okay, so again looking at fishballs post, the trends I see are quickness in both days, noise/sound/soundwaves in the first day, and the long blade/samurai/ninja in the second day.
The 'Drawing something Technical" bit could also refer to anime, as fishball mentioned a few times, or maybe some sort of artist/architect profession.
It might also make sense if there are the same number of clues in both days. maybe not tho o:
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and just because I think it might be relevant, I will post some stuff about the voting.
fulgrim - 3
tree.hugger
itspaul
decafchicken
d3_cresentia - 5
Fishball
Dozko
softer
i10f
johnnyspazz
It could mean nothing, but the Mafia could have killed these people (itspaul and i10f) to show that it wasn't the Mafia voting for Cresentia/fulgrim, when they really were. But that said, The mafia would have been aiming to get someone in the position of mayor, so looking at the votes for tree.hugger:
tree.hugger - 3
d3_cresentia
~opz~
no_re
This is who everyone thought would win, as he had 4 votes before i changed mine. I changed my vote to try to screw things up because like I said, I think the Mafia would have wanted the Mayor position the most, and the Mafia thought tree.hugger would have won (which he did) since he was in the lead. Any more votes for him would have caused a tie for sheriff, and at that point in the game, we didn't know what would have happened in a tie. Again with wanting the position of mayor, the Mafia could have voted for Cresentia in order to put them ahead of their candidate.
So all that said, at this point the people I suspect the most are Softer and Johnnyspazz for bumping up cresentias votes towards the end, ~Opz~ for voting free tree.hugger, tree.hugger for being mayor (again because the mafia would want this position, and the mafia should have thought tree.hugger would win), and Quickstriker for the clues (which Fishball outlined, and I also think the line "Drawing something technical" points to his profile.)
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oh and also, tree.hugger, softer, and johnnyspazz also voted for the same person as the ones that died, and the reasoning behind killing Itspaul and i10f could be to make it look like none of the Mafia were voting for cresentia/fulgrim when they were (so again softer, tree.hugger, and johnnyspazz)
and also the people who abstained:
abstain - 6
jonoman92
quickstriker
shindigs
Xelin
jadefist
Velkanknight
The reason the Mafia would abstain is because since cresentia was at 5, and tree.hugger at 4, and the other people were at 2/3, so they didn't need any more votes.
The reason a townie would abstain is because they just don't know who to vote for.
And incase someone asks: Iaaan, if you thought tree.hugger was mafia, why didn't you bump someone elses vote up to 4 instead of causing a tie? Its because then, by my own logic, I would consider myself to be Mafia, cause going right at the end and choosing exactly who I want to be mayor, the position that is best for the Mafia to have would again, by my own logic, make people think I was Mafia.
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and last things I can think of right now before I leave for a few hours: The "Broken flower vase" could point to cresentia, but It could also point to tree.hugger, because his name has a tree in it. And IIRC his picture if a dude from Dr.Seuss who's species lived on a flower, but then the flower got destroyed. so that could also point to tree.hugger, although I don't think a ton of emphasis should be put on clues, just that they should be used to support suspicion.
And you guys should all read my posts, I think I made some good points that you should all read, consider, then take apart any flaws in my logic, or say if you think its reasonable. I am going to vote to lynch Johnnyspazz for the time being, since he was the last person to vote for Cresentia. But to you specifically Johnnyspazz, I ask you not to get angry at me for this, but if I'm wrong, prove to me that I am.
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and srsly read my walls of txt.
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My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant.
1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing"
2) iplaythings+ Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game"
3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night.
4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong."
5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame.
6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact.
Out of the bolded ones I believe the clue towards drinking is the most believable, since it is not very obvious but it still is not too far fetched. However the clue towards softer is very strong since we have a match of a whole sentence.
Given that both these have had clue references in day 1 (i.e. the water for drinking and "tenderly" for softer) i currently believe that these two are the most likely to be mafia.
Therefore I will vote for softer to be lynched for now, unless i hear some convincing arguments in his defense, since he has not replied in his defense to my day1 post stating the "tenderness" clue and he generally is keeping a low profile, but people should keep an eye on drinking as well since his clue is very persuasive IMO.
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Well then, I feel so much better now after taking a breeze outside the entire day. God, that was indeed a nightmare yesterday.... (referring to MSL finals that never occurred in the first place. Yes, I am in denial, stage 1 of grief)
Now, I have looked at the past posts, especially made by fishball and laaan whom both does make a good point in terms of highlighting and picking parts of the text for clues. I do applaud for that. I strongly suggest everyone to look over and think to yourselves of making conclusions of who you think the mafia might be, as well as, share your input to the matter.
What I want to say now isn't a repeat of what others have said above me. As I mentioned previously in regards to checking what the dead people statements were before they died, and also who they voted and etc, toplexa's post really got to me back earlier in the thread. His situation was something that also got me in my mind. He was a replacement of someone who dropped out of this game, and as soon as he came in, it as seem he had make an account in TL just to play this game, as his first post ever in his account was in fact, in this game. He outlined statements that others haven't really looked at, and before you know it, he was found dead the next day. Toplexa wasn't able to explain himself fully of the context of the text he picked that was different from what others saw, as most have just seen the 2 words of the text mostly as "Quick attack" as of refers to me. However, toplexa highlighted something different and did not highlight that 2 words of the text. Everyone, I strongly suggest to take a look at what I am trying to point out and what toplexa have pointed out, as I feel there might be a connection between a clue and lead to a possible mafia.
I have to be going now since I have a dinner appointment at T.G.I. Fridays so I will be back later if anyone posted or I'll post more with exactly what I want to say in regards to that and also another matter that includes our mayor and sheriff that could be deemed possible suspicion...
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Sound clues IF they are clues, possible link:
IloveKt
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I also suggest the possibility of using our town powers of "Double Lynch" for Day 3. We cannot use that now as rules state we gotta vote on it first before using the ability in one day advance. I'm sure by Day 3, we will have more clues and leads of who the mafia might be. That is my final food for thought for couple of hours.
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On January 24 2010 09:57 dozko wrote:My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant. 1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing" 2) iplaythings + Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game" 3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night. 4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong." 5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame. 6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact.
I've said before that I think clues should just be used to confirm other suspicions, not be the suspicion itself. But that said, I dont think any of these are significant/fit, except maybe the Shockeyy one and MAYBE just MAYBE the softer/quickstriker ones. but probably not.
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On January 24 2010 09:35 toplexa wrote:
): gg
GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[
A few points that I'd like to bring up...
Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air."
I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post:
I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol.
We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so.
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In relation to toplexa's underlined clues, can anyone make sense of them? I mean he didnt really articulate and I cant seem to come up with anything. They might be important given he was killed for his only analysis post, when no_re (like toplexa) made a single analysis post, has been silent since then and was not killed.
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I agree with Cresentia actually, iloveKT could be mafia. and I agree with using double lynch as well. I'm not suspicious about fishball at the moment tho, but nice connecting his icon to the clues.
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On January 24 2010 10:29 d3_crescentia wrote:GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[ A few points that I'd like to bring up... Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air." I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post: Show nested quote +I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol. We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so.
I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible.
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On January 24 2010 10:17 Iaaan wrote:
I've said before that I think clues should just be used to confirm other suspicions, not be the suspicion itself. But that said, I dont think any of these are significant/fit, except maybe the Shockeyy one and MAYBE just MAYBE the softer/quickstriker ones. but probably not.
I disagree with you on this laaan. I think clues should be the primary factors which generate suspicion, since we have them black on white and we know they lead to the mafia. In contrast it is much harder to judge whether a post is a clue or giveaway since it is easy for people to obscure their roles. Therefore I believe it is better to create suspicion from the narration and then verify it with posts.
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Okay that's fine, but I just think that at this point clues are less reliable, because we don't know for sure what exactly are clues, and even if we do, we can still interpret them wrong.
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On January 24 2010 11:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 10:29 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 24 2010 09:35 toplexa wrote:
): gg GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[ A few points that I'd like to bring up... Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air." I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post: I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol. We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so. I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible.
Just by looking at the players names, only VelkanKnight can be associated with blades directly.
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On January 24 2010 11:11 Iaaan wrote:
Okay that's fine, but I just think that at this point clues are less reliable, because we don't know for sure what exactly are clues, and even if we do, we can still interpret them wrong.
Fair enough, but thats what makes the game hard and interesting
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On January 24 2010 11:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 10:29 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 24 2010 09:35 toplexa wrote:
): gg GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[ A few points that I'd like to bring up... Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air." I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post: I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol. We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so. I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible.
I figured it'd be a common occurrence; it isn't personal at all. Like I said, what I'm more interested in is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air" could mean, because I think that's a more substantial clue.
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Looks like we are in quite a bit of trouble
Just got back from visiting my brother for a few days so will now be more active.
Had a breif look over the clues and a lot of profiles and nothing has really jumped out so far.
I agree with most of what XeLiN has said so far, and also suspect mostly QuickStriker.
Will go to bed now and look more at the clues/go into more detail over my thoughts tomorrow when I wake up
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Day 2
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position. He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.
I decided to write down my first impressions of the night 1 post before I read anyone else's so my ideas might be more original. Hopefully not many overlaps
Ok so it really sucks that the mafia got BOTH vigis, but I guess its better to have medics still in tact. After reading this I also went through and highlighted the things I thought were significant. Some of the things I could tie back, others I don't really know. There is ANOTHER reference to drinking, when it talks about liquor. This could indicate drinking, or Iplaythings who's signature talks about thirst and water.
Another more far-fetched connection are the words wrong, wrong and mistake which could point to JoxxOr who's signature is WScript.echo('You Fail');
(fail of course being the connection)
Both long object and the mafia guy drawing something technical stood out to me as being odd, but I couldn't see a connection to anything. I feel like alot of things in here were awkwardly worded but couldn't connect much to anyone else.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2010 08:37 Iaaan wrote:
and just because I think it might be relevant, I will post some stuff about the voting.
fulgrim - 3
tree.hugger
itspaul
decafchicken
d3_cresentia - 5
Fishball
Dozko
softer
i10f
johnnyspazz
It could mean nothing, but the Mafia could have killed these people (itspaul and i10f) to show that it wasn't the Mafia voting for Cresentia/fulgrim, when they really were. But that said, The mafia would have been aiming to get someone in the position of mayor, so looking at the votes for tree.hugger:
tree.hugger - 3
d3_cresentia
~opz~
no_re
This is who everyone thought would win, as he had 4 votes before i changed mine. I changed my vote to try to screw things up because like I said, I think the Mafia would have wanted the Mayor position the most, and the Mafia thought tree.hugger would have won (which he did) since he was in the lead. Any more votes for him would have caused a tie for sheriff, and at that point in the game, we didn't know what would have happened in a tie. Again with wanting the position of mayor, the Mafia could have voted for Cresentia in order to put them ahead of their candidate.
So all that said, at this point the people I suspect the most are Softer and Johnnyspazz for bumping up cresentias votes towards the end, ~Opz~ for voting free tree.hugger, tree.hugger for being mayor (again because the mafia would want this position, and the mafia should have thought tree.hugger would win), and Quickstriker for the clues (which Fishball outlined, and I also think the line "Drawing something technical" points to his profile.)
I agree that its interesting to look at the three people who died. It would be hard for the mafia to have known that 2/3 of them were blue (although they might have suspected toplexa for replacing someone), and these people really didn't post much (toplexa was saying that he was going to post some analysis.) So in my opinion the cause of their deaths was one of three things, feel free to disagree, but I think these are the only scenarios
1) One or several of the three had accidentally contacted a mafia member through pm's and had revealed their role to them
2) The mafia did it to affect our perceptions of the day 1 election (who they voted for and why)
3) Mafia just chose three random people
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I'll be back later... gonna watch sAviOr all-killing eStro today... so brb/afk
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well iaaan, thats a pretty deep analysis of my voting. i know it makes me look suspicious but i am 100% green. not sure what i can really do to prove my innocence. i voted for d3_crescentia because i thought he was the most valuable person we had, totally forgetting how sheriff/mayor voting worked.
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Blah, too late and tired to think and post. I'm gonna sleep after my failed fantasy SC setup failing my failed predictions of the failness matches. I'll wake up tomorrow (or today rather) and look at all the clues, see what other people posted and make comments and suggestions afterwards. Like I have stated over again and again from the very beginning of the game, the purpose for me in this game is to guide fellow novices of the TL mafia game and helping the town lead its way to a positive direction. And this is in regardless of who I might be in the ultimate end when all of you find out.
With that, I'll leave with my final statement of the night:
I highly recommend to consider the townies to vote for double lynch on Day 3 in the voting thread like I did. By getting the majority of townies to get this vote to pass, we can get 2 people off the next day and with the clues incoming in on day 3 by then and also what we have now, I am certain we can find 2 people to lynch easier.
One can interpret this tactic also for the mafias to make better thought and use to get rid of non-mafia members quicker using psychology, however for me, it is to have the game move along faster, and also can come out in a better position than what we have now. Sure it's a risky move as this is like betting a lot of money or even going all-in in terms of SC or poker as we can come out in a more positive outcome or a worse outcome. However, I think it's worth the risk. Good night!
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Quickstriker seems to me to be our best bet for a lynch. Both days we get a hint of a quick attack. Seems to me like that sort of thing is what a hint is supposed to look like to me.
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On January 24 2010 11:07 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 10:17 Iaaan wrote:
I've said before that I think clues should just be used to confirm other suspicions, not be the suspicion itself. But that said, I dont think any of these are significant/fit, except maybe the Shockeyy one and MAYBE just MAYBE the softer/quickstriker ones. but probably not. I disagree with you on this laaan. I think clues should be the primary factors which generate suspicion, since we have them black on white and we know they lead to the mafia. In contrast it is much harder to judge whether a post is a clue or giveaway since it is easy for people to obscure their roles. Therefore I believe it is better to create suspicion from the narration and then verify it with posts.
Yeah but you are likely to say that Dozko as it is your posts that have labelled you a cigar chewing Mafia bandit and not the clues yet.
I agree with Voting double lynch on our first day and my two picks would be Dozko and Quickstriker.
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Update-
Johnnyspazz - 3
Quickstriker - 3
Softer - 2
Double lynch votes - 4
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Johnnyspazz - 3
Quickstriker - 4
Softer - 2
Double lynch votes - 4
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Xelin, your conviction that I am mafia is reminding me of a horse with blinders. Personal reasons are a poor motivation.
I would not ask you to reconsider the posts or the clues, since I see nothing I say will change your viewpoint but keeping an open mind is a useful talent toi have in mafia games.
The double vote is a good idea methinks, however shouldnt people put 2 lynch choices in the vote thread instead of 1? Choice 1 if a single lynch and choices 1 + 2 if a double.
I am suspicious of softer and drinking as I have posted before and will therefore augment my vote.
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I have this feeling that either tree.hugger or d3 are mafia. We obviously know that at least one of the candidates is mafia, and d3 seemed to pick up a couple of votes at the end.
Also Quickstriker was running for a short period of time and withdrew for some reason. From his posts I don't think he's mafia, but both day clues point to him... He has abstained on every vote so far which I find a bit suspicious.
Depending on what Quickstriker is, I think Xelin is the opposite... (though he seems more like mafia then Quick, has accused more people of being mafia)
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Tbh i don't think accusations in themselves are a reliable sign of being Mafia, have to look at why and the justifications behind them. Also some Mafia may err on the side of not being very assertive or direct in acusing people as they know people may regard it as suspicious.
Either way I think after Quickstriker is shown to be red it may be more obvious that I am Green
I also stand by what I said earlier on if quickstriker is Green I will happily walk the plank and not put up a defence. (be lynched)
shame Dozko won't be lynched as I am far more certain of him than Quickstriker...
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Good morning everyone. My my, it seems I'm next to be lynched and hanged by the town. Well, I suppose it will be the best interest for the both of us if everyone feels that way. I'm already getting sick and annoyed by the fact that there's so many inactives and also the intelligence you people seem to play. I'll rather focus my attention on the other game rather than helping some novices to guide a direction.
Just you know, since I already see a repeat from Mafia VII, I won't rage hard but I will give my final thoughts and statement by the end of the day to give my last advice for you town whether I'm dead by the town or the mafia, since I'm bound to be dead anyway. But then again, when I'm dead, HOPEFULLY everyone here would get a spark in their heads and know who to vote for or who to lead to next. Perhaps it might be wrong as well, but like I stated, I suggest all of you to vote for double lynch again as I don't see enough.
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On January 25 2010 01:39 Fulgrim wrote:
I have this feeling that either tree.hugger or d3 are mafia. We obviously know that at least one of the candidates is mafia, and d3 seemed to pick up a couple of votes at the end.
Also Quickstriker was running for a short period of time and withdrew for some reason. From his posts I don't think he's mafia, but both day clues point to him... He has abstained on every vote so far which I find a bit suspicious.
Depending on what Quickstriker is, I think Xelin is the opposite... (though he seems more like mafia then Quick, has accused more people of being mafia)
I never had the intention of running whatsoever. If you actually look within pages and pages of the thread, I never campaigned, I never stated as such, and one person just happened to vote for me. It was until I finally posted on thread I wasn't running that the one person realized and changed his vote. So don't misunderstood me, I was never interested.
I only abstained because I am not voting carelessly like others are. I will think over, read over the clues, and vote according to who I think is mafia 100%, not 40%, not 70%, and not even 90%.
And finally, yes, I feel one of the elected positions are mafia though I'm more cautious for tree.hugger for my own personal reasons.... but not enough to get me think he's mafia 100% or anything. D3, I don't know... It's possible both are mafia or neither of them.
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Also not to be misunderstood by my last post, I have read over Fulgrim previous posts and I like the thought he had put in. I do suggest people to take a look at that and share your thoughts in regards to the day 2 clue.
And sidesprang, you just popped out of this game from nowhere, isn't that more suspicious? Where were you from Day 1 and night 1 that you just happened to come out now?
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Not to mention you seem so eager to vote as soon as you came to life when you also took the liberty of listing the update of votes after you mention you want to vote for me. Maybe I'm paranoid but I think that seems weird on my book. I just want an explanation, I'm not assuming anything. Where were you until now? And why now?
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dozko, we have to vote TO HAVE a double lynch before we can actually do it on the next day.
A brief PM conversation I had with BC. Read from bottom up:
correct. They only choose who to hit. I then control who does it. That way every mafia will get used in clues as opposed to just consistantly the same people
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So getting this clear; Mafia do not have direct control over who does the killing?
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1 kp is = 1 kill.
For each kill 1 mafia will be used. 1 clue will be left by each mafia who makes a kill that night.
As for which mafia are active at night are up to me. So they could be used multiple times at this point or once.
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How do mafia hits work? Does 1KP = 1 person doing the hit? If so, does that mean that though there are 6 mafia only 3 of them could be doing hits (and thus have clues leading to them)? Are the mafia forced to alternate or can the same person do a hit twice in a row? Would these generate similar clues?
Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it.
Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives.
Following is from an older game (Mafia VII) where the mafia won. BC so kindly revealed the clues and whom they pointed to:
Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase(3clipse) before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure. (3clipse) scamp gazed up as the figure blocked the moonlight from reaching him, then he was kicked hard in the head till he died. (3clipse)
And also:
saw a garrote wire around Truthbringers neck (0cz3c) he let his wire fly around incognito’s throat, and with a bit of work, incognitos head was rolling along the floor. (0cz3c)
And for reference, BC's explanation of how they were associated:
3clipse code, eclipses, anything with the number 3
0cz3c box, decapitation, surrender, political
These are the kinds of things we should be looking for in clues. As such I'm now concerned more about the method of death and other random clues, and wondering if we can link both of the Day 1 and Day 2 clues together to see if they are suggesting the same or different people (which I believe is more of the case).
Each killer will likely be distinct from each other as far as clues go. We know that the first reference to quick was simply an attack, but the second was two quick shots - which are associated with a technical drawing. We also have a mafia with a long object, a mafia with a blade (and strange motions), a person who was near a cave/shoreline, and a person associated with the flower vase.
Conjecture: All of the mafia will have acted at least once by Day 3, and at least two of them will have acted twice.
Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before.
I believe that it follows that it is unwise to lynch QuickStriker currently, simply because the adjective 'quick' was used twice. We don't know how Ace died - it could have been shots or stabs or some bizarre martial arts blow, and the fact that it was quick shouldn't be as big as people are making it.
One more thing: we currently have 23 townies and 7 mafia. This is a difference of 16 people, or 4 more days of killing people assuming we all hit townies each time, and that there are no vigis/medics active. Using a double lynch once will take us down to 3 days, but if we do it twice in a row (or even not) there will still be three days left. I encourage everyone to vote for a double-lynch tomorrow at the very least.
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Ok now I understand, I hadn't seen you actually starting to campaign for office, but I assumed I had just missed it because someone voted for you.
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So following d3's thoughts, I decided to try and look for the different mafia members
Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. MAFIA 1 Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. MAFIA 2 Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. MAFIA 3 When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. MAFIA 4 As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position.MAFIA 5 He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.
Descriptions:
Mafia 1: Quick attack, Figure "drew overtop him"
We don't have alot of description about this guy besides the Quick attack (if this means anything)
Mafia 2: Broken Flower Vase, "rush of air", something sink into his shoulder
There seems to be alot more clues about this guy, but besides d3, we haven't really connected him to anyone else
Mafia 3: "Long object", "figure in the shadows", "quickly blocked", "quickly countered",
This mafia didn't actually kill either of them which could be a clue, he could also be the same as Mafia 1 who had a "quick attack" (which may indicate quickstriker) He could also be the same as mafia 2 because both of their weapons are mentioned but never said exactly what they are.
Mafia 4: "drawing something technical", "fired two shots" "ran for cover"
There are some clues about this mafia, but we have no clue what drawing something technical means, AGAIN this mafia didn't kill any of them
Mafia 5: Long blade, "hypnotically", "odd formations in the air"
This guy could potentially also be mafia 2 because of the mention of air again, but I think he is a new mafia
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Ah ok d3, thanks I thought we can have a double lynch on the day we have a majority. In that case my vote still stands as before.
For the record Im also not convinced QS is mafia and we should be weary of people jumping on lynchwagons too quickly without posting any arguments.
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On January 25 2010 02:20 d3_crescentia wrote:
Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives.
Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before.
I agreed with the first statement at first, but looking back, the adjective quick is used several times in both day1/2 posts. Maybe its still nothing, but I'm at least considering it now.
But if this second statement is correct, then looking at the use of the word quick is invalid. But I don't think its necessarily right. I think at this point, I think we shouldn't lynch Quickstriker, but definitely don't forget about him.
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On January 25 2010 04:34 Iaaan wrote:
But if this second statement is correct, then looking at the use of the word quick is invalid. But I don't think its necessarily right. I think at this point, I think we shouldn't lynch Quickstriker, but definitely don't forget about him.
Yes, I don't believe it's necessarily the truth either, but I am fairly certain that many of today's clues would have referenced other mafia members seeing as there are seven of them. I think that the clues are arranged to be deliberately confounding at this point in time.
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I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.
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On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.
You follower, I really suspect you being a mafia. First you lie when you join the game, On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before!
But, I don't have enough evidence yet to say this with a 100% sureness. Another person I really think might be fishball. Since both of you show up at random times. Not only that, fishball is the only person with a Dark Templar in his name. If you guys have ever watched that SC2 trailer with the DT jumping and doing somersaults all over the place, it reminds me of the clues that they left for us. Not only that DT's have blades.
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On January 25 2010 02:20 d3_crescentia wrote:dozko, we have to vote TO HAVE a double lynch before we can actually do it on the next day. A brief PM conversation I had with BC. Read from bottom up: Show nested quote +correct. They only choose who to hit. I then control who does it. That way every mafia will get used in clues as opposed to just consistantly the same people
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So getting this clear; Mafia do not have direct control over who does the killing?
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1 kp is = 1 kill.
For each kill 1 mafia will be used. 1 clue will be left by each mafia who makes a kill that night.
As for which mafia are active at night are up to me. So they could be used multiple times at this point or once.
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How do mafia hits work? Does 1KP = 1 person doing the hit? If so, does that mean that though there are 6 mafia only 3 of them could be doing hits (and thus have clues leading to them)? Are the mafia forced to alternate or can the same person do a hit twice in a row? Would these generate similar clues?
Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it. Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives. Following is from an older game (Mafia VII) where the mafia won. BC so kindly revealed the clues and whom they pointed to: Show nested quote +Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase(3clipse) before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast Show nested quote +As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure. (3clipse) Show nested quote +scamp gazed up as the figure blocked the moonlight from reaching him, then he was kicked hard in the head till he died. (3clipse) And also: Show nested quote +he let his wire fly around incognito’s throat, and with a bit of work, incognitos head was rolling along the floor. (0cz3c) And for reference, BC's explanation of how they were associated: Show nested quote +3clipse code, eclipses, anything with the number 3
0cz3c box, decapitation, surrender, political These are the kinds of things we should be looking for in clues. As such I'm now concerned more about the method of death and other random clues, and wondering if we can link both of the Day 1 and Day 2 clues together to see if they are suggesting the same or different people (which I believe is more of the case). Each killer will likely be distinct from each other as far as clues go. We know that the first reference to quick was simply an attack, but the second was two quick shots - which are associated with a technical drawing. We also have a mafia with a long object, a mafia with a blade (and strange motions), a person who was near a cave/shoreline, and a person associated with the flower vase. Conjecture: All of the mafia will have acted at least once by Day 3, and at least two of them will have acted twice. Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before. I believe that it follows that it is unwise to lynch QuickStriker currently, simply because the adjective 'quick' was used twice. We don't know how Ace died - it could have been shots or stabs or some bizarre martial arts blow, and the fact that it was quick shouldn't be as big as people are making it. One more thing: we currently have 23 townies and 7 mafia. This is a difference of 16 people, or 4 more days of killing people assuming we all hit townies each time, and that there are no vigis/medics active. Using a double lynch once will take us down to 3 days, but if we do it twice in a row (or even not) there will still be three days left. I encourage everyone to vote for a double-lynch tomorrow at the very least.
Good post. I always welcome people with different point of views that actually makes sense.
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On January 25 2010 05:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching. You follower, I really suspect you being a mafia. First you lie when you join the game, Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before! But, I don't have enough evidence yet to say this with a 100% sureness. Another person I really think might be fishball. Since both of you show up at random times. Not only that, fishball is the only person with a Dark Templar in his name. If you guys have ever watched that SC2 trailer with the DT jumping and doing somersaults all over the place, it reminds me of the clues that they left for us. Not only that DT's have blades.
Lol i was being sarcastic because Ace said there was a lot of newbies or something and i've played like 2-3 games with him.
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On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.
That's is actually what I'm thinking too. It just seems a little bit too easy.
I recall in previous Mafia games, ShadowDrgn keeps getting lynch because of "dark shadow, flame" clues in those games, but every time, he was just an innocent townie. Poor thing...
This would also make sense that I couldn't relate the "long object in hand" clue to QS. If what d3_crescentia stated were true, the clues in Day 1 and Day 2 would be pointing to two different people instead of the same one.
With that being said, the "quick" and "figure" clues are still on the table which I don't mind taking a shot at.
The second guy that I would like to keep an eye on would be IloveKt, as stated on page 26, and brought up by a couple others as well.
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To be honest, the chances of the town winning is pretty slim.
23 players left, 7 Mafia, 16 Townies.
With 2 Vigilantes and a Detective dead, we pretty much have to ace every single lynch, and Medics would have to make the right choices every night.
What makes it even worse, is that BC said half the blues are inactive...
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If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
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On January 25 2010 07:41 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, the chances of the town winning is pretty slim.
23 players left, 7 Mafia, 16 Townies.
With 2 Vigilantes and a Detective dead, we pretty much have to ace every single lynch, and Medics would have to make the right choices every night.
What makes it even worse, is that BC said half the blues are inactive...
You're pretty much right.
As I've said before, we have 4 days left in the game if we continue using our single lynches, and 3 days even if we use both of our double lynches - but this is only speaking in terms of survival. We can maybe buy another day if the medics are successful in predicting/covering mafia hits, but they have to be 100% perfect.
If we manage to hit at least 2 mafia in the next few days then by my count we should have another day on top of that. Double-lynching will give us a better chance to accomplish that, even if we lose extra townies.
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On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
This is a stretch. I've seen the anime in question and would be more convinced if there was a chess or strategist metaphor.
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On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg:
- RoyW
An enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown
- Jonoman92
Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology
Just another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
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On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
I remember looking up the definition of arcology before Day 2 and threw it out because it wasn't relevant to Day 1 clues. Now things have changed. I think there is a substantial connection here to either of these two players, though I feel the RoyW connection is a bit weaker. Overall I do think it's better than most of the other clue-linking attempts we've made so far.
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I think we need to kill 3 mafia before their kill power goes down, since its the number of mafia/2 rounded up.
And I think that is actually a pretty good connection to Jonoman92, and also RoyW maybe.
Both of them have been mostly lurking, but still voting, and I think that RoyW is either dumb, or he's just been coming in the thread with accusations to make people angry at each other. and I think anyone who does that is bad for the town.
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edit: googleing RoyW, Roy W Brown is the first guy that comes up, so that I think makes it more likely to be choosen for a clue.
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Another interesting thing is the figures drawn with the blade. Now of course that having a DT as your icon is likely to bring in lots of speculation, but I think maybe this time the additional detail put in is significant.
I am of course talking about the DT's attack animation and how it leaves a gray shape. Given that all the clues d3_crescentia posted from previous games were given in the killing method plus the additional match with the drawing of figures in the air could very well be a big clue.
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But then again fishball's clue digging on other members is well creative so its hard to incriminate him.
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On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
nice spot, I think as posted above that the link to jonoman is stronger than to royw
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Sorry for not posting much this weekend, I've been out skiing and didn't have computer access!
I dunno, linking technical drawing to my aka to a wiki article is kinda far imo. And if you look what an arcology is, it doesn't have much to do with drawing.
I also don't think QuickStriker is mafia just because the word quick has been used in the clue entries. I just don't see bloodycobbler making it that obvious.
In day two the phrase "valiant struggle" and "blade" make me think they could be clues linking to VelkanKnight.
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References to "long" weapons also made me think of VelkanKnight as Knights often have a lance when jousting.
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On January 25 2010 10:38 no_re wrote:
References to "long" weapons also made me think of VelkanKnight as Knights often have a lance when jousting.
The only thing is, I doubt a knight can do flips in the air, lol.
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On January 25 2010 09:48 dozko wrote:
But then again fishball's clue digging on other members is well creative so its hard to incriminate him.
So? What if he's digging these clues so he can just slide under our noses? What if these clues lead us to killing townies. I only agree with royw, cause him and xelin are my top suspcious people.
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And ever since XeliN has been called out plenty of times, he just stops posting. And now we rarely see him posting.
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Honestly I think Xelin is a townie, hes just kinda angry/irrational
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I like this, the fact that everyone is working together as a team. This is what we should have been from the start. I would like it more if townies who are either intentionally being quiet or simply inactive to get out of that bubble and give their input but I really enjoy reading people's comment from the last couple of pages and onwards.
I don't really have anything to add at the moment but I'm glad people are stepping up and giving inputs regardless of the direction the town has. I think a lot of people are still misunderstood of the concept of voting for double lynch first which can be used for the next day, not the day when we voted. And according to the statistic, we may live another day since this is a big risk, but at the same time, if we are able to narrow and take down 2 mafias instead of 1, plus one today, we can potentially be in a really great shape, as well as reducing the mafia's kill power.
That and the sheriff's ability to disable one's ability during the night helps too.
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On January 25 2010 11:08 Iaaan wrote:
Honestly I think Xelin is a townie, hes just kinda angry/irrational
I don't see why that behavior would lead you to believe he is a townie any more than mafia.
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On January 25 2010 10:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 09:48 dozko wrote:
But then again fishball's clue digging on other members is well creative so its hard to incriminate him. So? What if he's digging these clues so he can just slide under our noses? What if these clues lead us to killing townies. I only agree with royw, cause him and xelin are my top suspcious people.
Fair enough, and I am indeed suspicious of him after seeing that post by d3, where most of the clues were given in the way the murder was carried out.
Couple this with his voting pattern is making me contemplate changing my vote.
Ill sleep over it for now though.
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On January 25 2010 11:38 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 11:08 Iaaan wrote:
Honestly I think Xelin is a townie, hes just kinda angry/irrational I don't see why that behavior would lead you to believe he is a townie any more than mafia.
I think that people who accuse or are rude look like mafia to some people, simply because they don't like them, and for a townie, mafia is associated with badness and rude/angry people are associated with badness, and thus mafia. Of course its irrational, but i think thats why a few people are suspicious of Xelin, and thus the reason for my post.
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all you people voting for me really need to reconsider your options.
none of the clues really point towards me. there are definitely better choices based solely based off clues
from what i read, you guys are voting for me because i voted last minute and gave the mayor position to tree.hugger and that looks suspicious because you think tree.hugger is mafia? thats pretty absurd if you ask me. think about it, me and I10f voted at the same exact time and he turned out to be blue.
if i turn out to be one lynched, then you guys are definitely going to be disappointed when i turn out to be green.
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On January 25 2010 02:06 QuickStriker wrote:
And sidesprang, you just popped out of this game from nowhere, isn't that more suspicious? Where were you from Day 1 and night 1 that you just happened to come out now?
I''ve been here lurking. Reading the posts but have not really had anything to contribute, i've voted on all the elections doing my part as a citizen of this town. Hoping that i have not giving the power to the mafia. And that is more than i can say for you, not voting when ppl are inactive is the best way to ensure that the mafia gets their will.
On January 25 2010 02:07 QuickStriker wrote:
Not to mention you seem so eager to vote as soon as you came to life when you also took the liberty of listing the update of votes after you mention you want to vote for me. Maybe I'm paranoid but I think that seems weird on my book. I just want an explanation, I'm not assuming anything. Where were you until now? And why now?
I updated the poll because i noticed that fulgrim posted wrong numbers, so why should i not correct him? If i seem wierd to you well then there is nothing i can do about that i guess.
There is no clue towards me at this point, and i dont think i've said anything to "prove/think" that im a mafia/blue/townie.
But there are definatly clues towards you beeing mafia, and you can't deny that.
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Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here?
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On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here?
Exactly what I'd like to know...
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My angry irrational influence is probably spreading..
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If the people changing would like to openly post there reasons here so that I can respond to them it would be most wonderful.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
It's difficult to see such a lack of consensus on this first day of voting. But at some point I need to cast a vote, so let me write through my thinking and maybe I can make up my mind en route.
To me the most amount of evidence points to Quickstriker. We've mentioned the repeated references to 'quick' deaths, but what has also interested me is how 'drawing' has appeared (albeit subtly) in both stories.
Here's Day 1-
the figure drew overtop
and Day 2-
drawing something technical
QS and d3 are the two players in this game (aside from my own picture, which is of the title character from Dr. Seuss's book The Lorax) which have an illustration in their profiles. If the emphasis is on the drawing in Day2, and the figure of speech used in Day1 was used intentionally, then I see Quickstriker as the most logical choice for lynching.
Unfortunately, the possible references to QS on Day 2 are in separate murders. Here's what else bothers me; the two shots. It seemed to me from the beginning that this HAS to be a clue. Why two shots, when one would've done just fine. In fact, since neither shot hits anyone, the whole episode with the technical drawing and the two shots seems to be the most overt clue we've gathered yet. I can think of two possible meanings- either the user has "2" in their name (of which there are 2 such users.) or it refers to a name with two parts, such as "tree.hugger", "Quickstriker", or "RoyW".
Now to the technical drawing, which has been astutely investigated, with the evidence suggesting Jonoman92 and RoyW, In contrast to everyone else, I found the connection to RoyW the most satisfying, because it seemed to me the right balance between simple to understand and difficult to find. Yet, of my theories of what the number of shots signifies, I find the connection to Jonoman92 much stronger.
Then who? Softer is also up for lynching, and although our evidence against him amounts to a single sentence, the explanation for that is sound, and has really never been challenged, although it hasn't really been backed up either. ILoveKT seems also to have strong evidence against him, yet the interest in lynching him has been minimal, probably wisely as he has not really ever posted and therefore is less of a malign influence than another poster would be.
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So what's bothering me at the moment, is that almost all of our choices are based on conjecture (QS) and personality (XeliN) and there's really nothing for me to go on. I'm going to wait a little bit more, hear what more of you have to say (hopefully people will post!), and go to spanish class, and then we'll see where we are.
Also, I watched 12 Angry Men last night, and it reminded me of this. Great play, great movie.
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On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here?
mafia coordinated attack? :o
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On January 26 2010 01:23 no_re wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here? mafia coordinated attack? :o
There's actually a lot of reasons as to why he's a mafia. You just have to look through the thread.
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tree.hugger, I'd just like to point out that the reasoning for two shots is because there were two people watching him (l10f, toplexa) in the narrative of the clue. I'm not trying to dismiss your claim; I just feel pretty uncertain about it since it seemed natural to me that he would fire two shots at two targets. We'll have to see in a following day whether or not that's right.
I do agree that neither QS nor XeliN merits a lynch at this point. I'd rather go for Jonoman92 or RoyW at this point in time...
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On January 26 2010 01:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 01:23 no_re wrote:On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here? mafia coordinated attack? :o There's actually a lot of reasons as to why he's a mafia. You just have to look through the thread.
There's no real indication of Xelin being Mafia, unless you take his inconsistent post frequency as some sort of tenuous link. You have been continuously pushing for his lynching without evidence, ShoCkeyy, and I don't believe that he is guilty.
But based on where the voting thread and this thread are going, I can see us digging ourselves deeper by voting off Xelin and then voting off me. Add that to another 6 Mafia night kills, and we'll be left with a 15-7 ratio. (can we even win from there)
I do like the direction the game is now going in, with actual review of the possible clues. I have nothing to add to what has already been assessed after last night. I wasn't around at the time due to travelling to Sweden, but I should be around much more for the rest of the week.
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On January 26 2010 02:04 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 01:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 26 2010 01:23 no_re wrote:On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here? mafia coordinated attack? :o There's actually a lot of reasons as to why he's a mafia. You just have to look through the thread. There's no real indication of Xelin being Mafia, unless you take his inconsistent post frequency as some sort of tenuous link. You have been continuously pushing for his lynching without evidence, ShoCkeyy, and I don't believe that he is guilty. But based on where the voting thread and this thread are going, I can see us digging ourselves deeper by voting off Xelin and then voting off me. Add that to another 6 Mafia night kills, and we'll be left with a 15-7 ratio. (can we even win from there) I do like the direction the game is now going in, with actual review of the possible clues. I have nothing to add to what has already been assessed after last night. I wasn't around at the time due to travelling to Sweden, but I should be around much more for the rest of the week.
If day 3 yields some critical clues, then yes... it's possible to win from there, as long as everyone is active.
If anyone wants to know about why I voted for RoyW, it's because that BC has pulled these kinds of clues before:
I know the "siege" clue was for so no fek and here's how the connection is made You go to google and instead of searching his name, "so no fek" you search "sonofek" This has 1090 results for it, but you are supposed to really search for "sonofka" which google suggests But you are not supposed to click on the first result for sonofka, but the second which brings up this page WHICH IS AN INCEST / PEDO SITE (NSFW): http://www.realedenplace.com/phpbb/viewthread.php?tid=4857One of the users is named sonofka, and underneath their username they have a board rank conqueror. And because using the word conqueror would have been obvious, what do conquerors do? siege.
Though at this point I'm 50-50 on Jonoman/RoyW.
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First laan calls me angry now Tree.hugger is calling my personality as a whole into question.
I'm gonna need therapy after this thread
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you have been pissing some people off ;p But for everyone voting for Xelin, if you really honestly think he is mafia, your going to have to post something alot more comprehensive that just "oh go look through the thread, there is plenty of evidence." that doesn't convince anyone.
I agree with Cresentia about RoyW and Jonoman92 being possibilities, but If I vote for them at this point, my vote would be wasted since there would still only be 2 votes.
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On January 26 2010 04:53 Iaaan wrote:
you have been pissing some people off ;p But for everyone voting for Xelin, if you really honestly think he is mafia, your going to have to post something alot more comprehensive that just "oh go look through the thread, there is plenty of evidence." that doesn't convince anyone.
I agree with Cresentia about RoyW and Jonoman92 being possibilities, but If I vote for them at this point, my vote would be wasted since there would still only be 2 votes.
Blargh, might as well. I just really, really disagree with voting either Xelin or QS and was hoping to write up a convincing argument.
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^ I agree, I doubt either of them are Mafia, I voted for softer ;p
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wonder when BC is gonna show up...
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The air is thick with anticipation ^^
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so can someone explain why people are voing to lynch me?
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strike that i apologize for posting before reading the actual voting thread
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Ugh ok so voting is closed, I posted seconds after BC closed the thread....
johnnyspazz - 1 (JadeFist ) 2 if you count my late vote =P
softer - 7 (dozko, johnnyspazz, laaan, d3_crescentia, tree.hugger*3)
QuickStriker - 4 (xelin, sidesprang, no_re, royw)
VelkanKnight - 1 (Jonoman92)
Xelin - 3 (shockeyy, haster27, ~OpZ~)
Double Lynch - 14/30
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im said we didnt get the double lynch to pass, god what is up with the number of ppl not voting at all in this game
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Well hopefully BC will still count my 2 second late post, so we do get double lynch
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Night 2
The town once again met together, and cast their votes. Soon after the man softer was walked to the gallows. He said no words of regret, he said nothing at all. When the rope drew tight around his neck, softer changed colour, and his eyes rolled back. The Townie was dead.
All night roles toss me your actions. Day ends in 24-36 hours.
Double lynch will be in use for day 3
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Hmmm. Could've been worse, I guess. Could've been much better.
I'm not so sure about Double Lynch. Feels like we could've used it whenever, so here's to hoping we get the right clues in the next day post.
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Yes! so he did count my vote. Clutch vote if I ever saw one. Unfortunately looks like we lynched our second townie. These are the guys who voted for softer: dozko, johnnyspazz, laaan, d3_crescentia, tree.hugger*3. Both elected officials....
It looks like quickstriker abstained for a 3rd time....
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bah, I'm unsurprised
the reason I'm proposing double lynches is because we have about 3 days left whether we choose to or not to lynch, and it'd be better to try and hit as many mafia as possible
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I already considered Tree.hugger Johnnyspazz and Dozko as being prime suspects for Mafia, well Tree and Johnny, Dozko is more of a certainty.
I am very curious to hear Cresentia and Laaan's deeper explanation to their votes. I very much do not suspect Laaan and am suprised he voted Softer, cresentia I am more suspicious of.
Before this i posted a link to my friend of the 7 suspects I would choose, at a push, to be Mafia
ShoCkey
Dozko
Quickstriker
Haster
~OpZ~
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Haster is dubious, all he is done is somewhat irrationally voted for me and given some of my posts its more than possible he could have just got the wrong idea and believed I am Mafia. As such Cresentia could be the substitute for Haster.
For the love of god can we plz Lynch one of these next round, if we go one more time with lynching a Townie this game is completely lost, as of now it is barely salvagable.
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The next obvious target, although they could choose from many, for the Mafia to try to get lynched would be Royw, look out for this, some of them have already tried to associate "clues" with him if you are a Townie I urge you not to vote for him.
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what does it mean by softer changed colors? o:
Softer was not my first choice of who to kill, but at the moment I thought he was more likely then quickstriker, Xelin, or johnnyspazz
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and btw my name is spelt ian not Lan
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On January 26 2010 08:26 Iaaan wrote:
what does it mean by softer changed colors? o:
Softer was not my first choice of who to kill, but at the moment I thought he was more likely then quickstriker, Xelin, or johnnyspazz
it's a description of being hanged (your head turns blue/black from lack of oxygen)
Actually, my reasoning is actually about the same as Iaaan's; none of the current candidates were who I'd like to lynch, and so I decided to vote for someone for who it seemed possible AND to prevent any sort of other last-minute switches from overtaking it. I was 50-50 on Jonoman/Roy after someone had posted the technical-drawing clues, but in the end I felt like my vote was simply being wasted, so I went back to my original plan.
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Bad turn of events, but to be honest the guy only had 1-2 posts in the thread so its not like he was an asset plus he had a good clue to his name IMO.
I guess now we should pay attention only to the way someone is killed, seeing how BC gave out all real clues in there in previous games.
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damn its a shame we lynched another non-mafia, i was pretty sure softer was mafia too
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On January 26 2010 09:35 johnnyspazz wrote:
damn its a shame we lynched another non-mafia, i was pretty sure softer was mafia too
Well it just brings us closer to a mafia.
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we get more clues next right?
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On January 26 2010 11:20 johnnyspazz wrote:
we get more clues next right?
Yea in day 3.
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can't wait, im going to try and prove my innocence with the next set of clues
just you haters wait
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 26 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
can't wait, im going to try and prove my innocence with the next set of clues
just you haters wait
You only have to prove your innocence if you're mafia. Spend your time finding good clues and making good arguments, and you won't have to worry about falling under suspicion.
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During lunch break today, I was checking the voting thread and noticed tree.hugger has placed his vote on softer, and it was very close to the dead line.
In his previous post, he said:
On January 25 2010 12:40 tree.hugger wrote:
With three votes, I have tried to be cautious with this responsibility. I'm going to wait till tomorrow afternoon before I leave for class to make my vote, and I will post my reasoning for it as well. With the voting as spread out and close as it is now, whoever I vote for will almost inevitably be the person lynched, and therefore, I will be as patient as a I need to be in order to make the most rational decision. Hopefully I pick right.
I am unsure of whether I support an immediate double lynch, although I don't believe my influence is as heavy on that issue. Is using the double lynch common on the second day of voting? Is it usually successful? I'm not entirely sure that using this power is best spent on an early day, while more clues may be available at a later date. Using this power shows confidence in our guesses that I'm not 100% sure we deserve to have.
So I reserve both my votes. I'll make a choice tomorrow.
At the time, QS already had 5 votes on him. With tree.hugger's vote on softer, it brings softer's count up to 5 as well. Still, QS would have been lynched as he was the first one to 5.
But what would be the point of doing so, voting at such a late time, with a high probability of the target not being lynched? I decided to abstain my vote from QS and let it play out; Turns out this was unnecessary as Iaaan and d3_crescentia both voted softer at the last minute.
This scenario just seems a bit odd to me. Also, softer never really had any solid clues related to him.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
91!
Also yay I'm a star. Proving innocence in epic ways is pretty cool.
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On January 26 2010 14:54 Fishball wrote:
During lunch break today, I was checking the voting thread and noticed tree.hugger has placed his vote on softer, and it was very close to the dead line.
In his previous post, he said:
At the time, QS already had 5 votes on him. With tree.hugger's vote on softer, it brings softer's count up to 5 as well. Still, QS would have been lynched as he was the first one to 5.
But what would be the point of doing so, voting at such a late time, with a high probability of the target not being lynched? I decided to abstain my vote from QS and let it play out; Turns out this was unnecessary as Iaaan and d3_crescentia both voted softer at the last minute.
This scenario just seems a bit odd to me. Also, softer never really had any solid clues related to him.
Who do you think we had solid clues on, in your opinion?
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On January 26 2010 23:35 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 14:54 Fishball wrote:
During lunch break today, I was checking the voting thread and noticed tree.hugger has placed his vote on softer, and it was very close to the dead line.
In his previous post, he said:
At the time, QS already had 5 votes on him. With tree.hugger's vote on softer, it brings softer's count up to 5 as well. Still, QS would have been lynched as he was the first one to 5.
But what would be the point of doing so, voting at such a late time, with a high probability of the target not being lynched? I decided to abstain my vote from QS and let it play out; Turns out this was unnecessary as Iaaan and d3_crescentia both voted softer at the last minute.
This scenario just seems a bit odd to me. Also, softer never really had any solid clues related to him.
Who do you think we had solid clues on, in your opinion?
Sorry, I think I should reword my phrase and not use the word "solid", but I hope you get my point.
I think there were better candidates that we have discussed over the past couple days. The "Tenderly embrace" clue in Day 1 was the only linkage people thought that could have led to softer. It isn't even a direct clue (as in describing a certain mafia of their actions, appearance etc.).
tree.hugger pm'd me the following.
... my intention was to put another plausible candidate up, because I just wasn't ready to lynch QS. This was my mistake, but I figured that by tying the two, there might be a little more discussion over the options. I was not willing to either put QS away, or put someone else randomly ahead of him.
There was a bit on Day1 that may have implied softer, and I thought it was worth a bet.
I should've been more decisive, I think.
Which means he at least thinks softer was a "plausible" candidate. But given the clues so far, if one is not willing to put QS away, why pick a lesser target and put him as a "plausible" candidate?
Why would Iaaan and d3_crescentia CHANGE their vote to softer at the last moment? Something just doesn't seem to add up here.
EDIT: TYPO
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I edited my post within a minute, typo...
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Oh i died.. Just as well i suppose, really sorry about going inactive, RL hit me in the face..
GL town, go get them.
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On January 27 2010 00:24 softer wrote:
Oh i died.. Just as well i suppose, really sorry about going inactive, RL hit me in the face..
GL town, go get them.
Sorry man. =(
I had very severe doubts that the most popular candidates at the time were mafia. I changed my vote as to prevent the softer vote from being contested - simply because at the very least it wouldn't have been a very big loss for us if he turned out to be town-aligned.
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The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch
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On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch
Don't go too hasty until Day 3.
I personally won't make any decisions until then.
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Are our blues more active now and investigating things?
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Actually, that seems like a very dumb question to ask in public, since no one would actively admit that. But I would hope that they are.
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Like anything Fish I am not suggesting we rush into it but for now he would be my pick.
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On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch
I don't even think we can lynch the mayor.
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On January 27 2010 05:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch I don't even think we can lynch the mayor.
But yea, like fishball said, let day 3 come
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we can lynch the mayor if we think they are mafia; otherwise if there was a mafia mayor, they would autowin.
It is not worth it right now to lynch tree.hugger without any evidence, and I don't think that choosing softer alone is good evidence. While he benefits mafia if he is a mafia, the power of 3 votes benefits us as well. If we lynch him, it is like lynching three townies, so it is not a good choice to make at the moment.
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I thought lynching people without evidence is what we did? Might as well Lynch someone who has acted like a Mafia would rather than going on a vague "clue" or whatever poor logic you guys used to pick Softer
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On January 27 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
I thought lynching people without evidence is what we did? Might as well Lynch someone who has acted like a Mafia would rather than going on a vague "clue" or whatever poor logic you guys used to pick Softer
I will ask you again, so you may completely outline your thoughts in your reply.
What makes feel that X is mafia (where X is the name of a suspect you've listed previously)? What behavior do you find suspicious and why?
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Iv'e tried to systematically line out reasons clearly in some of my earlier posts but seeing as how the Mafia's technique of making vague associations and arguments seems to work so well there seams no reason not to save some time and use it also.
But sure i will go over the reasons later on about Tree.
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honestly i voted for softer because of his quote in his profile. I thought the quote "don't believe your eyes" was connected to do "hypnotizing" blades.
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waiting for day 3 and a new batch of clues
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On January 27 2010 08:46 RoyW wrote:waiting for day 3 and a new batch of clues
You scared you might be in those close? Lol.
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Clues* wooow what a fail, I just woke up. Lol.
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Wow shockeyy, 1500 posts for a reaver icon ^^
Anyway I think that because 1) every day 3 people from the mob participate in the killings 2) BC's rotating them so that not a single person appears too many times in the clues; it is safe to assume that after the dawn of day 3 every mafia member would have done at least one of the kills.
Now we have a double lynch which I think is a good thing because theoretically we now have all the info we need. If we dont lynch any mafia with 3 days' worth of clues then the marginal helpfulness of further ones is surely diminishing.
I think we need to focus first and foremost on identifying recurring patterns within the clues and looking at them more generally (i.e. not hinging on adjectives/sentences alone since that didnt help us so far, but looking more for concepts and themes) . Ill be doing a massive analysis of the 3 days' worth of clues in parallel so hopefully that will shed some light, since I am a bit confused at this point.
Also one thing I want to, tentatively (because it is based a lot on my opinion), suggest is that we use at least one of the lynches on an election candidate. Reasons for that being:
1) A lot of people are inactive and as I convinced myself after last night's lynch, inactivity + single word clues are not the way forwards. Sure these people are not very helpful and some might be mafia, but I severely doubt that any (or the strong majority in any case) of the reds will downplay their presence to such an extent as being inactive.
2) I am convinced that the mafia ran at least one member for election, therefore it is a good idea to lynch at least one of them because 1/4 is certainly good odds and that theory makes sense.
Now to conclude currently I am presenting to you two ideas for your consideration (and pls agree/disagree since I am slightly annoyed at the inactivity of the game):
I - We lynch only among the active people in the game - i.e. those with more than a few meaningful posts.
II - We lynch one of the election candidates - i.e. d3_crescentia, tree.hugger, fulgrim and Iaaan.
Of those 4, my gut feeling is that d3 is not mafia - however I have no evidence to back this up and so it will be good if all posters say which person (if such exists) they 100% believe is a townie, so feel free to disagree.
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Well doing II means that we will lynch either me or Iaaan because we don't have enough evidence to convict either elected officials. (Imagine lynching d3 and him turning up green XP) If enough people in the town are behind this then I guess one of us will have to die, which is a shame because I really don't think Iaaan is mafia.
On the other hand we could start lynching "Active" people, but I have a hunch that there are few active posting mafia this game, most of them are probably lurking and just popping in to say something/accuse another player. I am suspicious of Xelin being mafia (although there aren't really any clues to support this, just by behavior) And of d3 because of the "pot of flowers", and some of his votes. I have no idea why Quickstriker abstained all three votes, and that plus the "quick" clues make me suspicious of him as well.
Perhaps people could start debating WHO specifically they want lynched tomorrow.
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I think that lynching people who will hopefully be modkilled (i.e. no votes/posts at all) is useless, but I'm sure that several mafia members are lurking; why should we prioritize the active ones over the lurking ones?
I also think that the mafia would want to put at least one person up to be elected, but at this point I don't know who, and while I'm pretty sure the mafia will have slipped someone into the election, there is always the possibility that they didn't. If you, or anyone can make a strong case against one of the candidates, great. But if you simply want to lynch them because they are candidates, then I think there are other people that are more likely mafia.
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On January 26 2010 07:34 XeliN wrote:
I already considered Tree.hugger Johnnyspazz and Dozko as being prime suspects for Mafia, well Tree and Johnny, Dozko is more of a certainty.
I am very curious to hear Cresentia and Laaan's deeper explanation to their votes. I very much do not suspect Laaan and am suprised he voted Softer, cresentia I am more suspicious of.
Before this i posted a link to my friend of the 7 suspects I would choose, at a push, to be Mafia
ShoCkey
Dozko
Quickstriker
Haster
~OpZ~
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Haster is dubious, all he is done is somewhat irrationally voted for me and given some of my posts its more than possible he could have just got the wrong idea and believed I am Mafia. As such Cresentia could be the substitute for Haster.
For the love of god can we plz Lynch one of these next round, if we go one more time with lynching a Townie this game is completely lost, as of now it is barely salvagable.
Okay jack ass, I've done proposed we lynch quickstriker....You're just mad I voted for you. And called you retarded.
Find a clue that points at me, then lynch me. I dare you. You won't find any that work BECAUSE I'M NOT MAFIA.
That is all.
Xelin
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On January 24 2010 08:37 Iaaan wrote:
and just because I think it might be relevant, I will post some stuff about the voting.
fulgrim - 3
tree.hugger
itspaul
decafchicken
d3_cresentia - 5
Fishball
Dozko
softer
i10f
johnnyspazz
It could mean nothing, but the Mafia could have killed these people (itspaul and i10f) to show that it wasn't the Mafia voting for Cresentia/fulgrim, when they really were. But that said, The mafia would have been aiming to get someone in the position of mayor, so looking at the votes for tree.hugger:
tree.hugger - 3
d3_cresentia
~opz~
no_re
This is who everyone thought would win, as he had 4 votes before i changed mine. I changed my vote to try to screw things up because like I said, I think the Mafia would have wanted the Mayor position the most, and the Mafia thought tree.hugger would have won (which he did) since he was in the lead. Any more votes for him would have caused a tie for sheriff, and at that point in the game, we didn't know what would have happened in a tie. Again with wanting the position of mayor, the Mafia could have voted for Cresentia in order to put them ahead of their candidate.
So all that said, at this point the people I suspect the most are Softer and Johnnyspazz for bumping up cresentias votes towards the end, ~Opz~ for voting free tree.hugger, tree.hugger for being mayor (again because the mafia would want this position, and the mafia should have thought tree.hugger would win), and Quickstriker for the clues (which Fishball outlined, and I also think the line "Drawing something technical" points to his profile.)
Yo...
Okay, so I voted for tree.hugger because I hadn't read all the thread, and Xelin and Quickstriker really seemed newbie and like they THINK they know whats going on, but they type without any purpose and without any actual knowledge. They seem too vague and unspecific. You know? And they talk like they think they're smart, WHEN YOU CAN TELL that they aren't as smart as they seem. It's weak. I voted for tree.hugger because he didn't sound stupid.
That is all. So quit being weaksauce.
And if you want to see who I'm acting like....well, I won't tell you who I'm modeling my persona off of.
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Better question is who knew who the vigi's were....
I now suspect tree.hugger too....Someone consolidate and find all his posts and put them together.
I'm currently out of state, on my lap top, hence my no posting yesterday. Proof would be easily obtainable, and sadly, anytime soon, week/month(s), an even sadder proof would be obtainable....
Severe, and sad, family issues. My grandfather has been diagnosed with cancer, so if I don't post often it's because of that.
and Mr. Sheriff, plz lock up Xelin or Velkan....
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On January 27 2010 13:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Better question is who knew who the vigi's were....
I now suspect tree.hugger too....Someone consolidate and find all his posts and put them together.
I'm currently out of state, on my lap top, hence my no posting yesterday. Proof would be easily obtainable, and sadly, anytime soon, week/month(s), an even sadder proof would be obtainable....
Severe, and sad, family issues. My grandfather has been diagnosed with cancer, so if I don't post often it's because of that.
and Mr. Sheriff, plz lock up Xelin or Velkan....
My condolences. I hope your grandfather recovers, man.
Though your flaming is kind of mean
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 27 2010 13:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Better question is who knew who the vigi's were....
I now suspect tree.hugger too....Someone consolidate and find all his posts and put them together.
I'm currently out of state, on my lap top, hence my no posting yesterday. Proof would be easily obtainable, and sadly, anytime soon, week/month(s), an even sadder proof would be obtainable....
Severe, and sad, family issues. My grandfather has been diagnosed with cancer, so if I don't post often it's because of that.
and Mr. Sheriff, plz lock up Xelin or Velkan....
I doubt anyone knew the roles of the Day1 victims. Seems like a lucky coincidence.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather. Wish you and your family all the best.
I ran searches with my name, and the terms "mafia" and "lynch". Might've missed a post or two, but here's all the posts I found. Examine them all, but when the next day's clues come out, and still not a single clue comes out pointing to me, then it's time we look elsewhere for our mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:15 tree.hugger wrote:
In games of Mafia, there are degrees of activity. These degrees of activity would persist no matter what roles people got, and since roles were randomly assigned, suggesting that 'Poster A' is mafia because he posts too much is ignoring the fact that 'Poster A' would've contributed significantly anyway, as they're experienced with games of mafia, and comfortable playing any role.
What instead is more important are deviations in posting patterns and word choice. These will lead us more surely to the mafia.
This not to say that anyone is or isn't mafia, it's simply a note of caution. We shouldn't go about lynching our most active and productive members, or else who's going to go about finding the clues?
The reason I announced my candidacy for sheriff/mayor is that I have the objectivity and patience to not consistently make ridiculous judgments. On January 21 2010 02:30 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent. Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately. This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character. But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position. The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster. Be wary of these. On January 21 2010 10:38 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:26 Fulgrim wrote:
Ok so first things first, anyone that is blue make sure that you use your actions on the first night! It would be a real waste if our DT's weren't detecting anyone, and our medics weren't protecting anyone.
Secondly, as Ian has pointed out that there are a large number of mafia (1/5 people?) in this game, so there are likely mafia among the frequent posters and non-frequent, although losing a more active townie would be a bigger blow then losing someone who just lurks, and rarely checks the thread. (possible bigger reward for taking out active mafia?) So if I'm elected I'm not sure yet who I will lynch, but I'm going to go back and read through most of the posts again, and I may get a clue
Thirdly, I doubt that there are any clues in the starting message, in the previous game I read there didn't seem to be any, I would look for clues after the first mafia kill tonight, and what people are posting. Yes, because the vocal mafia members are the ones that screw things up like you wouldn't believe. As for my own candidacy, I promised from the beginning moderation and objectivity. Who would I execute immediately? I don't know. As for who you should vote for; consider that while the chance of any candidate being mafia is essentially even, it would be unwise to elect anyone to whom a (possible) clue may point to. There is a chance that no-re's page 4 analysis is incorrect, but there is also the possibility that elements of it are correct. As such, it would be an idiotic move to elect someone with even a hint of suspicion. That means that dj_crescentia, and Quickstriker are probably the least safe choices, if only by a small amount. My vote was for Fulgrim because I wondered if a first-time player would so quickly grasp the concept of this election, and the importance of mafia infiltration. But of course, I'd like people to vote for me too. On January 21 2010 10:57 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:48 SagaZ wrote:On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote:
Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen.
That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now.
Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! okay, this is quite an interesting post actually. QS make this post about why should detective stay hidden, it's well explained but it's all comon sense and the conclusions are what anyone should see with a minimal thought process. detective and medics stay hidden to the mafia blablabla. Everything is nice and helps newer player in the case they haven't seen it. Now comes shockeey's post, basically saying how great QS is for saying what should be common sense. That makes me think about three case senarios. 1) QS and shockeey are mafia, they set up behind the scene the act. This goes well with QS's post activity to make people trust him, the intent of this tutorial would then be to try to earn some trust of newer players. Shockeey's post would only be to reinforce this and creat a bandwagon. 2) Shockeey is mafia, QS isn't. Shockeey, seing how QS posts alot wants to try to get in his good side and possibly misslead him. if someone says good things about you, it's harder to say bad things about them. 3) Neither are mafia, Shockeey just didn't saw how blue roles in general should play on his own and is impressed at how a mafia game works. These maybe are very far away from truth of course. About the first lynch, right now, killing the most inactive seems the safest choice, but maybe we could play around with the idea of killing shockeey. You're overthinking yourself. And by that, I don't mean that what you say is all wrong. For all I know, the most elaborate option; #1 could be totally correct. But what I mean is that this conjecture doesn't really help anyone. Because you've essentially presented three (of four) options and said that they're all equally likely. But option #4 is just as likely; Show nested quote +#4- QS is mafia, pretending to be a helpful guy, and shockeey is just deceived. So your post doesn't really help us, because it serves to read something into a post that didn't need to be read into. Just to head off any criticism, I broke down a post in a vacuum earlier (Page 8) but I tried not to steer away from conclusions. I wasn't analyzing the writing to make a judgment one way or another, I was simply trying to point out arguments that should not sway you. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:46 Fulgrim wrote:
Ok this is kind of sad, I read the last few pages that I missed and it seemed like the same 4 people were posting for like the whole day.... Where is everyone else? (this could cause major problems, imagine if half of our game was modkilled...) Quick, d3 and tree, you guys have all been posting a ton, and I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for, have you guys all played before? Summer camp! On January 21 2010 11:01 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 10:55 Fulgrim wrote:On January 21 2010 10:48 QuickStriker wrote:I just took a look at the other mafia game and their last post seems reasonable. I'm pretty sure it can happen here and can be the same case so I'll just quote it away: On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote:
Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.
So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster. If we take this last post as true, and the mafia is well organized, then we can assume that the mafia candidate is probably not xelin or man.magic, seeing as they have 0 votes and haven't seemed to post alot. Ridiculous, what if every single mafia member ran for election, and they all agreed to throw support behind the mafia that had managed to get the most votes. If every mafia member ran for election, than surely the chance of a mafia getting elected would be higher, no? Again, it's pointless to posit these 'what if?!' ideas because they're usually wrong, and when they're right, they're still useless, because nobody has any way of really knowing that anyway. Stick to facts and not 'Well if I were mafia, I'd put poison in the wine glass closest to me because you'd suspect something and switch the glasses...." kind of deductions. On January 22 2010 07:24 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 06:31 Fulgrim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote:
Xelin, I did not quote all of your posts since that post I made was getting enormous. I think people are not too lazy to go a few pages back and read what you have written, so I dont see how you use this as a basis against my argument?
In any case I have already put my reasoning up, because thats what I think. People are free to form their own opinion and seeing as how you ignored most of my points and misread the others I do not feel the need to return to that thread of argument.
On another more pressing note i put my vote in the other thread for d3_crescentia for mayor. I will now post my reasoning for doing so here.
The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious.
tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for.
I voted for d3_crescentia because 1) He has made good analysis of the narration and I do not believe that any mafia would go in such details like separating prose from poetry etc. 2) He has a very neutral style of posting, i.e. he does not jump on bandwagons too quickly, and is taking the input of other posters very seriously, even when It is not completely in tune with his own. These I feel are good attributes for a mayor to have and he is the only candidate to actually sort of back up the attributes he claimed he possessed in his campaign with his subsequent posts. 3) He is one of the most active posters, and this will be good for us if he can continue in such fashion when we have more information. Dozko brings up a few good points about the candidates. I find your analysis of tree.hugger interesting because thats exactly how I see you, you came out of nowhere with several fat posts chalked full of analysis, which made me suspicious at first. Although it seems as though this is the style of some players (tree.hugger and others). I think that people are too caught up on Xelin's and Quickstrikers arguments as they could both be mafia trying to distract us and polarize the town, or neither could be mafia and just both paranoid. Either way I feel too much of the discussion has been focused on that. Also I'm glad to see more people becoming active, which is great. However I am still going to follow through on my plan if you elect me and kill one of the least active people, so get posting. (No voting for me will not guarantee that you will not be lynched if you haven't posted anything at all yet) It's just how I roll. I have my suspicions like the rest of you, but I really don't have much to base anything on. I'm trying to get people to think the right way, before jumping headlong into analysis. The point is to think for yourself at all costs, and constantly check people's language for clues. And of course, don't immediately tip people off that you suspect them of something or another. If you tell people you suspect they're mafia because they don't capitalize their "i's" then mafia or not, they'll start capitalizing their "i's". I've always loved mafia because of the psychology of it all. On January 22 2010 21:14 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wait a minute... On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him. It was a joke, a joke! But I guess lunaticman was on my mind because I had searched earlier for this guy's post in the sign-up thread as well, and hadn't found it. I thought of how ironic it would be if someone who hadn't said a single word yet ran in at the last moment and voted. On January 23 2010 08:20 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 06:21 XeliN wrote:
Shockey interesting point, and a sound argument (this is sarcasm), but you have tempted me to put forward another interesting little proposition.
I will happily consent to being lynched first on one condition, If I am lynched and it turns out I am, as I claim to be, a humble Green Townie, then quickstriker and dozko will be the next people lynched.
to add a further condition, say I am lynched first and am a townie, then the town decides to lynch Quickstriker and he is also a townie, then my condition of lynching them both is void and as I would have been wrong on quickstriker in this hypothesis then dozko would not be lynched.
So to emphasise, two propositions
If the town agree to lynch Quickstriker and Dozko first and one of them is not Mafia, Then I propose that I be the next person to be lynched
OR
I propose that I be the first person lynched on the one simple condition that If I am innocent then Dozko and Quickstriker will be lynched next
I would prefer the first but am completely happy to do the second as well. Dying sucks but i think i would be greatly helping the town by doing so in this instance.
We're going to be making judgments based on facts. This idea is counter-productive and distracting, and I would not vote for it. Let's be a little more rational here. I think the suggestions for the DT are quite sound, and hopefully already in practice. It's a little difficult to figure out any kind of mafia-proof formula for the medics to follow, but hopefully they'll have a little luck and a knack of guessing. I'll try to be on a bit, but I just flew to school today and tomorrow I'll be moving back in. But around evening tomorrow, I'll be able to kick the mafia out of our beloved town. On January 23 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 13:15 XeliN wrote:
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.
Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.
tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.
So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is. We're not going to lynch you because you want us to, now stop being an attention whore. On January 26 2010 01:20 tree.hugger wrote:It's difficult to see such a lack of consensus on this first day of voting. But at some point I need to cast a vote, so let me write through my thinking and maybe I can make up my mind en route. To me the most amount of evidence points to Quickstriker. We've mentioned the repeated references to 'quick' deaths, but what has also interested me is how 'drawing' has appeared (albeit subtly) in both stories. Here's Day 1- and Day 2- QS and d3 are the two players in this game (aside from my own picture, which is of the title character from Dr. Seuss's book The Lorax) which have an illustration in their profiles. If the emphasis is on the drawing in Day2, and the figure of speech used in Day1 was used intentionally, then I see Quickstriker as the most logical choice for lynching. Unfortunately, the possible references to QS on Day 2 are in separate murders. Here's what else bothers me; the two shots. It seemed to me from the beginning that this HAS to be a clue. Why two shots, when one would've done just fine. In fact, since neither shot hits anyone, the whole episode with the technical drawing and the two shots seems to be the most overt clue we've gathered yet. I can think of two possible meanings- either the user has "2" in their name (of which there are 2 such users.) or it refers to a name with two parts, such as "tree.hugger", "Quickstriker", or "RoyW". Now to the technical drawing, which has been astutely investigated, with the evidence suggesting Jonoman92 and RoyW, In contrast to everyone else, I found the connection to RoyW the most satisfying, because it seemed to me the right balance between simple to understand and difficult to find. Yet, of my theories of what the number of shots signifies, I find the connection to Jonoman92 much stronger. Then who? Softer is also up for lynching, and although our evidence against him amounts to a single sentence, the explanation for that is sound, and has really never been challenged, although it hasn't really been backed up either. ILoveKT seems also to have strong evidence against him, yet the interest in lynching him has been minimal, probably wisely as he has not really ever posted and therefore is less of a malign influence than another poster would be. *** So what's bothering me at the moment, is that almost all of our choices are based on conjecture (QS) and personality (XeliN) and there's really nothing for me to go on. I'm going to wait a little bit more, hear what more of you have to say (hopefully people will post!), and go to spanish class, and then we'll see where we are. Also, I watched 12 Angry Men last night, and it reminded me of this. Great play, great movie. On January 26 2010 07:20 tree.hugger wrote:
Hmmm. Could've been worse, I guess. Could've been much better.
I'm not so sure about Double Lynch. Feels like we could've used it whenever, so here's to hoping we get the right clues in the next day post. On January 26 2010 12:18 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
can't wait, im going to try and prove my innocence with the next set of clues
just you haters wait You only have to prove your innocence if you're mafia. Spend your time finding good clues and making good arguments, and you won't have to worry about falling under suspicion.
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Should it not become day allready?
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Grandfather probably wont. Cancer's throughout his whole body...I'm just down here to see him for what will probably be the last time...
=(
Sucks but its whatever...Gotta happen some time...I just hope the radiation later this week eases some of his pain
Anyway, lets put some emphasis on this thing real quick before we wake and some more of us are dead. WHO KNEW WHO THE VIGI'S WERE.
FIND that person and we found a mafia....
For that reason, I suspect maybe tree.hugger. They could of trusted the mayor. Or the Sheriff....Or maybe the mafia just got lucky as fuck with the random guess....
And tree.hugger, you lynching a DT as your first lynch kinda puts you a lil higher on my random lynch thing...The vigi's coulda trusted you, lunatic man coulda trusted the guy about to win the election....I mean this game is filled with newbs....
I don't have time to assess clues, so I'm not even gonna try right now. I might wind up dead though. Not that I really suspect that I'm a high priority or anything, or facing immediate death, but it's mafia and you never know.
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Tree.hugger, we can add RoyW for the 2 if you want...two caps...., but might as well put me up for that too...
And I'm almost willing to throw you to the gallows myself because the drawing clue...
No offense, I like you by far the most of all the canidates, but this is mafia, not a popularity contests. Basically what I'm saying is, I wouldn't hesitate to vote to lynch you if it came down to it.
And to the rest of you reading this exchance, NO I am not hopping on Xelin's bandwagon. I think he is retarded and mafia...or just retarded. My reasons for suspecting tree.hugger are my own, and have came through the shared knowledge of his actions, and his own clue interpretation. I am not sure how strong my suspicions are, so they must not be that amazing...But as long as Xelin's dead, I wouldn't hesitate to try and off you tree.hugger...
And funny how the flame wheel dude tells me my flaming is mean...
I'm sorry buddy, it's just this is mafia...I can get away with calling a retard a retard here...Is there a problem BC?
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Well, that was a nice sleep, just awoke. Still waiting on start if Day 3.
I hadn't realised that QS had abstained on all 3 votes. Why is that? Is it generally considered a good tactic to play if you are a member of the town or Mafia?
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Its a good tactic if the Mafia have already achieved what they want to + Show Spoiler + making sure the town don't pick of a mafia by outvoting them and killing someone such as Softer for instance
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On January 27 2010 12:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 07:34 XeliN wrote:
I already considered Tree.hugger Johnnyspazz and Dozko as being prime suspects for Mafia, well Tree and Johnny, Dozko is more of a certainty.
I am very curious to hear Cresentia and Laaan's deeper explanation to their votes. I very much do not suspect Laaan and am suprised he voted Softer, cresentia I am more suspicious of.
Before this i posted a link to my friend of the 7 suspects I would choose, at a push, to be Mafia
ShoCkey
Dozko
Quickstriker
Haster
~OpZ~
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Haster is dubious, all he is done is somewhat irrationally voted for me and given some of my posts its more than possible he could have just got the wrong idea and believed I am Mafia. As such Cresentia could be the substitute for Haster.
For the love of god can we plz Lynch one of these next round, if we go one more time with lynching a Townie this game is completely lost, as of now it is barely salvagable. Okay jack ass, I've done proposed we lynch quickstriker....You're just mad I voted for you. And called you retarded. Find a clue that points at me, then lynch me. I dare you. You won't find any that work BECAUSE I'M NOT MAFIA. That is all. Xelin
I find anyone who is arguing for me to be Mafia as they themselves Mafia tbh. I think it's gotten to a point where you have to be an idiot or have an ulterior motive to consider me Mafia and as such that was the only reason I added you to the list of people i would choose.
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On January 27 2010 17:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Grandfather probably wont. Cancer's throughout his whole body...I'm just down here to see him for what will probably be the last time...
=(
Sucks but its whatever...Gotta happen some time...I just hope the radiation later this week eases some of his pain
Anyway, lets put some emphasis on this thing real quick before we wake and some more of us are dead. WHO KNEW WHO THE VIGI'S WERE.
FIND that person and we found a mafia....
For that reason, I suspect maybe tree.hugger. They could of trusted the mayor. Or the Sheriff....Or maybe the mafia just got lucky as fuck with the random guess....
And tree.hugger, you lynching a DT as your first lynch kinda puts you a lil higher on my random lynch thing...The vigi's coulda trusted you, lunatic man coulda trusted the guy about to win the election....I mean this game is filled with newbs....
I don't have time to assess clues, so I'm not even gonna try right now. I might wind up dead though. Not that I really suspect that I'm a high priority or anything, or facing immediate death, but it's mafia and you never know.
I'm lucky enough to have all four of my grandparents still alive, and two are in stunningly good health in their eighties, but you can't take too much for granted, and it's good to spend as much time as you can with people who are so close to you.
And I would've loved if lunaticman had contacted me, because then I wouldn't have lynched him. If lunaticman was an active member, then lynching a detective would've been stupid indeed. But lunaticman never posted anything, nor pm'd me, and actually hasn't posted anywhere on TL.net since this entire mafia game began. (15 posts then -> 15 posts now). As for the vigilantes, those killings seem at best to be an unfortunate coincidence. There are only a few people who have actually pm'd me directly about the game, and none of them have roleclaimed.
I realize all I'm asking you to do is take my word for it, but I do think you're supposing that I have a rather ridiculous amount of knowledge that I'm sadly nowhere near. And once again, there is not a single clue in any post that has been traced to me.
On January 27 2010 22:47 XeliN wrote:
I find anyone who is arguing for me to be Mafia as they themselves Mafia tbh. I think it's gotten to a point where you have to be an idiot or have an ulterior motive to consider me Mafia and as such that was the only reason I added you to the list of people i would choose.
Seriously, is there anyone you haven't accused of being mafia yet? Enough is enough, no?
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On January 28 2010 01:02 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 17:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Grandfather probably wont. Cancer's throughout his whole body...I'm just down here to see him for what will probably be the last time...
=(
Sucks but its whatever...Gotta happen some time...I just hope the radiation later this week eases some of his pain
Anyway, lets put some emphasis on this thing real quick before we wake and some more of us are dead. WHO KNEW WHO THE VIGI'S WERE.
FIND that person and we found a mafia....
For that reason, I suspect maybe tree.hugger. They could of trusted the mayor. Or the Sheriff....Or maybe the mafia just got lucky as fuck with the random guess....
And tree.hugger, you lynching a DT as your first lynch kinda puts you a lil higher on my random lynch thing...The vigi's coulda trusted you, lunatic man coulda trusted the guy about to win the election....I mean this game is filled with newbs....
I don't have time to assess clues, so I'm not even gonna try right now. I might wind up dead though. Not that I really suspect that I'm a high priority or anything, or facing immediate death, but it's mafia and you never know.
I'm lucky enough to have all four of my grandparents still alive, and two are in stunningly good health in their eighties, but you can't take too much for granted, and it's good to spend as much time as you can with people who are so close to you. And I would've loved if lunaticman had contacted me, because then I wouldn't have lynched him. If lunaticman was an active member, then lynching a detective would've been stupid indeed. But lunaticman never posted anything, nor pm'd me, and actually hasn't posted anywhere on TL.net since this entire mafia game began. (15 posts then -> 15 posts now). As for the vigilantes, those killings seem at best to be an unfortunate coincidence. There are only a few people who have actually pm'd me directly about the game, and none of them have roleclaimed. I realize all I'm asking you to do is take my word for it, but I do think you're supposing that I have a rather ridiculous amount of knowledge that I'm sadly nowhere near. And once again, there is not a single clue in any post that has been traced to me. Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 22:47 XeliN wrote:
I find anyone who is arguing for me to be Mafia as they themselves Mafia tbh. I think it's gotten to a point where you have to be an idiot or have an ulterior motive to consider me Mafia and as such that was the only reason I added you to the list of people i would choose. Seriously, is there anyone you haven't accused of being mafia yet? Enough is enough, no?
Man, I'm telling you, xelin is mafia, or a form of it. Really, all he has done is point fingers since the game has started and tried to lynch everyone lol. I've only been on top of him most of the game and have had my few suspicious people.
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Day 3
The night was cold, very cold. That is what it seemed to Xelin. The man swam faster and faster to escape his foe. He looked back and didn’t see anyone and swam to the safety of the shore. As he pulled himself from the water he looked up to see a man leering down at him. Before Xelin could run, a branded hand grabbed him by the neck and strangled the life out of him. Xelin body would be found floating amongst some rocks in the morning.
Across town, two men had decided to setup in their home to survive the night. Both took up arms, and had barricaded the doors and windows. Both had then taken to different rooms, not sure if they should trust eachother further. Fishball was in the living room relaxing, gun across his legs. He heard the sound of movement from outside the house and knew it was nothing to worry about with the house locked down. The sound eventually stopped, and fishball turned the tv on low. He then heard something in the basement, then stood up and turned in time to see the basement door fly open, and a man in black charge him. Before he could fire, the mafia had already stabbed his blade into fishball and then ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up.
During this same period of waiting, Iaaan was in the kitchen, with a few knives on the table for his own protection. He checked his watch and saw that it was 2 am. He heard the commotion from the living room, drew a knife and moved towards it. Just as he entered the room, he heard a noise from behind him, he turned and lashed out with his knife, only to have his arm blocked by the man in black. Before he could make another move, a knife was driven into Iaaan s heart. As he fell, his eyes gazed down to his watch, nothing had changed.
[no clues area]
Xelin and Iaaan the townies are dead
Fishball the bodyguard is dead.
Time to lynch some people, you get two lynches (both votes cannot be stacked on the same person)
Vote Here
You have 48 hoursish
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I am unsurprised.
And terribly terribly sad.
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Another water/sea related clue and two men in black.
2AM seems like a pretty substantial clue as well...
Blargh; gonna come back to this later.
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iplaythings, drinking, Joxor, 7strife, gaizka, Nigol, Rainbow, and man.magic
are all at risk of being mod killed. I will be pming them shortly to see if they will play, otherwise they will be mod killed after the vote
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Saw this coming
I would be surprised if I was still alive.
Now get off my DT Icon.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Goddammit. Thank you to Fishball for your stalwart protection, you will be avenged.
Time to get to work.
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The fact that Xelin was killed means he was probably right on a lot of his accusations, even though there was a high chance of him being lynched, the mafia decided he needed to be killed for sure.
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On January 26 2010 07:34 XeliN wrote:
I already considered Tree.hugger Johnnyspazz and Dozko as being prime suspects for Mafia, well Tree and Johnny, Dozko is more of a certainty.
I am very curious to hear Cresentia and Laaan's deeper explanation to their votes. I very much do not suspect Laaan and am suprised he voted Softer, cresentia I am more suspicious of.
Before this i posted a link to my friend of the 7 suspects I would choose, at a push, to be Mafia
ShoCkey
Dozko
Quickstriker
Haster
~OpZ~
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Haster is dubious, all he is done is somewhat irrationally voted for me and given some of my posts its more than possible he could have just got the wrong idea and believed I am Mafia. As such Cresentia could be the substitute for Haster.
For the love of god can we plz Lynch one of these next round, if we go one more time with lynching a Townie this game is completely lost, as of now it is barely salvagable.
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Before Xelin could run, a branded hand grabbed him by the neck and strangled the life out of him. Xelin body would be found floating amongst some rocks in the morning.
= JadeFist?
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On January 28 2010 04:15 no_re wrote:
The fact that Xelin was killed means he was probably right on a lot of his accusations, even though there was a high chance of him being lynched, the mafia decided he needed to be killed for sure.
That's a very strange comment to make.
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reasons why? seems like good logic to me
im annoyed. my circle of trust just got raped =[
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On January 28 2010 04:33 no_re wrote:Show nested quote +Before Xelin could run, a branded hand grabbed him by the neck and strangled the life out of him. Xelin body would be found floating amongst some rocks in the morning. = JadeFist?
I thought the same thing.
Fuck man, I could of sworn XeliN was a mafia. Guess, I was wrong, I am sorry XeliN for pointing so many fingers at you. <3 May you R.I.P.
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On January 28 2010 05:20 no_re wrote:
reasons why? seems like good logic to me
im annoyed. my circle of trust just got raped =[
Do you mean to say that you knew who these people were all along? Like what roles they played?
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2 of the 3 killed I trusted not to be mafia and talked with, yes
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On January 28 2010 02:39 d3_crescentia wrote:
Another water/sea related clue and two men in black.
2AM seems like a pretty substantial clue as well...
Blargh; gonna come back to this later.
I remembered something else being 2 in a previous post, in the day two post the time is 1 am, so I'm not sure if there is a connection except for it always being in the early morning, or just numbers. Also in the day 2 post:
quickly fired two shots and ran for cover.
Agh I was almost positive Xelin was mafia.... Sorry Xelin! So here we are with a double lynch and little idea with what to do with it. I'm going to look back and look at all of Xelin's (Iaaan's and fishball's too) and see what I can find, they were pretty active so we may be able to find clues from there.
Also I found another "stretch" clue that could possibly incriminate haster27, there is alot of references to water in the clues, day 1 and 3 the killings took place near the water. In haster's picture there is a picture of Florida with alot of water around it.....
I also see the connection to Jadefist in the last killing, the mafia had something on his hand.
Lets hope that our medics and DT's aren't all inactive......
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wow sorry thats not florida..... That's what I get for getting no sleep yesterday...
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 28 2010 05:20 no_re wrote:
reasons why? seems like good logic to me
im annoyed. my circle of trust just got raped =[
It can just as easily work the other way. If the mafia kills off X, who has spent the entire game accusing Y, then the mafia could just be hoping that Y will be lynched.
On January 28 2010 05:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Fuck man, I could of sworn XeliN was a mafia. Guess, I was wrong, I am sorry XeliN for pointing so many fingers at you. <3 May you R.I.P.
XeliN talked too much, and with too little cohesion or sense. I always felt like he was the most obvious townie of us all, but having the unfortunate habit of barking up nearly every possible tree, and not really getting anything concrete out of it.
On January 28 2010 06:36 Fulgrim wrote:
wow sorry thats not florida..... That's what I get for getting no sleep yesterday...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
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I feel that I've done a poor job of leading the town so far. I promised careful consideration, but I feel as though I've been too careful, and too unwilling to take risks. With the death of at least one bodyguard, my position becomes more and more acute. We're running out of time, so we've really got to nail this double lynch.
I've put in italics anything that seems interesting or suggestive:
On January 28 2010 02:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The night was cold, very cold. That is what it seemed to Xelin. The man swam faster and faster to escape his foe. He looked back and didn’t see anyone and swam to the safety of the shore. As he pulled himself from the water he looked up to see a man leering down at him. Before Xelin could run, a branded hand grabbed him by the neck and strangled the life out of him. Xelin body would be found floating amongst some rocks in the morning.
This killing seems very similar to the very first killing. We have another murder conducted on the shore/beach. We have another killing that references water. The one facet of this murder that opens up a new light on this mafia member is the 'branded hand' - a phrase that is almost surely not accidental.
1. Can we reconcile Jadefist with water? 'Jade' with 'branded'?
2. Can we reconcile drinking with a 'branded hand'?
On January 28 2010 02:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Across town, two men had decided to setup in their home to survive the night. Both took up arms, and had barricaded the doors and windows. Both had then taken to different rooms, not sure if they should trust each other further. Fishball was in the living room relaxing, gun across his legs. He heard the sound of movement from outside the house and knew it was nothing to worry about with the house locked down. The sound eventually stopped, and fishball turned the tv on low. He then heard something in the basement, then stood up and turned in time to see the basement door fly open, and a man in black charge him. Before he could fire, the mafia had already stabbed his blade into fishball and then ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up.
This killing doesn't necessarily bring to mind any past killings per se, but there are many points of interest.
- The killer comes from below.
- He somehow enters a barricaded house.
- Sound is associated strongly with this killer.
- This killer uses a knife, and a strange method of dismemberment.
On January 28 2010 02:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
During this same period of waiting, Iaaan was in the kitchen, with a few knives on the table for his own protection. He checked his watch and saw that it was 2 am. He heard the commotion from the living room, drew a knife and moved towards it. Just as he entered the room, he heard a noise from behind him, he turned and lashed out with his knife, only to have his arm blocked by the man in black. Before he could make another move, a knife was driven into Iaaan s heart. As he fell, his eyes gazed down to his watch, nothing had changed.
It's a little unclear, but these two killings were likely committed by different mafia, although there are similarities. The use of 'the' (man in black) suggests that they may be the same. I'm not sure. The reference to 2 am is surely not unintentional, and brings to mind the two shots fired by the 'technical drawing' mafia. However, there is little in Iaaan's killing besides the number that might connect the two.
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OH MY GOD WHAT A TURN OF EVENTS LOL
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im so sorry i thought you were mafia xelin i really am
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On January 28 2010 06:59 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 06:36 Fulgrim wrote:
wow sorry thats not florida..... That's what I get for getting no sleep yesterday... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ***
I actually have been looking at Haster's picture since the first day with the clue about water, but I didn't want to post it until anything more came up. I thought it was Florida until I posted lol
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On January 28 2010 05:20 no_re wrote:
reasons why? seems like good logic to me
im annoyed. my circle of trust just got raped =[
Because it's not good logic. The mafia could have killed XeliN because he was getting too close to the truth, or because they could have killed him to throw the rest of us off. Or a combination of both - one of his list might in fact be mafia, but the rest of them could be townies. I don't believe that he was 100% correct, or even 50% correct, though I feel his later guesses are better than his earlier ones.
I'm surprised that everyone thought XeliN was mafia. He had a tendency to be angrily defensive of his own ideas, which grates on everyone's nerves and attempts to draw attention to himself - which in 90% of the time means he's just butthurt about not being listened to. It garners suspicion onto him, yes, simply because his manner of speech could be so abrasive, but I didn't think he was an experienced enough player to have been acting as a double-agent all that time.
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I'm not sorry...about xelin.
He didn't make sense...
Mafia games on here really need to start requiring sigs, profile pics...y'know?
I'd be able to be connected to zebra's, the color pink, suicide bombing (I was a mad hatter one game!! Well...the russian one...)
I would like to attach Velkan to the basement killer, because he used a blade, not a knife and quick striker to the watch clue....He was also able to block the the attack by iaan, which would of required quick movements.
The watch not changing with Iaan's death could point EASILY at quickstriker....And it isn't a blatantly obvious, "hey it was a quick movement" it was a "nothing had changed."
Hold on...maybe his watch wasn't working....What about side sprang?
The water clue is probably too obvious for Drinking...
Now I'm not just saying, hey lets go for him, someone else do some better clue analysis...
Any you mr. tree hugger, I'm gonna need some better out of you too....
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I didn't think about it...But what about shockeyy?
He has a little bracelet thing on his hand in his profile...the next part is kind of a stretch, but extremely cold water can bring on shock...and his profile, the picture he is wearing has team LIQUID on it....
actually...I feel this is good....And he voted to lynch xelin, along with me, BUT I PUBLICLY stated my reasons for disliking Xelin, I didn't apologize for his death, AND I said I'm down with shockeyy, just for lynching xelin, but I disagreed with the reasoning shockeyy had....
So....
I say we lynch shockeyy....
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Posting now before it is too late. I will display extreme low rate of participation due to university midterm occuring at Feb.1 and Feb. 3. I am keeping up with the thread (or so I thought, with my Xelin vote -_-) so I will try to post my opinions when possible.
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Ugh, that's it
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On January 27 2010 17:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Tree.hugger, we can add RoyW for the 2 if you want...two caps...., but might as well put me up for that too...
And I'm almost willing to throw you to the gallows myself because the drawing clue...
No offense, I like you by far the most of all the canidates, but this is mafia, not a popularity contests. Basically what I'm saying is, I wouldn't hesitate to vote to lynch you if it came down to it.
And to the rest of you reading this exchance, NO I am not hopping on Xelin's bandwagon. I think he is retarded and mafia...or just retarded. My reasons for suspecting tree.hugger are my own, and have came through the shared knowledge of his actions, and his own clue interpretation. I am not sure how strong my suspicions are, so they must not be that amazing...But as long as Xelin's dead, I wouldn't hesitate to try and off you tree.hugger...
And funny how the flame wheel dude tells me my flaming is mean...
I'm sorry buddy, it's just this is mafia...I can get away with calling a retard a retard here...Is there a problem BC?
Oh yes, ironic isn't it. Allow me to quote the rules:
Posting Etiquette:
In the past, many players have complained or quit because of the excessive bm and pointless flaming. If you are posting agressively and know you couldn't get away with it anywhere else on this site, it probably isn't ok here. Besides, contrary to what you may think, yelling at someone is a great way to convince people to disagree with your arguments. Please do not post inappropriately, or it will earn you a warning based on mod discretion. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled. Examples of inappropriate posts include excessive cursing and vulgarity, among other things.
Bolding done by me.
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On January 28 2010 08:48 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 17:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Tree.hugger, we can add RoyW for the 2 if you want...two caps...., but might as well put me up for that too...
And I'm almost willing to throw you to the gallows myself because the drawing clue...
No offense, I like you by far the most of all the canidates, but this is mafia, not a popularity contests. Basically what I'm saying is, I wouldn't hesitate to vote to lynch you if it came down to it.
And to the rest of you reading this exchance, NO I am not hopping on Xelin's bandwagon. I think he is retarded and mafia...or just retarded. My reasons for suspecting tree.hugger are my own, and have came through the shared knowledge of his actions, and his own clue interpretation. I am not sure how strong my suspicions are, so they must not be that amazing...But as long as Xelin's dead, I wouldn't hesitate to try and off you tree.hugger...
And funny how the flame wheel dude tells me my flaming is mean...
I'm sorry buddy, it's just this is mafia...I can get away with calling a retard a retard here...Is there a problem BC?
Oh yes, ironic isn't it. Allow me to quote the rules: Posting Etiquette: In the past, many players have complained or quit because of the excessive bm and pointless flaming. If you are posting agressively and know you couldn't get away with it anywhere else on this site, it probably isn't ok here. Besides, contrary to what you may think, yelling at someone is a great way to convince people to disagree with your arguments. Please do not post inappropriately, or it will earn you a warning based on mod discretion. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled. Examples of inappropriate posts include excessive cursing and vulgarity, among other things.Bolding done by me.
Like flamewheel says, there is an effort to clean up the mafia forum because the flaming got a lot worse after you stopped playing. It started pissing people off to the point where they decided to quit. So now we try to keep the games a little more civil.
(And BC is fully on board with this.)
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Some thoughts on these clues:
One of these mafia has previously not been featured before, if we consider that there are 7 mafia and 3 x 2 deaths.
The first mafia seems to be the same mafia from day 1, with a similar location of where the murder occurred - that is, near the water. However, we have a second clue here in the form of the branded hand, which could mean any number of things... though putting it into Google yields a poem. The poem honors a seaman who was convicted and branded on his right hand for helping slaves.
There are some lines in the poem that refer to a 'Saviour'. Curiously, gaizka is a Basque name which means precisely that.
The second mafia uses a blade. He could potentially be the one from Day 2, but there are no references to odd formations made with the blade, but some to sound which suggests Day 1's mafia. Again, we have iloveKT for sound and VelkanKnight for blade, though after doing some research I'd also like to add Fulgrim for blade (as the WH40K character uses a sword), however much of a stretch it could be.
I don't believe we've witnessed a mafia that's used knives and has an association with time/watches before. I have no idea who this could be, though my feeling is that it's the previously unfeatured mafia.
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On January 28 2010 07:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I didn't think about it...But what about shockeyy?
He has a little bracelet thing on his hand in his profile...the next part is kind of a stretch, but extremely cold water can bring on shock...and his profile, the picture he is wearing has team LIQUID on it....
actually...I feel this is good....And he voted to lynch xelin, along with me, BUT I PUBLICLY stated my reasons for disliking Xelin, I didn't apologize for his death, AND I said I'm down with shockeyy, just for lynching xelin, but I disagreed with the reasoning shockeyy had....
So....
I say we lynch shockeyy....
Yes because a bracelet takes up my whole hand and I can't represent team liquid?!
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On January 28 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 08:48 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 27 2010 17:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Tree.hugger, we can add RoyW for the 2 if you want...two caps...., but might as well put me up for that too...
And I'm almost willing to throw you to the gallows myself because the drawing clue...
No offense, I like you by far the most of all the canidates, but this is mafia, not a popularity contests. Basically what I'm saying is, I wouldn't hesitate to vote to lynch you if it came down to it.
And to the rest of you reading this exchance, NO I am not hopping on Xelin's bandwagon. I think he is retarded and mafia...or just retarded. My reasons for suspecting tree.hugger are my own, and have came through the shared knowledge of his actions, and his own clue interpretation. I am not sure how strong my suspicions are, so they must not be that amazing...But as long as Xelin's dead, I wouldn't hesitate to try and off you tree.hugger...
And funny how the flame wheel dude tells me my flaming is mean...
I'm sorry buddy, it's just this is mafia...I can get away with calling a retard a retard here...Is there a problem BC?
Oh yes, ironic isn't it. Allow me to quote the rules: Posting Etiquette: In the past, many players have complained or quit because of the excessive bm and pointless flaming. If you are posting agressively and know you couldn't get away with it anywhere else on this site, it probably isn't ok here. Besides, contrary to what you may think, yelling at someone is a great way to convince people to disagree with your arguments. Please do not post inappropriately, or it will earn you a warning based on mod discretion. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled. Examples of inappropriate posts include excessive cursing and vulgarity, among other things.Bolding done by me. Like flamewheel says, there is an effort to clean up the mafia forum because the flaming got a lot worse after you stopped playing. It started pissing people off to the point where they decided to quit. So now we try to keep the games a little more civil. (And BC is fully on board with this.)
Okay...Sorry...Was just deciding to be a little argumentative to have a little more fun. And I still think Xelin's statements were a little....lacking....
If I receive a warning I will be more than happy to stop any flaming, and I intend to cut it out a little...
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On January 28 2010 09:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 07:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I didn't think about it...But what about shockeyy?
He has a little bracelet thing on his hand in his profile...the next part is kind of a stretch, but extremely cold water can bring on shock...and his profile, the picture he is wearing has team LIQUID on it....
actually...I feel this is good....And he voted to lynch xelin, along with me, BUT I PUBLICLY stated my reasons for disliking Xelin, I didn't apologize for his death, AND I said I'm down with shockeyy, just for lynching xelin, but I disagreed with the reasoning shockeyy had....
So....
I say we lynch shockeyy.... Yes because a bracelet takes up my whole hand and I can't represent team liquid?!
...That's not the point...The clues are to usually rather vague.... And those are rather vague....except they seem to fit...
Horses are branded too...
Representing team liquid has NO bearing on whether or not you are mafia, it's merely something that can connect you to it.
No, but the burger takes up your whole hand....The bracelet can be considered a brand....and I'm sorry, but connecting it to JadeFist just seems a little to obvious....sure, we can kill him, but tell me that seems like a clue that would be used to describe him...
It works better for you.
Liquid and something on your hand...
If you want to help, stop defending yourself and find better connections.
Please defend yourself better.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 28 2010 09:05 d3_crescentia wrote:The first mafia seems to be the same mafia from day 1, with a similar location of where the murder occurred - that is, near the water. However, we have a second clue here in the form of the branded hand, which could mean any number of things... though putting it into Google yields a poem. The poem honors a seaman who was convicted and branded on his right hand for helping slaves. There are some lines in the poem that refer to a 'Saviour'. Curiously, gaizka is a Basque name which means precisely that.
Love that reasoning, but let's not lynch people who are up for modkills.
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On January 28 2010 10:39 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 09:05 d3_crescentia wrote:The first mafia seems to be the same mafia from day 1, with a similar location of where the murder occurred - that is, near the water. However, we have a second clue here in the form of the branded hand, which could mean any number of things... though putting it into Google yields a poem. The poem honors a seaman who was convicted and branded on his right hand for helping slaves. There are some lines in the poem that refer to a 'Saviour'. Curiously, gaizka is a Basque name which means precisely that. Love that reasoning, but let's not lynch people who are up for modkills.
Good to know...Now someone other than me tell me if it's a stretch to connect the water with Shockeyy....
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Dude I hope you guys have a good lynch! We got our first two today oh yeahhhhh.
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...Okay...well it seems my request is futile...You could even be argued that you are leering in your profile picture too Shockeyy....
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I'm not going to argue with you anymore because I know I'm not mafia.
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So I went through all of the clues and thought through most of the things that happened. I now think I have a solid guess as to who the reds are:
Before I present you my conclusions, take a look for your reference at the list of possible suspects: + Show Spoiler +
The people I have crossed out in red are those which are in danger of being modkilled. In my opinion we should not waste our time and lynches on these since it is highly likely that BC will take them out and I believe that the mafia are in fact among the active players.
Okay so these are the people we're considering and a quick check shows us that they amount to 18 (17 excluding myself) players. Given that 7 mafia are left, then the probability of getting a lynch wrong is very favorable. Therefore I insist that we do not hesitate to vote for people who we think fit the clues, simply because they have played a big part in the thread, have a good posting style or other such details.
Now on to my prime suspects for lynching.
Lets get the obvious out of the way first: iloveKT has the obvious sound reference due to the sound waves in his profile. VelkanKnight has the obvious knightly association with swords. I do not think that our lynches are worth it for these guys because a) the clues are far too obvious and b) they have not been active at all so in my opinion we've got bigger fish to fry first.
QuickStriker+ Show Spoiler +First lets establish a connection between the player and the concept and then see how the concept/mold fits the clues. A google search of shriek gives us references to a comic villain, to quoting wiki: “Agony, is a fictional character and a supervillain from the Spider-Man comic books. She is one of six symbiote spawns of Venom. She is predominantly purple.”
First connection - look at his profile picture, there's no doubt the guy has an aura of evil badass around him. Further the sleeve is purple in the picture, the scarf is light purple and the gloves have a purplish tint.
Second connection - the fictional character is listed as having "Superhuman strength, speed, agility and endurance“. This fits neatly with the ferociousness of the last day 3 kills and their speed as evidenced by the looking at the watch.
Third connection - the second killing is done by "ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up". Again the supernatural strength needed to do this matches as above. Even more strongly however I find the resemblance between the killing blow and the hand motion of the guy in QS's profile. To me it looks like the picture is taken when the guy is doing the exact same forceful movement - starting from the chest and going up.
PS. Not related to the above but the constant refusal to vote, by excuses of "not having enough information, or being too busy" given the multitude of his posts would have warranted a lynch on its own if we were playing a longer game and had whittled the mafia down initially.
Therefore I will place my first vote to lynch QuickStriker
Jonoman92+ Show Spoiler + Again lets start with the overlying theme of drawings / technical drawings / formations.
This is written in such a way by BC that I feel that it MUST be a clue. Therefore looking at the profiles of all the suspects the only two which match are VelkanKnight - for his Lolicon reference in the quote, which is basically a type of cartoon drawings. The other match, which has already been mentioned is Jonoman92 - arcology. These are principles which are aimed at designing massive structures etc. Now while both can be classified as drawings only the latter can be considered technical, and since these building are predominantly hypothetical they can also be considered as strange formations - e.g. look at the picture on the wiki page for arcology - its basically a building formed by a load of triangles, this is something i definately relate to strange formations.
I am also curious as to why this clue was overlooked initially. It is of appropriate difficulty and matches extremely well.
Okay so to conclude my conjecture is that I - QuickStriker is mafia and responsible for the day 3 second and third killings and II - Jonoman92 is also mafia and responsible for the last day 2 kill. I consider these my prime suspects and will vote for them as per my reasons above.
Other suspicions: Fulgrim+ Show Spoiler +The 40k warrior guy with a huge ass sword sewing death etc etc. I think that since we have nothing else that can match to the long object in the hands of one of the killers and since this looks out of place enough for it to be a clue i deem it significant. + in that same novel there is a guy called ferus manus whose "iron hands play a big role". Further people picked up on the branded hand poem and fisherman reference.
Shockeyy+ Show Spoiler +I still stand by my day 2 analysis of him and the connection I made to the hypnosis related killing and the spooky red eyes on his profile pic. I suggest people give that another read, I think the hypnosis bit is definitely a clue and shockeyy is the only person it can strongly relate to.
Closing conclusions:
+ Show Spoiler +- Remember how in the beginning of the game one of the reasons that motivated my choice to believe d3_crescentia is not mafia was his posting style etc etc. Well I now believe we have an even stronger proof of that. The people who voted for him in the election. Of the 5 total votes, 3 have been confirmed townies through death and since I am a townie as well (although sadly this will also have to be proven in death it seems) we have only 1 person voting for him, who has "unclear intent". Therefore I conclude that if the mafia ran someone for election they would've at least supported him with a decent number of members - therefore d3 cant be mafia. Of course that strategy is logical but if the mafia have not in fact put up an election candidate then this theory falls apart since it doesn't really give us any conclusions. Since I have trusted him from the beginning of the game I would look mighty retarded if he turned out red and the small number of "uncertain people" votes for him was due to the fact that the mob realized he would win anyway and thus didnt give full support to him.
- This leads to the conclusion that one of tree.hugger or fulgrim must be mafia if the reds have employed that strategy. I dont relate tree.hugger's profile pic to anything so if anyone has any ideas please share them. However his conservative posting style and attractive position of responsibility make him very suspicious.
- Therefore whatever the outcome I think that the next lynch should include at least one of the two
Also I am very interested as to why JadeFist, votes for me. I think some people are taking on the idea of "carrying out Xelin's legacy", which I think is clearly unfounded and such people may very well be the remaining mafia members since such a high profile kill (of a very active poster) will have the obvious repercussions of other players believing that the person was killed because of his suspicion. However this could very well be the mafia's attempt to muddy the waters.
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On January 28 2010 12:14 dozko wrote:So I went through all of the clues and thought through most of the things that happened. I now think I have a solid guess as to who the reds are: Before I present you my conclusions, take a look for your reference at the list of possible suspects: + Show Spoiler +The people I have crossed out in red are those which are in danger of being modkilled. In my opinion we should not waste our time and lynches on these since it is highly likely that BC will take them out and I believe that the mafia are in fact among the active players. Okay so these are the people we're considering and a quick check shows us that they amount to 18 (17 excluding myself) players. Given that 7 mafia are left, then the probability of getting a lynch wrong is very favorable. Therefore I insist that we do not hesitate to vote for people who we think fit the clues, simply because they have played a big part in the thread, have a good posting style or other such details. Now on to my prime suspects for lynching. Lets get the obvious out of the way first: iloveKT has the obvious sound reference due to the sound waves in his profile. VelkanKnight has the obvious knightly association with swords. I do not think that our lynches are worth it for these guys because a) the clues are far too obvious and b) they have not been active at all so in my opinion we've got bigger fish to fry first. QuickStriker+ Show Spoiler +First lets establish a connection between the player and the concept and then see how the concept/mold fits the clues. A google search of shriek gives us references to a comic villain, to quoting wiki: “Agony, is a fictional character and a supervillain from the Spider-Man comic books. She is one of six symbiote spawns of Venom. She is predominantly purple.”
First connection - look at his profile picture, there's no doubt the guy has an aura of evil badass around him. Further the sleeve is purple in the picture, the scarf is light purple and the gloves have a purplish tint.
Second connection - the fictional character is listed as having "Superhuman strength, speed, agility and endurance“. This fits neatly with the ferociousness of the last day 3 kills and their speed as evidenced by the looking at the watch.
Third connection - the second killing is done by "ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up". Again the supernatural strength needed to do this matches as above. Even more strongly however I find the resemblance between the killing blow and the hand motion of the guy in QS's profile. To me it looks like the picture is taken when the guy is doing the exact same forceful movement - starting from the chest and going up.
PS. Not related to the above but the constant refusal to vote, by excuses of "not having enough information, or being too busy" given the multitude of his posts would have warranted a lynch on its own if we were playing a longer game and had whittled the mafia down initially.
Therefore I will place my first vote to lynch QuickStriker Again lets start with the overlying theme of drawings / technical drawings / formations.
This is written in such a way by BC that I feel that it MUST be a clue. Therefore looking at the profiles of all the suspects the only two which match are VelkanKnight - for his Lolicon reference in the quote, which is basically a type of cartoon drawings. The other match, which has already been mentioned is Jonoman92 - arcology. These are principles which are aimed at designing massive structures etc. Now while both can be classified as drawings only the latter can be considered technical, and since these building are predominantly hypothetical they can also be considered as strange formations - e.g. look at the picture on the wiki page for arcology - its basically a building formed by a load of triangles, this is something i definately relate to strange formations.
I am also curious as to why this clue was overlooked initially. It is of appropriate difficulty and matches extremely well. Okay so to conclude my conjecture is that I - QuickStriker is mafia and responsible for the day 3 second and third killings and II - Jonoman92 is also mafia and responsible for the last day 2 kill. I consider these my prime suspects and will vote for them as per my reasons above. Other suspicions: Fulgrim+ Show Spoiler +The 40k warrior guy with a huge ass sword sewing death etc etc. I think that since we have nothing else that can match to the long object in the hands of one of the killers and since this looks out of place enough for it to be a clue i deem it significant. + in that same novel there is a guy called ferus manus whose "iron hands play a big role". Further people picked up on the branded hand poem and fisherman reference. I still stand by my day 2 analysis of him and the connection I made to the hypnosis related killing and the spooky red eyes on his profile pic. I suggest people give that another read, I think the hypnosis bit is definitely a clue and shockeyy is the only person it can strongly relate to. Closing conclusions: + Show Spoiler +- Remember how in the beginning of the game one of the reasons that motivated my choice to believe d3_crescentia is not mafia was his posting style etc etc. Well I now believe we have an even stronger proof of that. The people who voted for him in the election. Of the 5 total votes, 3 have been confirmed townies through death and since I am a townie as well (although sadly this will also have to be proven in death it seems) we have only 1 person voting for him, who has "unclear intent". Therefore I conclude that if the mafia ran someone for election they would've at least supported him with a decent number of members - therefore d3 cant be mafia. Of course that strategy is logical but if the mafia have not in fact put up an election candidate then this theory falls apart since it doesn't really give us any conclusions. Since I have trusted him from the beginning of the game I would look mighty retarded if he turned out red and the small number of "uncertain people" votes for him was due to the fact that the mob realized he would win anyway and thus didnt give full support to him.
- This leads to the conclusion that one of tree.hugger or fulgrim must be mafia if the reds have employed that strategy. I dont relate tree.hugger's profile pic to anything so if anyone has any ideas please share them. However his conservative posting style and attractive position of responsibility make him very suspicious.
- Therefore whatever the outcome I think that the next lynch should include at least one of the two Also I am very interested as to why JadeFist, votes for me. I think some people are taking on the idea of "carrying out Xelin's legacy", which I think is clearly unfounded and such people may very well be the remaining mafia members since such a high profile kill (of a very active poster) will have the obvious repercussions of other players believing that the person was killed because of his suspicion. However this could very well be the mafia's attempt to muddy the waters.
You did analysis on me? Where?
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On January 28 2010 12:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2010 09:57 dozko wrote:My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant. 1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing" 2) iplaythings + Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game" 3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night. 4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong." 5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame. 6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact. Out of the bolded ones I believe the clue towards drinking is the most believable, since it is not very obvious but it still is not too far fetched. However the clue towards softer is very strong since we have a match of a whole sentence. Given that both these have had clue references in day 1 (i.e. the water for drinking and "tenderly" for softer) i currently believe that these two are the most likely to be mafia. Therefore I will vote for softer to be lynched for now, unless i hear some convincing arguments in his defense, since he has not replied in his defense to my day1 post stating the "tenderness" clue and he generally is keeping a low profile, but people should keep an eye on drinking as well since his clue is very persuasive IMO.
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On January 28 2010 12:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...Okay...well it seems my request is futile...You could even be argued that you are leering in your profile picture too Shockeyy....
Like I really wish I can do something, as in find clues, but if you look at some of my post. I write from my phone. So it sometimes gets very hard to do anything. When I get home later tonight, I will try and find some clues.
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I like to point out that no_re and RoyW have been putting in the same votes, since the beginning of the game. Both have stayed relatively quiet. no_re made a good clue analysis post in the first day which appears to have won him immunity against our consideration - mission accomplished he has not really made the same type of posts anymore.
I think it is highly likely that if one of them is mafia then the other is as well. In fact I dont get why they have been trying to vote off quickstriker since the first lynch. This is strange since I dont think there are any clues incriminating these guys, but their posting and voting patterns especially make me very suspicious.
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On January 29 2010 01:39 dozko wrote:
I like to point out that no_re and RoyW have been putting in the same votes, since the beginning of the game. Both have stayed relatively quiet. no_re made a good clue analysis post in the first day which appears to have won him immunity against our consideration - mission accomplished he has not really made the same type of posts anymore.
I think it is highly likely that if one of them is mafia then the other is as well. In fact I dont get why they have been trying to vote off quickstriker since the first lynch. This is strange since I dont think there are any clues incriminating these guys, but their posting and voting patterns especially make me very suspicious.
I think it's time for me to bring up an accusation. WARNING: INCOMING WALL OF TEXT
First of all, I'd like to say that I appreciate everyone's contribution so far. The more people that participate the better chance we have of finding mafia.
Secondly, I'd like to say that I am an extremely non-aggressive person. I don't pick fights when I don't have to, and I'd like to believe that everyone speaking right now is not mafia. However, something has come to my attention that I feel warrants further investigation. I'm putting my credibility at risk here, and if it turns out I'm wrong I would understand if people became wary of me instead.
My suspicions:
There are no clues that currently point to no_re, but I find it odd that two of the three in his trust circle, Iaaan and XeliN died last night. Why is this so strange to me? Because I have knowledge that Iaaan roleclaimed DT to XeliN last night, and both Iaaan, XeliN and no_re have confirmed that XeliN had been sharing his information with no_re for some time.
Why does this bother me so much? Because it is possible to conclude that no_re is mafia, in that upon finding out this information he had a discussion with his fellow mafia and decided that the possible payoff for a hit on Iaaan was too good to pass up. But why XeliN as well? Because of the information that Iaaan passed on.
The information is that Iaaan claimed that he: 1)cluechecked the phrase about the broken flower vase and 2) that it did not point to me.
Assuming that Iaaan was right in guessing that I am a townie, the mafia would have moved to kill Iaaan and XeliN based on the chance that Iaaan was correct. It would have been a large risk to leave XeliN alive and have his suspicions turn back on no_re once it turned out Iaaan was green, the only other person that he's been talking to.
The possibility that Iaaan was NOT blue would be inconsequential in this case, because as far they knew, the only people in the trust circle were XeliN, Iaaan, and no_re. The death of Iaaan and XeliN wouldn't necessarily draw attention to no_re, and everyone else would have continued to pore over clues.
However, I knew that Iaaan was making this gambit to XeliN.
And because not just one, but BOTH of them died, I am highly suspicious of no_re, and will be using one of my two votes on him.
I have identified a few potential problems in my line of thought:
1) This could all be coincidence, and it turns out that no_re is innocent. This is what I am most fearful for, because it leaves us in no better of a position than before, though it is no worse than we have been doing previously. I hope that no_re can forgive me for such a forceful accusation if this is the case.
2) It is possible that I could be mafia, and I spoke with the rest of the mafia to arrange the hits. There is, after all, no proof and no way to check that my role is town-aligned.
I would then ask you why it would be a rational idea for me to accuse no_re and claim I had this hidden knowledge, whereas keeping silent would have been most beneficial. If after all of this he turns out to be innocent, then suspicion will surely turn back upon me for such a vehement accusation. It would be more beneficial to the mafia to remain silent of any knowledge and continue making hits as opposed to a grand public accusation which, if wrong, would draw suspicion towards them.
If it comes down to it, I would be willing to die to prove that I am not red. But, I want to win, and as such I want the town to win, and would hope to remain alive for as long as possible so that I can use my powers of Sheriff to prevent and/or deter mafia kills in the late game.
I have enclosed two of my PMs with Iaaan below.
So, Xelin thinks I'm the detective. I'm thinking of telling him that I am indeed the detective (even thought I'm not), and seeing if I die tonight, so I'm PMing you for two things, do you think I should lie, and if I do, I need to send someone my PM's for evidence if I do die. If I don't die, no big deal, then I can tell him the truth the next day, or I could keep lying are tell him who to vote for ;p
What do you think?
-Iaaan
So I messaged him. I sent you all my PMs to him, Read from bottom up. I have also PM'ed tree.hugger, Quickstriker, no_re, and Johnnyspazz if you want to see those ones o:
And keep in mind, I've been telling everyone different stories thought PM's, cause I generally PM them to see what their reactions to things are. Your the only one I'm telling the truth to, if your a mafia then your probably screwing me, and alot of other people over. lol
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I lied to you before, I am the detective. I wasn't sure if I could trust you, it was better to be careful, but reading over the thread. I used a clue check yesterday, on "broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery" because it seemed like it could point to our sheriff, and I wanted to make sure I could trust him, and I couldn't role check him so...
But for tonight, I'm thinking since I'll probably die in the next 2 or 3 days, I'm going to use a rolecheck. Everyone is suspicious of Quickstriker, so I'm thinking of using it on him; its helpful either way if it comes up red or green. But then he could still be the godfather... Other than that, I'm not sure tho. Maybe iLoveKT or RoyW or Jonoman92.... But, who do you think I should check? and whats your role, just a townie? I thought that was probably your role, cause you wouldn't really want to risk a blue role calling on people to lynch you for information ;p
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I'm not the detective ;p
I'm hoping tree.hugger or cresentia is, since they have protection, otherwise idk.
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Are you the detective? This is the only hypothetical that is making much sense to me, if so you may have rolechecked Softer and it came back Red, hence you voting for him without, as far as I could tell, much evidence.
Softer "Changed colour" so that suggests he was a Miller, and so possibly you or also potentially Cresentia may be a DT.
You being the DT makes alot of sense to me though as another hypothetical is you have rolechecked Quickstriker and it came back Green.
In the above scenario then I would believe Quickstriker to be the Godfather, chosen by the Mafia at an early stage in order to protect him from rolechecks as he was one of the first people accused of being Mafia.
I really do hope some or all of this is true. Although it is mainly a guess so hopefully you can clarify.
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-Iaaan
Hi!, you are right I am very suspicious wait scrap that close to certain (i shudnt say this as from a philosophical viewpoint im not even certain of things like "do we exist" but meh) that he is mafia. A post he made earlier did make me think however that his role is either likely to be the Godfather or innocent. He basically invited the DT to check him now unless he was banking on the fact the DT would ignore that and wouldn't actually do it, he would either be the Godfather or innocent.
Statisically it is far more likely he is innocent if i follow this train of though, I however believe he, and some other of the more active posters, are Mafia and you are right if elected my first move would be to kill him.
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So right to it, Quickstriker is suspicious. I was thinking about talking about lynching him, or killing him if I got mayor, but then I thought, because he is the most suspicious, The DT's will probably role check him first.
Your posts make it sound like you want to kill him, or your at least keeping an eye on him, but I think on the first day it would be more beneficial to kill someone else, instead of someone the DT's will probably check.
so yeah, just my thoughts about Quickstriker so far. Thought I would share o:
I would say something nice about you now, like how insightful your posts are, but obviously you would have to think that it is superficial, I could easily be a Mafia, or be trying to manipulate you for whatever other reason. So I'll just write my name instead
There is one more PM which could be brought up in this discussion, in which I sent to no_re earlier yesterday about if there was another person in his trust group. Unfortunately, this is due to my misreading of his "2 out of 3" post earlier, where I thought he had been talking to 3 people, not two. That is included in the following spoiler (read from bottom to top): + Show Spoiler +oh nevermind I misinterpreted your post
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the only people I have talked to in PM are Iaaan and XeliN...
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who was the last person you talked to - and what did you tell them?
I believe this is enough context to put no_re into suspicion. I hope you read this and come to your own conclusions about it. I encourage everyone to reread no_re's clue analysis posts, because I am now seriously considering the possibility that they are deliberately designed to mislead us.
I will be voting no_re as one out of two to be lynched.
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Interesting post, thanks for sharing that info on the PMs. I'll also encourage people to look at the vote tally as it stands currently and see that the due no_re and royw are joined by sidesprang and jonoman92.
Although I made that massive clue analysis on why QS might be mafia, the voting patterns coupled with the stuff that d3 just put up is really making my spider senses tingle...
These four people have generally been extremely low key and have watched from the sidelines most of the times, yet are the first to jump on the QS bandwagon. Since I am more used to playing post analysis mafia games only (i.e. no clues in narration) my gut is telling me that these are suspicious. Further I dont think my QS theory is watertight at all since if I place him on both kills in day 3 and it looks like there are other double murderers. Couple this with the fact that the guy is not around to defend himself due to his NSL.
Although there are about 24 hours left, I will change my first vote from Quickstriker to no_re right now to see what their responses will be. I am really anxious to hear what our mayor has to say and where his three votes will go.
The people I consider to be mafia as of this point - jonoman92, no_re, royw, sidesprang, fulgrim and perhaps the others are from the inactives.
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Sry in the second line above it should be duo, instead of due.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2010 12:14 dozko wrote:So I went through all of the clues and thought through most of the things that happened. I now think I have a solid guess as to who the reds are: Before I present you my conclusions, take a look for your reference at the list of possible suspects: + Show Spoiler +The people I have crossed out in red are those which are in danger of being modkilled. In my opinion we should not waste our time and lynches on these since it is highly likely that BC will take them out and I believe that the mafia are in fact among the active players. Okay so these are the people we're considering and a quick check shows us that they amount to 18 (17 excluding myself) players. Given that 7 mafia are left, then the probability of getting a lynch wrong is very favorable. Therefore I insist that we do not hesitate to vote for people who we think fit the clues, simply because they have played a big part in the thread, have a good posting style or other such details. Now on to my prime suspects for lynching. Lets get the obvious out of the way first: iloveKT has the obvious sound reference due to the sound waves in his profile. VelkanKnight has the obvious knightly association with swords. I do not think that our lynches are worth it for these guys because a) the clues are far too obvious and b) they have not been active at all so in my opinion we've got bigger fish to fry first. QuickStriker+ Show Spoiler +First lets establish a connection between the player and the concept and then see how the concept/mold fits the clues. A google search of shriek gives us references to a comic villain, to quoting wiki: “Agony, is a fictional character and a supervillain from the Spider-Man comic books. She is one of six symbiote spawns of Venom. She is predominantly purple.”
First connection - look at his profile picture, there's no doubt the guy has an aura of evil badass around him. Further the sleeve is purple in the picture, the scarf is light purple and the gloves have a purplish tint.
Second connection - the fictional character is listed as having "Superhuman strength, speed, agility and endurance“. This fits neatly with the ferociousness of the last day 3 kills and their speed as evidenced by the looking at the watch.
Third connection - the second killing is done by "ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up". Again the supernatural strength needed to do this matches as above. Even more strongly however I find the resemblance between the killing blow and the hand motion of the guy in QS's profile. To me it looks like the picture is taken when the guy is doing the exact same forceful movement - starting from the chest and going up.
PS. Not related to the above but the constant refusal to vote, by excuses of "not having enough information, or being too busy" given the multitude of his posts would have warranted a lynch on its own if we were playing a longer game and had whittled the mafia down initially.
Therefore I will place my first vote to lynch QuickStriker Again lets start with the overlying theme of drawings / technical drawings / formations.
This is written in such a way by BC that I feel that it MUST be a clue. Therefore looking at the profiles of all the suspects the only two which match are VelkanKnight - for his Lolicon reference in the quote, which is basically a type of cartoon drawings. The other match, which has already been mentioned is Jonoman92 - arcology. These are principles which are aimed at designing massive structures etc. Now while both can be classified as drawings only the latter can be considered technical, and since these building are predominantly hypothetical they can also be considered as strange formations - e.g. look at the picture on the wiki page for arcology - its basically a building formed by a load of triangles, this is something i definately relate to strange formations.
I am also curious as to why this clue was overlooked initially. It is of appropriate difficulty and matches extremely well. Okay so to conclude my conjecture is that I - QuickStriker is mafia and responsible for the day 3 second and third killings and II - Jonoman92 is also mafia and responsible for the last day 2 kill. I consider these my prime suspects and will vote for them as per my reasons above. Other suspicions: Fulgrim+ Show Spoiler +The 40k warrior guy with a huge ass sword sewing death etc etc. I think that since we have nothing else that can match to the long object in the hands of one of the killers and since this looks out of place enough for it to be a clue i deem it significant. + in that same novel there is a guy called ferus manus whose "iron hands play a big role". Further people picked up on the branded hand poem and fisherman reference. I still stand by my day 2 analysis of him and the connection I made to the hypnosis related killing and the spooky red eyes on his profile pic. I suggest people give that another read, I think the hypnosis bit is definitely a clue and shockeyy is the only person it can strongly relate to. Closing conclusions: + Show Spoiler +- Remember how in the beginning of the game one of the reasons that motivated my choice to believe d3_crescentia is not mafia was his posting style etc etc. Well I now believe we have an even stronger proof of that. The people who voted for him in the election. Of the 5 total votes, 3 have been confirmed townies through death and since I am a townie as well (although sadly this will also have to be proven in death it seems) we have only 1 person voting for him, who has "unclear intent". Therefore I conclude that if the mafia ran someone for election they would've at least supported him with a decent number of members - therefore d3 cant be mafia. Of course that strategy is logical but if the mafia have not in fact put up an election candidate then this theory falls apart since it doesn't really give us any conclusions. Since I have trusted him from the beginning of the game I would look mighty retarded if he turned out red and the small number of "uncertain people" votes for him was due to the fact that the mob realized he would win anyway and thus didnt give full support to him.
- This leads to the conclusion that one of tree.hugger or fulgrim must be mafia if the reds have employed that strategy. I dont relate tree.hugger's profile pic to anything so if anyone has any ideas please share them. However his conservative posting style and attractive position of responsibility make him very suspicious.
- Therefore whatever the outcome I think that the next lynch should include at least one of the two Also I am very interested as to why JadeFist, votes for me. I think some people are taking on the idea of "carrying out Xelin's legacy", which I think is clearly unfounded and such people may very well be the remaining mafia members since such a high profile kill (of a very active poster) will have the obvious repercussions of other players believing that the person was killed because of his suspicion. However this could very well be the mafia's attempt to muddy the waters.
For those of you who don't know Fulgrim from 40k: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fulgrim
I agree that Fulgrim does have a sword, I think that that clue would fit Velkanknight better then me, as for the hand clue, its a bit far fetched, if Fulgrim had some sort of tatoo or something it might be a better match.
Personally I think that no_re is our biggest lead currently, and I think our clues about IloveKT and jadefist are pretty strong at the moment. I will probably be voting for one of them as well as no_re
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On January 28 2010 12:44 dozko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2010 09:57 dozko wrote:My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant. 1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing" 2) iplaythings + Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game" 3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night. 4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong." 5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame. 6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact. Out of the bolded ones I believe the clue towards drinking is the most believable, since it is not very obvious but it still is not too far fetched. However the clue towards softer is very strong since we have a match of a whole sentence. Given that both these have had clue references in day 1 (i.e. the water for drinking and "tenderly" for softer) i currently believe that these two are the most likely to be mafia. Therefore I will vote for softer to be lynched for now, unless i hear some convincing arguments in his defense, since he has not replied in his defense to my day1 post stating the "tenderness" clue and he generally is keeping a low profile, but people should keep an eye on drinking as well since his clue is very persuasive IMO.
dozko, let me first say thanks for doing such extensive analysis to give us all information to review and consider. The thing is you have a lot of leads and so far we're yet to catch a mafia member. I think that some of the leads must be correct but it is certainly hard to know which ones. We also don't exactly know what method BC is using to lay clues. I think that if we can get a mafia member on this turn we should continue along the same path but otherwise maybe we should put less emphasis on the clues and more on examining people's postng behaviors and trying to see if we can figure out motives from that.
With so many inactives it does present a problem though... I wish there was a way to check if people were viewing the thread even if they aren't posting because that would lead me to believe they are mafia rather than noobs who signed up for mafia and are dumb townies who aren't caring to participate.
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On January 29 2010 08:04 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 12:44 dozko wrote:On January 28 2010 12:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
... + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2010 09:57 dozko wrote:My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant. 1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing" 2) iplaythings + Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game" 3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night. 4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong." 5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame. 6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact. Out of the bolded ones I believe the clue towards drinking is the most believable, since it is not very obvious but it still is not too far fetched. However the clue towards softer is very strong since we have a match of a whole sentence. Given that both these have had clue references in day 1 (i.e. the water for drinking and "tenderly" for softer) i currently believe that these two are the most likely to be mafia. Therefore I will vote for softer to be lynched for now, unless i hear some convincing arguments in his defense, since he has not replied in his defense to my day1 post stating the "tenderness" clue and he generally is keeping a low profile, but people should keep an eye on drinking as well since his clue is very persuasive IMO. dozko, let me first say thanks for doing such extensive analysis to give us all information to review and consider. The thing is you have a lot of leads and so far we're yet to catch a mafia member. I think that some of the leads must be correct but it is certainly hard to know which ones. We also don't exactly know what method BC is using to lay clues. I think that if we can get a mafia member on this turn we should continue along the same path but otherwise maybe we should put less emphasis on the clues and more on examining people's postng behaviors and trying to see if we can figure out motives from that. With so many inactives it does present a problem though... I wish there was a way to check if people were viewing the thread even if they aren't posting because that would lead me to believe they are mafia rather than noobs who signed up for mafia and are dumb townies who aren't caring to participate.
I believe that we should trust clues more then anything else though, because Its the one thing to be sure about. A mafia member can easily say anything in posts to throw off suspicion, but the clues will always condemn someone (although so far for us it hasn't been the right person). After we get the first mafia it should be alot easier to get the rest by looking at posts by the person and voting record.
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so you think im mafia cause i voted for quickstriker, and his sidekick shokeyy? or did you have some other reasons i did not see?
i have wanted to lynch quickstriker since the first day. so i definatly did not jump on any bandwagon
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you sure wrote a lot of text without much real content, crescentia.
Here is a copy of the PMs between myself and Iaaan in which you will see my reasons for my votes
The reason I picked the two out of my 4 main suspects, is because they were receiving the largest amount of votes, and therefore I would not feel like I was wasting mine on people that would not get lynched.
Read from the bottom up, First PM is Iaaan's
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly, I thought softer was a decent guess, not the best, but not too bad either; I don't know how much suspicion to put on people for that. But I agree anyway, I'm suspicious of tree simply because he is the mayor, quickstriker just because ;p, shockeyy I agree hes a dumbass either way, just coming in and accusing people for no reason, Dozko I don't have an opinion on yet.
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hey hows it going?
My thoughts atm for most likely mafia members are
QuickStriker, still
ShoCkey guy, he is either a terrible mafia or a terrible townie. So either a mafia or someone useless to the town anyway
Dozko his vague posting style spreading a lot of disinformation makes him a prime candidate in my eyes, plus he voted for softer.
Tree.Hugger his voting patterns seem quite suspect to me especially his vote for softer late yesterday.
I have a small circle of trust currently with XeliN thought I probably have given that away anyway in my thread posting.
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Yeah, but of course he could just be excited to be playing Mafia, which I kind of am myself ;p There isn't very much to go on yet, but we will have to pay attention to further clues, and what potential DT's say about him, especially on day 2, because if I were a DT, so far he seems like the best choice for a role check.
Also, I decided to run for Mayor/Sheriff. I wasn't sure if I could do a good job at first, but I think its very important that a Mafia doesn't become sheriff, or especially mayor, and I right now the only person I know isn't Mafia is me (which i would probably say if I were Mafia, but still, the only thing a townie can be 100% sure of right now is their own role), so I figured rather than just abstaining and giving the Mafia a greater voting power (because 6 votes for them is a fair bit), I would run myself and hopefully weaken their chances, since only 4 people have stepped up so far, and at least one of them is probably a Mafia, its pretty likely they would get in.
But yeah, vote for me if you think you should, but either way I'll probably keep Pming you occasionally, Its good to talk to either a smart townie, or even if you are a Mafia (which is a 19.5%(?) possibility for everyone!), still good to see what you say. I guess you could think the same thing, if I am a Mafia, good to keep an eye on me ;p Not that I'm a mafia... but still! 19.5% chance and not much info to go on!
anyway o:
-Iaaan
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I agree with a lot of what you say, I am very suspicious of Quickstriker, something in his posting style makes me feel he is trying very hard to look like we need to keep him around.
sorry for my slow response, I wrote my analysis just before I went to bed =]
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Very nice analysis of the first killings (;
What do you think of quicksilver? He definitely could be a Mafia, with that little clue about a quick attack (although that's obviously not 100% certain), but I think that he could be trying to set himself up to be elected, with all his warnings. It makes him look experienced, which is important if he wants a position of power, especially since most people here are new at this.
So yeah, I think that if he puts himself up to be elected, hes going to look pretty good, which obviously would be what he wants if hes a mafia.
But, what do you think about him so far? O:
Im still not sure what you are accusing me of crescentia, to quote your post you say
"Why does this bother me so much? Because it is possible to conclude that no_re is mafia,"
So from all your typing it is possible I am mafia - I question how this is different from anyone else?
Bring forward some real substance to your next wall of text or I feel it may look like you are trying too hard to convince people of what isn't there.
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On January 29 2010 08:04 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 12:44 dozko wrote:On January 28 2010 12:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
... + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2010 09:57 dozko wrote:My analysis of the day 2 clues. The bold ones are the ones I think are the most significant. 1) Quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - The figure may refer to the chess piece in the picture of his profile, as in a chess figurine.
- "Object in his hands" although the piece is not "long", it is being held in the hands of the character
- Note how the guy in his picture is slightly tilted to one side and it could be said he is "looking over his shoulder". Also those large expressive , jap art eyes can easily be linked to the "gaze", "eyes gazing" 2) iplaythings + Show Spoiler + - The murdered were playing a "late night game" 3) drinking + Show Spoiler + - Note he joined TL on the 31 of December. I would classify this as a pretty memorable night. 4) softer + Show Spoiler + - In his profile quote: "Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes. I think this matches up really well with the quote from the narration "They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong." 5) no_re + Show Spoiler + - They played a bowling game, but it was their last one since they got pwnt by the killers and therefore will never be able to regame. 6) shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - Look at his profile pic. He's got the red eye effect in the photo, which makes his eyes look very expressive due to the black background. I believe this could be a reference to the "hypnotized" gaze in the narration, as his eyes look very menacing and hypnosis is usually done with a strong eye contact. Out of the bolded ones I believe the clue towards drinking is the most believable, since it is not very obvious but it still is not too far fetched. However the clue towards softer is very strong since we have a match of a whole sentence. Given that both these have had clue references in day 1 (i.e. the water for drinking and "tenderly" for softer) i currently believe that these two are the most likely to be mafia. Therefore I will vote for softer to be lynched for now, unless i hear some convincing arguments in his defense, since he has not replied in his defense to my day1 post stating the "tenderness" clue and he generally is keeping a low profile, but people should keep an eye on drinking as well since his clue is very persuasive IMO. dozko, let me first say thanks for doing such extensive analysis to give us all information to review and consider. The thing is you have a lot of leads and so far we're yet to catch a mafia member. I think that some of the leads must be correct but it is certainly hard to know which ones. We also don't exactly know what method BC is using to lay clues. I think that if we can get a mafia member on this turn we should continue along the same path but otherwise maybe we should put less emphasis on the clues and more on examining people's postng behaviors and trying to see if we can figure out motives from that. With so many inactives it does present a problem though... I wish there was a way to check if people were viewing the thread even if they aren't posting because that would lead me to believe they are mafia rather than noobs who signed up for mafia and are dumb townies who aren't caring to participate.
Like the voting thread stated... the inactives we have right are being PM'd with regards to their inactivity, and will be removed by the end of this Day unless they start doing stuff. You can sort of verify this if you start running into people posting on other sections of the forum but not saying anything. I've noticed Iplaythings and Nigol at some point while this thread has been up, but for the most part the people on the above list haven't said very much so far.
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On January 29 2010 07:47 Fulgrim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2010 12:14 dozko wrote:So I went through all of the clues and thought through most of the things that happened. I now think I have a solid guess as to who the reds are: Before I present you my conclusions, take a look for your reference at the list of possible suspects: + Show Spoiler +The people I have crossed out in red are those which are in danger of being modkilled. In my opinion we should not waste our time and lynches on these since it is highly likely that BC will take them out and I believe that the mafia are in fact among the active players. Okay so these are the people we're considering and a quick check shows us that they amount to 18 (17 excluding myself) players. Given that 7 mafia are left, then the probability of getting a lynch wrong is very favorable. Therefore I insist that we do not hesitate to vote for people who we think fit the clues, simply because they have played a big part in the thread, have a good posting style or other such details. Now on to my prime suspects for lynching. Lets get the obvious out of the way first: iloveKT has the obvious sound reference due to the sound waves in his profile. VelkanKnight has the obvious knightly association with swords. I do not think that our lynches are worth it for these guys because a) the clues are far too obvious and b) they have not been active at all so in my opinion we've got bigger fish to fry first. QuickStriker+ Show Spoiler +First lets establish a connection between the player and the concept and then see how the concept/mold fits the clues. A google search of shriek gives us references to a comic villain, to quoting wiki: “Agony, is a fictional character and a supervillain from the Spider-Man comic books. She is one of six symbiote spawns of Venom. She is predominantly purple.”
First connection - look at his profile picture, there's no doubt the guy has an aura of evil badass around him. Further the sleeve is purple in the picture, the scarf is light purple and the gloves have a purplish tint.
Second connection - the fictional character is listed as having "Superhuman strength, speed, agility and endurance“. This fits neatly with the ferociousness of the last day 3 kills and their speed as evidenced by the looking at the watch.
Third connection - the second killing is done by "ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up". Again the supernatural strength needed to do this matches as above. Even more strongly however I find the resemblance between the killing blow and the hand motion of the guy in QS's profile. To me it looks like the picture is taken when the guy is doing the exact same forceful movement - starting from the chest and going up.
PS. Not related to the above but the constant refusal to vote, by excuses of "not having enough information, or being too busy" given the multitude of his posts would have warranted a lynch on its own if we were playing a longer game and had whittled the mafia down initially.
Therefore I will place my first vote to lynch QuickStriker Again lets start with the overlying theme of drawings / technical drawings / formations.
This is written in such a way by BC that I feel that it MUST be a clue. Therefore looking at the profiles of all the suspects the only two which match are VelkanKnight - for his Lolicon reference in the quote, which is basically a type of cartoon drawings. The other match, which has already been mentioned is Jonoman92 - arcology. These are principles which are aimed at designing massive structures etc. Now while both can be classified as drawings only the latter can be considered technical, and since these building are predominantly hypothetical they can also be considered as strange formations - e.g. look at the picture on the wiki page for arcology - its basically a building formed by a load of triangles, this is something i definately relate to strange formations.
I am also curious as to why this clue was overlooked initially. It is of appropriate difficulty and matches extremely well. Okay so to conclude my conjecture is that I - QuickStriker is mafia and responsible for the day 3 second and third killings and II - Jonoman92 is also mafia and responsible for the last day 2 kill. I consider these my prime suspects and will vote for them as per my reasons above. Other suspicions: Fulgrim+ Show Spoiler +The 40k warrior guy with a huge ass sword sewing death etc etc. I think that since we have nothing else that can match to the long object in the hands of one of the killers and since this looks out of place enough for it to be a clue i deem it significant. + in that same novel there is a guy called ferus manus whose "iron hands play a big role". Further people picked up on the branded hand poem and fisherman reference. I still stand by my day 2 analysis of him and the connection I made to the hypnosis related killing and the spooky red eyes on his profile pic. I suggest people give that another read, I think the hypnosis bit is definitely a clue and shockeyy is the only person it can strongly relate to. Closing conclusions: + Show Spoiler +- Remember how in the beginning of the game one of the reasons that motivated my choice to believe d3_crescentia is not mafia was his posting style etc etc. Well I now believe we have an even stronger proof of that. The people who voted for him in the election. Of the 5 total votes, 3 have been confirmed townies through death and since I am a townie as well (although sadly this will also have to be proven in death it seems) we have only 1 person voting for him, who has "unclear intent". Therefore I conclude that if the mafia ran someone for election they would've at least supported him with a decent number of members - therefore d3 cant be mafia. Of course that strategy is logical but if the mafia have not in fact put up an election candidate then this theory falls apart since it doesn't really give us any conclusions. Since I have trusted him from the beginning of the game I would look mighty retarded if he turned out red and the small number of "uncertain people" votes for him was due to the fact that the mob realized he would win anyway and thus didnt give full support to him.
- This leads to the conclusion that one of tree.hugger or fulgrim must be mafia if the reds have employed that strategy. I dont relate tree.hugger's profile pic to anything so if anyone has any ideas please share them. However his conservative posting style and attractive position of responsibility make him very suspicious.
- Therefore whatever the outcome I think that the next lynch should include at least one of the two Also I am very interested as to why JadeFist, votes for me. I think some people are taking on the idea of "carrying out Xelin's legacy", which I think is clearly unfounded and such people may very well be the remaining mafia members since such a high profile kill (of a very active poster) will have the obvious repercussions of other players believing that the person was killed because of his suspicion. However this could very well be the mafia's attempt to muddy the waters. For those of you who don't know Fulgrim from 40k: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/FulgrimI agree that Fulgrim does have a sword, I think that that clue would fit Velkanknight better then me, as for the hand clue, its a bit far fetched, if Fulgrim had some sort of tatoo or something it might be a better match. Personally I think that no_re is our biggest lead currently, and I think our clues about IloveKT and jadefist are pretty strong at the moment. I will probably be voting for one of them as well as no_re
Again....Lemme emphasize this...Just because YOU know where your name and stuff comes from, doesn't necessarily mean BC knows it...But I don't necessarily mean that at you, I mean it more so for everyone's general knowledge...
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On January 29 2010 08:43 no_re wrote:you sure wrote a lot of text without much real content, crescentia. Here is a copy of the PMs between myself and Iaaan in which you will see my reasons for my votes The reason I picked the two out of my 4 main suspects, is because they were receiving the largest amount of votes, and therefore I would not feel like I was wasting mine on people that would not get lynched. Read from the bottom up, First PM is Iaaan's + Show Spoiler +Honestly, I thought softer was a decent guess, not the best, but not too bad either; I don't know how much suspicion to put on people for that. But I agree anyway, I'm suspicious of tree simply because he is the mayor, quickstriker just because ;p, shockeyy I agree hes a dumbass either way, just coming in and accusing people for no reason, Dozko I don't have an opinion on yet.
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hey hows it going?
My thoughts atm for most likely mafia members are
QuickStriker, still
ShoCkey guy, he is either a terrible mafia or a terrible townie. So either a mafia or someone useless to the town anyway
Dozko his vague posting style spreading a lot of disinformation makes him a prime candidate in my eyes, plus he voted for softer.
Tree.Hugger his voting patterns seem quite suspect to me especially his vote for softer late yesterday.
I have a small circle of trust currently with XeliN thought I probably have given that away anyway in my thread posting.
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Yeah, but of course he could just be excited to be playing Mafia, which I kind of am myself ;p There isn't very much to go on yet, but we will have to pay attention to further clues, and what potential DT's say about him, especially on day 2, because if I were a DT, so far he seems like the best choice for a role check.
Also, I decided to run for Mayor/Sheriff. I wasn't sure if I could do a good job at first, but I think its very important that a Mafia doesn't become sheriff, or especially mayor, and I right now the only person I know isn't Mafia is me (which i would probably say if I were Mafia, but still, the only thing a townie can be 100% sure of right now is their own role), so I figured rather than just abstaining and giving the Mafia a greater voting power (because 6 votes for them is a fair bit), I would run myself and hopefully weaken their chances, since only 4 people have stepped up so far, and at least one of them is probably a Mafia, its pretty likely they would get in.
But yeah, vote for me if you think you should, but either way I'll probably keep Pming you occasionally, Its good to talk to either a smart townie, or even if you are a Mafia (which is a 19.5%(?) possibility for everyone!), still good to see what you say. I guess you could think the same thing, if I am a Mafia, good to keep an eye on me ;p Not that I'm a mafia... but still! 19.5% chance and not much info to go on!
anyway o:
-Iaaan
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I agree with a lot of what you say, I am very suspicious of Quickstriker, something in his posting style makes me feel he is trying very hard to look like we need to keep him around.
sorry for my slow response, I wrote my analysis just before I went to bed =]
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Very nice analysis of the first killings (;
What do you think of quicksilver? He definitely could be a Mafia, with that little clue about a quick attack (although that's obviously not 100% certain), but I think that he could be trying to set himself up to be elected, with all his warnings. It makes him look experienced, which is important if he wants a position of power, especially since most people here are new at this.
So yeah, I think that if he puts himself up to be elected, hes going to look pretty good, which obviously would be what he wants if hes a mafia.
But, what do you think about him so far? O:
Im still not sure what you are accusing me of crescentia, to quote your post you say "Why does this bother me so much? Because it is possible to conclude that no_re is mafia," So from all your typing it is possible I am mafia - I question how this is different from anyone else? Bring forward some real substance to your next wall of text or I feel it may look like you are trying too hard to convince people of what isn't there.
Why so dismissive? This has very little to do with your voting record, so I'm not sure why you brought it up. I've mentioned the possible holes in my argument, and you haven't responded to them.
I am accusing you of being mafia because Xelin may have shared with you that Ian had claimed that he was DT, and claimed to have used a clue check on me to show that I had nothing to do with the murders. Because the mafia has certain knowledge of who is town and who is mafia AND KNEW what had transgressed between Xelin and Iaaan, they would have been faced with the possible threat of a DT and would look to kill him.
My conjecture is that the link between Xelin/Iaaan's conversation and the possible cause for their deaths is that you are mafia, as you were in communication with both of these people. The possible counterarguments I have thought of are that 1) it was a coincidence that both of them died no matter what information you and XeliN traded, and 2) because I'm mafia trying to throw people off. I know it's difficult to make a case for the first point. You can make a case for the second, or that there is some other scenario that I haven't thought of.
Above all else, I want you to tell me why I'm wrong. It may be that I'm trying too hard to see things, but I'd rather try and be proven wrong and apologize for that. I am sorry if my tone was too harsh and I apologize if you were offended. It was difficult for me to say something as well, because I like to avoid conflict whenever I can, and the thought that I might be wrong and we would lose another active townie is pretty crushing to consider. If I do turn out to be a fool, I hope you can forgive me.
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On January 29 2010 06:54 dozko wrote:
Interesting post, thanks for sharing that info on the PMs. I'll also encourage people to look at the vote tally as it stands currently and see that the due no_re and royw are joined by sidesprang and jonoman92.
Although I made that massive clue analysis on why QS might be mafia, the voting patterns coupled with the stuff that d3 just put up is really making my spider senses tingle...
These four people have generally been extremely low key and have watched from the sidelines most of the times, yet are the first to jump on the QS bandwagon. Since I am more used to playing post analysis mafia games only (i.e. no clues in narration) my gut is telling me that these are suspicious. Further I dont think my QS theory is watertight at all since if I place him on both kills in day 3 and it looks like there are other double murderers. Couple this with the fact that the guy is not around to defend himself due to his NSL.
Although there are about 24 hours left, I will change my first vote from Quickstriker to no_re right now to see what their responses will be. I am really anxious to hear what our mayor has to say and where his three votes will go.
The people I consider to be mafia as of this point - jonoman92, no_re, royw, sidesprang, fulgrim and perhaps the others are from the inactives.
Definitely two killers with the kitchen and living room, even though both murders occurred in the living room. One killer used a blade, the other a knife. Now you can argue a knife is a blade; but a blade isn't necessarily a knife. And BC was particular in his use of words in that section, because the first killing in the living room he only used the word blade, and in the second killing he only used the word knife. And he used knife rather extensively....We should probably count the number of times just to be safe...
I'd do it, but on my lap top at my grand parents house, and it's bothersome.
And next week I might post less. I'm a full time student, and I have a part time job with probably 30+ hours a week...so...lol...
The watch not changing from 2am from the time he went to the kitchen to the time he died is an important clue, someone find a way to connect it.
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Fuck me I can be so blind sometimes.
Lelouch vi Britannia from Code Geass (and QS's profile) has the power to hypnotically command people to do whatever he wants them to do. Not only that, there is an episode where he has a ridiculous looking sword (the blade is purple) which he waves around absurdly as he's giving commands to soldiers - definitely in what I would call 'odd formations.'
Maybe BC has seen Code Geass.
I think I may vote for QS with my second vote...
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I feel that laaan and Xelin were both killed by the mafia since they were getting a lot of things right.
Also in the PM's between Xelin and Iaaan, Iaaan only claimed to be a DT at first, and came clean to Xelin he was just a townie before he was mafia lynched.
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On January 29 2010 09:45 no_re wrote:
I feel that laaan and Xelin were both killed by the mafia since they were getting a lot of things right.
Also in the PM's between Xelin and Iaaan, Iaaan only claimed to be a DT at first, and came clean to Xelin he was just a townie before he was mafia lynched.
Read PMs from the bottom up due to the dumb reply system TL has. He claimed not to be DT, then he did.
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On January 29 2010 09:42 d3_crescentia wrote:
Fuck me I can be so blind sometimes.
Lelouch vi Britannia from Code Geass (and QS's profile) has the power to hypnotically command people to do whatever he wants them to do. Not only that, there is an episode where he has a ridiculous looking sword (the blade is purple) which he waves around absurdly as he's giving commands to soldiers - definitely in what I would call 'odd formations.'
Maybe BC has seen Code Geass.
I think I may vote for QS with my second vote...
You can't seriously vote for me AND quickstriker? I am pretty much camped atop the lynch quickstriker pile
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I'm glad to see some activity in this thread! (Even though by that I mean one page since I last viewed it last night)
Get those mafia members!
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On January 29 2010 09:45 no_re wrote:
I feel that laaan and Xelin were both killed by the mafia since they were getting a lot of things right.
Also in the PM's between Xelin and Iaaan, Iaaan only claimed to be a DT at first, and came clean to Xelin he was just a townie before he was mafia lynched.
So does that mean that you KNEW that Iaaan wasn't DT before he was killed?
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On January 29 2010 09:50 no_re wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 09:42 d3_crescentia wrote:
Fuck me I can be so blind sometimes.
Lelouch vi Britannia from Code Geass (and QS's profile) has the power to hypnotically command people to do whatever he wants them to do. Not only that, there is an episode where he has a ridiculous looking sword (the blade is purple) which he waves around absurdly as he's giving commands to soldiers - definitely in what I would call 'odd formations.'
Maybe BC has seen Code Geass.
I think I may vote for QS with my second vote... You can't seriously vote for me AND quickstriker? I am pretty much camped atop the lynch quickstriker pile
Dunno for sure; it's something I'm keeping in mind. My money's still on someone like Jonoman92 or RoyW atm. Though, I've been itching to see what color he turns out to be, because I've reviewed his earlier posts and found some good ideas and some bad ideas.
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On January 29 2010 09:47 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 09:45 no_re wrote:
I feel that laaan and Xelin were both killed by the mafia since they were getting a lot of things right.
Also in the PM's between Xelin and Iaaan, Iaaan only claimed to be a DT at first, and came clean to Xelin he was just a townie before he was mafia lynched. Read PMs from the bottom up due to the dumb reply system TL has. He claimed not to be DT, then he did.
That is not what I saw in the PMs sent to me by XeliN.
I see the logic in your accusation of me, but this being my first "link" to being mafia and also not being linked to any clues so far, I feel voting for me to be rash.
I greatly hope QS/Shockey turn out to be mafia if they get lynched, which it looks like it will given current standings - then I will feel maybe I can be trusted by you again
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On January 29 2010 09:55 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dunno for sure; it's something I'm keeping in mind. My money's still on someone like Jonoman92 or RoyW atm. Though, I've been itching to see what color he turns out to be, because I've reviewed his earlier posts and found some good ideas and some bad ideas.
On January 26 2010 07:53 XeliN wrote:
The next obvious target, although they could choose from many, for the Mafia to try to get lynched would be Royw, look out for this, some of them have already tried to associate "clues" with him if you are a Townie I urge you not to vote for him.
Xelin was good at this game...
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hello other mafia game, wish you all the best of luck
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On January 29 2010 10:02 no_re wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 09:55 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dunno for sure; it's something I'm keeping in mind. My money's still on someone like Jonoman92 or RoyW atm. Though, I've been itching to see what color he turns out to be, because I've reviewed his earlier posts and found some good ideas and some bad ideas. Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 07:53 XeliN wrote:
The next obvious target, although they could choose from many, for the Mafia to try to get lynched would be Royw, look out for this, some of them have already tried to associate "clues" with him if you are a Townie I urge you not to vote for him. Xelin was good at this game...
Or that he just got defensive when Shockeyy criticized him and viewed everything he said as a possible mafia threat. IIRC Shockeyy was the first to criticize RoyW for supporting Xelin - which seemed within a reasonable range of behaviors.
I know Shockeyy is posting from his phone, but with that said it seems to me that there wasn't any reason why Shockeyy was so firm in his conviction that Xelin was mafia. I might decide to vote him too. There are just so many suspicious candidates around here; I feel like a girl in a shopping mall trying on clothes.
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Anyway if I get lynched here is my list of mafia
Most likely:
ShoCkey
Quickstriker
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Possibly:
d3_crescentia
Dozko
and the 7th who I believe if he is possibly mafia, and if he is has played it very well:
Fulgrim
So by the time im dead it will probably be too late anyway since they got the two places of power and such a good start. Also kinda posting this for posterity so i can be like "booya, nothing but net" come the end of the game
ps. godfather - quickstriker
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On January 29 2010 10:22 no_re wrote:
Anyway if I get lynched here is my list of mafia
Most likely:
ShoCkey
Quickstriker
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Possibly:
d3_crescentia
Dozko
and the 7th who I believe if he is possibly mafia, and if he is has played it very well:
Fulgrim
So by the time im dead it will probably be too late anyway since they got the two places of power and such a good start. Also kinda posting this for posterity so i can be like "booya, nothing but net" come the end of the game
ps. godfather - quickstriker
no_re this is pretty important to tell whether you are innocent or not. Did you know that Iaaan wasn't DT before he was killed????
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Well my answer will always be that I knew he wasn't DT, if it is true or not.
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On January 29 2010 10:31 no_re wrote:
Well my answer will always be that I knew he wasn't DT, if it is true or not.
I don't know what that last bit is supposed to mean.
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It means I didnt know he was dt
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it means i knew he wasnt dt*
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no_re why do you think im mafia? cause of my actions?
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i want to clear things up because im 100% green and don't want to get lynched for a stupid reason
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Do you have a pm from Xelin or Iaaan saying that Iaaan wasn't DT? Otherwise I think we can assume that you thought that he was DT
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I talked to xelin through skype (as we are both good friends through sc and have met irl) so no pm's from him, I posted all my pm's from laaan on the previous page. I think it would be against the rules for me to ask Xelin to send me his pms with laaan to post.
johnnyspazz mostly due to your early voting patterns and the way in which you accused ppl.
I expect mafia to try to lynch 1 mafia and 1 townie to help disguise themselves being lynched in the future on voting pattern.
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well ill vote the same you do, will that clear things up!?
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nearly 4am here so im to bed
gnite hope im alive when i wake (not sure how long until voting closes)
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Very nice catch, seeing that RoyW supported Xelin. I wasn't sure about Xelin, but that little bit of random support makes him seem very suspicious. And I mean, who the hell is RoyW, he just came in to make his one post supporting Xelin? lol. Also, I think that Quickstriker is very eagar about this game, which makes people suspicious of him. We need to watch out for the Mafia taking advantage of this.
Either Xelin, with RoyW, otherwise maybe quickstriker are the people im most interested in now. How about you? You seem a tiny bit quiet, no uber long posts, but you definitely have some good insight.
-Iaaan
This is all Iaaan PM'd me, nothing about being a DT
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I see you were voting for jadefist johnny, even tho i was originally the one that referenced the branded hand as pointing to him, I feel that this is the only connection so far and even then it isn't a great one. Since then also d3_crescentia's post linking the same clue of the "branded hand" to gaizka to be more likely to fit.
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On January 29 2010 10:10 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 10:02 no_re wrote:On January 29 2010 09:55 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dunno for sure; it's something I'm keeping in mind. My money's still on someone like Jonoman92 or RoyW atm. Though, I've been itching to see what color he turns out to be, because I've reviewed his earlier posts and found some good ideas and some bad ideas. On January 26 2010 07:53 XeliN wrote:
The next obvious target, although they could choose from many, for the Mafia to try to get lynched would be Royw, look out for this, some of them have already tried to associate "clues" with him if you are a Townie I urge you not to vote for him. Xelin was good at this game... Or that he just got defensive when Shockeyy criticized him and viewed everything he said as a possible mafia threat. IIRC Shockeyy was the first to criticize RoyW for supporting Xelin - which seemed within a reasonable range of behaviors. I know Shockeyy is posting from his phone, but with that said it seems to me that there wasn't any reason why Shockeyy was so firm in his conviction that Xelin was mafia. I might decide to vote him too. There are just so many suspicious candidates around here; I feel like a girl in a shopping mall trying on clothes.
I was firm, wtf you talking about? Did you not see as to how many times I re-read his post and even provided with reasons as to why he was mafia. Like everyone else here, and even tree.hugger, I fucked up in choosing him. Which is why I just leave the clue seeking to you guys. I wish I can really try and find clues, but it's fucking hard with a phone. I will just read what every one has to say, and give my little 2cents here and there. My townie role only comes into play when I have to go and vote. Either way, when I do see something suspicious, I do post it and if you count the people that I have accused, it was like only three or four.
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Pretty funny about all that Florida debacle
Anyhow, water and satellite map are pretty far-fetched connections I think. Especially since it is not single clue casually thrown away, but re-occuring theme.
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On January 29 2010 12:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 10:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 29 2010 10:02 no_re wrote:On January 29 2010 09:55 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dunno for sure; it's something I'm keeping in mind. My money's still on someone like Jonoman92 or RoyW atm. Though, I've been itching to see what color he turns out to be, because I've reviewed his earlier posts and found some good ideas and some bad ideas. On January 26 2010 07:53 XeliN wrote:
The next obvious target, although they could choose from many, for the Mafia to try to get lynched would be Royw, look out for this, some of them have already tried to associate "clues" with him if you are a Townie I urge you not to vote for him. Xelin was good at this game... Or that he just got defensive when Shockeyy criticized him and viewed everything he said as a possible mafia threat. IIRC Shockeyy was the first to criticize RoyW for supporting Xelin - which seemed within a reasonable range of behaviors. I know Shockeyy is posting from his phone, but with that said it seems to me that there wasn't any reason why Shockeyy was so firm in his conviction that Xelin was mafia. I might decide to vote him too. There are just so many suspicious candidates around here; I feel like a girl in a shopping mall trying on clothes. I was firm, wtf you talking about? Did you not see as to how many times I re-read his post and even provided with reasons as to why he was mafia. Like everyone else here, and even tree.hugger, I fucked up in choosing him. Which is why I just leave the clue seeking to you guys. I wish I can really try and find clues, but it's fucking hard with a phone. I will just read what every one has to say, and give my little 2cents here and there. My townie role only comes into play when I have to go and vote. Either way, when I do see something suspicious, I do post it and if you count the people that I have accused, it was like only three or four.
Yeah, but most of your reasons were a bunch of what ifs, along the lines of "he must be doing this because he's trying to confuse us" and rarely considered (or didn't have the time/posting ability to consider) that he might just have his own perspective.
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On January 29 2010 12:52 no_re wrote:
I see you were voting for jadefist johnny, even tho i was originally the one that referenced the branded hand as pointing to him, I feel that this is the only connection so far and even then it isn't a great one. Since then also d3_crescentia's post linking the same clue of the "branded hand" to gaizka to be more likely to fit.
i voted for jadefist because of your clue but also because i saw him voting for me when i clicked on the voting thread first
i'm not trying to play mind games as if i was mafia ><
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Alright, fuck it. I've had enough rooting around names and blogs to find that you can make a connection to a sword with a large portion of our population. Just looked at SagaZ's blog and saw that he references Berserk, which features a main character that - check it out - WEARS BLACK and WIELDS A SWORD.
I'm going to be sticking with no_re for my first vote, regardless of my doubts about it. I think it's worth a shot, and if it turns out I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
My second vote is going to be going to QuickStriker, because I'd like to get to the bottom of these vague 'quick' clues once and for all, and because he hasn't been around recently to do anything helpful. Judging by one of his earlier posts:Like I have stated over again and again from the very beginning of the game, the purpose for me in this game is to guide fellow novices of the TL mafia game and helping the town lead its way to a positive direction. And this is in regardless of who I might be in the ultimate end when all of you find out My instinct is to label him either Bodyguard or Mafia going by this, as I recall him claiming green earlier. We'll see in the morning, I suppose.
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Hmm I still think that not lynching jonoman is a mistake. As someone else pointed out there are far too many suspects even though its day 3, I guess mainly because we lost 1 DT very early and the other hasnt been so persuasive, whoever he is.
However if the "hypnotized" clue is connected to the anime on QS's profile (and I dont watch any so i cant know), then I dont think voting for shockeyy is the most precise thing to do (although the braided hand clue might refer to him). A much better choice is jonoman imo and im sad to see people have not caught on to the idea. I guess we'll have to see how events unfold tonight...
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On January 29 2010 10:22 no_re wrote:
Anyway if I get lynched here is my list of mafia
Most likely:
ShoCkey
Quickstriker
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Possibly:
d3_crescentia
Dozko
and the 7th who I believe if he is possibly mafia, and if he is has played it very well:
Fulgrim
So by the time im dead it will probably be too late anyway since they got the two places of power and such a good start. Also kinda posting this for posterity so i can be like "booya, nothing but net" come the end of the game
ps. godfather - quickstriker
I believe you...Tree.Hugger's votes make no sense...
Which has become highly suspect in my opinion
AND fuck voting closed...not like me changing my vote would of made a difference, I just wanted to take it off No_re....
crescentia, amazing find on QS though...I really would suspect him after that....so let's see what he pops, eh?
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Night 1
The town had almost unanimously voted. They dragged both Shockeyy and Quickstriker up to the blocks and locked them down, with their neck down on their wooden block. They screamed, and howled with rage. But it was too late, two axes came down, and their heads rolled off into the crowd. quickstriker eyes stared up at them, burning the question "why" into their minds. shockeyy had one single tear roll down his cheek.
The town stared in horror and they began to depart, but then the lords justice came. The heavens opened and light flashed. Leaving six men dead amidst some ash. First was
7strife beside him were
nigol and Iplaythings
then scattered around those three.
joxxOr, Man.magic, Gaizka, rainbow
The town stared in horror and did a final tally of todays deaths.
7strife the mafia
nigol and iplaythings the medics
quickstriker the bodyguard
joxxOr, man.magic, Gaizka, rainbow, and shockeyy the townies.
The night was fast approaching, and the town ran to hide, for the mafia was coming.
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On January 29 2010 13:48 d3_crescentia wrote:Judging by one of his earlier posts: Show nested quote +Like I have stated over again and again from the very beginning of the game, the purpose for me in this game is to guide fellow novices of the TL mafia game and helping the town lead its way to a positive direction. And this is in regardless of who I might be in the ultimate end when all of you find out My instinct is to label him either Bodyguard or Mafia going by this, as I recall him claiming green earlier. We'll see in the morning, I suppose.
Guess I was right after all... wish I didn't waver in the last moment.
At least 7strife is dead.
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On January 29 2010 12:55 haster27 wrote:Pretty funny about all that Florida debacle Anyhow, water and satellite map are pretty far-fetched connections I think. Especially since it is not single clue casually thrown away, but re-occuring theme.
Well I'd hardly count that far-fetched...It shows water, and shore lines...him thinking it was Florida isn't really that big of a deal, your picture being a coast line with a bunch of water is the big deal...
Isn't water and a shore reoccurring?
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BC, mind clarifying is that post you just made....
Clues are there yes?
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no clues are ever in the lynch post....ever.
Only in the day posts where mafia kill people.
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Goddamnit. I was 90% sure QS wasn't mafia, and I still jumped on that stupid bandwagon due to a vague reference in a 52-episode anime series. Fuck my irrationality. In the case there are no more bodyguards left, I expect that either me or tree.hugger may die tonight, whichever one of us isn't mafia.
Gaizka was not mafia, but we still have the branded hand to look at.
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On January 30 2010 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
no clues are ever in the lynch post....ever.
Only in the day posts where mafia kill people.
Figured that, but it was lacking the no clue tag, like most spaces have =P
And it was rather dramatic lol
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Plus a lot of life less staring eyes from severed heads looking at each other has been occurring.
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We now have 23 - 8 = 15 townies left.
If we continue to lynch incorrectly every day, then we have 2 days left before the town/mafia are at even numbers. I don't know if that counts as a win for them, but regardless we need to get these next two *right*. If it comes down to it, we may have to use a double-lynch on Day 5 (which would mean voting on Day 4...)
no_re
RoyW
Jonoman92
sidesprang
I also continue to suspect iloveKT to a lesser degree, because he hasn't posted too much, has those soundwaves in his profile, and because it's possible that he decided to waste a vote on another mafia that was going to be modkilled anyway.
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If the mafia at any time outnumber the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
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Alright guys, not that you can trust me...It's clear we cannot trust those that are leading us in circles...
there are now 15 of us vs 6...
I am becoming to suspect Fulgrim from varying clues...I'm just tryinng to connect one mafia to another among differing days.
We'll see where I get it, but I'm also looking at a few other people too, so don't feel too offended fulgrim.
Again, if any of you would like to suspect me, connect me to a clue. Any of them.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Aaaahh... the bodyguards and medics are all dead.
Bring it.
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On January 30 2010 03:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Alright guys, not that you can trust me...It's clear we cannot trust those that are leading us in circles...
there are now 15 of us vs 6...
I am becoming to suspect Fulgrim from varying clues...I'm just tryinng to connect one mafia to another among differing days.
We'll see where I get it, but I'm also looking at a few other people too, so don't feel too offended fulgrim.
Again, if any of you would like to suspect me, connect me to a clue. Any of them.
I just did a manual count to double-check my work, and...
We have 17 players total, of which 6 are mafia, or 11 vs. 6
This means that we only have tomorrow to come out of this.
Tomorrow will be 8 vs 6 after the mafia have killed 3.
We'll have to lynch one (5 = 3KP) and incarcerate another (4 = 2KP) on Day 4 to survive to a 6vs5 situation on the day after. We'll have to vote for a double-lynch on Day 5 and lynch two to win... but if we don't, we end up in a 4v4 which is probably GG town. Tough odds.
We also have to consider that tree.hugger may be mafia, then we're fucked for the next day. If it turns out that both me and tree.hugger are mafia, then town might as well call it quits, because this incarceration plan won't work to town's favor... but if tree.hugger is town, then we have a solid chance.
There's gotta be an active DT out there somewhere. Role-check someone. I expect both of our medics are down and out.
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Oh my god we failed hard. I guess my "last minute" sway away from lynching QS was correct. Shame about shockeyy though as I said that lynch was retarded. The only thing he had going for him was the band = braided hand = extremely vague.
Time to lynch one of jonoman/no_re/fulgrim/royw & co.
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Also do we have a double lynch next, or we still need to vote for it?
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And of course lets not forget ~Opz~ who made the extremely weak connection of the band to shockeyy and everyone suddenly supported him when he gave little argumentation.
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We need to vote for a double lynch tomorrow to have one on Day 5. The town might be outvoted if tree.hugger is mafia, in which case it's GG.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 30 2010 04:11 d3_crescentia wrote:
We need to vote for a double lynch tomorrow to have one on Day 5. The town might be outvoted if tree.hugger is mafia, in which case it's GG.
I'd really like to survive tomorrow night, because otherwise, we're screwed.
I mean, there's really no point in me trying to make any justifications at this point, because if I AM we're dead, and if I'm not, then we have a shot at this thing. So basically, you really don't have a choice but to trust me. Also, we have to bat 100% in the future.
+ Show Spoiler +You're in luck, I'm not the mafia.
Plan of action #1:
- Determine what the clues were that pointed to the dead mafia, ' 7strife' so we can stop talking about those murders, and focus on the other ones.
- Please post your thoughts as often as possible, especially before the night ends.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
#2
- Incarcerated players can still vote the following day yes?
- Also, we probably have one detective left, and you better have used your role-check tonight, and dammit, I want to hear about BOTH of your role checks. You actually HAVE to tell me, because otherwise, we will lose.
And this game has had the worst luck imaginable - one DT, both medics inactive... with only one inactive mafia, and six other guys laying false trails...
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On January 30 2010 04:38 tree.hugger wrote:
#2
- Incarcerated players can still vote the following day yes?
- Also, we probably have one detective left, and you better have used your role-check tonight, and dammit, I want to hear about BOTH of your role checks. You actually HAVE to tell me, because otherwise, we will lose.
And this game has had the worst luck imaginable - one DT, both medics inactive... with only one inactive mafia, and six other guys laying false trails...
From my reading of it, it'll just temporarily lower mafia KP during the night they're incarcerated... they come back the next day, ready to vote.
If there are any more medics or vigis out there, it's time to act. There HAS to be at least another DT out there, and I'd be super glad if we had two.
And for the love of god I hope there's another BG out there...
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Oh god we're fucked. At least at this rate we have a damn could chance to lynch 2 mafia, even if just by luck. Inactives really screwed us over though.
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dozko and johnnyspazz, I'm telling you...
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On January 30 2010 05:52 JadeFist wrote:
dozko and johnnyspazz, I'm telling you...
Empty accusation. Tell us why.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Alright, so d3's incarceration should put me through the night safely, and then we'll take it from there. But if we're going to make a comeback here, we really have to get our lynches right.
I'm going to try to figure out which kills were committed by our friendly dead mafia, but tonight and tomorrow my time is limited, so it's seriously time that people break out google and do some good investigation. We need evidence...
ALSO, the DT needs to tell me what they know, before the night ends. As we've said, you're just going to have to trust me. If you know something, say something.
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well GG no_re, i trusted you and look where it cost us you dirty mafia
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On January 30 2010 06:00 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 05:52 JadeFist wrote:
dozko and johnnyspazz, I'm telling you... Empty accusation. Tell us why.
Because he has a birthday icon.
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ok im thinking decafchicken, jadefirst, jonoman, no_re, RoyW, sidesprang are the six mafia remaining since they were the ones to vote for QS and Shockeyy first
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Crap I thought voting was closed in a few hours not like 5 hours ago. Quickstriker was green, so we STILL haven't got any clues straight. Do we have ANY blues left??? Also I'm VERY suprised that no_re didn't get lynched. I thought we as a town decided that he was almost certainly mafia. People who DIDN'T vote for no_re maybe could explain themselves?
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On January 30 2010 07:51 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 06:00 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 30 2010 05:52 JadeFist wrote:
dozko and johnnyspazz, I'm telling you... Empty accusation. Tell us why. Because he has a birthday icon.
You're a birthday icon.
There really isn't much we can do at this point. Any remaining medics should look to protect me, since tree.hugger is accounted for. DTs should also come forward and PM me/tree - because, as I've said, if either of us is mafia it's pretty much GG at this point.
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I didn't vote for no_re because I can be sure that I am a townie
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although im not sure there is anything I can say that will save me with the next lynchings =p
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On January 24 2010 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Day 2 The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
Guys...why haven't we noticed this before?
You notice where I bolded...Shouldn't all of those be they instead of the?
...
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has Sagaz posted at all? Omg...all these people not posting and giving ANY sort of analysis is really hurting right now....
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^ what does that tell us though? To be honest I find it hard to see how we can win, since we dont have a double lynch next and even if we get a mafia they still have full KP, so thats -6 townies over the two nights...
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On January 30 2010 10:20 no_re wrote:
I didn't vote for no_re because I can be sure that I am a townie
figure out who the rest of the mafia are, because so far it seems you've been wrong
we'll see if we can win tomorrow morning...
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ugh god damnit i made such terrible decisions this game
its ok ill learn from my mistakes since this is my first mafia game
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On January 30 2010 10:42 dozko wrote:
^ what does that tell us though? To be honest I find it hard to see how we can win, since we dont have a double lynch next and even if we get a mafia they still have full KP, so thats -6 townies over the two nights...
quick to give up....seriously suspicious...and the Johnnyspazz....I think you both are mafia....starting a negative bandwagon and what not...
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On January 30 2010 14:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 10:42 dozko wrote:
^ what does that tell us though? To be honest I find it hard to see how we can win, since we dont have a double lynch next and even if we get a mafia they still have full KP, so thats -6 townies over the two nights... quick to give up....seriously suspicious...and the Johnnyspazz....I think you both are mafia....starting a negative bandwagon and what not...
Screw you, look where you got me. Dead!
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Good job guys, I've been passed out and sick for the past several days only to expected to be lynched by my fellow townies who lack sensible logic to win. But don't worry, I still have hope for the town to win despite the fact no one is probably going to post as much and we wont have like even as close to 50 pages in this game. I'd say 44 max but even that is sketchy....
GG
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i have a hunch sidesprang and no_re are both mafia. i don't have clues to back this up but their voting history are very similar
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The fact that Xelin was killed means he was probably right on a lot of his accusations, even though there was a high chance of him being lynched, the mafia decided he needed to be killed for sure.
this quote by no_re was a response to Xelin's list of potential mafia
ShoCkey
Dozko
Quickstriker
Haster
~OpZ~
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
and 4/7 are definitely not mafia in that list
no_re called Xelin a great player yet he was absolutely terrible at guessing who mafia was. Xelin was on QS's ass from the beginning and look where that got us. i honestly think no_re was supporting Xelin so much because he knew how wrong Xelin was and that would lead to lynching greens and blues.
im so mad at myself for not reading carefully. i missed the part where no_re was considered mafia, UGH.
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i hope we can perform some sort of miracle and win this game cause that would be awesome
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I am not quick to give up, I am merely stating the facts. I mean look what happened the mafia fooled us with their obvious strategy to lynch Xelin so that we would go after the people he suspected.
I mean sure the clues did match QS but a quick look and think over the posting and voting of the last day was enough to convince me that QS wasnt mafia, GIVEN that I had already written like 400 words in his accusation. This should speak plenty of the strength of my belief that QS was not mafia yet no one bothered to change their votes. Further the clue that got shockeyy lynched was utterly far fetched and such a poor connection yet so many voted for it so quickly.
Another fact to not be optimistic about is that we STILL do not know whether our mayor is mafia or not. Not to mention most of our blues were either quickly killed or inactive.
In short we need to lynch one of no_re, jonoman, royw, and sidesprang - since they were the people to so quickly vote and stay locked in on two innocents. Hopefully the person we go for should be red an we'll be in it with a chance. However that will depend largely on our mayor and whether or not he votes correctly since you see how hard it is to overpower an obviously wrong vote.
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On January 30 2010 17:37 QuickStriker wrote:
Good job guys, I've been passed out and sick for the past several days only to expected to be lynched by my fellow townies who lack sensible logic to win. But don't worry, I still have hope for the town to win despite the fact no one is probably going to post as much and we wont have like even as close to 50 pages in this game. I'd say 44 max but even that is sketchy....
GG
there'll probably be a lot of after-game discussion so don't worry about that
I wish you had said something
sorry we lynched you =(
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We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment.
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On January 31 2010 01:57 Fulgrim wrote:
We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment.
Why didnt you vote for him? Tbh I think you're mob too just because of the warhammer 40k thing and because you didnt vote. In fact I still maintain the opinion its best to lynch jonoman first.
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On January 31 2010 01:57 Fulgrim wrote:
We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment.
Why am I included in that list when it's clear that I did vote for him?
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On January 31 2010 02:10 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 01:57 Fulgrim wrote:
We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment. Why am I included in that list when it's clear that I did vote for him?
FML, I'm an idiot and misread your post
we have 30 minutes, maybe an hour before it's over? we'll see, then...
again I'm going to call out iloveKT since he voted for 7Strife for no apparent reason
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 31 2010 02:12 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 02:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 31 2010 01:57 Fulgrim wrote:
We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment. Why am I included in that list when it's clear that I did vote for him? again I'm going to call out iloveKT since he voted for 7Strife for no apparent reason
Wait, that's so weird. It was such an inconsequential pick that I hardly even noticed it. That's very funny.
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On January 31 2010 02:03 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 01:57 Fulgrim wrote:
We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment. Why didnt you vote for him? Tbh I think you're mob too just because of the warhammer 40k thing and because you didnt vote. In fact I still maintain the opinion its best to lynch jonoman first.
I missed the vote... I know its a bad excuse but I thought it ended later. I don't see how me not voting would make me mob though, more likely make me modkilled =P
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On January 31 2010 01:57 Fulgrim wrote:
We need to lynch no_re tomorrow becaue he is our biggest lead at the moment, and at this point we can't afford to lose another townie. So my vote will be no_re and double lynch for the next day. I'm very suspicious of all the people who DIDN'T vote for no_re (dozko, d3_crescentia, OpZ, decafchicken, ShoCkeyy all did). d3 had some very conclusive evidence to no_re's alignment.
im sorry if i look suspicious but i honestly went with the majority thinking they were all town aligned. i completely missed the part where d3 wrote about no_re because i was skimming through the posts and not reading them carefully.
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On January 30 2010 17:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 14:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 30 2010 10:42 dozko wrote:
^ what does that tell us though? To be honest I find it hard to see how we can win, since we dont have a double lynch next and even if we get a mafia they still have full KP, so thats -6 townies over the two nights... quick to give up....seriously suspicious...and the Johnnyspazz....I think you both are mafia....starting a negative bandwagon and what not... Screw you, look where you got me. Dead!
Dude...Seriously....All the clues I attached to you were all of the same origin and all of the same mafia member....I'm sorry the way I was thinking matched EVERYTHING to you...Dozko seems to be ignoring my posts where I stated just how much was capable to be connected to you, which SERIOUSLY makes me suspicious of him.
On January 30 2010 18:34 johnnyspazz wrote:and 4/7 are definitely not mafia in that list no_re called Xelin a great player yet he was absolutely terrible at guessing who mafia was. Xelin was on QS's ass from the beginning and look where that got us. i honestly think no_re was supporting Xelin so much because he knew how wrong Xelin was and that would lead to lynching greens and blues. im so mad at myself for not reading carefully. i missed the part where no_re was considered mafia, UGH.
...How can you possibly know that. I'm assuming your including yourself in that 4/7 but we only know QS and Shockeyy because they're dead....so that's only definitely 2...I'm not mafia and I know that so its 3 to me, and 4 if I knew you weren't.
All right...Decaf hasn't said shit...iLoveKt hasn't said shit, jadefist hasn't said shit, RoyW hasn't been saying anything for a while, VelkanKnight just all about stopped talking, has haster made over 3 posts in this thread? What about Sagaz...
-_-
So much quiet.
Closest I came to finding any other clues, JohnnySpazz is a guitarist who plays bass
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Really guys....mafia are getting us by being quiet....
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also...I'm back home, so having my desktop makes searching easier....but shit....
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Okay. I've thought through most of the scenarios, and I've figured out how we could possibly win. It'll be tough.
Conditions below, where these MUST be fulfilled for the town to win.
Condition 1: The Mayor is town-aligned.
Condition 2: The town's lynches are 100% accurate.
Subconditions below, where AT LEAST ONE of them must be fulfilled for us to win.
Subcondition 1: The Mayor survives to Day 8.
Subcondition 2: The Sheriff survives to Day 5.
Subcondition 3: There exists at least 1 Veteran.
For Subconditions 1, 2 to be fulfilled we have to presume there is at least another Medic or Bodyguard in existence.
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Blargh, a few more things...
Condition 1: Revised - All elected officials are town-aligned.
Subcondition 3a: If a Veteran exists, the mafia MUST target him on Night 3 or 4.
This is what we have to work with. If anyone claims vet at this point, we should be very suspicious of what he has to say since the GF can fake Vet though we should avoid lynching him immediately. If the mafia decides to buy into this idea, it will benefit the town in the short run if we lynch the rest of the mafia with 100% accuracy, but it puts us into a dangerous situation in the late game (3v2 or 2v1 situations, etc.) I am hoping the last DT will survive until then.
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what is it that veteran's do?
also opz, its obvious none of the clues point to me and they couldn't because im not mafia
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 31 2010 10:01 d3_crescentia wrote:
Blargh, a few more things...
Condition 1: Revised - All elected officials are town-aligned.
Subcondition 3a: If a Veteran exists, the mafia MUST target him on Night 3 or 4.
This is what we have to work with. If anyone claims vet at this point, we should be very suspicious of what he has to say since the GF can fake Vet though we should avoid lynching him immediately. If the mafia decides to buy into this idea, it will benefit the town in the short run if we lynch the rest of the mafia with 100% accuracy, but it puts us into a dangerous situation in the late game (3v2 or 2v1 situations, etc.) I am hoping the last DT will survive until then.
Well, d3, if you're mafia, then you can probably just say it, and we'll gg right now.
As the mafia well know, I'm a townie. Otherwise, we've had the funny occasion of both elected officals being townies, which is actually quite funny given the level of speculation about the race.
Also, to the last remaining DT that's out there- it's seriously time to roleclaim to me. Whatever you know, I NEED to know, because I NEED to know who to vote for. I mean seriously, it's time you said something useful.
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On January 31 2010 11:21 johnnyspazz wrote:
what is it that veteran's do?
also opz, its obvious none of the clues point to me and they couldn't because im not mafia
Veterans need to be killed twice to die.
And, to drop the pretenses... I am not mafia. I'm hoping I'm the Miller, but I'll settle for good old Townie.
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tree.hugger, you should watch out for mafia playing you with false roleclaims...
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Sweet, we are down to 2 mafioso.
C'mon guys you can do it!
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On January 31 2010 13:37 flamewheel91 wrote:
Sweet, we are down to 2 mafioso.
C'mon guys you can do it!
Wrong thread buddy...
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On January 31 2010 17:26 johnnyspazz wrote:
when is night coming?
in about 14-16 hours.
Sorry for the delay, but some things have popped up unexpectedly for me today and I won't be able to toss the post up till after work tommorrow.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On January 31 2010 15:17 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 13:37 flamewheel91 wrote:
Sweet, we are down to 2 mafioso.
C'mon guys you can do it! Wrong thread buddy...
Nah I pop into this thread all the time. I just wanted to brag about my (the other) town's achievements.
And then the second sentence is like "yo dudes step up your game!"
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cross posting mafia threads flaunting your success is pretty stupid...
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Day 4
The night was ripe for death. Both Town and Mafia knew this well. The two groups knew a major fight was going to happen, and today the two sides clashed. Dozko, ~opz~ and d3_cresentia had decided to take the fight to the mafia. The sheriff and a few of his men patrolled the streets, moving towards a warehouse they had seen people moving towards earlier that day. Each of them drew their guns, and sliding open the door they entered the building. Silently they motioned, and each split to spread out their search.
~opz~ moved to the upper levels of the building, peering into each shadow intently. As he made his way along the floor, he noticed someone moving in the rafters. He climbed up and aimed his gun. Taking the second to realize it wasn’t one of his comrades he fired once, only to watch in shock as the man drew a long slender blade from a sheathe, cut the bullet in two and charged. ~opz~ fired again, watched the man stop, raise his blade and again cut the projectile. ~opz~ never got to fire again, as the man drove the blade into his shoulder, sending him crashing in a heap to the floor below.
Dozko had been moving through the stacks when he heard the gun shots from above. He then saw a figure fall to the ground and headed to the area himself. As he approached his fallen comrade, he watched a man walk towards him with a knife. As Dozko began to raise his weapon, he saw the main throw something at him, burning his eyes. Unable to see, Dozko was quickly stabbed to death.
D3_cresentia heard the shots, and made his way along the back wall towards the sounds. As he was running he saw a man at a table, pencil in hand rapidly moving. Slowly moving behind the man, he raised the butt of his gun to hit him, when he realized he couldn’t read or understand what he was seeing on the mans paper. In his moment of shock, the man turned and yelled “your blocking my light” and stabbed d3_cresentia in the eye with his pencil.
[no clues area]
Dozko and ~opz~ the townies
D3_cresentia the sheriff are dead.
Voting can be found Here
You guys got 48 hours to vote.
[/no clues area]
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Well guys, it was a good run. Hope there's a veteran out there somewhere so you have a chance of winning. =]
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Damn, d3, my days are now numbered. (Specifically; "1")
I confess myself amazed that we both were actually townies. Thank you for helping me bluff my way through the night, hopefully we can kill a mafia in your memory.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On February 01 2010 08:52 johnnyspazz wrote:
cross posting mafia threads flaunting your success is pretty stupid...
I'm really tempted to just write "no you!"
Resist temptation...
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On February 01 2010 10:25 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2010 08:52 johnnyspazz wrote:
cross posting mafia threads flaunting your success is pretty stupid... I'm really tempted to just write "no you!" Resist temptation...
stop trolling my game....even if it does make it seem more active
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is there even any chance of us winning?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On February 01 2010 11:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2010 10:25 flamewheel91 wrote:On February 01 2010 08:52 johnnyspazz wrote:
cross posting mafia threads flaunting your success is pretty stupid... I'm really tempted to just write "no you!" Resist temptation... stop trolling my game....even if it does make it seem more active
Apologies BC I'll stop and just lurk/read from now on
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Hello anyone there? Oh wait nevermind, our three most active posters just got killed. I think for reasons stated by d3 before we should lynch no_re, and also vote for a double lynch the next day. It ain't over till its over
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Here is my insight of our current situation:
1) Our Mayor is town (game would be over if he wasn't)
a) This is the last day our mayor will live
2) We still have one DT left
The last DT should roleclaim to tree.hugger and pass on any information that he can give before we lose our only confirmed townie this game. We can start by lynching no_re, because he's pretty red, but we still need to know if there is other information out there. I think we should try and keep this thread alive during this day cycle if we want to have any chance of winning this thing.
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betting $20 decafchicken is mafia
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if your not mafia then vote for double lynch and no_re asap
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Okay I'm pretty sure Sidesprang, RoyW, Jonoman92, iLoveKT, no_re are all mafia based on voting trends, that just leaves one person left. I think clues are way to hard to analyze >_<
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actually strike that i think jonoman92 is town aligned
boy i love talking to myself
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*as I fall*
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[/Death]
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I'm disappointed...
Why is Ace allowed to jump in our game and state who he thinks is mafia?
Ciao....Me and D3 will be busy discussing blatantly obvious mafia members, and the only thing I would like, tree.hugger, pm me...I seriously wanna know, and I'm too impatient.
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i don't really know what to say to convince you guys that im not mafia other than there is no clue towards me beeing a mafia. So if your gonna vote off someone dont start with me cause they you lose another townie.
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On February 02 2010 00:30 sidesprang wrote:
i don't really know what to say to convince you guys that im not mafia other than there is no clue towards me beeing a mafia. So if your gonna vote off someone dont start with me cause they you lose another townie.
please vote for double lynch and no_re as soon as you can then
how stupid would it be if there were enough inactive members so that the mafia can just lynch a townie...
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funnily enough Im the only one that can see its over since im townie, doubt I can convince you =[
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On February 02 2010 09:31 no_re wrote:
funnily enough Im the only one that can see its over since im townie, doubt I can convince you =[
perhaps you have a better suggestion then?
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Well...I think the day is done, or should be closing.....
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On February 02 2010 11:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Well...I think the day is done, or should be closing.....
days are 48 hours, so there's still another ~23 hours left
also, you should edit your previous post since 1) it breaks the layout and 2) you're dead so editing isn't as big of a deal especially since it doesn't really say much
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
What is the (textual) evidence against no_re, besides d3/Iaaan's gambit? I want to know if we can connect him to a single murder.
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Little, because he has no sig or picture so it could only come from his name. I will search tomorrow morning, but tonight have too much work.
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On February 01 2010 23:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*as I fall*
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[/Death]
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I'm disappointed...
Why is Ace allowed to jump in our game and state who he thinks is mafia?
Ciao....Me and D3 will be busy discussing blatantly obvious mafia members, and the only thing I would like, tree.hugger, pm me...I seriously wanna know, and I'm too impatient.
Because Ace is a dirty meddling troll Also, that comment means nothing; he's just picking on his friends from dota.
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On February 02 2010 10:28 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2010 09:31 no_re wrote:
funnily enough Im the only one that can see its over since im townie, doubt I can convince you =[ perhaps you have a better suggestion then?
I've lost faith in my thoughts since they've mostly turned out green, so i'm going to vote for sidesprang since he seem's a popular vote with most others.
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On February 02 2010 13:13 no_re wrote:
sidesprang since he seem's a popular vote with most others.
by most others do you mean tree.hugger? lol
it makes you two look like mafia but then if tree.hugger was mafia then its GG right?
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Night 4
The last remnants of the town dragged sidesprang and forced his head under the noose. With a quick drop, the sidesprang dangled in the air.
At this point the town gazed in horror, as they could no longer win.
Game cannot be won by town now for number of reasons
a) its 7 town vs 6 mafia, even with a 100% red lynch rec, mafia still wins and
b) Part of the town is now inactive, mafia can easily bulldog any vote.
Game is over, Mafia win it. I will do a brief writeup momentarily.
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Role list
Detectives
Lunaticman
Sagaz
Vigilantes
I10f
Toplexa
Medics
Iplaythings
Nigol
Veteran
Tree.hugger
Bodyguards
Quickstriker
Fishball
Millers
Drinking
No_Re
Mafia
Decafchicken (GF)
Fulgrim
Jonoman92
7strife
Velkanknight
Royw
IloveKt
Townies
Everyone else
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Night action list
Night 1
Mafia hits
Itspaul
Toplexa
I10f
Sagaz checks I10f
Night 2
Mafia hits
Xelin
Fishball
Iaaan
Sagaz asks if a huge segment of text linked to d3_cresentia
Night 3
Mafia hits
~opz~
Dozko
D3_cresentia
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As for clues.
Night 1
+ Show Spoiler + One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse,(IloveKT) and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done. (fulgrim)
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder.(7strife) The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
Night 2
+ Show Spoiler +
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.(royw)
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls.(jonoman92) Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position. He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead.(7strife) His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.
Night 3
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The night was cold, very cold. That is what it seemed to Xelin. The man swam faster and faster to escape his foe. He looked back and didn’t see anyone and swam to the safety of the shore. As he pulled himself from the water he looked up to see a man leering down at him. Before Xelin could run, a branded hand grabbed him by the neck and strangled the life out of him.(Velkanknight) Xelin body would be found floating amongst some rocks in the morning.
Across town, two men had decided to setup in their home to survive the night. Both took up arms, and had barricaded the doors and windows. Both had then taken to different rooms, not sure if they should trust eachother further. Fishball was in the living room relaxing, gun across his legs. He heard the sound of movement from outside the house and knew it was nothing to worry about with the house locked down. The sound eventually stopped, and fishball turned the tv on low. He then heard something in the basement, then stood up and turned in time to see the basement door fly open, and a man in black charge him. Before he could fire, the mafia had already stabbed his blade into fishball and then ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up.(7Strife)
During this same period of waiting, Iaaan was in the kitchen, with a few knives on the table for his own protection. He checked his watch and saw that it was 2 am. He heard the commotion from the living room, drew a knife and moved towards it. Just as he entered the room, he heard a noise from behind him, he turned and lashed out with his knife, only to have his arm blocked by the man in black. Before he could make another move, a knife was driven into Iaaan s heart. As he fell, his eyes gazed down to his watch, nothing had changed. (Fulgrim)
Night 4
+ Show Spoiler +
The night was ripe for death. Both Town and Mafia knew this well. The two groups knew a major fight was going to happen, and today the two sides clashed. Dozko, ~opz~ and d3_cresentia had decided to take the fight to the mafia. The sheriff and a few of his men patrolled the streets, moving towards a warehouse they had seen people moving towards earlier that day. Each of them drew their guns, and sliding open the door they entered the building. Silently they motioned, and each split to spread out their search.
~opz~ moved to the upper levels of the building, peering into each shadow intently. As he made his way along the floor, he noticed someone moving in the rafters. He climbed up and aimed his gun. Taking the second to realize it wasn’t one of his comrades he fired once, only to watch in shock as the man drew a long slender blade from a sheathe, cut the bullet in two and charged. ~opz~ fired again, watched the man stop, raise his blade and again cut the projectile.(royw) ~opz~ never got to fire again, as the man drove the blade into his shoulder, sending him crashing in a heap to the floor below.
Dozko had been moving through the stacks when he heard the gun shots from above. He then saw a figure fall to the ground and headed to the area himself. As he approached his fallen comrade, he watched a man walk towards him with a knife. As Dozko began to raise his weapon, he saw the man throw something at him, burning his eyes. Unable to see, Dozko was quickly stabbed to death. (Decafchicken)
D3_cresentia heard the shots, and made his way along the back wall towards the sounds. As he was running he saw a man at a table, pencil in hand rapidly moving. Slowly moving behind the man, he raised the butt of his gun to hit him, when he realized he couldn’t read or understand what he was seeing on the mans paper. In his moment of shock, the man turned and yelled “your blocking my light”(Jonoman92) and stabbed d3_cresentia in the eye with his pencil.
Decafchicken’s clue was based on the name “sweetlemon” in his signature
Fulgrim has a part that says “end of time” so I centered around that he ended things, I used the stopping of time as an example in a clue.
7Strife was cloud from ff7, each kill was a limit break per se.
RoyW was Roy from super smash (I just had him doing the counter attack move)
Jonoman92 was an arcologist
VelkanKnight was a loli lover + part of a brigade(hense the brand).
IloveKt was going to be pulses of things, light, sound, etc.. based on his picture.
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Goddamnit. I don't know why people decided to pick sidesprang instead of looking at votes and killing ILoveKT for his telling 7Strife vote... and once he voted for no_re I was sure that he was mafia. But I suppose by then it was too late to do anything, what with the majority of the town inactive and me dead and unable to provide arguments.
But seriously, look at that list of mafia; we predicted a lot of them but never lynched any of them. IloveKT was on my list for the longest time; we had Jonoman92 and RoyW by clues though personally I thought it would be an either-or scenario between them; and VelkanKnight was brought up once or twice but we never really pursued that. I got pretty suspicious of Fulgrim by the end because he was the last electoral candidate in the game, and if we wanted to follow the logic that the mafia put up their own candidate then knowing iaaan, XeliN, myself and tree.hugger were town should have put some doubt into other peoples' heads. Decafchicken as mafia doesn't surprise me, though I honestly don't know what sorts of clues would have pointed to him and so the thought of suspecting him never really even occurred to me.
Who else could we have suspected? Drinking? Haster27? Jadefist? Johnnyspazz? None of these seemed like mafia to me, and process of elimination would have narrowed the list down easier.
The other thing is that I realized how wrong my no_re accusation was after Day 4 went by and I saw his posts in the thread. If I'd been alive I would have told everyone to get their votes off of them.
But, no... I guess this just teaches me to trust my gut, no matter how weak the feeling is.
The town victory scenario, as unlikely as it was:
8 v 6 DAY 4 town kills 1 mafia; vote double lynch
8 v 5 NIGHT 4 mafia kills 2 town (hits 1 vet)
6 v 5 DAY 5 town kills 2 mafia
6 v 3 NIGHT 5 mafia kills 2 town
4 v 3 DAY 6 town kills 1 mafia
4 v 2 NIGHT 6 mafia kills 1 town
3 v 2 DAY 7 town kills 1 mafia
3 v 1 NIGHT 7 mafia kills 1 town
2 v 1 DAY 8 town kills 1 mafia
Of course since tree.hugger was vet then it wouldn't have mattered whenever mafia decided to kill him, because alive or dead his presence would have given the town a slight advantage. But, you know, town needed 100% accuracy... which was the big problem.
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Oh, so SagaZ was the DT, and he basically stopped posting. FML, seriously? He could've checked Jonoman/Roy on Night 3 and given us some legitimate followup.
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Thanks a lot for hosting BC. Whoever outed me for that technical writing clue, good job, you were right.
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WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER
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yeah, town got fucked over by blues dying/being inactive.
The most active blues were the ones without night actions, go fig
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Everyone ignoring me (except for the mafia) was a great move.
Hell, people inclined to go after Xelin's list instead of the suspects I've posted before.
Overall, there is too much behavioral analysis, bad behavioral analysis.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
My intent (as I pm'd to d3) was to vote Sidesprang and then see if anyone followed. Then nobody did anything, and I so I figured there was no way for us to win anyway.
Disappointing end.
I was never pm'd by Sagaz, and I just didn't have the time I had earlier in the game to do all the work.
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On February 03 2010 13:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
Thanks a lot for hosting BC. Whoever outed me for that technical writing clue, good job, you were right.
On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
Also
On January 24 2010 10:05 Fishball wrote:Sound clues IF they are clues, possible link: IloveKt
I've also brought up VelkanKnight, though it was a different clue interpretation.
All in all, I think people should focus more on clue analysis and less on behavioral analysis. Its just too easy to be lead in the wrong direction by the Mafia if you're not experienced or good enough.
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gg. thanks BC for hosting. just sad that the game was filled with inactives.
So we got screwed on elections because fulgrim didnt win (lol i still dont know what happened). But we got lucky town lynched a DT (who was inactive anyway?) and we got lucky and killed not 1 but BOTH vigis on night 1. Considering the activity level, I thought it was gg after night 1.
heres my pm about night 1 kills:
I propose to kill:
1.toplexa. I reckon he has an important role for the old guy to be replaced. If not then we do it for the lulz. He just enters the game and he dies immediately.
2.ItsPaul. I think he is a blue. He run for office immediately after day 1 post but withdrew afterwards.
3.|10f. He can be too active if he decides too.
comments?
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Thank you so much for hosting. I enjoyed my first game of Mafia
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GG guys, mafia won because of inactivity, had the blues been active this game would have turned out differently I think. Our mafia was really unorganized, we never actually heard anything from the inactive 7strife. I decided to run from the start to maybe throw off suspicion of me being mafia (mafia candidates might run later after they get organized?). We pm'd alot the first day, and then rarely pm'ed each other afterwards, so we were basically on our own. Most of the other mafia layed low, which I guess was an advantage for us because they were always out of the spotlight. Our plan was to elect me Sheriff, and Xelin mayor (who would lynch QS, cause alot of suspicion thrown on him, and maybe be lynched himself), though this weird 3 way tie thing happened, and the two people I was afraid of getting into office got into office.... As for clue analysis, many people were wrong in there suspicions of mafia toward the beginning, and whenever IloveKT's sound waves got brought up, I tried to post some different clues relating to other people to change the discussion, which mainly worked. I didn't get accused of being mafia until much later, although then it was still pretty much over for town. D3's last post was a real gift for the mafia, he gave pretty good evidence that no_re was mafia, so it was easy to jump on that bandwagon and move the town that way.
After Night 1 I was basically choosing all of the targets for our kills, sorry mafia I didn't see you guys being active so I took the initiative mainly. And sorry to those that I killed, nothing personal (except those who were accusing me of being mafia and got killed =P). I mainly chose to kill active people, because all we needed to do is make sure that the thread is dead and we win. I probably should have killed dozko sooner, because he had some really good analysis in his posts. When we killed Xelin, I was hoping that the town would split into two sides and QS and dozko would be lynched. Unfortunately while QS did end up getting lynched, the town hardly was split, and suspected the mafia had killed Xelin just to cause arguements. Killing Xelin and Iaaan who were involved in this situation with no_re was complete luck. Also killing both Vigi's on the first night was luck. (at the beginning I was really scared of medics, so we avoided the most popular targets)
I actually did accidently miss two votes, it wasn't some clever mafia ploy.
GG all, thanks BC for host, next time I'll hopefully be on the town's side.
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^ also I was entertained by tree.huggers vote for me for the election, saying that I was too noob to be mafia
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On February 03 2010 15:19 Fishball wrote:
Everyone ignoring me (except for the mafia) was a great move.
Hell, people inclined to go after Xelin's list instead of the suspects I've posted before.
Overall, there is too much behavioral analysis, bad behavioral analysis.
Yeah fishball, alot of people with good analysis got ignored, which kind of sucked, and usually would get them killed by mafia.
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Damn fulgrim you dirty mobster suspected you from the beginning after the day 1 election, you should've gone down
Also im happy my suspicions of jonoman were confirmed although he too evaded the lynch.
To be honest we would've got ilovekt and velkanknight but we were looking too hard for clues and missing the obvious ones which turned out to be correct.
The others however im not too sure we would've got unless we got lucky because they basically posted nothing.
Thanks BC for hosting the game and gg mob.
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On February 03 2010 15:52 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 13:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
Thanks a lot for hosting BC. Whoever outed me for that technical writing clue, good job, you were right. Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at. Also I've also brought up VelkanKnight, though it was a different clue interpretation. All in all, I think people should focus more on clue analysis and less on behavioral analysis. Its just too easy to be lead in the wrong direction by the Mafia if you're not experienced or good enough.
You also pm'd me "Die godfather!" when i was in fact the godfather ^_^
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lol damn i thought fulgrim was town alligned its the only one that surprised me at the end. overall this was a terrible game imo
i hope the next one i play in isnt as inactive
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haha yeah sorry johnnyspazz, I was red. I tried really hard to act like a townie though all the time
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On February 04 2010 02:19 johnnyspazz wrote:lol damn i thought fulgrim was town alligned its the only one that surprised me at the end. overall this was a terrible game imo i hope the next one i play in isnt as inactive
next major game held will most likely be a mix of the regular players and the ones from the last two games should be much more active
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On February 04 2010 02:07 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 15:52 Fishball wrote:On February 03 2010 13:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
Thanks a lot for hosting BC. Whoever outed me for that technical writing clue, good job, you were right. On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at. Also On January 24 2010 10:05 Fishball wrote:Sound clues IF they are clues, possible link: IloveKt I've also brought up VelkanKnight, though it was a different clue interpretation. All in all, I think people should focus more on clue analysis and less on behavioral analysis. Its just too easy to be lead in the wrong direction by the Mafia if you're not experienced or good enough. You also pm'd me "Die godfather!" when i was in fact the godfather ^_^
Oh, yeah.
That was after my death, so I already knew who was Mafia.
BC said there were no clues towards the Godfather until Day 4, so at that point of the game, there is no way I can confirm you are the Godfather, let alone Mafia.
I was bored so I pm'd you, but you never replied.
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Dammit, Fulgrim, I *knew* the mafia had some sort of weird back-Xelin plan. Though by the time I figured out no_re really was townie, I was already dead. I was really hoping someone would be able to see through his posts and tell that he was innocent after all.
It's just annoying because whenever we cast out an accusation I was hoping that they would come back and respond to it... but they never did and so my mind moved onto someone else. Funny how that happens.
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lol Xelin was too funny. He was wrong in everything, so we backed him up. haha.
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Thanks for hosting BC ^^
The inactivity of alot of people really sucked, but it was fun to start getting into mafia.
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On February 04 2010 08:04 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dammit, Fulgrim, I *knew* the mafia had some sort of weird back-Xelin plan. Though by the time I figured out no_re really was townie, I was already dead. I was really hoping someone would be able to see through his posts and tell that he was innocent after all.
It's just annoying because whenever we cast out an accusation I was hoping that they would come back and respond to it... but they never did and so my mind moved onto someone else. Funny how that happens.
Haha yeah, we thought that we could get Xelin elected, but somehow I ended up voting for Iaaan.... and the whole thing fell apart. Your right, nobody really responded to their accusers this game, and playing without most of the mafia posting, and without DT's, Vigi's, or medics was pretty difficult.
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Well it was fun...
Sorry Xelin and QS, hope we don't discourage you from participating in the next one...
Anyway...Yea...GG -_-
God damn inactivity, allowing so many things to slip through.
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lol KT i just got abit carried away and some of the townies seemed to be acting so obviously Mafia to me it was surreal seeing the final list.
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On February 04 2010 08:51 XeliN wrote:
lol KT i just got abit carried away and some of the townies seemed to be acting so obviously Mafia to me it was surreal seeing the final list.
let that be a lesson to you:
nothing is ever what it seems
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On February 04 2010 10:40 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2010 08:51 XeliN wrote:
lol KT i just got abit carried away and some of the townies seemed to be acting so obviously Mafia to me it was surreal seeing the final list. let that be a lesson to you: nothing is ever what it seems
You seem to know what you are talking about.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On February 04 2010 11:46 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2010 10:40 d3_crescentia wrote:On February 04 2010 08:51 XeliN wrote:
lol KT i just got abit carried away and some of the townies seemed to be acting so obviously Mafia to me it was surreal seeing the final list. let that be a lesson to you: nothing is ever what it seems You seem to know what you are talking about. + Show Spoiler +
man if I had to go back in time and smack myself in the face with some wisdom it'd be right out of starfox - never give up; trust your instincts!
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^yeah, Cresentia talked to me about like 7 or 8 people, and 5 or 6 of them were Mafia. They never ended up getting lynched tho.... lol.
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I'm sorry for lurking over the entire game. I completely forgot about the midterm coming up, and although I did not attract much attention and harmed the town, played poorly and should not have registered for this one at all. For all other coming up case I promise I will be more participative.
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To catch a red or someone you suspect on it, you really have to push the opinion. This game, you all like, opted to purely look at clues for awhile (which is great) but during the day 1-day 2 area, you almost will never catch one based off a clue correctly. Obvious redherrings in single word use is also something to typically avoid. Ie. quickstriker.
I cannot speak to every hosts preference, but generally, a mafia will fit a specific theme. That means if it says they are a goat in their profile, every clue could be a reference to a goat somehow.
The easiest way to figure this out is to find words or phrases that although work, seem oddly worded, or the action is one that seems odd. Why was something that is considered "trivial" written about, etc...
It takes alot of night posts to really build a solid clue sheet to run off of.
I love analyzing clues, moreso than some, but over the last few games i have grown a large appreciation for behavioural analyzing. Behaviour is much much stronger early game, and lategame clues become much stronger (less people makes it easier to connect things to).
that all being said, you also have to have the ability to firmly stamp out who you think is red, why, with decent reasoning behind you (analyzing post behaviour, clues, whatever. TRY NO TO EMPHASIZE PM'S AS YOUR REASON, PM'S CAN NO BE PROVEN). If you have a detailed thorough analysis, it will cause people to talk, or at least it should. Once this is done, you have alot more for the town to analyze in terms of posts, voting, whatever. If you successfully nab a red in your analysis, you can likely get 1-2 more reds from targeting them and so on.
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Decafchicken
I FUCKING KNEW IT!
I had posted him a long ass time ago T_T
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On February 05 2010 04:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I cannot speak to every hosts preference, but generally, a mafia will fit a specific theme. That means if it says they are a goat in their profile, every clue could be a reference to a goat somehow.
The easiest way to figure this out is to find words or phrases that although work, seem oddly worded, or the action is one that seems odd. Why was something that is considered "trivial" written about, etc...
It takes alot of night posts to really build a solid clue sheet to run off of.
Hmph! Amber was a goat/sheep! Not just a goat!
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On February 05 2010 04:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
To catch a red or someone you suspect on it, you really have to push the opinion. This game, you all like, opted to purely look at clues for awhile (which is great) but during the day 1-day 2 area, you almost will never catch one based off a clue correctly. Obvious redherrings in single word use is also something to typically avoid. Ie. quickstriker.
PATENTLY FALSE.
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On February 07 2010 06:09 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2010 04:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
To catch a red or someone you suspect on it, you really have to push the opinion. This game, you all like, opted to purely look at clues for awhile (which is great) but during the day 1-day 2 area, you almost will never catch one based off a clue correctly. Obvious redherrings in single word use is also something to typically avoid. Ie. quickstriker. PATENTLY FALSE.
umm no its true. You can catch someone off clues day 1-2 but its insanely rare its not like we do it every game correctly.
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On February 05 2010 04:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
To catch a red or someone you suspect on it, you really have to push the opinion. This game, you all like, opted to purely look at clues for awhile (which is great) but during the day 1-day 2 area, you almost will never catch one based off a clue correctly. Obvious redherrings in single word use is also something to typically avoid. Ie. quickstriker. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FIRST DAY CLUE ANALYSIS IS PURE GOLD.
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On February 07 2010 07:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 06:09 L wrote:On February 05 2010 04:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
To catch a red or someone you suspect on it, you really have to push the opinion. This game, you all like, opted to purely look at clues for awhile (which is great) but during the day 1-day 2 area, you almost will never catch one based off a clue correctly. Obvious redherrings in single word use is also something to typically avoid. Ie. quickstriker. PATENTLY FALSE. umm no its true. You can catch someone off clues day 1-2 but its insanely rare its not like we do it every game correctly.
He still remembers Mafia 2 lol. Then again that was a ridiculous number of factors that led to the mass mafia death train.
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but seriously, those day 1 clues? did not make any real sense to me as to who they could be pointing to T_T
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day 1 clues are going to be hard to get, they just have to be
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Bloody was the "quick attack "clue" intentional? i.e. did you specifically word it like that knowing it could be linked to quick just to throw people off?
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On February 07 2010 12:53 XeliN wrote:
Bloody was the "quick attack "clue" intentional? i.e. did you specifically word it like that knowing it could be linked to quick just to throw people off?
If something is THAT blatant, it generally is a red herring.
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On February 07 2010 13:10 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 12:53 XeliN wrote:
Bloody was the "quick attack "clue" intentional? i.e. did you specifically word it like that knowing it could be linked to quick just to throw people off?
If something is THAT blatant, it generally is a red herring.
There is a reason we fit "coffee" clues into most games. It's a long-running joke because the town would always lynch decafchicken based on coffee showing up in the day post. "Quick attack" is in the same vein of really obvious stuff that won't be a clue.
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I didn't know red herrings would be used in the game lol.
I spent a while thinking about it and thought that it makes absolutely no sense for it to be included by accident (most of the day//night posts are descriptive//imaginative and this stood out) so assumed it must be a clue.
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On February 07 2010 13:31 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 13:10 L wrote:On February 07 2010 12:53 XeliN wrote:
Bloody was the "quick attack "clue" intentional? i.e. did you specifically word it like that knowing it could be linked to quick just to throw people off?
If something is THAT blatant, it generally is a red herring. There is a reason we fit "coffee" clues into most games. It's a long-running joke because the town would always lynch decafchicken based on coffee showing up in the day post. "Quick attack" is in the same vein of really obvious stuff that won't be a clue.
Remember the Cheese Factory! The thing that makes clues hard is that you don't know how the host makes clues.
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lol....so...how long before you recuperate and we can play again?
=D
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Oh god, not the cheese factory...
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I'm really sorry for my inactivity. That's pretty much all I can say.
I got a job just a few days after the game started, the idea was to rolecheck some1 with a relative low profile (l10f) and, should he come out green or blue, get a trust motion going, using him to contact another role checked hight profile guy (I was planing quickstriker originaly) to get a godfather insurance.
Then, knowing I was not going to be able to participate any much longer, go out posting all the investigation done so far and having bound other active players.
Shit happened, l10f died first night and I wasn't really able to keep up with the game.
If you wonder what the clue check was, it was from the "long blade" of day 2, and I saw the picture of d3.
I "think" the guy was inuyasha, an anime guy that carrys arround a massive sword hehe.
gg anyways, it was fun while i lasted.
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On February 09 2010 06:36 SagaZ wrote:
I'm really sorry for my inactivity. That's pretty much all I can say.
I got a job just a few days after the game started, the idea was to rolecheck some1 with a relative low profile (l10f) and, should he come out green or blue, get a trust motion going, using him to contact another role checked hight profile guy (I was planing quickstriker originaly) to get a godfather insurance.
Then, knowing I was not going to be able to participate any much longer, go out posting all the investigation done so far and having bound other active players.
Shit happened, l10f died first night and I wasn't really able to keep up with the game.
If you wonder what the clue check was, it was from the "long blade" of day 2, and I saw the picture of d3.
I "think" the guy was inuyasha, an anime guy that carrys arround a massive sword hehe.
gg anyways, it was fun while i lasted.
Or maybe if you KNOW you won't be able to actively play, just tell the host? I mean, you're hurting your side pretty badly if you keep playing when you know you don't have the time. It's just common sense, people. -_-
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yeah, he could've swapped you out >_>
in fact I'm wishing more people did that this past game, but oh well.
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On February 09 2010 12:15 d3_crescentia wrote:
yeah, he could've swapped you out >_>
in fact I'm wishing more people did that this past game, but oh well.
I am wishing all my blues asked to swap out =\
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