EPTIf only T still have Medic, Firebat or a Vulture.
Gamereplays.org posts it's thoughts on Zerg. - Page 4
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genryou
Malaysia390 Posts
If only T still have Medic, Firebat or a Vulture. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 03 2009 13:56 genryou wrote: hmmrh, its hard to imagine how fast and how many lings can pop out that even 2 rax wont be able to move out. '__' If only T still have Medic, Firebat or a Vulture. The macro potential with the Queen is astounding. P.S. Vulture + Firebat = Hellion. ^^ | ||
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genryou
Malaysia390 Posts
P.S. Vulture + Firebat = Hellion. ^^ but Hellion didnt have Spider Mine. I think it will be useful to have Spider Mine to delayed Z 1-Based Hydras, and as far as I know, only Overseer capable of detection. Unfortunately, I cannot think of any units from SC2 that can keep up with Z production other than Marines. | ||
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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
On September 03 2009 14:45 genryou wrote: Unfortunately, I cannot think of any units from SC2 that can keep up with Z production other than Marines. Good. Zerg = massed forces. I hope hydra become a bit less powerful than they were in SC1 and become a massed unit too. As long as the other races can deal with it, I like the idea of more Zerg base units becomming even more massed than they use to be. Higher tier units should still be designed to be used (required?) in lesser numbers tho. Everyone always talks about how they think of the Zerg as a massed force, but when it comes down to it in actualy gameplay apart from lings and muta most of their units are not really used in mass in the way we like to imagine Zerg as. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
On September 03 2009 10:44 ArvickHero wrote: Hot Bid's article just totally trounced this one's.. Where is Hot Bids article? I can't find it | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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KingHillBilly
United States105 Posts
I'm sorry, I'm talking about SC2. Which game are you talking about? =p | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
It's too early to definitively say if anything is OP. I'm sure given two days people would be saying Shuttle - Reaver would be OP. | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
On September 04 2009 02:28 Aegraen wrote: Hydra's are considered a Light unit therefore you should be able to keep up with 2 rax + addon = 4 rax and then tech to hellions. You will force the Zerg to keep forces in defense due to the insane speed of Hellions. 100 MIN is insanely cheap for hellions also. I'm curious did anyone try wall + 2rax addon > Hellion harass into Medi + M with stim? Having 4 extra larva every 25-30 seconds shouldn't give such a large boost as to have 4x the amount of units as your opponent at the 5-6 min mark. It's too early to definitively say if anything is OP. I'm sure given two days people would be saying Shuttle - Reaver would be OP. Yes, a few people did try mass Hellions against me. I think one of them was inReach, but I'm not really sure. It would have been one of the first games of Blizzcon. Some of the other Gamereplays.org members I played against did use that as Terran. Hellions with their damage upgrade can completely mop the floor with Hydralisks, something I failed to take into account at first. I mean, coming from SC, where hydralisks beat vultures, and hydralisks beat firebats, why shouldn't hydralisks beat the combination? Simply put, the hellions have amazing range. Mind you, with all that larva, one can simply get a few dozen roaches to handle the hellions. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On September 04 2009 03:12 Shadowfury333 wrote: Yes, a few people did try mass Hellions against me. I think one of them was inReach, but I'm not really sure. It would have been one of the first games of Blizzcon. Some of the other Gamereplays.org members I played against did use that as Terran. Hellions with their damage upgrade can completely mop the floor with Hydralisks, something I failed to take into account at first. I mean, coming from SC, where hydralisks beat vultures, and hydralisks beat firebats, why shouldn't hydralisks beat the combination? Simply put, the hellions have amazing range. Mind you, with all that larva, one can simply get a few dozen roaches to handle the hellions. The point of the Hellion aren't to take on the Hydra head-on, they are to use their speed and harass the Zerg base to keep the hydras for use as defense and not offense. Delaying them enough to get enough Medi+Marines stimmed with some tank support. This ultimately would force the Zerg to use their mins in defensive structures or keeping hydra's behind, either way keeping them occupied in their base. To me, I see the zerg being most susceptible to M+M (Not so much marauder as I'd rather spend the gas on tanks/vikes), with tank and viking support. That's what I'm going to be focusing on if I get into the Beta. I'm curious how do vikings fare against hydra's? 2 Port + addon viking might seriously hurt the zerg by crippling his supply. | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
On September 04 2009 03:20 Aegraen wrote:The point of the Hellion aren't to take on the Hydra head-on, they are to use their speed and harass the Zerg base to keep the hydras for use as defense and not offense. Delaying them enough to get enough Medi+Marines stimmed with some tank support. This ultimately would force the Zerg to use their mins in defensive structures or keeping hydra's behind, either way keeping them occupied in their base. That may not be the point, but with equal or even slightly lower numbers, it works. Don't forget that Factories also have Reactors. On September 04 2009 03:20 Aegraen wrote:To me, I see the zerg being most susceptible to M+M (Not so much marauder as I'd rather spend the gas on tanks/vikes), with tank and viking support. That's what I'm going to be focusing on if I get into the Beta. I'm curious to see how that turns out. Most Terrans (of the seven or so) I faced either went marine heavy, sometimes with tank support, or hellion heavy. Hellion heavy worked better, but then again I didn't realize roaches were meant to counter hellions. After I learned that, I ended up only facing Protoss, with a couple Zerg matches here and there, so I never got to test it. On September 04 2009 03:20 Aegraen wrote:I'm curious how do vikings fare against hydra's? 2 Port + addon viking might seriously hurt the zerg by crippling his supply. I didn't see much viking use, and when it was used against my mutalisks, the vikings died quite quickly. If there were marines around, they had an easier time, but I was pretty much guaranteed to come ahead against a few unsupported vikings with a group of mutalisks. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On September 04 2009 04:03 Shadowfury333 wrote: That may not be the point, but with equal or even slightly lower numbers, it works. Don't forget that Factories also have Reactors. I'm curious to see how that turns out. Most Terrans (of the seven or so) I faced either went marine heavy, sometimes with tank support, or hellion heavy. Hellion heavy worked better, but then again I didn't realize roaches were meant to counter hellions. After I learned that, I ended up only facing Protoss, with a couple Zerg matches here and there, so I never got to test it. I didn't see much viking use, and when it was used against my mutalisks, the vikings died quite quickly. If there were marines around, they had an easier time, but I was pretty much guaranteed to come ahead against a few unsupported vikings with a group of mutalisks. Of course a group of muta's will defeat a few of any thing. Equal numbers favor the viking especially with their ridiculous 10 range. Anyways, all speculation, BETA is taking way too long to get released... | ||
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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/portals.php?show=page&name=starcraft-2-elegy-zerg-at-blizzcon-2009 | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On September 05 2009 08:14 Jobbies wrote: Another member of Gamereplays released another article on Zerg, don't think we had anyone who actually played Terran or Toss :S http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/portals.php?show=page&name=starcraft-2-elegy-zerg-at-blizzcon-2009 We did, they just haven't written stuff up yet. | ||
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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
On September 05 2009 08:19 Kennigit wrote: We did, they just haven't written stuff up yet. Good :D Looking forward to reading about Terran myself. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15302 Posts
On September 05 2009 08:14 Jobbies wrote: Another member of Gamereplays released another article on Zerg, don't think we had anyone who actually played Terran or Toss :S http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/portals.php?show=page&name=starcraft-2-elegy-zerg-at-blizzcon-2009 This one really good, you can tell the guy knows what's up. Agree with most of what he writes. Too bad for him he mostly played scrubs :-( Oh wait it's you right? Good job on the article. Next time say hi to the TL nerds and get foes, not victims :-) | ||
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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
On September 05 2009 09:08 zatic wrote: This one really good, you can tell the guy knows what's up. Agree with most of what he writes. Too bad for him he mostly played scrubs :-( Oh wait it's you right? Good job on the article. Next time say hi to the TL nerds and get foes, not victims :-) No it wasn't me there playing SC2 at BlizzCon unfortunately lol! Wihs I could have gone, Scotland's too far away. The gamereplays system has a thing where whoever posts the content, not necessarily writes it, it will say "by *content posters name*" so that's why my name appears. It was by a guy called Elegy who's a member on Gamereplays. I'll forward him to you post though, he'll be pleased with that response  . | ||
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