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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
It goes in detail to explain the different units and their uses which were discovered over 2 days amongst other stuff. here's the article. http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/portals.php?show=page&name=starcraft-2-blizzcon-2009-starcraft-2-gameplay-thoughts | ||
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DarkSanta
Netherlands76 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
he biggest change is the removal of explosive damage, which dealt 50% base damage to small units. In the original Starcraft, this made units like Photon Cannons and Missile Turrets easy enough to knock down with nine to eleven mutalisks Photon Cannons don't deal explosive dmg, they deal normal  | ||
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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On September 02 2009 21:18 Jobbies wrote: I believe he spoke of the mutalisks doing explosive But they dont do explosive, they do normal. However, they are small size, hence recieve 50% dmg from turrets Corruptors and Brood Lords were not used much. Air units did not come up much, and those that did were either Vikings, which mutalisks dispatch easily, or phoenixes, which come out too early for corruptors to matter Were Medivacs and Ravens no longer that powerful as in previous builds or what? | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
As for the explosive damage turret thing, I just checked, my mistake there. At any rate, the point is that Photon cannons, either by dint of some other damage setup or by firing speed, are a lot more effective than in SC against Zerglings, Hydralisks and Mutalisks. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4329 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On September 03 2009 00:56 Shadowfury333 wrote: I mostly played ZvP, and the ZvT games I played focused on Hellions. Ravens were used in one game where I fast teched to Lurkers, rendering them somewhat moot. I never saw Medivacs. As for the explosive damage turret thing, I just checked, my mistake there. At any rate, the point is that Photon cannons, either by dint of some other damage setup or by firing speed, are a lot more effective than in SC against Zerglings, Hydralisks and Mutalisks. I don't know about cooldown or missile speed for the SC2 Photon Cannon vs. it's SC1 predecessor, but I do believe that Cannons are more sturdy in SC2 (125 health 125 shields 1 armor, whereas they had 100 health 100 shields 0 armor in SC1). The flipside is, Pylons are more fragile than in SC1 (200 health 200 shields, vs. 300 health 300 shields in SC1), which might make sniping pylons to power down an array of cannons more worthwhile. | ||
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rapistzerg
37 Posts
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Shalthrea
Japan34 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
It makes a big deal about explosive damage being removed, when it's not a big deal at all- it was replaced by a downright better system (better in the sense that it's more flexible- units are not forced into dealing exactly half damage vs. small). As far as I can tell, however, units that deal bonus damage vs. armored (the SC2 equivalent of explosive damage) tend to deal more than 50% of their full damage vs. Light units (the SC2 equivalent of small units). Eight Zerglings to kill a Zealot? I haven't played any version of SC2, and I can still tell this is BS. Unless the Zealot is one weapon upgrade ahead of the Zerglings' armor upgrades, I'm pretty sure 4 zerglings will kill a zealot in an open field (i.e. not fighting one zergling at a time through a narrow choke). There's also the fact that, as has been mentioned above, Cannons don't deal explosive damage in Brood Wars. So yeah. Given the above inaccuracies, I don't know how much to trust the rest of the article, which deals with matters I don't know first hand. | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
As for the 8 Zerglings to a Zealot, that is not a crock. If you haven't played it, it does seem unbelievable, but this is what many of us found. I honestly thought it was 6, but I talked to iCCup.Cold and he insisted it was 8. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4329 Posts
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
Did you notice significant changes in their attack rates? Zealots have 22 cooldown between attack (I assume that's 22 game cycles), while Zerglings have 8 cooldown, which means a zergling can get in roughly 3 attacks for every 1 attack from a zealot. Running some numbers, in order for a zealot to kill 7 lings by itself (assuming all the lings are hitting the zealot all the time, which is a big assumption), the cooldown values would have to be reversed- a zealot would have to attack 3 times for every time a zergling attacks. I find this to be farfetched, but as I said, I haven't played SC2. What are your impressions of zealot attack rate vs. zergling attack rate? EDIT: Was a little off with Zealot Shield values. | ||
RaGe
Belgium9942 Posts
On September 03 2009 03:13 Zato-1 wrote: Why would you need more lings to kill a zealot now? As far as I can tell, Zergling HP and damage per attack remain the same (35 HP, 5 damage), and Zealot damage is the same while shields are down (100 health / 50 shields / 16 damage, down from 100 health / 60 shields / 16 damage). Did you notice significant changes in their attack rates? Zealots have 22 cooldown between attack (I assume that's 22 game cycles), while Zerglings have 8 cooldown, which means a zergling can get in roughly 3 attacks for every 1 attack from a zealot. Running some numbers, in order for a zealot to kill 7 lings by itself (assuming all the lings are hitting the zealot all the time, which is a big assumption), the cooldown values would have to be reversed- a zealot would have to attack 3 times for every time a zergling attacks. I find this to be farfetched, but as I said, I haven't played SC2. What are your impressions of zealot attack rate vs. zergling attack rate? Maybe shield regeneration got faster, our damage calculations changed? Dunno | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On September 03 2009 03:16 RaGe wrote: Maybe shield regeneration got faster, our damage calculations changed? Dunno Shield regeneration rate is indeed faster, but it doesn't kick in while the unit is taking damage- there's a waiting period during which you can take no damage before you can regenerate anything at all. As to damage calculations... I'm basing my numbers from this data, which was updated after Blizzcon '09 (I just noticed Zealot shields were bumped back up to 60). If anyone has more accurate numbers, I'd love it if these could be revealed. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
combine this with the lack of a strong midgame ground unit, zerg seems to be in a rough position right now and what he meant by the "removal of explosive damage" problem is that mutalisks in sc1 would take half damage from many units/buildings, which is now gone | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
Zerglings seem to be very fast now and better at surrounding. It will help vs marines with their extra hp but it seems not so usefull vs zealots just duking it out. I am a bit worried about the lurker now. Tier 3 expensive. By the time lurkers get into play the battlefield is full of enemy detectors. | ||
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